Now that the warp plasma has settled, what did Yea Forums think about Star Trek VOYAGER?

Nearly pure shit.
The show had more creative freedom than any trek show since the original and it pissed it all away by being the most generic pile of insipid garbage I've ever seen. Militantly boring.

Only faggots watched Voyager

Wut?

I know she got fat but a sex offender?

>voyager
the true sign of autism

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To my memory she flashed some kids or something at a park after she got fat.

Voyager is a good trek show with some very memorable episodes. The ending is extremely bad though. And the show leaned too heavily on the borg in the later seasons. It had the best interior designs of any trek show. Voyager bridge is still my favorite.

YIKES

They took an amazing concept, a crew made up of staid starfleet officers and cowboy marquis rebels that has to work together to desperately attempt to get home in an area of space they have no knowledge or friends and turned it into something that even stargate universe did better.

Given the choice between staring at a concrete wall for 45 minutes and watching Voyager, I'd stare at the wall because it would offer deeper commentary on the human condition, I'd undoubtedly get more out of it.

>BAWWW WHY WAS THIS SHOW SO STAR TREK?! WHY DID THEY UPHOLD FEDERATION VALUES EVEN WHEN IT WASN'T CONVENIENT TO THEM?! WHY ISN'T THIS GRITTY AND EDGY LIKE GOT?! LE BASED SISKO WOULD HAVE JUST DONE WHAT HE WANTED!!!

literally everyone whining about Voyager

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It has some of the best episodes, but also some of the worst. And sadly the bad ones far outweigh the good ones. Nevertheless it's probably my favorite Trek simply because I always watched it with my dad when it aired.

They should've done even more with the Borg. The few times the appear and get outsmarted or utterly demolished by the Voyager took away all the threat they possessed before. Having them appear more often and see the Voyager struggle against them until some later episode where they finally manage to pull off some transwarp-heist or incite the civil war would've been far better and not reduce the Borg to Sunday morning cartoon villains.

>WHY DID THEY UPHOLD FEDERATION VALUES
>unless Janeway wanted coffee and went full maniac over it

Wow, so much hate for Voyager. It had some rocky early seasons, but I honestly consider it my 2nd favourite out of the franchise.

its a glorious fucking mess

nah voyager perfectly depicts the inconsistency and pathology of shit humans.

it is very hit or miss.
they seemed to keep changing the direction of the show every other season.
the last few episodes feel rushed like they had no idea how to end it so they went with time travel.

Can anyone explain how the hell trek economy worked?

especially in DS9. How did the Starfleet staff pay for drinks at Quarks?

Quark doesn't make money on the replicated drinks, the replicators function off the station's power grid. The non-replicated stuff (non-shit) and gambling were still a huge profit on top of all the business connections and smuggling. Federation has "no money" until they cut you off through some treaty in which case you fucking need money now, or a new military government to suck off for food.

>Quark doesn't make money on the replicated drinks
what about all that holodeck time?
>the replicators function off the station's power grid
that doesn't make sense. first of all you pay for service also. thats the major difference between buying drink at a bar and drinking at home/friends home.
>The non-replicated stuff (non-shit) and gambling
ok, how do Starfleet personal pay for that?

I like it because I like Star Trek. As a narrative it is a total failure. As user will point out he precariousness of being in the Delta Quadrant with no supplies and the Marquis-Starfleet tensions were worse than a missed opportunity, they constitute holes in the entire series concept. But TNG didn't have a narrative concept. We can retroactively say the same of TOS. The premise for both is just Starfleet ship doing missions 'n shiet and they are great series. If you look at Voyager as a narrative failure you can still enjoy its episodic content. There are undoubtedly great episodes and blatantly terrible ones. I like it.

>DUDE THE ENTIRE SHOW SHOULD HAVE BEEN LIKE EQUINOX OR YEAR OF HELL!

Dunno, don't think they bring up starfleet types paying for holosuites. If you control the schedule you can definitely make some fucking money though. Starfleets are pretty much banned from drinking and gambling, I think. Definitely aren't supposed to drink. Only one I know that gambles offhand is dax and who knows how many million lifetimes of alien money savings that bitch got.

>Dunno, don't think they bring up starfleet types paying for holosuites.
How does Quark make money then when most of the station is Starfleet?
> Starfleets are pretty much banned from drinking and gambling, I think.
that doesn't make sense. both Miles and Bashir got drunk during DS9 and during that Riker-DS9 episode they said Riker made a killing at the Dabo table so clearly he was gambling. not to mention Dax constantly playing Tongo and Jake (not Starfleet but like all humans moneyless) being a Dom-jot "hustler"
>Definitely aren't supposed to drink.
only while on duty.

Most of the station isn't starfleet. It's not a starfleet station.

obrien, bashir, riker, and dax are probably just breaking the rules. again it's not a starfleet station. if it was fine to drink off-duty then TNG would have had alcohol (for non-rulebreakers)

>Most of the station isn't starfleet. It's not a starfleet station.
Bajoran station managed by Starfleet, staffed by Starfleet and Bajoran personal. I'd wager starfleet makes up the majority of people living on the station and even if they aren't they're probably second only to Bajorans making them still a sizeable population.

