>However, insiders tell THR that the move was to placate James Cameron, Fox’s most important filmmaker, and his concerns for his movie, Alita: Battle Angel. According to one source, Cameron felt Alita would lose horribly when facing a December opening weekend that included Aquaman and Bumblebee, with Mary Poppins Returns opening up two days earlier. He wanted his expensive movie shifted. Stacey Snider, according to this source, obliged, giving Alita the February date and moving Dark Phoenix to June. “Emma, Hutch and Simon begged her not do it,” says this source.
I don't understand. They swapped movies because? What?
Daniel Peterson
>Pulls a power play to benefit his movie at the expense of sinking the finale of a long-running franchise. >Succeeds. How can one man be so based?
Nathaniel Sullivan
Jimbo destroying capeshit one flick at a time
Joshua Wood
How can he be so based?
William Lopez
>please believe my uncle who works at Nintendo!!!!!!
Jonathan Howard
Can't flim flam the Jim Cam
Jordan Thompson
And when Avatar 2 comes through with its 25D technology, it'll make trillions and capeshitters will all an hero
Cameron is an unsung hero
James Hernandez
No, capeshitfag
Kayden Morales
They swapped release dates to make sure Alita had a decent box office and fucked over Dark Phoenix
Lucas Hall
Jim was a visionary and knew Alita would suffer against Aquaman in December 2018, so he asked for Alita to be released in February, which was Dark Phoenix original release date, so they postponed Dark Phoenix
Luis Hall
Be real. If it was as good as Days of Future Past, any release date would have made it a hit. It was just irredeemably bad, Cameron knew it so he had them postpone it in favor of his own less shit movie.
Jose Phillips
OK, I havent seen Aliita but glad to see capeshit suffer.
Lincoln Collins
Everyone already knew it was going to be shit considering it had Sophie Turner in the main role, but after the trailer was released, it was clear that the final results were much, much worse than initially anticipated. Then all the reshoots news came through, and the JUST was complete. Even the most die-hard capeshitters detested Dark Phoenix
Josiah Moore
HOW
Bentley Lee
If only Alita bombed as hard as it deserved, that would be a win win
Brayden Morgan
This.
It's a movie, not fucking produce.
Levi Hill
Dark Phoenix was garbage from the start though
Andrew Anderson
>making a big franchise capeshit movie flop just to push his waifubait anime adaptation BASED
Aiden Evans
Washed up hack
Noah Wright
Alita flopped anyway. It didn't do as bad as naysayers predicted but there's no way it covered all production and marketing expenses
they should've just made a Space Mbadi movie instead of big eyes girl flic
Sebastian Sullivan
who cares both were shit. if any alitards are still here have sex
John Foster
they were gonna reboot it anyway dumbass
Cooper Russell
It didn't matter which movie was released first because they were both horrible.
Elijah Green
>the finale of a long-running franchise m8, the only X-man film I ever watched was that one with the fucking frog and the black women throwing him off a tower. It's now been 17 years since I saw that, are you really telling me this is the actual finale? I don't even know a fucking thing about this "franchise" but I can just tell already it's had about five "finales" and about 60 reboots just looking at how many years this shit has trundled on for.
Tyler Gray
By far the most important philosopher in Hollywood.
Destroy ? No. He just gave the MCU enough fuel to restart this shit with no problems. These box offices number are enough proof that the public is done with FOX's X-Men. Now it's time for Disney
It only needed to make 350 million to break even, and thanks to international audiences it did just that.
Brandon Allen
170m budget and only 350m?
Blake Young
Fox openly mocked Disney in Dark Phoenix and mousecucks like you are too stupid to pick up on it.
Joseph Price
Now that Disney and Cameron are on the same team can anyone stop them?
Brody Edwards
Disney and Cameron aren’t on the same team. One has integrity. The other is a soulless, rapacious corporate machine.
Leo Allen
Fox almost gave up on Avatar and he shopped Avatar to Disney, and Disney signed up, but Fox had the right to go back on their decision and got Avatar back
John Kelly
Does Cameron even have any influence anymore? Nobody cares about Avatar, Alita was a flop, Terminator will flop, and the only thing that sells anymore is MCU
Logan Gutierrez
That was a different Disney, one that came before their endless campaign of acquisitions. That Disney still had a vestige if a soul.
