Y-you can't just jump the axis in editing, t-that's against an editing rule I read in an editing book! REEEEEE

explain why that would automatically make a cut "jarring" and how following that rule would automatically make a cut "not jarring". What does "jarring" even mean? What if I WANT it to be "jarring"?

They will also tell you these rules are meant to be broken but you probably shouldn't if you're a 23 year old and this is your first film ever, unless you want it being shoved onto Netflix

>wait a minute you can't just write a story without a protagonist, what about the hero's journey???

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Suicide seems like an obvious option.

if you're such an expert on unconventional film making, where's your movie?

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>not following retarded rules automatically makes you unconventional

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Damn right, you tell em. This is my favorite film and it doesn't abide by any of those rules!

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has this rule ever been broken in a movie? What are some examples

>NOOOO You can't have all of your shots out of focus and under or over exposed! That's objectively bad cinematography!!!

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>bro you can't make the hero unrelatable no one is going to watch the movie!

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where's you movie?

You need to give me a reason those rules are retarded or an example about how breaking them goes down well (past intentionally disorentating the audience, which inherently implies the rules are functional) instead of just saying "rules bad!!!!"

youtube.com/watch?v=XnxgYYfIooc

Done to make you feel uncomfortable

>You can't just shoot journalists, that's ILLEGAL!

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where's yours?

serves you right, weaboo trash

wrong. you (and others) are making the claim that this rule is correct to begin with, without providing evidence. you need to prove that you are right, I am not making any claims other than "fuck your rules, I just use whatever fits the scene"

based

underrated post.
typical dunning kruger brainlets think they are smart for having heard of screenwriting rules and pretending they don't matter
but the moment someone actually does break them they REEEEEEE to the sky

>you can't just make movies for sole purpose of profit. this isn't a business. it's art!

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the only thing TLJ broke was the rules of logic, good taste and your mom's vagina

>23 years old
>wannabe film director
>no talent, natural ability, or fresh ideas
>fuck it, I'll make a holocaust movie and sell it to netflix

Wow, I never noticed that in the Shining. Looks like it's a cool technique

kek

>jarring
You know what else goes into jars? Pickles
I AM PICKLE RIIIIICK
SUCK MY DIIIIIIICK
XD

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It's not a rule, it's a guideline for amateurs. If you're going to be a complete cuck and follow a bunch of easy to follow "rules" then, by all means, make the same cookie cutter bullshit as everyone else.

I think it's time.
It's time we finally make a movie Yea Forums!
What is it about?

Non-virgin here (had sex)
I don't know what ''editing the x-axis'' means and I don't see anything in the video. I have no clue what you are even talking about.
Have sex.

Fresh ideas are overrated. Just make something functional.

Literally anyone famous for "breaking" rules will tell you that you need to know how to follow them first.

>NOOOOOO!!!! TOO MANY TILTED CAMERA ANGLES!!!!! THAT'S NOT PROPER ETIQUETTE!!!!!

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>NOOOO You can't just point your camera away from the scene and not record anything the actors do

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I think he's making fun of us bros...

Huh?

rules are made to be broken

Seriously though, there are three steps to being an artist:
> learning the rules
> using the rules
> knowing when to break the rules

All great filmmakers know how to break the rules. Shitty filmmakers and amateurs get hung up maintaining the rules, as if they're upset that they spent all that money for film school.... only for some other filmmaker who break the rules they paid to learn. How DARE they!!

>NOOOO YOU CAN'T TAP THE CAMERA AND YELL ''HERE'S THE MOTHERFUCKING TEA''

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Yeah, "functional" is definitely a great adjective to shoot for. Wew.

>anyone famous will tell you
>learn to follow rules first
Gee I wonder how the first people to ever make films managed! After all nobody had written any rules for them yet that they could learn to follow!

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>NO YOU CAN'T JUST LEAVE THE LENS CAP ON!!!!

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>t. has no idea how fucking bad the majority of early cinema really was

I really don't bad for 90% of people who get suckered into the film school meme. It truly is the ultimate pleb filter.

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You're not Orson Welles, you're not gonna be a superstar right off the bat.

>no form of storytelling existed before le kino

I get this reference.

>Why yes, attaching the camera to a rope and dangling it from the ceiling sounds like a great idea for this scene

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What even is this thread?

> Gee I wonder how the first people to ever make films managed! After all nobody had written any rules for them yet that they could learn to follow!

Name some of the best movies from the era of filmmaking which didn't have the rules.

I'm neither for nor against "the rules of filmmaking". Other people are, so if you want to get money from them to make your movie, you need to somehow convince them their money won't be wasted.

That said, early filmmakers spent their time doing whatever and seeing what stuck. It took nearly 30 years before "Man with a Movie Camera" was made before filmmaking became a lot more stable and entertaining. The "rules" of filmmaking help encourage people to sit in a chair for three hours to watch a single motion picture; consider back when these rules weren't finalized and thus filmmakers could barely keep people entertained for 20 minutes, let alone 180 minutes.

Basically the "rules" are a baseline concept where the audience expects a film to follow such that it doesnt suck and they don't feel like they've wasted their money. But the rules also hold shitty filmmakers down because they spend more time trying to adhere to them instead of realizing that the rules are actually more like suggestions than anything.

The best thread currently on Yea Forums

>Name some of the best movies from the era of filmmaking which didn't have the rules.
And just to make sure I'm not accused of moving the goalposts, when I say "name some", I definitely mean more than just one. Maybe give me a top ten at least. Even a top five.