>Obrien, bashir, riker, and dax are probably just breaking the rules. again it's not a starfleet station. if it was fine to drink off-duty then TNG would have had alcohol (for non-rulebreakers)
TNG S2E18 we see Worf create Whisky and after that a Klingon drink which has similar effects to very strong human Alcohol. Did Worf, the stickler to the rules and the Chief of security break the law there? I doubt it. also if its illegal it would probably be blocked off the replicators in the first place.

TNG S6E4 Data in ten forward open Guinan's personal reserve of alchohol to offer to Scotty. Again, would Data break the rules? if Alcohol is illegal why is it on ten-forward and why is one Starfleet personal serving it to another?

it's explicitly blocked or not programmed in several eps, i can only assume that either worf had to enter his own klingon shit manually anyway or it somehow went under the radar (or shitty writing). Guinan's liquor was specifically given to her by picard, he was almost certainly breaking the rules doing so or that would have been meaningless.

>it's explicitly blocked or not programmed in several eps
what episodes? I only recall one episode where they said that its designed to replace all the alcohol in alcoholic drinks with synthehol by default unless specifically ordered otherwise (S2E18)

and even then, you are ignoring the fact that both Data and Worf - sticklers to the rules (and one of them is the security officer in change or enforcing the rules) knowingly and willingly broke those rules. so if those two broke the rules we can be certain everybody is breaking the rules so they'd certainly be breaking them at Quarks which bring us back to the original question of how are they paying for it?

half is kino

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dunno, theres plenty of ways by which they could earn money legitimately, service or rent or labor. A few more in which it'd be greyer, preferential/discriminatory treatment/scheduling/etc. none of that is probably explicitly against the rules though and neither is it fixed by any sort of theoretical communism.

She got arrested while bald, fat, and on drugs. And let me say as someone with a hard drive full of BBW porn, not the "good" kind of fat.

A post scarcity economy where the currency (latinum) is used not necessarily on "I want this" but instead on "I need z amount of items at x location at y date" as well as labour which appears relatively unchanged to modern times as robots aren't apparently intelligent enough to do the work of meat.

that doesn't sound sustainable considering they'd need a proper cash flow or a massive payday to be able to support repeated visit at Quarks and I find in hard to believe every Starfleet in Quarks is on the take.

Great ship, 7 of 9, The Doc, "Do it", great series, best trek.
TNG faggots only remember the intro of the Borg, people who complain about Voyager's Borg seem to forget about TNG's Hugh, plus the one with Data's evil twin and the Borg, the Borg had been turned into "characters" long before Voyager and the Queen Borg who is a decent character was introduced by TNG not Voyager.

Voyager is the best.

well certainly not all of them would visit. some, like riker, could gamble it into a bigger amount; they are hyperintelligent probably due to all the gene augs impregnating scores of slaves. there's basically only 3 starfleet officers who are repeat customers and we don't know what they actually do/drink/pay for.

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>I need X amount of Y at Z location on stardate A
lolwut. How is this any different from 'I want this'? Star Trek economy makes no sense, especially in DS9. Ostensibly the post-scarcity things make sense within the Federation but when you have them interacting with the Ferengi (or literally anyone else) it all falls apart. You just have to turn off your brain, lol.

Series, that, over its course, actually killed Star Trek. ENT usually gets attributed that feat, but by the time it rolled around, the franchise had already been mortally wounded by Voyager. ENT had its fair share of terrible ideas, but Voyager established that feeling boredom and stagnation while you're stuck with seasons upon season of a mostly unlikable and unexciting crew. 7 season of eternal Ensign Kim, "Badboy but not really" Paris, PMS Vulkan, Muh Heritage Tattooman and whatnot.

There is an amusing YouTube video where they compare voyages stated complement of photon torpedoes to the amount they actually go through in the series.

Janeway really liked blowing things up.

Whoops, should be PMS Klingon and Most Boring Ever Vulcan.

Cringe.

Tuvok is unironically the best Vulcan in trek. The way he is characterized actually makes sense within the rational/emotional Vulcan psychological framework. He is also pretty amusing and Russ did a great job.

DS9 killed Trek.
You can't deconstruct a franchise and then hope to go back, after DS9 there was nothing left to do than pull the plug.

I felt they emphasized too much on him being a stoic straight man to Neelix. a bit more banter and wit now and then would have gone a long way. I felt other Vulcans (outside of ENT, where they were mostly no-fun assholes for plot reasons) hit that balance better.

Only in the way that going back to the allmighty reset-button type of serialized storytelling made Voyager look really bad compared to DS9. DS9 had struck a good balance between episodic content and continuous developing story. That and the dreary crew is what made VOY look bad compared to DS9. It's not so much the deconstruction of "muh scifi paradise", but simply exchanging interesting characters with a cast less so and a premise that should promise excitement and evolution of the setting, but going for TNG, but worse.

better crew than TNG, that's for sure

Maybe the real Voyager was the friends we made along the way

Remember when you fags said I wouldn't get the ablative armored Voyager from Endgame?

