Would he have been a good king?

Ned is blonde northman, his wife is a red head, all his children are dark haired.
Who do you think Catelyn cucked him with?

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He had no sense of honour

Bobby B, right of conquest

Cateyn got revenge for Ned coming home with a bastard by fucking his best friend Robert Baratheon.

God no. He was a retard.

No, he was trash at politics. Bobby B 2.0

>entire rickon / ramsey incident
>wanting to go north of the wall to snatch a wight
>telling daenerys that he's a targaryen
>trusted salsa not to tell his secret

>blaming jon for d&d retardation
you know what the character is supposed to be, and he aint that

can you repeat the question

>lost the kingdom because he had to dick the hot girl with a nice ass
>gay

The fuck retarded logic is that

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He was a misguided child. Remember he is suppose to be 16.

If I was 16 I would have also married the girl I dishonored because I was young and stupid and believed in being a gentleman.

He was too young to be wise, and a king needs to be wise.

>hot girl
Yikes

>gay

try again user

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whats the deal with extremely young people in fantasy being reasonable competent/intelligent. 95% of teens in real life are literal retards

He was a good tactician but he made some poor politcals choice. Maybe too naïve like his father to be a good king.

you said the Y word, gtfo user

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in the books Jeyne Westerling makes way more sense than random nurse, because he only meets her after he is wounded and she takes care of him, and she's a fellow noble. In the show it's just
>rob: ayo damn u cute
>rob: *breaks alliance with Freys for a literal nobody*

He was supposed to marry Walder Frey's daughter, instead he hooked up with some commoner slut.

That would have been realistic.
Happened to me, except I never cheated on her, she just thought I did and acted on it.

Ruined my life desu

because ficiton tends to be focused on exceptional individuals not random retards

in books she was from a noble house

Would he have won if he wasn't murdered?

>I would have also married the girl I dishonored because I was young and stupid and believed in being a gentleman
Wow, fuck no. The real redpill is that Robb married her in order to escape, what he thought, would be an ugly Frey roastie.

Probably not

>can't put his kingdom before his own selfish wants

_____

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On a lesser show that wasn't chock full of so many hot women, she would easily be in the top two.

Okay, but he literally said to her mom that he is marrying because he disnohored the girl's family.

There is no redpill. He is young and goes M'lady at women.

>threw his kingdom for foreign booty
Noh

Depends on in what sense "won" refers to

Robb could turn the north into lannister vietnam

The seed is strong

Nope, he is not trustworthy

not likely, tywin wouldn't leave Casterly Rock open without some kind of contingency plan.
If Robb was smart he would attacked Casterly Rock sooner, raid whats of value, murder everyone, then go and do the same for Lannisport and other holds across the west till the westerlands turn on Tywin then GO BACK HOME AND ATTACK AGAIN DURING WINTER

maybe if he made an alliance with stannis. rob's army was in shambles at the time of the red wedding

Every woman on GOT looks like a bug eyed mutant with the exception of that one Wildling lady that Jon fucks.

thats jaime lannister

GINGA MINGE

No.

yeah no i get that but the story wouldnt had been any worse if rob had been like 24

even that one isn't the best, friendo, she's an emaciated ginger skellington.

this, Robb needed to ditch the king of the north title for the sake of winning the war, but instead he went back to the freys

He married her partly because he doesn’t want his child to be born a bastard, seeing how badly Jon was treated by his mother. Tully fucking shits ruining everything as usual

He was also drugged as fuck and it is implied that her mom put her up into raping him.

...the fuck

>WE NEED OUR MEN MORE THAN TYWIN DOES
>brb gotta behead this traitor so half of my army abandons me

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kek

He lost the minute he killed the Karstark over the "muh honor" shit while Tywin was happily pillaging the Westerlands. Robb was a foolish kid that placed too much value on a fairy tale conduct of war when what he should have been doing was raping and pillaging the Lannisters and have been brutal as possible.

he was not a misguided child. he is literaly copy paste of his dad and ned would have been proud how honorable he was
too bad he was in the world created by the obese man where all the people with positive characteristics, good intentions and stable moral compass have to die because muh real life is dark and sucks and sshit
robb was unironically the best king out of the 5

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Except Catelyn has done everything right from the start of the book till the last one printed.