Jonathan Collins
>he doesn't know
Oh you sweet, sweet summer child. He's been in cahoots with Disney for years. The studio deal was just the nail in the coffin. Everyone wants to be on Team Mouse.
modest profit =/= 'flop'. Keep believing what you want though.
David Ward
I didn't see the movie yet ( I will tomorrow ) and wooooow...they took a shot...cool. As you can see it did nothing
Justin Garcia
you, sir, dont know what happens in the mango. alita 2 is going to be alita facing off against jashugan in the motorball stadium, then zapan getting his vengeance on alita in a pretty great way. gon b gud.
You're assuming that they still need to come up with ideas for sequels, as is typical for Hollywood sequels. What you fail to realize, is that James Cameron wrote a whole bible on what he wanted to see in a Alita trilogy that he's worked on for decades. So sequels would be up to the same quality as the first movie. Where are you getting those number from? Clearly it's supposed to be 2 Quintilian.
Michael Hall
edward norton and high power level alita is all I care about though
Tyler Gutierrez
>>/trash/
Easton Barnes
It's a big investment for negligible and unsure profit so the big budget sequel is not happening and buget alita 2 is going to be a shit. No sequel is better.
You mean everyone wants jimbo on his team. Its little Bob iger who came begging to borrow Jim's IP, they couldn't stand not having any represantation for the highest grossing movie ever in their little park
Aaron Cook
>tfw Dr. Alita M.D. will never give you a prostate exam
Noah Flores
I know what happens in the manga (except last order) and there is no way they are going to make justice to the source material. Alita movie was unexpectedly great, sequel is going to be shit, no sequel is better. I just want the bluray to release.
Austin Lewis
>kills xmen >holding steady against endgame what the fuck is his problem
since when is releasing a superhero movie in the summer fucking it over
Sebastian Brooks
>prostate shit yuck
Aiden Hall
don't question cope
Elijah Gutierrez
News flash buddy. That means both movies sucked dick and the director with more street cred got to choose which one would die a more horrible death.
If DP was any good, it wouldn't matter when it gets released because it would do well. It certainly had enough marketing behind it.
You think Endgame gave a shit when it came out? They knew it would sell whenever they decided to release it and all the other movies would have to watch the fuck out instead.
Leo Davis
seriously, don't most big budget action movies fight over summer release dates? Even if Alita wasn't an issue, DP not doing well falls squarely on it. It's hard to fight the Mouse but it's not like DP had to go up against CM AND Endgame like Alita did. and ourgirl survived lol. Sorry X-Men, I like you but you can't blame JC for arguably pushing you into a better release date as a bad thing.
hi is this the thread where we act like mentally deranged cultists
Jaxon Gonzalez
>since when is releasing a superhero movie in the summer fucking it over Since Avengers Endgame and Aladdin were released in the summer. One being the biggest movie ever hyped in forever, and the other a nostalgia movie to bait nostalgiafags.
Just look at Godzilla and Detective Pikachu, they were both massacred. Even Secret Life of Pets 2 took a small hit. Releasing ANY movie this summer is a bad idea unless the budget is really really small. The reason Aquaman was even successful was because it was released at Christmas with nothing but Mary Poppins to compete against.
Logan Fisher
>act like
Owen Lewis
Absolutely based Cameron putting capeshitters in their place. I can't wait for Avatar 2 to break all box office records.
>mentally deranged cultists I see you're talking about the criminally retarded sneedposters. well I guess when Disney is pushing something as hard as Endgame all other movies should just hunker down and not release until the beast has done its work.
If Fox said break-even was $350M, any other figures are pure speculation especially when they're coming from rival studios who want to push the narrative that Alita didn't do well
Ryder Jones
wow alitards really are stupid
Noah Diaz
Dark Phoenix fucked over Dark Phoenix.
Jason Scott
You dumb nigger they only needed 350 million to break even, and it's already made close 500 million. You can try to pull whatever convoluted flaky logic and math you want out of your ass, it doesn't change the fact that the movie didn't flop.