Yeah who's laughing now?

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Not I, I'm just cringing. What makes an 18+y/o man spend money on merchandise from a television show?

Okay Insaneway, why don’t you go commit another genocide.

Who on Voyager is better than their TNG equivalent?

The Doctor > Beverly
Neelix > Deanna

Neelix doesn't even have fuck-factor going for him, fuck off.

I agree with you. So seven of nine (kek) main cast members are superior on TNG.

holodeck episodes > blorg episodes > baddie of the week episodes

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TOS = DS9 > TNG > ENT >>>>> shit >>>>>> VOY >>>> shit covered shit >>>>> JJ >>>>> STD

Imagine if in the Picard series, Picard decided to travel back in time to save Yar, just because, and changes to the timeline be damned.

That's the Voyager finale.

>muh nostalgia
TOS aged like milk and you know it

It could have been BSG before BSG, with decent writing. But they wasted the opportunity and ended up making a shit version of tng.

Okay braindead zoomer

not an argument boomer

TNG = DS9 = VOY > Everything else.

is there anything more cringe and boomerish than thinking TOS was good?

>VOY equal to DS9 or TOS kino

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I liked the Doc and not much else

I like the 24th century Star Trek, I don’t like the 60’s stuff.

Every single piece of Star Trek has been garbage since the very first episode up until this Picard thing they’re doing with Professor x

Wow someone has the nostalgia goggles on too tight. This is a list based on actual show quality not feefees.

B5 > TNG > DS9 > TOS > VOY > ENT S3/4 > TAS > ENT S1/2 > Single digit IQs > STD

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>TNG
Hello normalfag

Voyager is one of my all time favorite TV shows. Nothing on TV that I've watched will I ever watch again, even okay stuff like GOT S1, Breaking bad S1-S3, Walking dead s1, the Sopranos. Yes I get Voyager is typically self contained episodes while what I mentioned above isn't, but even when I randomly watch an episode leading to a meta arc I still find my self watching and seeking out the arc.

No TV show or movie or book ever gave me feels harder than Blink of an Eye. It wasn't anything covered in the plot, but the overall feel that got me. It made me yearn to be apart of the universe, it made me wish I was born in a timeline where space exploration, as depicted, was a thing. For weeks after watching, I mourned that I would never get to experience it.

For currency the computer is possibly linked to their voice pattern and deducts whatever they get from their account. It's also possible that anything they get on the starship or a military base is complimentary due to their service.

Voyager was like warm piss in your mouth. If you're dying of thirst, you'll swallow it, but that doesn't mean it will be a pleasant experience.

As good as DS9, better than Enterprise.

You just gave away the spoiler to the end of the first season of tp. The room here is this uncreative.

>(you)

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If a person who likes DS9 and Voyager exists, it's because they're the most basic bitch Trekkie. Voyager and DS9 are antithetical: DS9 is mature and engaging with interesting plots and likeable characters, Voyager is a soulless TNG rehash with cliche plots and bland to terrible characters. DS9s story is about the difficulties of running a multicultural federation while facing opponents actually have valid criticisms about your federation, voyager is about literally abandoning your series interesting premise in the second episode and making a dumbed down Trek show for syndication ratings, a proto-STD.

So if someone likes both shows in spite of how hugely more inferior and shit Voyager is not only as a Trek show but as a stand alone television show, it's because they like the phasers and space ships and replicator aspects of the shows. The stupid magical technology. They're not absorbing or engaging with the stories and characters, they're sitting there slack jacked clapping at the zoom zooms and beep beeps and buzz buzzes. If they were star wars fans they would love the prequels OT and sequels because all of them had laser guns and lightsabers.

Subhuman trash.

Stationfags are the worst.

I give it 7/9

They basically ignore the first season being dogshit and say how good the war was even though thats S5-6

If they had any taste they would be S2-4 Babylon 5 fags.

>he didn't grow up watching voyager and ds9 at the same time along with other sci-fi shows like earth final conflict, x-files, babylon 5 etc and enjoying them all

I’ll bet he’s really into Mass Effect

Is that VF?

final conflict is great...shame it didnt end after the talon arc was concluded

X-Files > Star Trek

Chakotay should have raped and killed Janeway and taken over. They should have made Voyager bigger than a Galaxy class. They should have stuck around space where the aliens had much weaker tech for longer. I want to see a big starfleet ship bully xenoscum.

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half of the characters were boring
they a great premise but it only lived up to the potenial now and again
it was a set up for long arcs but ended up being episodic (restart button heavy)
ruined the Q and Borg

but I would say it's actually mostly enjoyable. strange to say but once I stopped expecting it to be the next DS9 is ok.

VOY main cast > DS9 main cast
if you’re too stupid to understand this post, Garak, Dukat, Martok, Weyoun and Iggy Pop are not main cast members

>Voyager
lol

first contact ruined the borg before voy was a thing

DS9 was shit.
Voyager was better by a factor of at least 4x

>ok, how do Starfleet personal pay for that?
With Latinum, obviously. Where they get it is the mystery here, since Starfleet obviously doesn't pay.

