I just finished this Game of Thrones and I have a question (maybe for people who read the books):
What was the point of this Ice Nigger trying to destroy all history and kill everything? He obviously has some sort level of free will and a high intelligence, so I'd assume there is some form of logic behind what he was doing, so what was his endgame? After destroying everything, what was he planning to do? Pulling a Thanos and become a farmer with his ice zombies? Was there anything in the show that I missed that would make this guy not a complete shit-tier "I am evil, I wanna kill everything"-villian?
>N word I’m not going to even bother trying to explain it because you clearly lack the critical thinking to understand.
Carson Stewart
Are you fucking kidding me?
Tyler Nelson
He's an allegory for climate change. No joking btw
Henry Clark
I'm sorry for the slur. I didn't know this was the sanitized section of Yea Forums: Please excuse me for saying that.
Would you please overlook my racist remark and just tell me what the hell this guy was doing?
Bentley Peterson
George hasn't written that part yet. So of course like every other part of the series that had bullet points instead of full source material it just got left out.
Hudson Rogers
No, have sex.
Angel Cox
Nope He was invented by the showrunners because they wanted a big bad villain In the books the white walkers don't have a leader and we don't know what their endgame is yet
Cooper Sullivan
Wait, did he didn't appear in the books AT ALL or did he appear but the story line wasn't finished?
Benjamin Martin
He hasn't appeared at all yet, and no one knows whether he will appear in future, so he may never appear
Owen Green
Thank you all for the information.
Ayden Cruz
Have fun
Nathan Allen
Also the white walkers in the books look and behave differently to the show. In the books they are more human, and laugh at their victims and shit. They're not mindless robots like in the show.
Joshua Richardson
the character doesnt exist in the books. the white walkers are very different in the novels, theyre more like otherwordly ice elves
Andrew Lee
Big thanks to you guys, too.
Benjamin Diaz
fuck off nigger
Easton Miller
In the show, he was created by the niggers of the forest to kill the first humans niggers. He have no goal than killing everybody.
he was trying to destroy the memory of humans never forget the shoah
Kayden Flores
Leader of them is alluded to, he has so far remained hidden.
My guess is that he'll be revealed in the next book when Hardhome happens.
Gabriel Rogers
And like everyone is saying they are EXTREMELY different in the books. They wear magic armor and don't look like they're made of anuses. They talk and everything.
Zachary Bell
Fucking kek
Lucas Mitchell
Hard home already happened in the books, it just happens off page and you hear about it from scouts
Thomas Ortiz
Fuck off nigger
Logan Nguyen
I know. I just didn't want to write "the thing in the book that happens where a POV character sees him and his power that will likely be much like Hardhome from the show" so... thanks.
Ryder Thompson
Nice "save". Stop larping as a bookfag and go back to r/freefolk
Jonathan Johnson
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Justin Long
Originally his goal was just to kill everything so the show had a big final boss for everyone to rally against, but in the end he was just there to waste everyone's time.
Luis Watson
Fuck off nigger
Camden Morris
>This is what people call the greatest show ever
Carter Myers
The Children of the Forest created the White Walkers to fight against the First Men, which you would know from watching the show.
there are only two scenes in the books with white walkers. the first scene where the nights watch men get ambushed by walkers, and the scene where sam stabs the walker with dragonglass. that's all we have seen from them. the battle of the fist of the first men happened, but that was all wights and no walkers were seen there. so we dont know if there is a king of the others in the books. the only night king in the book is the nights king, and that is just some legendary story about a lord commander who married a wight, took over the night fort, and claimed himself king.
Juan Scott
>>>reddit hugbox
John Brooks
>children of forest have grenades, magic so strong they can turn a guy into a immortal necromancer who can raise thousands of dead >they somehow lose to men Ahahaha this show
Matthew Long
Short answer: He's not in the books
The book WW's seem more like Warcraft undead because they have the inclination to react to the people they encounter, not Snyder Snow Zombies.
It is totally unclear why they do what they do or what their deal is, only that they're coming and they want to kill the living.
It's totally possible the WW's have an Ice Kang and all that but so far we have no information on that front. The (((showrunners))) invented NK so there could be a focal Darth Vader type dread villain who, once he was done being le epic, quickly met his end.
Logan Allen
he also served as a convenient deus ex machina device
Kevin Diaz
they're supposed to look ethereal, and almost translucent. not like this goofy mother fucker.