If everyone had listened to her, none of the "main characters" would have died.

> world created by the obese man where all the people with positive characteristics, good intentions and stable moral compass have to die because muh real life is dark and sucks and sshit
Not really. Tywin won the battle but lost the war, so to speak. Obviously, his methods worked in the short term but in the long term he got fucked in the ass and his dynasty, the most important thing for him, is in shatters. While the Starks are set up to win the long game because they've build a great degree of support due to their postive characteristics while Tywin - did the opposite.

Ned wouldn't have done anything Robb did.

if ned had accidentally dicked the westerling virgin chick he would have taken a second wife even if he had to convert to another religion that would have allowed polygamy and cat would have been fine with it, she would just quietly seethe like she did over jon

LOL no.

All the kids had red hair except for jon and arya.

he would have won if theon hadn't betrayed him. the original plan was that robb attacks lannisport and casterly rock from the land and theon and greyjoys attack them from the sea. after theon betrayed him, it was impossible for the starks/tullys to win since they had no navy.

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Also, and I think everyone forgets this, but in the books he was besieging their castle when he got news that one of hjs best friends, whom he had sent to Pyke to gain allies, had instead betrayed him, led an army to invade the North, took his castle, and murdered his brothers. So in grief and rage, he stopped maki g a careful siege and led a reckless over-the-walls attack i which he was seriously injured.

The poor guy was a sixteen year old virgin warlord high on meds who was scared he would die alone as the last of his family. Then he wakes up and fi ds that his q.t. nurse, a lady of the castle, is sleeping beside him. And he thinks about what his dad taught him about honor and responsibility, and how hjs other best friend, his half-brother Jon, had a shitty life because he was a bastard, and he jnows what he has to do.

smart user, robb was based and a good guy and would have unironically been the best kang

Theon had no chance of rallying the iron born to Robb's cause. He had been a Stark prisoner for his entire life and there is no reason for Balon to trust him.

Except when she went to war over Tyrion which basically started the whole shit show you trout loving FUCK

In the books, where he has a legitimate reason to break hjs vows, all his vassals understand. The Umbers, Mormonts, Manderlys, Blackwoods, they get it and are fine with it. It's only shitheads like the Boltons, Freys, and Karstarks that make a big deal of it, and they were already planning to betray him. Heck, you could argue tnat Walder's extortion of him wasn't even legal in the first place.

theon was a tragic character, but the right thing for him to do after balon revealed his plans was to escape the iron islands and go back to robb. it was obvious even to him that the iron born think shit of him, but he had the freindship and respect of the northen men

OH yeah it's okay to let criminals go away.

You stupid cuck
Bet you would shake hands and invite to dinner the nigger that rapes your daughter.

Nobody on the Isles liked Theon in the least, Balon begrudgingly granted him five ships to go raiding fishermen villages and that was for the Ironborn themselves, not Robb. No way the Iron Isles would've supported him.

so? the lannisters were getting their shit pushed in by robb until he fucked everything up with the frey debacle, which also was against her council

Eat shit frog.

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The lannisters are terrible at combat.

Robb with the Vale would have wrecked the faggy lions into Oblivion. He was winning by himself until Theon fucked up.

Only that it wasn't Tyrion who sent the guy to kill Bran, and either Catelyn thought he'd be retarded enough to send a murderer with his own, very recognizable Valyrian dagger, OR she believed her insane Trout sister. Either way she was an utter retard to take hostage the son of the most powerful Lord of the realm on a hunch.

Bullshit, he never fought Tywins main host and he won a victory against Jaime and some outriders by falling on them unawares in the woods.

Only that the Vale had no intention of giving him any men long as Lysa lived

Had Stevron Frey not "passed" at Oxcross the Edmure marriage could have genuinely secured the Freys while the Lannisters imploded in KL.

all the kings in the war of the five kings, ranked

renly > robb > stannis > dany >>>> tommen > balon > joffrey

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None of this happens in the books and is not real. It is fan fiction

>Tywin was happily pillaging the Westerlands
*riverlands

>Bullshit
allright, youre just blatantly ignoring facts at this point. the lanniesters losing every battle, and with the kingslayer captured their morale was threatened

>on a board dedicated to the discussion of television and film
>Wahh, the tv show doesnt count

That's a lie and you know it. Lysa was arming herself for the great war since Jon Arryn was murdered. She would never ler her family die, she is a Tully, remember their words.

tywin was getting his shit kicked but it didn't matter cause Robb was fighting with slit wrist

Everytime I leave him to play as someone else the north loses and the starks either get wiped out or near wiped out and lose most of their power. It's not that hard considering I did it with absolute ease. So he would have sucked because he couldn't into politics.