It was better than ds9 though

Dukat has to be main cast cause of the plot, even if he's less than recurring. Garak's some undefined thing that's more than recurring for how much screen time he gets.

Voyager was both better than DS9 at its best and worse than fucking anything at its worst. Had some of the best characters and by far the worst characters. Its got some serious range.

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>range
That's called an inconsistent tone and it's the result of poor craftsmanship. Stop making excuses for the people on the short bus, they're all retarded.

If someone only remembered 70% of voyager they could have wildly different opinions depending on which subset they had. That's not a "range" positive quality, just kind of nuts and endearing.

DS9 had its stinkers but they were clustered so you could try to forget them in bulk.

You don't know anything.

I don't hate Voyager for being a bad show but do hate the people who like it because it's clear they have no taste and will watch anything with Star Trek in the title. They're zombies, shuffling around following their basic instincts with zero independent thought. Voyager fans lack the spark of life which makes someone human.

Reminder that "The Void" is one of the best episodes of Voyager (and Trek) and gave us a feeling for what Voyager could've been if it actually played out its premise of being thrown into uncharted space.

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VOY fans are definitely different from TNG fans, they probly have some overlap with the other camp spoof shows around that time. Xena and stuff. They experienced some of the best trek without going through all the hard autism to earn it like TNG fags and their opposite but equal autism, stationfags. This makes spergs rage.

>How does Quark make money then when most of the station is Starfleet?
Most of the station are civilians, citizens of and visitors to Bajor. A lot of the personell are Bajoran Militia, who presumably DO pay their members something, probably latinum.

>l. I'd wager starfleet makes up the majority of people living on the station and even if they aren't they're probably second only to Bajorans making them still a sizeable population.
Starfleet are really the minority, there are thousands of civilians, only hundreds (at most) of station personell and that incudes militia who do drastically outnumber Starfleet who are only there because the Barjorans had no clue what they were doing with a month-old government in episode 1.

Stationfags are autists who crave continuity porn and are the real zombies. VoyaCHADs have real lives.

Ep so good they made a season of ENT based off it.

I geninuely liked Voy, despite the shit it got.

Yes, the ending was weak.

And Blink of an Eye is the best episode of Voy hands down.

I unironically enjoyed VOY growing up, because it was my first Trek and it was good.

Yeah, after watching DS9 and TNG I realise that it had a lot of shitty filler episodes, and that if they had common sense writers they would've made damage and shit last rather than resetting for their crappy filler episodes between long plot arcs. I do still enjoy the shit of the Doc and Seven of Nine, because they were the decent actors on that show who rocked every scene.

Straight up, if they had spaced Harry, Chuckles, and Banana Tores in the first season, and just skipped straight to the borg, the rest of VOY would've improved a thousandfold from acting and character interactions.

>autists who crave continuity porn
You mean a story more involved than PEW PEW SHOOT LASERS AT THE BORG or OOOOHH I BET YOU THINK OUR GOLLUM IN A BLONDE WIG AND TIGHTS IS SO FUCKING SEXY, YOU WANT TO FUCK HER DON'T YOU??? Yeah, DS9 fans are the worst with their character development and original story concept. Every Trek series should just be some smug irrational retard and their crew of beta orbiters bumbling around in space.

Dunno about that, Meld's very good.

Chakotay was one of the only things good about Voyager

I love me some Beltran but chakotay was pretty shit.

Imagine if Star Trek taught people how to actually do Native magic while tripping face on peyote

>stationfag
Cringe

Watch The Expanse then.
Now gtfo this is a VOY thread.

I just realized she is Red. Holy fuck...

Would Voyager have been better if it wasn't written by some rando larping as a hollywood stereotype of a red injun and instead by someone who actually spent time with yaqui sorcerers and shamans then devoted his life to finding logical, scientific explanations for the phenomenon he experienced?

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It has more bad episodes than other treks but its comfy to watch and the characters arent perfect but are mostly likable.
I could nitpick it to death but overall i enjoyed watching it.

>Will Kira love Odo?
>Will Sisko find his faith (of the heart)?
DS9 is a soap opera.

Hard to say, it might turn out like that garbage wesley episode where he goes on a vision quest but in reality its just aliens.

This. Voyager failed at trying to do something new but did a respectible job doing what tng did.

>drugs make people see things that aren’t there
Now where’s my research grant?

This, but unironically.

Chakotay legitimately believed he was able to contact spirits on the astral plane whereas most mages understand the "magic" is in their minds, an exchange in the language of symbols. Trek has always loved magic Indians, I wonder if Roddenberry actually believed in magic superpowers or if he understood it's a meme and was clever enough to play along

I wanna write an x files like show where they investigate new age crystals, native american spiritualism, and ufos like they are legit. The theme song would be a 90s trance/goa track.

I've never really seen a valid complaint about Voyager. Any hate it gets usually boils down to
>I think the characters SUCK
>Their struggle back home isn't HARDCORE enough
>LOL PHOTON TORPEDOES

Season 1 - okay
Season 2 - good
Season 3 - trash
Season 4 - good
Season 5 - good
Season 6 - trash
Season 7 - bad

>vf complains about shitposters
>is a shitposter
Surprise surprise

A lot of the plots were truly bad when they weren't just inferior TNG rehashes. I don't blame people for liking VOY, at the end of the day it was still comfy and if you want a harmless space romp it usually did the trick. But overall it was just asinine most of the time with too much technobabble and not enough good writing. And Janeway was fucking insane.

