What would you realistically do in this situation?

They are good against lightly armored foot troops that would be fielded in essos (they got stomped by unsullied in a tight shield wall)

They aren't even the best horsemen in A Song of Ice and Fire

the dothraki was raping their butts

I wouldn't have marched off to another Lannister war in the first place

not until the dragon

Based

at the very least it would have been a tough fight for them, the dragon is the one that broke the line, not the dothraki

>the Dothraki alone wouldve still won
Casual reminder, dragons are nuke equivalents.
Battle was decided the moment a dragon was involved.

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this, dothraki are no match for the lords of westeros, bobby b was just gas lighting out of excitement

Imagine prime Bobby defeating all those dothraki shits. Gods he was so strong then.

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Their lines are spread too thin for a proper formation, this is stated just before the battle by Randyl Tarly. Even without the dragon, the Dothraki would have rolled over them.

Imagine just 2,000 Westeroes Knights on armoured warhorse with lance vs that mass of light cavalry that the Dothraki had.
Not to mention Knights are disciplined enough to keep a wedge formation and just plow through enemy lines picking off riders one by one while Dothraki fight for themself. The unsullied even broken them with well manned Phalanx.

The Dothraki are strong in Essos because Essos has weaker Armies on average compared to Knights of Westeros.

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makes you wonder why westeros has never tried to take over essos despite essos attempting the same on several occasions

Unless that unarmored and unsaddled rider was shot by one of those arrows that kept just missing her for dramatic effect.
>Have scouts so I don’t get taken unawares again like I learned not to do when I got captured by a 14 year old boy because I thought I was untouchable
>more than one fucking rank of spearmanii
>archers and ballista focus firing Dany

Well, according to season 8 Jaime is a scumbag, so I would've just ran off back to Cersei.

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when did essos try that shit? And isn't essos just a bunch of independent cities

According to season 8 Jamie and tarly sacked and destroyed the reach so badly that everyone in the most populous region either left or died

Not very strongly united.
One neat aspect of worldbuilding was all the proposals for things. Like a Summer Islander Prince that stayed in the Red Keep that wanted Bobby to press his claim and add another kingdom to the realm.
Or the proposals for an expansion of Kings Landing that would have been a white marble city on the opposite bank of the river.
The fact that the Wildlings exist should be a testament to how decentralized and lazy/unambitious the realm is

had the High Sparrow won he would have recaptured the Andal holy land

>Fighting Braavos and Pentos
>At sea
>Over a shithole like Andalos
Yeah, that's a no

Charge the dragon on horseback like a real man

Do a 360 and walk away

it was when real kings ruled.
Daemon should of overthrown those targ shits

Let the dragon swallow me alive

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>vorefags

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>does a 360
>walks away
>360

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welcome

>dragons are nuke equivalents
So you're saying Dany deserved death?

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nets dont fly well
throw some bolas

stand in shallow water, thus making me immune to the dragonfire

because it's hot, literally

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The best possible move in this situation is to have all of your men break formation and meet the Dothraki head on in order to prevent the Dragon from attacking via friendly fire.

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I've put a ton of thought into this. I would have used the wagons as natural barriers and had my infantry fill the gaps. Use the wagons to funnel the dothraki into the spears. Have archers lined up in the rear and fire volleys at the dragon as it swoops down

R8 my strategy bros

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just because my waifu weighs two tons and has serrated teeth doesn't mean I'm any more degenerate than the rest of this shithole website

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Forgot add, out the infantry BEHIND the wagons obviously. Never understood why they formed shield wall in front of it, when they could have used it to their advantage

eh if dragons were out of the picture then yeah but seeing as they are this plan is just as dumb as Jaime's.
But realistically, it;s not a winning situation
And the goal is to protect the wagons

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not half bad except the dragon still being impossible to stop, the dragon on it's own could wipe the army since only one scorpion is there and it was the smaller one before it got upgraded by Qyburn

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As a person, go AWOL and try to run. As a leader, keep my army fighting long enough for me to run away.

gun

They were perhaps trained to do that for bandits, to protect the wagons and easily defeat the attackers

Run. Honor is great and all but there’s nothing admirable about charging into certain death

Has nobody heard of a vanguard or some sort of reconnaissance in GOT? Pure incompetence to be surprised like this.