Tyler Gomez
Literally nobody mentioned CM anywhere in this thread and now you're going on about her being a literal goddess out of nowhere like a crazy person
Jaxon Wilson
disney shills are just mentally ill
David Murphy
>closs to 500m slow down there pedo that is nowhere near close to 500m. it would be more appropriate to say it barely made over 400m.
>Yea Forums was so threatened by a harmless general that they whined and spammed us long enough to get us pushed off kinda just makes you look like a bitch
>can't deny it so I'll resort to insults great work user
Aiden Perry
Dark Pheonix is a so-so movie. Certainly been better X-Men movies, but there's been some worse ones too. Nothing special or memorable about it, other then Raven getting shish-kabobed.
Charles Sanders
pretty much this; not horrible, not incredible. Maybe I unfairly compare everything to Logan but it's hard not to.
Ayden Miller
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I'm going to wait until there are actual reviews before I say something stupid like that
Lucas Lewis
>James Cameron net worth: $700M How the fuck has he managed to hold on to so much wealth through 4 divorces? You'd think he'd be thoroughly JUSTed at this point.
Why does Yea Forums also think the advertising budget of films is like twice the fucking production budget? Do you think the studios are hiring supermodels to go to every single home to talk people into see the movie?
Chase Adams
>me jerking it to some loli looking robot says more about you, really
Austin Moore
>Since Avengers Endgame and Aladdin were released in the summer Its not even summer yet. Endgame was released 2 weeks into Spring.
Zachary Diaz
Because they all get all clammy whenever they see and are around children, so when they see some people like someone/thing that looks vaguely young to them they just scream pedo. Because that't the feeling they get.
Which it totally fucking absurd, but hey. Autists man, what can you do?
probably nothing, no funny biz here, move along citizen, don't forget your Mickey ears hat.
Aiden Fisher
I'd advise you watch the movie first before asking a question like that
Zachary Rogers
he wasn't 'obsessed' enough to focus on it after the first Avatar so idk what your point is. He handed it off to Robert and produced. Why is he so obsessed with Avatar, is the better question.
why couldn't he just retire gracefully a couple of years ago?
Mason Baker
Uh why would he ever do that
Evan Sullivan
you guys are worse than the community fan base back in its hey day. invading polls to beat the big bang theory.
Evan Bennett
most of the people in the generals here don't use twitter. Blame Chinese audiences. Also, who cares if a show beats out something dull like BBT?
Jayden Adams
who cares both the movies sucked anyway.
Anthony Reyes
its cringy to show how much you are obsessed with something. you ever heard of hiding your power level?
Josiah Garcia
If BBT and CM fans cared enough to do a poll then they should have no problem winning because of more people watched them. But they don't really care at all.
Jaxon Morales
What do power levels have anything to do with answering a poll
Carson Baker
I support myself and do my own thing. Why should I be embarrassed about an interest? I don't base my identity around it like bronies did. I talk about it online. You sound like a very weak willed person to care that much about what others think.
Joshua Cruz
I thought February was the movie graveyard and June was when the summer blockbusters started coming out. Sounds like both sides wanted their awful movie forgotten.
Luke Barnes
I'm pretty sure Deadpool was released on Valentine's Day
Hunter Walker
As if this is a bad release time. This is just the X-Men's "Solo" moment. After unimpressive X-Men movies, and plagued by delays and re-shoots, there was no saving this movie. It might not be the worst X-Men movie - might be - but it was already super-delayed. And letting it go up against Captain Marvel and Engame wouldn't have been any better, surely?
if DP went up against CM or Endgame it probably would be even more bleak. Alita was stronger and endured both + little positive PR
Nicholas Long
>The Last Jedi is not well-liked, Solo flops >Age of Apocalypse is not well-liked, DP flops people are surprised
Jason Sanders
Dark Phoenix would need to come out in either October or just about now to avoid getting BTFO'd by Aquaman, Captain Marvel, Shazam! and Endgame. Granted, Shazam! did less than expected, but programming Dark Phoenix against any of those would have been asking for disaster. It probably didn't help that Sophie Turner let herself get baited into attacking fans for the GoT petition, and neither did the "X-women" stuff help, but I think they have the same problem as DC had with their ensemble films: Not enough build-up of the characters. Dark Phoenix is a too compressed and alien-diffused version of the Jean Grey story anyway. >Yea Forums turns out to be right about something Ultrashock!