I'm not hating on akoocheemoya, just chakotay as a character.

>new age crystals
a meme perpetuated by occult shops to sell shiny rocks

>native american spiritualism
you can't deny native burial grounds are cursed

>and ufos
the CIA has been spamming their declassified UFO reports for the last two years

Oh, I also forgot

So it's the reverse of TNG?

Dude what the fuck are you on about, the Enterprise-D literally had a fucking bar in it. In the episode with Scotty that references Captain Piccard drinks Whisky with Scotty. Are you telling me Piccard, Mr. Goody Goody of Starfleet would break such an obvious rule? This isn't even bringing up TOS which has alcohol in it all the time.

>A lot of the plots were truly bad when they weren't just inferior TNG rehashes.
Like which ones?
>But overall it was just asinine most of the time
How?
>too much technobabble
Examples?
>and not enough good writing
Explain?
>And Janeway was fucking insane.
How did you reach this conclusion?

>grouping VOY by season
thats just insanity.

VOY doesn't have remotely consistent tone between episodes, except 2 parters which are always good.

More or less; during my last rewatch season 2 was surprisingly good, but season 3 had absolutely no sense of direction and most of the episodes were garbage tier (too many Chakotay and Kim ones as well)

VOY 2 parters > TNG 2 parters > ENT 2 parters > DS9 2 parters

>everyone on Yea Forums is VF
your obsession is unhealthy

I know all that. I want to adapt the reasons that people find bs like that compelling and build a fantasy world.

Who do you think you're fooling

The warp 10 episode.
Also janeway steals from, has shady dealings with, or collapses entire civilizations multiple times.

Here's episodes from S2 that I'd count as Trekkino:
>Cold Fire
>Maneuvers
>Prototype
>Meld
>Dreadnought
>Death Wish
>Lifesigns
>Deadlock
>The Thaw
>Tuvix
>Basics I/II

S3 only has:
>most of Future's End, some of it was cringe
>Before and After
>Distant Origin
>Scorpion I/II

>Also janeway steals from, has shady dealings with, or collapses entire civilizations multiple times.
Such as?

As the writers themselves say. TNG AND DS9 were made by writers who understood the universe and loved trek even if DS9 went against the original vision. Voyager was made to make money and be battlestar galactica and was written by people who didn't care about the deeper aspects.

That's what one writer, who was butthurt, said.

In one of the first episodes they claim they only have something like 38 photon torpedos with "no way to get more". During the course of the series they fire about 98. The only mistake here was dropping in that dumb line about not being able to get more. I see no reason why they couldn't just replicate more photon torpedos. The series also is criticized because when it opens they say they only have 2 or 3 shuttle craft but something like 6 or 7 are lost or destroyed through the course of the show. Again, I don't see this as a problem as there is no reason why they couldn't just replicate the parts to construct new ones. Especially considering that Paris literally builds the Delta flyer, a one off shuttle from scratch. It stands to reason they were just making more.

Not that guy but.....
>writing
VOY did a lot of pop culture eps, a LOT of them.
>I hate time travel so much
>proceeds to do a dozen time travel eps
90s Sarah silverman guest starred. They had some of the best guest stars, no joke, but they wrote more contemporary episodes to match that.

>technobabble
wasn't as problematic as that guy thinks, they just made up random phenomena because it was cool, dramatically. Nothing sciencey about it and thats alright.
>spacial scission eats a baby and Kim
it worked.

>good writing
My theory is that Braga was on a LOT of drugs. Threshold literally won an Emmy.

>Janeway was insane
Super inconsistently written with no middle ground. Everything was either
>I forgive you for murdering some crewmen and destroying our chance of getting home, it was nice to make a new friend in the delta quadrant
>You had SEX? With an ALIEN? You're confined to quarters for a year.
>Well you betrayed starfleet multiple times and we already demoted you for disobeying orders but frankly I like you, here's your promotion back.

>TNG AND DS9 were made by writers who understood the universe and loved trek
Ronald D. Moore said this and was on the writing staff
>battlestar galactica and was written by people who didn't care about the deeper aspects
Ronald D. Moore was on this writing staff.
>Voyager was made to make money
Ronald D. Moore said this after getting kicked from the writing staff

A lot of people at the entry level of spiritualism create fantasy worlds as a coping mechanism for a trauma they've experienced, because they need the assurance that they're important and an imaginary friend is looking out for them. At higher levels it's more about exploring psychology and helping other people navigate through their fantasy worlds. There's a contrast between reality and perception which most people have a difficult time balancing which, from what I've seen of Chakotay, Voyager never really addressed.