Anyway, what you would have to do is have a unit hold them off long enough for the rest of the train to arrive. Then maybe you can take on their army. But being ambushed while on the march youre pretty much fucked.

oc
seems too long to implement since the Lannister force only had minutes to prepare, itt wasn't a full ambush since they saw and heard them coming down that steep hill but it was still a terrible place to engage light cavalry with footsoldiers

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>pure incompetence to be surprised like this.
While you are right the Dothraki had yet to be spotted on mainland Westeroes, only the Unsullied. With some better planning it could have gone better.

I was an extra on the lannister side for the filming on location, so I can offer an insider's perspective.
Lots of what was planned, carried out and filmed was cut or just isn't visible in the battle scene.
We were defending the line for a while, supposed to be fighting off the first dothraki on horses, with them only breaking through in some places, such as where the dragon fire made a hole in the ranks.
Over time and more dragon attacks, it devolved into a disordered skirmish, small fights all over with dothraki mostly on foot as far as the ones we were fighting with.
The fighting in this form went on for quite a bit
longer than you see, was more of a battle than an outright massacre, but they edited it to be very one sided. The lannisters were always destined to lose, it was a small tail end of a tired army just coming from a battle, against a fresh full army and a dragon, but the lannisters at least had some fight in them.
With more dragon fire, a small portion of the lannisters ran into the countryside, and then after a while, a great deal more fled in several directions. The ones you see as prisoners are some of those but not all of those who lived.

The best formation against the dothraki would have been a square with rows of alternating spearmen and shield/sword guys, with the centre being occupied by all the archers. That way a lot more dothraki would be taken out, mostly by arrows while stuck on the outside or even blocked by their own fellow dothrakis.
The problem was that even if they had done that, a single dragon attack would take out a quarter of them perhaps, at least disabling that many.
Had Jaime seen the dragon, he would have ordered them to divide/break ranks and form several smaller squares.
The extras were trained for a couple of weeks by a military advisor on making formations, marching and so on, so if extras can do it, a roman-style lannister army could.They'd have been trained to do it for years, and to do it very quickly.

you can't outrun horses on foot

Charge the dragon.
They will be so baffled by this it gives me a chance of taking them by surprise.

If a pursuing force has superior mobility, one thing you can do is split up your army into several groups, and travel down a given path in a staggered manner. And actual armies did do this, with things like a Rearguard following up the Baggage Train, who'd been in the middle.

Riders would be frequently traveling in between the groups to provide updates, and if riders stopped coming you could then assume something was wrong.

If a pursuing army finds and engages one group, they immediately put themselves at risk of being flanked or enveloped by other groups along the path of travel.

You could have several Cavalry detachments with each group of soldiers along the path. Once the updates stop coming, these immediately act, driving towards which ever section isn't responding.

If Dany's dothraki were fucking up the Middle group, they'd be engaged with army. If they're not careful, they could taken in the rear by the Response Cavalry, Hammer and Anvil style.

based, thank you for returning us again extra lannister poster

if anyone doubt's this guys authenticity here's the archived linked
archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/114302520/#114324320

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It would be impossible for that many horses and men to arrive and unload, gear up and travel across the land without having been spotted by some farmers, hunters, scouts and so on.
One raven to the right place and dozens more ravens would be sent out, one right away to Jaime, who would either not split the army and set up a quick temporary fort or move into woodland or rocky/hilly areas where horses and dragons have trouble, or set an appropriate ambush with the full army and not just 10% of it.

Nah. The Lannisters all had pikes. Their horses would have danced around like retards while the dothraki riders took hits. Only reason they won was Dany decimating their lines.