>daring to put stannis at nr 3 in website full of stannisfags

AH DUN WUNT ET

Arming herself to defend the Vale. She didn't answer any of Robbs letters asking for men or getting summoned to bend the knee to her king.

Not him but none of us are discussing the show, leave you plebbitor. We are discussing war games here.

what is his tax policy?

>muy videogames
Fuck off child

Yes, Robb Stark's letter were unanswered.

That has nothing to do with Catelyn and Lysa's relationships.

So how do you propose Lysa would've come to Catelyns aid and when, if not to the call to arms of her rightful King and nephew? It's not like she was particularly warm and welcoming when Catelyn came to the Eyrie with Tyrion

This.
>Robert might cheat on me, so I'm going to leave him for this married man without telling anyone.
>my sister got kidnapped, so I'm going to yell at the crazy king to give her back.
>I just discovered why my mentor was killed and why my son became a cripple and had an assassin sent after him, so let me tell Cersei everything and refuse to act as she wouldn't do something dishonorable like getting rid of me.
>etc.
Starks and Tullies are the perfect match because of how moronic both houses are.

so exactly the same situation

Ned never would have broken his vow to Frey because of muh dik, that is like the last thing he would ever have done and he would have been furious at Robb for doing it

Tbf Ned knew the risks but he couldn't bear Cersei's children who were essentially toddlers to be brutally killed by Bobby

Probably, because his mum would have told him what to do all the time. Would have been boring though.

not even a footfag, but damn

>no leadership experience at all
>emotionally sentimental
>hypocrite
>prone to emotional outbursts
>arrogant
Would've been a leader who gets half his family killed in one night, oh wait.

Kek I bet you think the lannisters are super smart. The stark's keep faith and follow the old gods, they hit a rough spot and bounce back. After tywin who is lannister? Shitty dwarf man, crippled incest cuck or deranged cersei. It all comes tumbling down after tywin because of how shitty he's been

>showfag thinking his opinion matters
Lol

Based book reader

She literally begged ned to go to King's landing you idiot

because young people nowadays spend no time acquiring actual skills and knowledge. you can assume that at 16 Robb was a talented leader, well-read, experienced in combat, etc.

Nobody cares about the gay books that will never be finished. The Yea Forums show actually had an ending, so that is the official canon now until that fat fuck decides to stop eating and finish your precious books.

Not only is Robb's wife best looking on GOT she was top 10 best looking women globally in 2012.

Also something something groomed to be the next Lord of Winterfell, knighted, expected to go to war at any time. Most of the kids coming out of Fleabottom were at best daylaborers and at worst more material for The Watch

Imagine the rape if Balon and Lysa weren't total retards

blah blah blah alexander the great

no hes a boring sap just like Ed and Jon, his reign would have lasted all of three weeks while he pointlessly stuck to some faggy code of honor/tradition and got outplayed by literally anyone else

The stark men are an allegory for modern white men, weak, idealistic, and ripe to be taken advantage of

>Oona Chaplin
>not hot as fuck

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>Renly
Usurper
>Robb
Usurper
>Stannis
One True King
>Dany
She'll bend the knee
>Tommen
Lannister bastard, but a nice lad so he can keep his head
>Balon
Ironiggers fear the Stormlander King
>Joffrey
Usurper

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he got got because he put pussy on a pedestal. he was a goddamn moron.

>imagine throwing everything away for a goblina
She was definitely not worthy for King

Hurrr you have to betray everyone to stay on top
>this is what brainlets think

Not everyone, but breaking a marriage agreement with your most powerful ally is pretty retarded

Would he have been a good king?

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no. He made the single most retarded decision in the entire show by marrying a foreign commoner. If the show followed up on the medieval feudal system it seemed to be based on in earlier seasons every single lord would abandon him thinking he has brain damage. It was the first red flag that the writers didnt understand what they were adapting. Following the major plot beats is mor enough for a good adaptation

Theon, you a real nigga.