Charles Gomez
>both solo and DP have terrible trailers >both flop
Eli Garcia
Absolutely based
Ryan Collins
The Last Jedi was generally well liked. Leave your fucking basement.
Brayden Torres
It's like futurama, it just keeps ending.
Charles Morris
A 44% audience score means it's well-liked?
Zachary James
>The Last Jedi was generally well liked. I think you need to leave your office.
This one was pretty good. (If somewhat deceptive about a crew being put together.) youtube.com/watch?v=dNW0B0HsvVs The main problems with both movies were the re-shoots. And both movies being seen as unnecessary by many of the the core audience, since the previous ones were so bad. It was not "generally well liked". Word of mouth and audience reactions were very divided. Keep in mind, most Star Wars audiences avoid spoilers, so you won't see the big box office reaction to a bad movie until the next one comes out. (Except re-watchers failed to turn up for TLJ, giving a huge drop.)
William Ward
never knew her dad was a peruANO her mom got INDIO"D
Aiden Lee
Alita fans on Twitter are setting up an IMAX screening in Germany. I've never seen this sort of thing before. This is what happens when rich boomers get obsessed with a movie. They really found the peak USD per seat demographic with this movie.
Luis Peterson
So you retards didn't even see what the webm that was posted?
Camden Morgan
Its already been done in China and Norway for Alita, multiple time's in china to be correct. And they have made so much Alita themed "fan merch". And someone even themed their wedding around Alita.
Let's not fucking pretend Dark Phoenix isn't unwatchable trash.
Jackson Cook
It means it got review bombed by incels. We've been over this.
Carson Russell
who cares? the proliferation of capeshit has fucked dark phoenix over, and you know it. It's like the video game crash, at some people people just stop caring when you continue to shovel shit in their mouth.
Why did everyone try to kill Alita anyway? Didn't anyone stop to think it might be a bad idea to mess with the cyborg whose heart is essentially an anti-matter reactor?
Samuel Foster
There is probably a combination of antimatter generation and its immediate annihilation. Only single antimatter atoms are in the heart at a time.
Carter King
her heart would still be valuable.
Thomas Parker
Dark Phoenix biggest rival was Secret Life of Pets 2. SERIOUSLY NIGGER
Nolan Long
It “flopped” in the US but was a success overseas and in merchandising. Especially in China, they even fucking have Alita-themed wedding
Ryan James
They were playing hot potato with the summer release date because neither Cameron nor Kinberg wanted their shitpile to be publically humiliated. But Cameron had more clout, so Alita got to die quietly, but now everyone is dogpiling on Dark Phoenix, and aware of what a disaster it was. This could just as easily be Alita getting this treatment.
Evan Green
>no way they are going to make justice to the source materia All that happens next in the style of Western cinema. Joshugan/Zapan arc easily becomes a film. The cannon arc is simply too bulky for one movie.
Kek I remember this pic and box office “experts” backpedaling each week
Sebastian Young
Based Bay
Juan Clark
It might have more to do with the merchandising deals for Alita which were already running. There were Funko Pops already in stores, AriZona tea, burger chain and the Alita Experience that were already planned. But then Alita got delayed because they had to make Alita's eyes bigger. The Funko Pops were so early in the stores that some stores started putting them on clearance sales because nobody knew what those things were. That's one reason why Alita might not be good to delay to June. In retrospect, Alita was a better movie than Dark Phoenix, so maybe they should have just let Dark Phoenix go up against Captain Marvel and let Alita come out with John Wick and Godzilla.
Jacob Nguyen
But Detective Pikachu and John Wick where the reasons Endgame can’t beat Abatap
Kayden Morales
What does being an incel have anything to do with not liking a movie and if the movie is actually popular then why can't it offset a small group of trolls
Brandon Butler
>Alita >die quietly oho you'd like that wouldn't you
Jeremiah Nelson
>boomers The youngest boomers are like 55 now, I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about
Bentley Gray
Sure.
Well, they own it all, now.