>Unarmored cavalry charges into a spearwall
>Winning
Hahahaha

fpbp

this episode was peak GoT, only went downhill from here

based serviceman

I take it you're a bookchad.

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Dany doesn’t even have armor

I'd also perhaps gather the square or some of the smaller squares around the scorpion wagon as soon as the dragon was spotted. They had brought it along for that very purpose, so it would be instinctive to think to use it immediately.
It wasn't far, they could move in a shifting defensive formation towards it from both directions, they moved in real time in a matter of 30 seconds or so from idling around in the camp to being in an ordered triple line, so it isn't far fetched.

We had to practise the forming the line the most out of anything, to make it good, accurate, well spaced and fast.
So we were being timed.

Cringe

You're welcome lannister countryman. I like talking about it, discussing it. Us lannisters/tarlys were talking about it during filming sometimes.

>square formation against a dragon

>If Dany's dothraki were fucking up the Middle group, they'd be engaged with army
*they'd be engaged with that group of soldiers

This, formations aren't going to do shit again a dragon, just get more killed faster. Better to split the army up while traveling.

>one raven right away to Jaime
Ravens only get sent to castles, it would have to have reached Highgarden then by Horse for it to reach Jaime's force. Not impossible but unlikely.

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Makes sense.
Communication is quite well or perhaps overly established in GoT, so there is no reason for this not to be the case.
It seemed odd that Jaime had stuck with the grain wagons at the back and the stragglers while 90% of the army went on.

but she's on a dragon's back, only when she's dive bombing for speed should she be concerned

>Their horses would have danced around like retards
pew pew

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Who would be fighting for the fucking lannisters at that point, just fucking go AWOL when they want to march you on another pointless war against their countrymen, while you're starving and poor and your city has fallen into chaos

>seemed odd that Jaime had stuck with the grain wagons
>while 90% of the army went on.
they were rightfully more concerned with the gold arriving at King's Landing

You can't really see it in the finished thing, but there were also some extra long/thick pikes with lannister and tarly banners on them. They would have made a difference. You can see some of them in the sides of the wagons.

Its dumb that Jaime, Bronn, Dickon and the other Tarly were all at the back. They're carrying a ton of gold and just trusting their soldiers not to pocket anything.

The Lannisters also had archers shooting back though, it would have been back and forth.

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Maybe you should watch the scene again, arrows are whizzing past her head constantly

Re-read what I wrote, square would be the first reaction to seeing a proper army approaching, line only makes sense against bandits. I gave a suggestion to what they could do once they spotted the dragon.
They'd never win anyway, unless they had a lucky shot at kaleesi with an arrow, or killed the dragon with the scorpion and it demoralised the dothraki.

horses are strong and fast desu.

A mob of angry peasants killed like 4 dragons in the pits.
Focused archer fire could do the job just fine

Cool image, hadn't seen it before.
We filmed a short clip for a promo that I've still never seen, it was a view of a burnt out wagon with an ashy body lying in front of it. It's a low shot with ash falling.
Horses running across from one direction, while a handful of lannisters run from the other direction,you only see their legs.
Would be cool if anyone could find that, as I was one of the pairs of legs.
The grey bearded gandalf guy, who I think was head of photography or a producer, Englishman, filmed it and set it up one morning.

but the gold had already gone on ahead, according to Jaime.

>2 lines of spears
lel a few impaled riders would wreck that formation quick. spear won't negate the momentum of 500+kg bags of meat and bones moving at galloping speed from hitting them like a train, howerver dead the critter will be

Thoughts?

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poop pants

>used the wagons as natural barriers and had my infantry fill the gaps

i actually like this idea. maybe fill the gaps with deeper formation. with no dragon I think this would have worked. have archers fire volleys from the rear as dothraki approach

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I wouldn't be there in the first place. They all deserved to burn

Set up a lot of caltrops and give the line of archers freedom to fire at will behind a line of pikes and use heavy cavalry to both funnel and cover from the sides.