Just off the top of my head, the one where the Doctor has to defend his holonovel was clearly ripped off from Measure of a Man, the series' overall take on subjects like evolution is hamfisted and bizarrely unscientific even when it's trying to defend evolution, all you have to do is look at the numerous times the show comically misuses terms like "interferometric" (which is an actual term) as a plot device that doesn't even make sense and hoooooly shit don't even get me started on the number of times Janeway has called an alien species "bullies" just for defending their space or said there were always alternatives to war in one episode while saying it's inevitable in another. Basically whatever justifies whatever bullshit Voyager is up to this week. Oh and Neelix actually getting members of the crew killed with his constant, misplaced pride or selfishness. Seriously, they should've killed him off since S1.

I get that you like it, hell I'd watch it again if I saw it on TV or if it a friend happened to be marathoning it, but I'm not going to pretend it's good by and large. It's fine to like it, but don't be dense. The whole ship and crew were just one big Mary Sue.

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>don't even get me started on the number of times Janeway has called an alien species "bullies" just for defending their space or said there were always alternatives to war in one episode while saying it's inevitable in another.
when did she do this? she only called a kaznigger a "bully" one time
>Oh and Neelix actually getting members of the crew killed with his constant, misplaced pride or selfishness.
when did he do this?

I liked Voyager, I don't give a fuck what anyone says.
Sure more of it should have been like "Year of Hell" where they're struggling for supplies and what not, but they had some great stand alone and multipart episodes.
I fucking hate 7 of 9 tho. They didn't need a "sexy Data who needs to learn about humanity". They already had the Doctor for that kind of role.

>too much technobabble
I'm in the extreme minority in that I like technobabble.

TNG had Whoopie Goldberg, Kelsey Grammer, Bebe Neuwirth, Terry O’Quinn, Stephen Hawking, Mae Jamison, Mick Fleetwood, Corbin Bernsen, and Paul Sorvino (!)

DS9 had Iggy fucking Pop and Vanessa Williams, among others.

>B-B-BUT WHAT ABOUT DS9
Stationhaters are fucking pathetic AND obsessed.

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No, there was a species that didn't want Voyager entering their space and when Tuvok points out that's their right as a sovereign species, Janeway literally says she's not going to lose a few months off their trip home just because some "bullies" wouldn't let them through.

I repeat, she called them BULLIES for not wanting Voyager flying through THEIR space. Bitch is nuts.

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Basically, this

It's pretty decent if you forgive it for not taking advantage of its premise/setting

>>Oh and Neelix actually getting members of the crew killed with his constant, misplaced pride or selfishness.
>when did he do this?

That time they got stranded on a planet by the Kazon. Neelix took command of a group of crew and told one of them to go inside a cave that was clearly littered with bones even after he objected. Said crewman got eaten. Did you even watch the fucking show you claim to love and defend so much?

Yeah I already saw your post and replied to it, you don't have to samefag yourself.

He's always here... always watching

okay let me rephrase, they had very expensive/popular celebrity guest stars.
>Andy Dick
>Lori Petty
>Prince of Jordan guy
>Jason Alexander
>The Rock
>Tom Morello

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>Captain is in a desperate situation and bends or even breaks Starfleet rules to get through it
When TNG or DS9 does this, it's subversive.
When VOY does this, it's bad writing.

Not even trying to meme, but it was a different time. You can't compare TOS to the later shows. When they were first making the original Star Trek series they had no idea that it would even become a franchise, let alone what that franchise would eventually become. In TOS they were still playing very fast and loose with the terminology and rules of the universe. For instance in TOS is pretty clear that they could go anywhere in the galaxy with relative ease. It wasn't until TNG that things like a solid warp scale, sense of speed, and spacial distance was firmly defined, which retconns a lot of stuff in TOS. TOS was also intended to be much more episodic and pulpy compared to things like TNG which were trying to essentially be hard sci-fi. It's really unfair to compare TOS to the later series because the later series would go on to change so much. You have to look at TOS for what it was, and when it was made. If you can do that it is a fun, charming and innovative series.

>When TNG or DS9 does this, it's subversive.
>When VOY does this, it's a tradition.

Fix'd. Breaking the prime directive is literally the only rule Voyager seems to have.

>Andy Dick
Literally desperate for work. This guy was on Space Ghost Coast to Coast right before his Voyager role.
>Jason Alexander
Same as Andy Dick. Seinfeld actors were taking anything they could actually get.
>The Rock
Voyager was one of, if not his very first, non-wresting roles.
>Tom Morello
Famous musician, but Voyager was his first credited acting role.
>Prince of Jordan guy
He wanted to be on Star Trek, he's not a famous actor or really even a pop culture icon.
>Lori Petty
Her career was in a nosedive at this point. She was doing cartoon voiceovers.

>stationfag is a phoneposter
Imagine my surprise

Dick had Newsradio. Alexander had Duckman around that time? Not sure about overlap. He was still big off seinfeld though. The Rock was the rock, clearly beginning of his pivot but thats pretty wacky right? Tom Morello & Prince of Jordan guy are cameos, not even guest. Mostly included cause funny. Lori Petty was doing okay, still big in the 90s and less on point cause sort of real actress. Silverman of course was huge (but bad) there's plenty of real-actor guest roles, too.