One of the biggest questions unanswered in the book is why the White Walkers (the Others in the book) are back at this time after 8000 years of nothing. The show never bothered to address this or even have characters ask simply "Why are they back now?" It begged the question that something had to have triggered their return and that this could also lead to a way of defeating them but nada!
It's one of the core problem I feel with the entire story - the book and show start with them then go more into the politics of the world while the White Walkers stay largely in background until Hardhome in the show. It makes GOT/Song of Ice&Fire feel a bit schitzophrenic with two quite different stories - 1) a story of a returning evil which threatens all life and 2) a story about the political manueverings for control of a kingdom. The show ended up handling both rarely poorly making the major threat built up over 8 seasons rather underwhelming and less important than the politics which we were told was less important than the ice zombies.
Sebastian Morales
wtf i thought he was in it and he has like a night queen also
Nathan White
Fuck off nigger
Jose Gomez
That's the Night's King, he was human and was executed by the starks a few thousand years ago. He did get to fuck a qt white Walker chick though so might have been worth it.
Xavier Garcia
name?
Jeremiah Ross
They are supposed to be beautiful and shit, basically like elves. They aren't supposed to have withered faces like that.
Ryder Gonzalez
No, the White Walkers started destroying everyone, so the First Men and the Children of the Forest joined together to fight them. Once they were driven up north, they built The Wall.
Colton Lewis
They're not mindless robots in the show either, watch at around 3:00
Driving him up north and building a giant magic wall instead of just stabbing him
Parker Cooper
Can we please stop calling them 'White Walkers' for fuck's sake? It's such a stupid name.
Juan Bennett
For more information the character referred to as "The Night King" was never a White Walker in the first place. He was an old Lord Commander of The Night's Watch who sold out for some White Walker pussy and was killed for it. Whether its an undead woman or an actual WW (aka Others in the books) we don't know. Others are also said to look ethereally beautiful in the books and have armour and weapons made of razor-sharp crystals and ice which reflect light.
As far as we are aware the Others have no formal leader and all act independently as a group. They are also intelligent and have their own language. They are not a hivemind tied to a single big baddy leader. That was just made for the show to have a convenient excuse to kill all the undead in one go.
The closest thing in the books that can attributed to the show's Night King is The Great Other, who is meant to be the antithesis of R'hollor.
that white walker that jon snow fought and killed looked way cooler than that faggot. he doesn't look imposing or scary at all, he just looks stupid.
Brandon Morgan
Based post
Wyatt Garcia
Wasn't their return due to Mance doing something which caused them to reawaken?
Eli Johnson
We don't know in the books if they're a hivemind either. Stop talking out your ass.
Juan Brooks
Characters from the books call them that, mostly freefolk if I remember right
David Perry
George must have shared his chapters with DnD because that episode was too Kino for those two faggots, nice dubs btw
Charles Gomez
Some people (idiots) try to compare the Night King to Sauron of LOTR.
This is laughably idiotic and a product of shallow critical thinking. Both stories have the return of an enemy after a long absence - Sauron after 3500 years and the Night King after 8000. The big difference is Sauron had far more of a presence in his world. He appeared in ancient stories of the First Age being a main antagonist in the story of Beren&Luthien, a story still known in the Third Age. In the Second Age Sauron had a huge impact in manipulating the creation of the rings of power and later manipulating the Numeroreans into attacking the Valar which led to the island's sinking and subsequently the founding Of Gondor and Arnor leading all the way to the Return of the King ie Aragorn. Sauron created so much havoc over a long period time controlling much of Middle Earth at the time before a great alliance was formed to take him down. So with all that it explains why even after 3000 years there is still a memory of Sauron that even the easy-going late-comers the Hobbits have a dim memory about those events. Both directly&indirectly Sauron had a huge impact on the history of Middle Earth which led to the situations that opened LOTR. He casts a long shadow.
In contrast the White Walkers showed up once and once only and although they originally had a huge impact leading to the creation of a major wall and an organization to man said wall, they had absolutely no influence on the vast majority of the history of their world. They were sooooo long ago that it's a wonder that anyone remembered them at all even as a dim memory or that they they would keep the Night Watch going for such a long time. Andal Invasion, Valyrian Dragon Empire, Targaryan Conquest&shit ton of wars had nothing to do with them. They cast such a short shadow that they seem more like guest stars in a story that actually opened with them.