Jorah VA kino
youtube.com/watch?v=nhc283pXcjQ

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The archers were about 1/6th of the lannisters, so there would have been a fair few hundred in total.
What someone pointed out while we were filming was that the Tarly's shield/banner was of archers, but that the tarlys had no archers present. You could say that they had gone on ahead, but surely they'd want to protect their lord.

Most of those were pretty great, only ones I didn’t like were Euron because of his dumb accent

Charge at the dragon like an idiot, obviously

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Hisotircally, the dead horses lying around after the first wave created fairly good obstacles to make life difficult for the rest of the cavalry. Even soft/muddy ground was a threat to a cavalry charge. The dothraki were lucky it was winter.

The Tarly sigil is a huntsman. They hunt frequently.
It doesn’t mean their army specializes in archery.

>he requires human machinery to maim his dragons

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>Lannister's banner is a lion
>no lions in their army
wtf Martin?

There were lions, until Tyrion left.

>Bolton's banner is a flayed man
>they don't have flayed men in their army
wtf Martin?

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They did, didn't you see them on the battlefield when he faced Jon?

I mean fighting, I thought that image made that joke clear enough.

Shit my pants, but probably try and stay in the line as long as there was one. I'm going to die if I run or not, might as well try

Take out as many of the fuckers as you can before you go down. That's the only waya to die with honor

As soon as the formation broke I'd be running like fuck to the water, or surrendering at the first opportunity.

Could you imaging the terror you'd be feeling?
Can you imagine being in 1400 holding a wooden board and a pointy stick and you see a B17 with a flamethrower stuka-bombing your mates with napalm?

okay fair point, fuck Dany and fuck war too, the common soldier get's fuck so hard in feudalism

Shouldn't have marched to another fucking lannister war against your own countrymen, should've taken a hint to gtfo when your queen did 911 on your own city and you've been poor and starving for a year

>Can't hide in Canada because the ice zombies are fucking invading

There's a story in Clash of Kings (I believe) about how they rushed a smaller force of Unsullied and got fucking walloped. The Dothraki are only good at one thing and when it doesn't work they have no idea how to adapt. All they do is rush down herders and farmers and each other. At one point Daenarys asks why they don't go attack places farther east, and the answer she gets is that raiding "lamb men" is simply easier.
I have no idea where the meme that Dothraki are such amazing fighters comes from.

If I had the chance to charge Dany down I would have done it.

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I agree, he should've died in that scene, if you argue otherwise you're arguing in favor of marvel tier plot armor

I was assuming I wouldn't be noble enough to have a horse.
And honestly, if I did, good chance I'd run away with it.

It's hard to make any judgement on "I'd do X" since you really don't know. Maybe you would. I know if I'd been in the Wermacht and I was put on execution duty I definitely wouldn't have tried to stop it going on, even if I couldn't bring myself to take part.

>story in Clash of Kings (I believe) about how they rushed a smaller force of Unsullied and got fucking walloped.
correct, see

No but you can hide in mexico and hope for the best

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>tfw bringing a dragon to a spearfight

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RULES OF NATURE
youtube.com/watch?v=N3472Q6kvg0

If the Dothraki were more like the actual mongols maybe. They had plans and tactics and knew how to make the best use of their mobility. The dothraki are a bunch of screaming retards that just charge blindly into enemy spear walls.

>what would you realistically do in this situation involving being attacked by dragons?

suspend your disbelief, it's sci-fi

dunno, have a final wank maybe? I can't believe I'd be the only one

>it's sci-fi

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it is, I will post the neccesary videos and images if you nee me to

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>he actually has no idea
lmaoing so hard rn

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>big brain got theories.jpg

no need user everywhere's downhill from here

Ask Jaime if he ever got his sister to call him 'Oniichan' during sex.
I'm gonna die anyway, might as well have some fun.