>TOS aged like milk and you know it
I would take the worst TOS episode over ANY episode of ANY show made in the last 10 years.

TOS includes the film which are still amazing.

>Dick had Newsradio
Thanks for proving my point.
>Alexander had Duckman around that time? Not sure about overlap. He was still big off seinfeld though.
They literally called it the Seinfeld Curse. None of them were getting work, except for bit parts like Voyager. They were unironically desperate for parts.
>The Rock was the rock
The Rock was just a wrestling icon at the time.
>Silverman
Probably the only one was a "big name" working guest star at that time.

And again, TNG had a long list of big name guest starts who weren't desperate for work. They had Whoopi Goldberg in a recurring role. You literally cannot defend this while chastising Voyager.

Come on son.

Wrath of Khan is the best scifi film ever made.

Ok, then prove me wrong.
Let me guess
>le Game of Memes!
>Orville!

>Did you even watch the fucking show you claim to love and defend so much?
Holy shit, you need sex ASAP. I'm just saying that what you claim "always happens" in the show actually only occur once or twice.

The things people claim they hate in VOY happens all the time in TNG or DS9.

When did Janeway knowingly and willingly commit genocide against entire races? I see this thrown around a lot, and I'm genuinely baffled.

I spilled a lot of seed to Seven of Nine, I tell you what.

Newsradio is kino, Dick's role on Voy was probably pre-hartman dead so it was still big money shit.
Jason Alexander was running a show, even if it was cable. That's not the same as desperate, that's demeaning schlock.
Silverman wasn't too far ahead of Andy Dick, honestly. Decade before her own show.

I'm not saying TNG didn't have guest stars that weren't desperate for work I'm saying TNG had actors who came in to act. I'm specifically not talking about actors guesting to act, I'm talking celebrities.

Voy had random celebs showing up because they were 90s popular not because they'd improve the show. It was like pure marketing. I was clearly wrong to call them "best" but the program in place where they pulled in popular fucks is... more impactful to the production? In a sleazy Bermanesque cash grabby way.

>They literally called it the Seinfeld Curse. None of them were getting work,
You couldn't be more wrong you zoomer faggot. The entire cast could have gotten any job they wanted. Jerry realized he coudn't top Seinfeld so he did a comedy specials and faded away (until Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee).
The other 3 tried their hand at their own network shows (only Dreyfuss had some success). The only "curse" was that they were coming from the biggest comedy every so any preceding project they did would come nowhere near Seinfeld.

>In a sleazy Bermanesque cash grabby way
Yeah we wouldn’t want Star Trek to be successful

>Newsradio is kino
That's great, but he was a has been by the late 90s.
>Jason Alexander was running a show, even if it was cable
You dirty zoomer. He was on a TV movie and did a few episodes of Dilbert. His roles before that, excluding Seinfeld, were cartoon voice roles. He was struggling. This is a fact and something the Seinfeld cast has frequently talked about.
>I'm saying TNG had actors who came in to act
>Voy had random celebs showing up because they were 90s popular
If TNG/DS9 does it, then it's good. If VOY does it, then it's bad. That's basically your argument. Stephen Hawking. Mae Jamison. Mick Fleetwood. Iggy Pop. Vanessa Williams.

Louis-Dreyfus, Alexander, and Richards have all tried to launch new sitcoms as title-role characters. Almost every show was canceled quickly, usually within the first season. This gave rise to the term Seinfeld curse: the failure of a sitcom starring one of the three, despite the conventional wisdom that each person's Seinfeld popularity should almost guarantee a strong, built-in audience for the actor's new show. Shows specifically cited regarding the Seinfeld curse are Julia Louis-Dreyfus's Watching Ellie, Jason Alexander's Bob Patterson and Listen Up!, and Michael Richards' The Michael Richards Show.

This phenomenon was mentioned throughout the second season of Larry David's HBO program Curb Your Enthusiasm. However, the Emmy award-winning success of Julia Louis-Dreyfus in the CBS sitcom The New Adventures of Old Christine led many to believe that she had broken the curse.[154] In her acceptance speech, Louis-Dreyfus held up her award and exclaimed, "I'm not somebody who really believes in curses, but curse this, baby!"[155] The show was on the air for five seasons starting March 13, 2006 before its cancellation on May 18, 2010; the series produced enough episodes to air in reruns in syndication for several years, something the other shows didn't achieve.[156] The Saturday Night Live episode guest-hosted by Louis-Dreyfus made references to the curse. Louis-Dreyfus went on to win six further Lead Actress in a Comedy Emmys for her acclaimed performance as Vice President Selina Meyer in HBO's comedy series Veep.[157]

Voyager sucks.

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>Louis-Dreyfus, Alexander, and Richards have all tried to launch new sitcoms as title-role characters. Almost every show was canceled quickly, usually within the first season.
That's most shows in television. And as I said, there was almost zero chances of those shows being hits because people had "Seinfeld" expectations. Thye could always find work, that's why they took small roles in tv shows and movies. It gave them a chance to play different characters without the impossibility of creating a post-Seinfeld hit.

Outside of the original series, Voyager is by far the best.

