Men like art like Man of Steel, boys like flicks like Avengers

Endgame wasn't as good as Infinity War

Watchmen?

Infinity War was boring

"Men" don't like ANY of that childish capeshit cancer you dumb little faggot.

kys with this trash.

Kill yourself OP

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Kill your relatives then kill yourself.

pleb taste

1. You can't defeat the most powerful creature ever created without the assistance of a 90 pound woman.

2. Unload all you ammunition on Superman THEN use your kryptonite canisters on him after you have blown all your firepower to try and punch him to death.

Infinity War was actually good. And I don't even like superhero movies that much. It's the only capeshit to have a villain with actual screen presence and stays entertaining all throughout. Endgame ruined it though by existing.

kino

Name better hero movies. You won't because you can't.

woah so cool

Hmm, I didn't think about that. That is actually pretty smart. I guess Affleck was right after all.

>Watching hero movies.
Please don't. You deserve better.
But since you asked for "better" not "good": Defendor.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

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Unbreakable
Boy Wonder
Chronicle
X2
Raimi’s Spider-Man 2
Logan
Mask of the Phantasm
Batman v Superman
Mystery Men

I haven't seen man of steel, is it the magnum opus of capeshit?

Damn the trailer was pretty fucking kino

youtu.be/KVu3gS7iJu4

I have never met you and I hate you.

"Men" wouldn't be on Yea Forums. You're a hipster neckbeard, you're not a man.

>Endgame ends with a man and a woman in love dancing and complete a years long arc instead of set up, post credits, and hamfisted 'we're now at the familiar status quo!' that the MoS had
>contrarian autist calls it soulless

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>DUH MY CAPESHIT ART CUZ CONTWAWIAN OPINION
>UR CAPESHIT SHIT CUZ MARBEL SOI
>ABATAR GUD CUZ BASED JIM MADE LOT OF MUNEY BTFO MARVUL
>UHLEETUH GUD CUZ BASED JIM BTFO MARBEL WIT ABATAR
>MARBEL GUD CUZ DC MAKE NO MUNEY
The fucking STATE of you people.

Its all for the performative value, and there is literally no brainspace reserved for quality control.

Men like art
boys like capeshit
both of those are capeshit
being a contrarian doesn't stop you from being a faggot
and liking one shitty movie while disliking another doesn't give you good taste
oh and fuck niggers by the way

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MoS is actually a capeshit movie without normie capeshit factors. But as you know soibois go apeshit for capeshit. And that's why they still bash MoS.

You can't have soul OP
You have no father figure

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>Hulk
Fuck man. I wish they'd make movie like that more often.

batman being a fallen version of himself
lex being suckerberg like instead of le moustache twirling villain for the 8th time
the only thing stopping batman from killing supes being realising he was actually a person and not just an evil alien (badly executed, but good idea)
the warehouse scene is better than any action scene marvel has done since iron man 1

Nope. People blow it out of proportion.

No it's not. It is however better than 90% of capeshit out there.

No capeshit has ever had any soul, fucking zoomers

Box office says otherwise and have sex

STOP MY INVINCIBLE CHAD

no soul has ever had any shit, capezoomer.

Man of steel.... really?

It has been 6 years dude. When will you move on?

superman returns is the true kino, man of steel is for posers who think pretty imagery is a substitute for depth

when will you undestand that mans of steel and bvs are kino that will still be debate in 10 years till next generation call it a classic

youtube.com/watch?v=DritM-Gn7jo

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>live action videogame for kids and manchildren
>art

Nope. BvS Extended is.

Man of steel has been like the only movie I have ever wanted to walk out on. It honestly isnt that bad but god damn was I bored as fuck

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>Superman vs the elite
FTFY

>le directors cut/extended meme
I have seen both, they aren't that good either way

based.

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The power of Disney marketing. That's literally it.

>still asshurt that Marvel destroyed DC in movie gross and RT scores

AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

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>Marvel has already finished their big arc and is on like phase 20 of the universe
>DC has like 2 good movies out after all of this time
Talk about incompetence. This could have been huge with 2 massive franchises fighting for dominance, but DC just had no vision at all.

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There really wasn't even a fight. DC was never even a threat to marvel

it's incredible that despite dc/wb, spiderman/sony and xmen/fox all making movies since the 00s only one film from each franchise has been a straight up great movie

oh ignoring the raimi spidermans of course they're all kino

it could've been, if they weren't so incompetent

DC has like 5 good movies if you count Shazam and Aquaman. Im still mad they fucked up green lantern though...what a waste.