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Best thing you could realistically do is probably drop your armor and jump in the lake. Try to swim away and dive under if it gets close to you.

>implying that's not part of the joke

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most peasants and knights couldn't swim, only sailors, marines, and fisherman were reliably swimmers in medieval times

did you cum on emilias feet?

I'm not into vore but these are hot.

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when the Targeryans rode over on fucking dragons and took it over

I didn't remember it being that bad. 25,000 mounted units losing to only 3,000 non-mounted units is complete insanity. Cavlary should cut down footed infantry, the entire Persian empire for one was literally built on the simple fact that the Persians had way more cavalry than other nations.

I'd take my chances compared to being run down by savages when the line breaks. Realistically you only need to survive until the dothraki are called off and you can surrender

that doesn't count as essos.

Anceint Historians are never to be trusted for ancients numbers as they always inflate enemy numbers and deflate their own to make victories seem far more grand, same thing with Westeri Maesters, especially with tales of the East.

Also, the Dothraki have no skill in sieging as far as we know so their only tactics are charge until they win so they have to get to the gate first and use a simple ram off a tree. If I had to guess how Qohor won it would be by using the walls lined with archers, making pits and trenches filled with wood in the night or atleast stakes to stop entrapment on the sides, and then rotating the Unsullied from the ones in the back like the Romans did with thier Legions.
Most of this is moot though since we've just heard they won not exactly how, and that Unsullied are disciplined enough to hold their ground against charge horses.

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Maesters aren’t suspected of rewriting or making eastern history sound grand, they’re the skeptics of events that proceeded their order.
Nor is the battle told from the perspective of maesters, or is a story that is actually supposed to have any significance at all other than showing the proficiency of Unsullied.
25,000 Dothraki charged a pike wall because “men on foot are only fit to be ridden down”

Why not?

thank you for your service

I don't mean that the maesters wrote down that history, I guess I used a poor example but I mean that battle numbers aren't to be taken into serious accounting when a battle was fought over 100 years ago.

How the fuck did Davos survive this again? Surely he should hve been set ablaze. Or was he really "reborn" as people have said he was in the books

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Full retreat until I get maesters to create firearms for my army

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While the story may have been inflated I highly doubt it was that inflated. Also, he did describe how the Unsullied won in that encounter. He claimed they kept their cool and raised their shields to deflect incoming arrows, then waited and withstood the inevitable charge, again and again.
At the same time, good analysis.

He was thrown clear. I guess the pressure wave wasn't that severe (even though every ship in the fleet was blown to splinters)

The Seven saved him

You mean the Lord of Light.

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lay down and accept my fate

This. Lighter scorpions and ballistae armed with weighted Bolas instead of bolts. Aim for the wings. Wrap the beast up and bring it down. The fall should kill if not severly wound dany, the beasty will probably have a broken leg or wing as well. This will deny the enemy or is most important asset. Without of the way any the convoy broken into a ring formation the defenders have a much better chance holding againat the dothraki who lack knoweledge in fighting armored westerosi opponents. The defenders can use polearm, ranged weapons, and even the convoy itself as defensive barriers to hold off attackers. If Dany is dead they will probably break off once word spreads leaving only the wounded dragon to dispatch at a distance with massed scorpion bolt fire. The dothraki will collapse into seprate bands and will cause havok across the countryside but that can be delt with in time.

user no.
I would literally go out fighting and curse that dragon and it's rider for all eternity. Even if I died an instant death that no one would remember me by, I would make it a death worth remembering. The survivors of the battle would tell tales of Johnny Lannister and how much of a champ he was in his final moments.

Hear me roar.

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Based veteran

The only way it could work is if he was blown under water so the wildfire couldn't touch him. Watch that webm, he was at the epicenter of that explosion.

Dont go craven user. You'll never be able to break you fast or say "mayhaps" again.

reminder that a 1000 unsullied defeated tens of thousands of dothraki in an open field