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This is how the show writers misunderstood the story.Its really not his fault the show is as cynical as it looks like

killing karstark and Dany burning the Tarly's was dumber

shoulda just kept the foreign whore as a side piece.
Imagine the threesomes he could have had, that timid frey cutie wouldn't have minded

Underrated oldfag

Showfag

Maybe without that stupid cunt Catelyn
>Starts the entire conflict by arresting Tyrion
>Tells Robb to send Theon to the Iron Islands where he takes a ship and captures Winterfell
>Tells Robb to send Roose Bolton to the Saltpans with a small army where he achieves nothing except kill off Stark bannermen
>Frees the North's most valuable prisoner, a known shithead, on a flimsy promise entrusted to a fucking woman
She shouldn't have gone to King's Landing in the first place. She sent Ned down a path to his own beheading because Littlefinger played her dumb sister

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Stannis was a doomer before his time

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Shes literally the most retarded character and you see where Sansa, and Robb get it from

Edmure blocked Tywin's advance into the Westerlands to stop Robb's raiding and it sent Tywin instead to King's Landing to relieve Tyrion. The plan was to trap Tywin with his back against the river but Edmure fought to protect the river. Biggest mistake was not cluing him in

>Tully fucking shits ruining everything as usual
This, they dishonored everything and everyone they were close to in order to have even less power granted to them by the Lannisters than they would have with the Starks.

nope, too dumb to breath and excited by foreigners

i'd still fuck her tho

in his defense he had orders to wait

Yeah same. Wouldn't listen to a single stupid thing she said though

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i'd listen to anything that doesn't involve politics or war, she is a moaner

based

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depends on what his tax policy was

He'd be like Ned, but more idealistic and more politically savvy. Would at least not be blind to the game like Ned. Give him some time to grow up and he'd be a decent king.

has confused Renly with Robb like the face-blind mouthbreathing autist he is.

If he wasn't marching south for revenge then yeah. He can maintain the north as an independent kingdom with Winterfell as its capital. The south wouldn't be able to do anything against a united north.

Source on the rape implication?

>Iain Glenn auditioned for Ned Stark, and Sean Bean for Ser Jorah.
I want to see a glimpse of the timeline where this plays out.

He's a huge retarded faggot in the books as well. Anyway, fuck off to Yea Forums

How do i obtain chad aesthetics?

Didn't he just want to be the King in the North though?

>Tells Robb to send Theon
ahem she was actually against Theon leaving and tried to convince Robb that the Greyjoys can't be trusted. She was also against Robb breaking his oath to the Freys as she knew how dangerous they were.
>She sent Ned down a path to his own beheading
She was against Ned going to KL, especially after learning about Jon Arryn's murder from Lysa.
She made mistakes but she's hardly the one at fault for Robb's demise.

What?? Are you an idiot? She begs him NOT to go.

"Your brother and your father went south and they never came back."

absolute illiterate spatula

You won't tempt me vile foreign seductress... I... I won't lick those soles

and what about the ass, would you consider a cheek?

Well sure, there's no reason not to... not super into it but not opposed to it. Maybe bury my...

ay im a big rott, nigga you a shih tzu

So was black fish the only non retarded tully?

comfy
i dont blame robb

Edmure is based in the books

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> you never gonna get a "ned x cat" relationship
NOT FAIR BROS....

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i miss him :(

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I never read the books, but didn't he broke an agreement with a powerful lord to fuck a girl she liked?
That's a big "no good king" sign

The strong cucked the Baratheon (and were probably a stark branch house)

He was an oathbreaker. No sane person would trust him. Plus he executed some people who committed treason, which we now know makes him likely to massacre innocent people by the thousands at the drop of a hat so there's that issue too

in the books at least those aren't true. she basically sits out except when she gets emotional, in fact in the books she's the one pushing Ned to go to the capital and make sansa queen so her kids can have the life she always wanted. they pushed some of her exact lines onto llewyn iirc just so she wouldn't be the ones saying it and look more sympathetic

she's dumb asf and doesn't get any smarter once she's a fire zombie, responsible for literally every dead stark and somewhat arguably for literally all of it since her toying with/leading on incelittlefinger is what made him the scheming bastard that caused all of the chaos