>British gentlemen in London

fix'd

Alita unironicly comes close...as does the Blade Trilogy.

the "soul" in Man of Steel is a edgy as fuck teenager that hates Superman because he does not understand what makes Superman, Superman.

>but DC just had no vision at all
It's actually the opposite. DC had a wonderful vision but soinerds didn't want anything other than MCU garbage and now DC too have hopped onto the "muh fun capeshit" wagon. I'm looking forward to joker though. But I swear to god if that turns out to be a SJW propaganda movie, I won't ever bother watch anything DC.

You bust be thinking of BvS. Batman himself just hates aliens and Zod just wanted a new planet.

Drawing a comparison between Superman and the use of drones in modern war. America is an indestructible force whose jurisdiction has no limits, in a sense our country is using the powers of god to watch over and attack other nations.

The African Muslim terrorist guy says all he is is a man with nothing but a love for his people. He is like Zod from the first movie, a villain from one POV and a hero to another.

>it's been 6 years
>people still think it's a superman movie
It's a Kal El movie retard. There is a reason wny it's named Man of Steel and not Superman. I'm guessing you have no idea what difference that would make.

Because steel is maliable?

I'm guessing you think you're deep

Why are capeshitters like this

Talk about can't handle the banter holy shit. Not sure there are many Mexicans dressed like that in London.

nope.
>pa kent is more worried about government involvement/punishment than being a good person
>superman needs to "learn" killing is bad
>superman has to be all but forced to use his powers to save people

This.

Man of Steel has it all:

>Kino soundtrack
>Kino cast
>Kino plot
>Kino dialogue
>Kino visuals
It took the most boring superhero ever and actually made him a character you rooted for and wanted to be. "B-BUT SUPERMAN'S ABOUT INSPIRING HOPE AND HAVING THE STRENGTH NOT TO USE UNLIMITED POWER!!!". That's worthless and empty as a message. In Man of Steel, he's struggling with life the way you or I would struggle, he has immense power and he ends up having to use it to kill a man. That's far more interesting and relatable to the human struggle towards good despite how hard it is than him just peacefully subduing Zod and locking him away. Superman has sin in Man of Steel and he struggles with it like anyone else would.

An invincible, infallible, confident, perfectly good and right god being is a story for children.

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stop slandering Supes and Pa Kent they were never in this movie
you're a psycopath if you want to be like this "Superman" instead of classic Supes

if that is true.
it just proves my point they did not understand the character.

Kal El is Superman, Kal El is not his secret identity that has its own personality and story. The personallity Superman projects to everyone is him. not a persona he puts on to be the hero.
Clark Kent is the persona he puts on to blend in with humans.

I liked MOS despite disliking Hack Synders DC world. However MOS entire third act out Endgames, Endgames third act. You can’t talk about soul when Supes and friends are literally throwing tankers away each other for fun.

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>epic kekz
>money = good
>paid off shills = actual reviews
Pick one.

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seething

Yeah, if GL had really taken off, DC could have gotten in on the cinematic universe craze 2 years earlier as well, and not got left so far behind in the dust.

see DC/WB had a vision, but most people didn't want what it offered because the movies were so much darker and more depressing than what the competition was offering.

are you ok lad?

>batman being a fallen version of himself
This was done in the batman movie right before bvs that came out within a few years. Very original idea there.

>HURRRRRR HE DESTROY CITY DURRRRRR BAD MANNNN HE MAKE DESTRUCTION OF CITY HUUUURRRRRRR
When you're fighting for your life, if you take a millisecond to worry about collateral damage then you're dead. Followed by every life on earth.

Fucking morons.

>it's the audience's fault our movies suck!

Batman being a bruting edge meister that kills people isn’t shocking which is why no one really raised a fuss over it.

Also The Winter Soldier still has the best capeshit action. Fucking DCfags I swear.

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Kal El becomes superman. He wasn't born as superman. That's the whole point. The movie is about Kal El struggling as Clark, becoming superman, then realizing to be superman, you have to embrace Clark.

wrong.
Logan proved people want dark and depressing shit.
It just cant be written like shit and completely miss the point of the character of their 2 big iconic characters. the guy in charge thought they were "outdated and arent realistic with their views and morels"

woah so deep

That is not how Superman works. his biggest weakness has always been he runs off to save people even if it throws himself in to harm.