>this entire game is just that episode
>its actually fantastic

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Newsradio was a big show, it only went down post-Hartman who was the main draw. Andy Dick was NOT washed up by the late 90s, the late 90s was his peak and his career was aborted very shortly after.

I'm not talking about guest actors doing acting, I'm talking about them pulling in non-actors for.... I dunno why, cross promotion? Actors is a separate category, TNG/DS9 had cameos for their pop culture friends, written into the tone of the show. VOY did the opposite for specifically non-actors.

Jason Alexander's shitty cable cartoon show lasted like 5 years. It was still a long way from seinfeld but nothing ever would be, that doesn't make him suddenly garbage.

The episode trailers for "Tsunkatse" was the lowest point of Voyager.

>That's called an inconsistent tone
No, that's called inconsistent quality, which is not the same as tone.

I think both DS9 and Voyager suck but in entirely different ways. DS9 shits on its own characters hard towards the end and there's an almost clear turning point where it goes from great to garbage. Voyager likewise shits on it's own characters, but whereas DS9 is stuck with those moments and has to acknowledge them from now on, thus negatively affecting all future episodes, Voyager just conveniently forgets about them shortly after so any sort of a major damage to a character doesn't really matter in the long run, and it is very much episodic compared to DS9's more arc-driven approach. While you might wonder how this is a good thing, it does mean that you can easily skip the bad episodes and really not miss anything, unlike DS9 where you don't really have a choice. When Odo decides to kill all the future colonists just to save Kira, it's not glossed over. This is what Odo is like from now on.

And I think that's why I prefer Voyager between the two.

>listens to Kanye West
A paragon of good taste, I'm sure.

Yeezy taught me.

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I'd like to say your blog had an inconsistent tone but it was all shit, like Voyager.

Winter is coming!

>Voyager sucks
>Yugioh? That's great television

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Don't forget Sarah Silverman.
She looked so good back then.

And the king of Jordan

Have sex

You hate Voyager because its about a real woman

Can it really be called a Trek if you're just following an insane woman around for seven years?

Friendly reminder that the cast of Voyager was more ethnically/gender/extraterrestrially diverse than STD.

Name me one time Voyager referenced Neitchze like Yugioh has. I'll wait.

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...

Name me one time Yugioh was good. Unironically. I'll wait.

Voyager isn't real Star Trek.

It's more real Star Trek than fucking DS9

>Now that the warp plasma has settled, what did Yea Forums think about Star Trek VOYAGER?
Third best of TNG era Treks, but, unlike STD, I keep this on my hard drive

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Yugioh is shit. It's honestly just bad.

nice

Based.

>mfw

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he said woman

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>vf deleting off-topic posts even though it isn't a general
Rad

I just wanted to have some fun.

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Guess who else wanted to have fun? The year was 1938.

Hoooooly shit

calm down faggot
/trek/ loves BF

This isn’t /trek/ faggot, it was a Voyager thread. Go shit up the space mall thread.

kys faggot

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I liked "Night" better. It felt spookier.

>This isn’t /trek/ faggot, it was a Voyager thread.
And how do you quantify voyager related things if not comparing it to its peers, huh?

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I’m fine with that, just leave the board culture, general memes and tripfags out of it

>remaster never ever because the IP rights are jewed all to hell

The episode Terok Nor from DS9 is what you are looking for

A disappointment, mostly because the premise was so good.

>Starfleet ship out far from the federation
>Limited resources
>Hostile part of the galaxy

Could have been awesome, but nope they had infinite photon torpedoes, dilithium and shuttles so it ended up just being a TNG retread except without Patrick Stewart to elevate it.

Year of Hell should not have been undone.

Still the Doctor, 7, and to a lesser extent Janeway and Tuvok are pretty cool.

I mean Empok Nor. I'm sorry

If youve never had a gaptoothed broad put her incisor in your dickhole, I'd strongly advise it.

I hate the potato-nigger episodes.

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The show had so many great initial ideas and opportunities for interesting developments and never used any of them, except for the Doctor. Just shit like Paris getting a demontion would have been so much better in Kim had been promoted in his place to create tension, but it basically made completely no difference to anything until they undid it.

people pretend to dislike it. truth is, if you like any of the 90s shows, you're only fooling yourself by saying you dislike any of the other ones.

I just watched the two-part intro to DS9. Seemed to set the table fairly well and got me into a couple of the characters right off the bat. Looks like pretty comfy viewing overall.

What am I in for long term?

Some good content. I wish I could watch DS9 for the first time again. They really stumble near the end but it's decent and they try to wrap everyone's story neatly which is nice

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>they try to wrap everyone's story neatly which is nice
This is the only reason I still rate DS9's finale above Voyager's, despite all the fire cave faggotry. It actually feels like a proper fucking finale. TNG was neither story- or goal-driven so it didn't need an epic closure, but Picard finally sitting down with the other officers to play poker was a nice moment. Voyager in the other hand just...ends. Any character arcs that might've been going on during the final season are abruptly dropped and go unresolved. I think they were trying to present the future scenes as such, but after the timeline was altered, none of them fucking mattered. You didn't even have the characters address this like in All Good Things.