>it is implied that her mom put her up into raping him.
damn the t°llys

After reading the books, it's driven home how much stuff went over the heads of the terrible twosome

You two are the idiots. The original poster claimed she had been correct since the start of the books. This is false she was the one to convince ned stark to go south as a royal marriage for sansa would be amazing and everything sansa wanted

>ass man
>not gay

>that is the official cannon now
That's not how these things work. Whatever the author says is canon, is canon

>There isn't a single person in Westeros that has Stark blood that isn't a complete retard
>retard
Sansa is smart. She is alive and a queen while Dany is dead.

STARKS WON

He's retarded in the books too.

>ullshit, he never fought Tywins main host
Tywin's host got btfo by Edmure lmao. Tywin lost every battle against the Northern Army in the WOT5K aside from feints.

Lysa was definitely going to let all the Tullys die. A bunch of the Vale Bannermen were practically begging her to join the war in favor of Robb but she declined them all because LF was whispering in her ear.

No. But that actor looks like Commander Shepard so if Legendary pictures ever gets round to actually making that movie they should cast him.

Yes they are. In the books she's even more against Robb sending Theon to Balon than she is in the joy, she basically predicts exactly what will happen and Robb completely ignores her. She also almost manages an alliance with Renly, which would've hugely swung the war in Robb's favor.

Like every character, Cat made some great decisions and some terrible ones. Though I think her releasing Jaime is understandable given that she was under the assumption that Bran, Rickon and Arya were dead so she was desperate not to lose any more children.
>literally all of it since her toying with/leading on incelittlefinger
She never lead him on, she even saved his life when he tried to fight Brandon. Littlefinger was just a retarded incel.

>YFW the nigger was right

youtube.com/watch?v=pWHXNFP6uzo

Cat made almost entirely terrible decisions. And sending Theon would not have changed Balon invading the North. That shit was already set in motion before.

Cat is literally the cause of everything that goes wrong with House Stark, starting from Ned accepting becoming Hand, to Ned trusting Littlefinger, to Tyrion getting falsely imprisoned and then sent to his death, to the worst possible deal with the Freys in the history of deals, to forcing Robb to give Roose the infantry, to undoing their entire advantage of the Frey deal by releasing Jaime (a known oathbreaker), to absolutely botching negotiations with the Baratheons, making the Starks look like murder suspects, to denying Robb having Jon as his heir instead of some Lannister spawn.

Fuck Cat.

>Jon isn’t a complete retard.

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>And sending Theon would not have changed Balon invading the North
She wanted to keep Theon so they had a hostage if Balon tried shit. Now it's debatable if Balon would have cared, but Cat's hardly an idiot for thinking he would given that it's the entire reason Theon was in Winterfell in the first place and that he's his last living son.
>to starting from Ned accepting becoming Hand, to Ned trusting Littlefinge
Littlefinger was a childhood friend and had changed a lot since she knew him, she didn't think he had any reason to lie to her, and trying to make her daughter Queen is what pretty much anybody would be trying to do.
>to the worst possible deal with the Freys in the history of deals,
The deal with the Freys was actually pretty good, it's Robb's fault for fucking it up.
>to forcing Robb to give Roose the infantry, t
Roose was very good for the war effort, while this inevitably turned out to be a mistake it wasn't entirely Catelyn's fault as Roose only went traitor because Robb made retarded decisions and lost half his men. If Robb had placed Greatjon instead like he wanted to he probably would've lost all of his forces against Tywin.
>undoing their entire advantage of the Frey deal by releasing Jaime (a known oathbreaker)
A mistake, but she had just lost two of her children and thought she was going to lose more. She wasn't in her right state of mind.
>to absolutely botching negotiations with the Baratheons
She hardly botched them. Negotiations were going okay until Stannis assassinated Renly.
>making the Starks look like murder suspects
Now you're just grasping. She couldn't have suspected Stannis was about to assassinate Renly when she walked in the room.

In the books Ned is dark haired

I just got to the part in the books where he dies. Robb deserved better.

No, his army is outnumbered and fighting a protracted war far away from his homebase in the North.