>Muh paid shills
Give me ONE (1) piece of evidence to support this

Mate, Logan is a good movie I won't argue with that. But don't act like it being the last wolverine movie with Hugh didn't enormously impact the numbers and reception.

This. Look at how edgy mainstream TV shows have been recently. The writing doesn't even have to be good, just mediocre. The Snyderverse couldn't even handle that.

not your daddy's Superman bro this is psychopath supes
did you just lose your virginity to this deep and mature movie?
you can tell it's deep because symbolism

>That is not how Superman works
IT IS IN THE MOVIE YOU UTTER FUCKING CHILD
>has always been he runs off to save people even if it throws himself in to harm
He's never in danger of dying, ever.

Hello there rakesh

Who the fuck even is rakesh your boyfriend you fucking faggot?

still proves my point
them completely missing the point of the character. he is supposed to be Small Town American Farm Boy, the idealistic American man, cares for all and protects them from harm no matter what. not because he wants rewards, love, respect, power, or anything but because it is the right thing to do.

Superman sucks.

This is why MoS and BvS are good movies. They stop sucking Superman's cock.

totally true bro
snyder's cock is so much more delicious

Learn how business really works in the real world, kiddo.

That's not evidence, retard

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Snyder should've made a Krypton movie and not Superman movie. Because as much as I hate superman's brooding character in MoS, the beginning parts on Krypton was lit. For once, the alien planet Krypton actually felt alien. And Shannon and Crowe was perfect as always. And what I hated most is how fast they killed off Zod. I mean 1 fucking movie. Shannon was rocking in the role. Way to plan the future Zack.

Because Justice League sucked and was a boring snoozefest.

Oh is warners marketing team gearing up again for wonder woman?

it did help the sales yes.
but once it came out and people saw it was a good movie and the feels in it were real. like take out the mutant shit and replace the comicbook action scenes with western/medevil/anything action scenes and the story still hits.

yes a movie based on Superman, a character that has been iconic for almost 100 years. there is a reason his core character traits have remained the same for all this time.

if he was not in danger of death than he has NO excuse for not taking the fight some where else or saving people. He just enjoys fighting and does not care about he people. outside of movie reason is Snyder thought it was "cool".

>Logan proved people want dark and depressing shit.
You do realize both MoS and BvS did better than Logan in BO right?

>there is a reason his core character traits have remained the same for all this time
Because the stories were aimed at children and manchildren like yourself who cry and bitch and moan if any change happens, even change for the better

People loved it so much it catapulted DC movies to the top. Can't wait for Justice League 2 and all the other DC movies in this amazing shared universe. I hope Cavill and Affleck will extend their contracts after their 8 movies are up.

>t. psycopath

>completely missing the point
I'm not defending capeshit fag. What I meant is, his proof for what people want is not trust worthy. Man of Steel doing better that Logan says how far BO numbers and quality of the movie, are . Captain Marvel having a certified fresh rating shows how much critics' approval is worth.

Context dude. MOS and BvS made a lot of money because it was the start of the DC Cinematic Universe, Considering the DCAU and the wealth of great stories from the source material it should have been great. CM made a lot of cash because it was between IW and EG. IW also implied she would be important so people went to watch it even if the movie itself was mediocre.

>What it feels like to be white around shitskins

Feels good

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Logan was a conclusion to Wolverine's arc. That should be large enough reason to get the movie hyped and score big. But, it under performed. Given the context that is. Iron man was the beginning to MCU, and yet it wasn't really a break-through, in the same context you put man of steel in. Although I understand Marvel wan't as big as DC back then, but still, it was a thing.
Also, I used Captain Marvel to shit on critics rating, not BO. Because with the kind of rigorous marketing it was given, and connection to Endgame, it would've been a miracle if it didn't cross 1 billion.

>edgy as fuck teenager
it is profitable and iconic.
outside of kids n manchildren. normies do know and love the iconic superman, the difference is they have not built their life around their hobby.

Marvelfags

Resorting to posting wiki for definitions is the sign of a losing side

LMAO dcucks BTFO

IM was the start of capeshit universes it absolutely wasn't a thing back then. DC started theirs in the middle of the fad so people were more excited for it considering Avengers was a success.