Evan Parker
no
Jacob Gonzalez
Have sex
Blake Stewart
They talk among one another in the books, in their first scene. They're ridiculing the ranger they're fighting in a language that sounds like ice splitting apart. They wouldn't need to talk if they were a hivemind.
Kevin Gonzalez
True, but people south of the wall call them the Others.
Jaxson Moore
No NK in the books. It's Dabid writing. Also tldr
Kayden Thomas
I disagree with that logic. A hivemind doesn't need to be absolute.
Jace Evans
by your logic humans are a hivemind
Luke Young
Straw man.
Wyatt Anderson
have sex
Landon Gutierrez
audibly laughed, thanks user
Henry Hill
Nope. It won't be shown in the books. It already happened and none of the POV characters were there so we only hear about it.
Daniel Howard
I think ultimately Martin himself doesn't really understand the Others/White Walkers. For someone against fantasy tropes he couldn't escape doing one of the biggest ones: the return of an ancient evil but as time went on he apparently became more enamored in the politics and histories of his world that had nothing to do with the Others to the point they have become interlopers in a story where they don't belong. I wouldn't doubt that has the story developed he didn't curse himself for introducing them in the first place because it forces him to have to deal with the questions of why they have returned, what is their goal (particularly in the book as we don't even know their origins yet), what kind of intelligence/culture they have. He seems far more interested in writing the political historical story and putting the fantasy story of the spooky ice elves on the back burner until he can come with something to explain them (or just die of a heartache and be free of the obligation of doing so).
Asher Ward
this, say what you will about D&D but they at least tried to deliver the goods
Isaiah Ortiz
in the books, is it viewed as the white walkers are on the march? or does nobody know what the fuck is going on with them?
Thomas Peterson
They're not necessarily evil though. We know almost nothing about them in the books. The show is what turned them into the stupid evil fantasy trope.
Nathan Mitchell
agreed. I just don't like how they were handled in the end but before that D&D at least put them more forward as opposed to the books where they practically disappear under the weight of so many other plotlines that have nothing to do with them.
Hunter Hughes
Imagine you wake up in 8000 years in the future and the world is filled with niggers and technological and social progress actually regressed.
Benjamin Howard
Nobody really has any idea. GRRM has repeatedly stated that TWOW will flesh out the Others at last, but as lacklustre as the show's explanation was I doubt the book one will be any better. As that other user said, GRRM doesn't really care about the Others or know what to do with them.
Lincoln Powell
>say what you will about D&D but they at least tried to deliver the goods
Haha. More like they took a shit on the goods and lit it on fire, and then jerked themselves off onto the burning pile of shitty goods in front of us all. I guarantee you the books will deliver a much better story of the Others.
Grayson Young
This is why you should write your story out first, read it through, edit it or even redo it if you really have to and then fucking release it rather than release part of it then go "oh no I fucked up somewhere but can't change it because it's already released" and put yourself in writing hell for FUCKING YEARS.
You're saying the guy that planned R+L=J and Hodor plots and sprinkled clues about them from book one doesn't have any plan for the Others, which we are introduced to in the very first chapter of the first book? Come on, now. He clearly had some plan in his head for them.
Kevin Russell
would the pusy be cold tho
Aiden Wood
Almost every major point about the Others presented in the show will be the same in the books.
>created by the Children >went rogue >hivemind control of zombies (though probably no Night King/Great Other)
Imo, the only difference is that the Westerosi will find a way to negotiate with them and end the war. It sounds retarded but it's exactly the type of S U B V E R S I V E shit that GRRM loves. Plus, it would've been very difficult to pull that off in the show so it's understandable that D&D just went for the EBIN battle sequence.
Bentley Carter
>You're saying the guy that planned R+L=J and Hodor plots and sprinkled clues about them from book one doesn't have any plan for the Others, which we are introduced to in the very first chapter of the first book? No, we're saying his 'plan' was simplistic and underwhelming.
Julian Hughes
the night king as an ancient superweapon created by the forest-elf-things to destroy the first men. it's implied that he has some greenseeing powers like the 3ER, so after he was confined to the north by the wall he just kinda dicked around until he knew he'd have access to a dragon to burn it down. he was more or less just a robot with a single directive. i don't have too many complaints with the lore or whatever, i always thought the "bran as night king" thing was a little farfetched, but it's just stupid he was dealt with in a single episode. season 7 should've been exclusively for the night king and season 8 should've been when the war for the iron throne restarted. the entire arc as it stands had zero impact, who did we really lose because of him, jorah and warrior jesus?