Cat is a retard who doomed her entire family through her retardation. You can trace back all the bad things that happened to the Starks to decisions that Cat ultimately made and urged for.
Even her advice is shit and she's too haughty to ever admit she was wrong. She was sure that freeing Jaime was the right decision even up to her death. She also tried to push Robb into not legitimizing Jon when not doing it would have doomed the legacy of the Starks entirely.
She's a moron who got above her position and thought that being a lady meant she could make good decisions and that she should have weight. She undermines Robb constantly. Her emotions are not an excuse, she makes choices based on her emotions constantly but then she stands behind them even when they go to shit and tells herself that she's right and no one else is able to "handle it" that she's right, as if she's some wise misunderstood sage.
Fuck Cat.

One more thing to add
Fuck Cat
Fuck Lysa
Fuck Edmure
FUCK TULLYS

in my ck2 game, yeah.

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Better than Joff.
Worse than Tywin puppeting Tommen.
Better than Dany.
Worse than Aegon.

>he fell for the brown women meme
imagine being a retard and missing out on this for a brown goblina's shitskin pusy

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he didn't know and had a 1 in 20 shot and didn't like the odds.
What is shit is that he could of had both.

thats charlie chaplins granddaughter

Death to all Freys, what a garbage house, exterminating it entirely is a mercy

I was with you up until you tried to bash /ourguy/

So fucking what? He was still a retard thinking with his dick instead of his head.

I don't get the Edmure love. I will give him his good intentions but he also inherited the Tully moron gene that only the Blackfish seems to have successfully ducked. He constantly fucks things up.

The only mistake Robb made was not genociding the Freys immediately

is that supposed to mean something

>MUH CHAPLIN
She is half Chilean and ugly as sin

this, imagine the look on walder frey's face when all the northmen turn on Walder Frey and Hostage his heirs

your not the boss of me now

No. His first test of character was to avoid temptation and honour his commitments.
Yet he falls for the first bit of pussy that takes his fancy and betrays his vows and his honour without a second thought.
Dude would have been a weak, cowardly king.

>first bit of pussy
lad

>what do you mean you didn't know my strategy when i didn't tell you
>fuck you uncle now pay more my mistake and get shat on one last time by my sister

no. same amount of stupidity like his daddy.
couldn't even rule the north properly

Edmure didn't have to know the strategy, you don't trust all of your liege men with your higher strategy, retard. Edmure should've done as he was fucking told and everyone knew it, even he knew he fucked up big.

yes?

so who will kill jeyne westerling in the prologue?

don't act like this, performing a surgery right after a battle wouldn't catch your eye

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>letting wildlings in ignoring the unrest that this causes the other night's watch eventually causing a mutiny

sorry to hear fren, things will get better

>Whatever the author says is canon, is canon
You mean like how Hermione is black now and Dumbledore is gay?

>Ned Stark has very light brown, basically auburn hair
>Catelyn Stark has red hair
>literally all of their children except one have hair black as night
what did D&D mean by this?

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Did you forget Sansa?

did you forget how to read?

It's amazing how Robb is supposedly a strategical and tactical genius, yet is an absolute brainlet when it comes to any matter other than war.

Got his mum killed!!!

jon is not rhaegar's son

She killed herself and her firstborn by freeing their most important hostage. I hope she realized that the moment she died.

At least Bobby married the cunt he was supposed to so even at politics he was than Robb. At least books Robb married because he got her knocked up (retard honour like Ned), instead of the Disney romance crap D&D wrote

Watched the first three episodes again yesterday.
A lot of the problems stem from her loving her husband and children, but still feeling like an outsider in her own home and as such she's constantly on edge around the people who surround her.

I seem to recall he threatened to obliterate somebody's entire house just because they didn't send him enough men, so no he would have been just another tyrant.

Her problems stem from her inability to get over herself.

Kek, it was a good move idiot. Karstark was openly mocking and insulting him to his face. He even taunts him by saying Robb is too soft to give him a real punishment. He gave Robb no choice but to kill him, if he didn't he would look weak and lose all respect. It was Robb's only choice. Brainlets like you and your hash quote amaze me when you miss this. The book has this reasoning written out explicitly.

He couldn't even hold the Norf together.

My man based

Did he desrve the bashing rob gave him I mean tried at least!!

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