Logan was the conclusion to a bunch of X-Men movies that jumped all over the place in quality so people weren't really that invested in it. It also wasn't a cinematic universe.

Critic ratings are shit and always have been especially for mouse movies. No way that shit should be that high.

Anyway, the original argument was that Logan proved people were ok with darker tones and they obviously are. People who watched it enjoyed it while snydershit is panned. It's not the tone it's the writing,

Just came here to say Based.

>ten years later and still the best capeshit film

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Why do you think being the beginning of a cinematic universe makes it hard to be successful? It absolutely does not. Hell, Iron Man wasn't even marketed as the start to their universe back then. Just another capeshit. Capeshit has always been a thing. But I do agree MoS didn't do good considering they literally jumped onto the CBM universe wagon when the demand was sky high. But then again, that wasn't even my point. You said here Logan proved people want non-action capeshit. What I said (not argued) here is that if we take BO as the scale to measure how much people accepted a movie, MoS and BvS (even though it didn't even comes close to what it should've grossed) was accepted better than Logan. But in reality, both the dc movies aren't half as loved as logan. And critics are shills; captain marvel, mary poppins returns etc proves that. Implying, BO and Critics approval aren't worth jackshit these days, except for the production companies.

First of all that's not my post you're quoting. Second, starting something new will always be harder than jumping on an already established bandwagon. You said it yourself, it was "just another capeshit", which is why it made "just another capeshit movie" money as opposed to "important cinematic universe movie".

Also I never said anything about the box office being the scale used to measure success. If I did then I wouldn't argue that Logan is a better movie that snydershit, since the latter made more objectively. My argument was that Logan's reception is better than snydershit because it was a better movie.

Also I don't know what you're arguing about critics. They've always been shills and mostly agree with the hivemind opinion.

Was this you? If it was, that's where your misunderstanding began. Even if that wasn't you, you came at me with context and stuff here when I was just making myself clear to that guy. All the BO stuff and critics stuff was actually for that user. You're the intruder here. Fuck you for making us debate over the same thing from the same side.

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Both are me. He was right about Logan though. People enjoyed it even if it was dark and depressing because it was written well compared to snydershit. Snyder fans love to point out that people only hate their shit because of the tone because they can't accept that the writing is actually shit.

people still talk about the Justice league cartoon almost 20 years later

yeah people that hate superman tend to be realy hatefull pricks

fuck you for making me imagine what could have been

the scene where pa kent got drunk and shot clark in the face with a shotgun was kinda though

i mean how else would he know the kid is INVENCIBLE. cause if you know your kid cannot have a shot it TOTALY means he can suvive a hurricane

what?

youtube.com/watch?v=W3SLLEzkG8c
absolute Kino!

kek. STOP MY INVINCIBLE SON posters btfo

user before geting justice league we had to get super friends

fuck me in the end of justice league they show bruce buying the hall of justice

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how does pa kent knows superman is invencible
the only thing he knows is superman skin is kinda strong and needles cant pierce it

does that mean he is imortal?
he ages like a normal person, a elephant can bend a metal bar but if you shot it with a bazooka it WILL die.

if only we got Superfriends instead of psychofriends user

there must be darkness before sunlight

You're absolutely right he shouldn't let his son try and save him. Poor Clark even though his dad was dying and he had powers he couldn't save him. His dad told him not to so he has to obey like a good little doggy. He clearly can't think for himself and risk his own life for his father I mean what is he a HERO? What a touching moment.

snyder covered the sun in shit and now its light is gone user
I hope somebody reboots this shitshow and puts Dini and Timm in charge.

sure let your alien kid reveal hinself to the world after he just showed to you he is still a imature little dick

what could go wrong, the governament will just gut him to study just like they did to ET

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Imagine actually posting this image in a non-ironic way

>You can't defeat the most powerful creature ever created without the assistance of a 90 pound woman.
She has a magic fucking rope

It's as good as the first Iron Man, in a different way but equivalent. Head and shoulders over 99% of current capeshit.