Dylan Gonzalez
Disney doesn't own Avatar or Alita, they just have distribution rights
Jackson Wilson
What a fucking badass.
Anthony Perez
I think they own Avatar, but not Alita Baby boomers are even older than that, but "boomer" is now used by some people to refer to anyone over 30.
Isaiah Morales
What's a great film about a bunch of autistic ugly faggots getting their homosexual aids general nuked to shit so they have to move to the /trash/bin to act like bronies?
>James Cameron DESTROY'S Dark Phoenix's Box Office For Alita Fixed for ya OP
Kayden Jones
>Cop calling Sneed poster trying to flex Cringe.
Thomas Sanchez
No, they own an actual share of the license itself (how much is debatable). Fox had it all, but gave up some of it, because of the high stakes.
>With Ingenious on board, Fox had lowered its exposure to less than half of Avatar's $237 million budget. "We consider all filmmaking a dangerous game," says Murdoch. "And we always lay off [risk] to the film funds when we can. This time we laid off more than usual. But we own much of the distribution and other rights. In the end, we will make much more money than them." In October 2006, Fox agreed to make Avatar. Cameron says he still isn't quite sure why Fox finally jumped aboard but recalls studio executives saying: "We don't get the giant blue guys with the tails, but we believe in you and want to do this movie with you." Months earlier, Cameron had put a traffic light outside Landau's office. After Fox said yes, they switched it from amber to green
lmao cry more to the pedomod ya worked bootlicker.
Daniel Jenkins
The worst part about alita was the screenplay.
Austin Perez
Movie investment can come from lots of different sources, but the financing partner that Fox has been using in later years is The Seelig Group (TSG). Chip Seelig, and American and Chinese investment firms provide the money for that company. Which means Alita - and likely Dark Phoenix - had significant Chinese investment money in them. I've also heard claims that TSG believed in Alita as a franchise, so much that if the movie lost money, they would cover the losses as long as they would get the rights to make sequels. So Chip Seelig, David Valdes and China's Polybona Films might have more influence over an Alita sequel than Disney has.
Logan Sanders
This is true.
Christopher Morgan
I don't have to because you faggots are BANNED FROM Yea Forums. Threads like these are the closest you'll get to posting your cringey ass healz XDDD alita a cute XDDD kissu XDDD shit ever again. Suck a fucking dick faggot.
Gavin Brooks
>all this sperging out Have sex
Joseph Gonzalez
I used to get to sperg out in your autism generals but now you are exiled to the /trash/can... I don't even have anyone to mock anymore :^(
Adam Hill
Based
Dylan Smith
I have no idea about Alita. I'm specifically referring to Avatar. If you notice any time Avatar merch deals are worked out for example, you'll usually see Fox and Lightfoot names both pop up (Cameron's production company). They each have a slice of the actual copyright.
Jayden Richardson
>You miss complaining about generals so much that you turn normal threads into generals Yaweh!
James Wood
Dark Phoenix look like a tv-show.
Grayson Johnson
You guys are just particularly fucking horrible t b h
Nathan Wright
Absolutely based. Fuck alitacels
Cooper Thomas
>Destroys Spiderman: Into the spiderverse, Shazam!, Dumbo, US , Solo and Hellboy in the Box Office >LITERALLY destroys Dark Phoenix
In defense of that terrible community, the new jannies are pretty awful at actually following the rules they're supposed to be enforcing. I think most of the old mods are either tired of this place or left like moot. So, no one is watching the kids.
Samuel Gomez
Arguing about jannies, generals, /soc/ and shitposts rather than talking about movie stuff is what got banned most of all. Generals are nice to contain a topic, but not for unrelated bullshit.
Not anymore. Deadpool came out in February, venom in october, marvel has done multiple november releases. They're all over the place. And spreading them out seems to work best so they don't compete. February gave Dark Phoenix the most breathing room it was the best chance for it.
Zachary Morales
>Three weeks before Captain Marvel would be more breathing room than seven weeks after Endgame Suuuuuure
Blake Butler
>you faggots are BANNED FROM Yea Forums >still here
Keep crying
Jackson Perry
That's how butthurt the pedomod and his legion of disney moms are.