>Noooooo, don't let the actors mumble their lines! think of the deaf people! think of poor jimmy who's gotta audio mix all of this!

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>when the entire thread starts shitting on OP in tandem

Is there anything better in life?

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Realize that film school exists only to give failed filmmakers a job. If Hollywood is good at one thing, it's looking after its own. So long as you play along.

Otherwise, maybe expand into something like cinematic VR or 360 filmmaking. It's nothing now, but all it takes is one good filmmaker to prove otherwise. Will you be that one good filmmaker? Hell, the first VR films don't need to be GOOD, consider how early films are barely remembered today. They do at least need to be competent enough to be entertaining such that you'll be remembered as the first person to "crack cinematic VR wide open" and you'll be set for life. Consider how early video games or early websites were utter trash, but people still remember them today SOLELY because they were "pioneers of the field".

people making humorous posts my good got tourist
>NO YOU CAN'T JUST HAVE FUN ON AN ANONYMOUS IMAGE BOARD

As someone who has worked on sound for low budget independent movies, this one really triggers me. Bad sound isn't something you can "fix in post". Poor Jimmy (that's me), is the guy who has to stay up all night (with the actors) doing ADR for their dialogue. That means me, replaying the same tiny clip for them, over and over again, while they try to dub their performance to perfectly match the lip sync, or well enough so that no one would notice. They're doing this while completely removed from the actual acting process, so they also have to mimic their emotional appearance. For every single line of shitty audio. Then I have to process that audio to make sure it doesn't sound like a handful of the lines were recorded in someone's back room, three days after the shoot. It's such an unbelievably tedious fucking process. So fuck you.

>NOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST FILM YOURSELF HAVING SEX WITH FILIPINO CHILDREN!

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>Is there anything better in life?
Yes: when OP posts a chimpout livestream.
This is still bretty gud tho

I have a suspicion the wojak posters haven't watched many old movies.

>you can't have real unsimulated sex in a non porn movie!

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I've worked with a few sound guys... it's truly thankless work. Most people consider sound to be a secondary concern, only to realize too late how much their movie sucks because of their shitty sound.

Sound engineers are truly a different breed of people... not in a bad way, but like, they have a different way of how they approach filmmaking and media, and they've taught me a lot about how the human ear works and how visual art is actually a bit easier to work with because it's more natural and self-evident than sound is.

>Y-YOU CAN'T JUST MAKE ACTRESSES SLEEP WITH YOU FOR PARTS, IT'S AGAINST THE """RULES""". HER PUSSY SHOULD BE RESERVED FOR CHAD REEEEEEE

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Fuck Jimmy >:(

Probably not. Anyone who is 100% against the rules are no better than anyone who is 100% for the rules, because in both cases they're unwilling to see beyond what's in front of their nose.

For me the best position is to treat the rules of filmmaking as suggestions... useful if you don't want to get your dick caught in the ringer, but only if you don't know if it will get caught in it or not. If you know what you're doing AND have the results to prove it, then you can ignore the "rules" as much as you want. In the end filmmaking, like everything, exists in a state of anarchy, at least until we apply order to it. But that order is self-imposed, and thus we have all the agency to do as we please. Anyone locked into one thinking or the other are useless to all others.

Back in college, I was brought on to compose a score to a film, but mid-way through production, the director asked me if I could be the 'general sound guy' for it, since that person left for some reason. I thought that was weird, but okay...

Turned out, that guy left cause he fucked up the ENTIRE recording process. There was so much electrical interference in the source audio, it was like catching David Lynch on a bad day, or some shit. Whole movie, top to bottom, had to be ADR'd.

>Whole movie, top to bottom, had to be ADR'd.
Jesus fucking christ... if you managed to salvage it, then super kudos to you.

What bugs me about people who don't understand art (or any craft for that matter) is when they think that they can just add something or change something... only because they think they can. Kinda like how they tried to get Doom on the 3DO, and the dev lead thought he could add new weapons, new enemies, new levels, simply by taking a retail copy of the game and drawing a picture of the new item. "Just stick it in there! How hard can it be?"

I can't imagine what the previous sound guy thought they could get away with because "hey, we can fix it in post!" ... lol wut ... Worse, I'll bet it was some kind of error that they could've prevented, but they couldn't be assed to change anything as it was being recorded because they thought getting rid of electrical interference white noise was as simple as waiting for no one to speak and using that speech-less section as a sample to run the rest of the audio through Audacity's white noise filter. Easy peasy!

Hollywood should pick you right up with those qualifications.

>Shrek
>unrelatable
Do you not have layers or something?

based

I'll put you on the axis of asswhooping, how about that

Hahaha, some of the things you deal with in this field are just wild. Like, I was brought on as an assistant sound designer for a play back in /February/, and it was talked about me maybe providing some original music for the show. Hey, that's great. Awesome. I love content creation. Come this last Saturday though, at our first production meeting, the lead designer comes up to me and basically says "hey, can you do the entire score?" He drops that there are around 20 cues, and our designer run is in 20 days. So that's a cue of music written a day- and that's assuming every single cue gets a green light, and doesn't need revisions.

Like, not bitching at you dude, but gosh, ya know, I probably could've had those cooked up for you sometime in the past four months, instead of needing them last minute.

A cuck gets cucked by a black man and plots to murder him, then finds out the black man is a weeb who is also getting cucked then decides to hang out with him and they become best friends. This all happens in the first 15 seconds of the film, the rest is a buddy cop futuristic action drama about the struggles of being a cop in a post post Trump world.