Of course when you tell him not to he shouldn't right? It's not like the kid cares about his dad or has free will or anything. His dad is dying in front of him but he can't move because he was told not to! Poor kid. If only he had control over his body and cared enough about his own father he would surely try to save him. Too bad there were no heroes around to save his dad.

every marvel movie to mee feels like that scene in bambi

>something terrible happens
>BOING BOING BOING QUIP QUIP
youtube.com/watch?v=F9FXdLcrkss

yeah because kids are totaly mentaly ready to do stuff in times of emergency and NEVER EVER freeze in face of danger

kek. somebody wanted Martha all to himself

>why don't the decisions the characters make in the midst of chaos match the decisions I believe I would make from the cool detachment of my armchair

its what cops say
laywers have weeks to think about decisions they had seconds to make

>capeshit
>capeshit

Yeah you're absolutely right. I forgot he was just a little kid back in that scene user I'm sorry. I just think it was a weird casting decision to have HENRY CAVILL play a 12 year old kid y'know?
Now that would have made an even better movie
You're right user. I shouldn't hold him up to that standard considering it was just his dad and he's just Superman and not some iconic hero. Plus he didn't have that much time to save his dad. He had absolutely plenty of time to stare though but not enough to save his dad obviously.

i belive he was 14 but yeah its stupid
they could had used that same kid

>he's just Superman
He's not Superman. He's a kid in a fraught situation whose dad is telling him to stay put.

people tend to forget that superman powers only started acting as he grew up. because sun radiation acts diferent on adults as it does on kids

he couldnt even FLY before he got in the ship of that movie

No way is he 14 in that scene top kek
Yeah you're right. I mean look at this poor little tiny kid. How old do you think he is in this pic? 10? 11?

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i agree its a stupid casting decision
he was 14 in that scene

He already had super strength as a kid but he obviously wasn't trained in the use of his powers. Guess that's what happens when you're taught to fear them instead of use them for good.
The fuck the movie just gets dumber and dumber

like i said before
a elephant can bend metal too

can he survive a hurricane?

Guess we'll never know since he never cared enough to try did he?

throw the first stone then if you have no regrets in your life

I can't since I regret watching this shit movie that promised Superman and delivered a dude who didn't even try to save his own dad.

Agree.

>Taking “The Dark Knight Returns” and reversing the roles Clark and Bruce play in the allegory.

>Making Doomsday an aberration that has occurred more than once.

>Making Doomsday a Kryptonian mutation whose aura absorbs most forms of energy instead of just sunlight and uses it to evolve and adapt.

>Giving Bruce Wayne an actual psychology that’s in-line with how he’s been presented in the comics for decades.

>Giving Clark an imposter syndrome complex born out of feelings of guilt and inadequacy.

>Updating Luthor to reflect the things the modern world fears and loathes about the Information Age.

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kek

People like the MCU movies because they focus on making the chracters likeable and well-developed. If the audience has no investment in a character they will have no interest in seeing a movie with that character in it.
It's not that hard to understand.

>Man of Steel
For Mexicans
>Avengers
For white people.

That's the difference. Mexicans objectively have shit taste in films.

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you're a huge massive fucking pleb.

this
meanwhile DC forgoes character development and motivation just to move the plot forward and/or add symbolism

But at least I have an argument, eh “patrician?”

>likeable and well-developed
None of the MCU characters are that. They're just quip machines going from one bad joke to another.

sure thing bud

I agree with this. There’s very little character development. There’s quite a bit of plot-driven motivations and actions.

that's not an argument, that's listing things your stupid little mind thinks are kino.

What did Sneeder mean by this?

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I miss the time these were popular...

>It took the most boring superhero ever and actually made him a character you rooted for and wanted to be.

The fact that you think this means you never understood Superman to begin with, Zack.

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I used to think this as well but at the end of the day that's objectively false.

>DCucks on suicide watch squad

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>Men like art like Man of Steel, boys like flicks like Avengers.
Men don't have to tell everyone that they're men.

That's pretty much wrong in every way. It's sad you're too dumb to understand Marvel characters.

Give him a break user he's just a little, very young, 30 year old boy. Probably hasn't even experienced puberty yet.

i mean in the end Clark becomes superman so its not like the film endorses Pa Kent

The only good superhero movies are raimis trilogy, yes all 2, super, and Frodo’s performance in sin city

>There is a reason wny it's named Man of Steel and not Superman.
There are two, neither of which are even remotely deep:
- They needed to differentiate it from the previous Superman movies
- The Dark Knight had been hugely successful and they wanted to ride that if possible but only knew how to do so in very superficial ways