Jackson Robinson
this, Others should've at least steamrolled the North and the Riverlands before they were stopped.
Henry Cruz
>until he knew he'd have access to a dragon to burn it down. This is another problem - some people argue the White Walkers/Others came back both in book and show because of the return of dragons completely ignoring the facts we were already told in both: that there were a fuck-ton of dragons in the past with Valryia's empire for thousands of years and Targaryans had dragons for nearly 200 hundred years so Dany having 3 and only bringing them to Westeros years after the White Walkers were already stirring doesn't make sense. It also doesn't make sense that the only thing that that brought a dragon to the NK was a stupid plan to convince Cersei about the danger of the White Walkers which failed because 5 minutes after seeing a wight, she decides to betray them anyway making the entire plan pointless.
Anthony Wood
The plot points themselves aren't the problem, it was the delivery.
You don't even know what his plan is.
Easton Price
GOT used to be about consequences of actions. The White Walkers should have showed up outside King's Landing making Cersei regret her petty treachery. Instead the writers inadvertantly made her right in ignoring their calls for help since the White Walkers never made it past Winterfell and her armies were unneeded.
Lucas Robinson
>You don't even know what his plan is. Yes I do, I watched the series. I doubt D&D made very drastic changes to it.
Don't worry you'll find out the "Night King"™'s motivation in one of the many "Game of Thrones"™ prequels coming soon to "HBO GO"™, so make sure not to cancel your subscription!
>You don't even know what his plan is. I don't think Martin does either or he would have already finished book 6 detailing the Others instead of leaving it up to D&D to figure it out on their own.
Fact is, writers often change their minds when creating their stories. Look at the original drafts of LOTR Tolkien wrote. The difference is he didn't publish the first part while still writing the rest. A lot of writers in the past tended to finish their stories before publishing them or at least fleshed out the core story in their mind.
The further the books have gotten along the further from the Others they have gotten probably because they no longer seemed interesting to Martin in comparison to Red and Purple Weddings, trial by combat with the Viper and the Mountain, the faceless men assassins, the Iron Bank's power, the Wildlings vs the Night Watch, things which have nothing to do with the Others at all.
Lucas Jackson
You have to remember that Asoiaf is basically a fantasy war of the roses with the addition of the theme "war bad" "feudalism bad" Dragons are the equivalent of nukes in the power play, as Martin stated himself. The Others are the force that doesn't care about politics and will come to mess with everyone. They are literally Martin's version of climate change.
Another funny about the show is when the characters mainly Jon Snow and Bran bring up names such as the Night King and Three-eyed Raven like those have any meaning to the other characters in the story.
Jon Snow: "I've seen the Night King!" Sorry, who the hell is that?
Bran: "I'm the 3-eyed Raven!" uh, ok?
Tyrion: "Bran became the 3-eyed Raven so he should be king." Say, what? Look, unknown persons living in trees is no basis for a form of government.
Mason Morales
so just like in real life climate change is utterly inconsequential based and redpilled
Adam Kelly
>The people speak English >They call their country England
Isaac Green
>Was there anything in the show that I missed that would make this guy not a complete shit-tier "I am evil, I wanna kill everything"-villain? No
Gavin Martin
The Night King one in particular infuriates me. They could at least provide some context, like the NK being a legendary figure that children like Bran are told about. Have the Night King actually have some relevance to Westerosi history.
Luis Anderson
He is like a force of nature. He was summoned by a ritual to the death god (opposite side of the coin to Melisandre’s lord of light) when the children of the forest needed a weapon against humans who were encroaching on their home.
He doesn’t have any more free will than a hurricane or tornado. He represents death.
Obsessing over the past instead of focusing on the present and future leads humans to ruin.
Kill the memory that has existed and the world can move forward. Or do jack shit and let Coimate Change or the Scharzwaltz consume humanity because Gaia is tired of mankinds shit.
Angel Gutierrez
In Dabid's vision, yes
Aaron Lee
exactly. The whole thing seems wonky because of these unconnected things which have little impact on the story's universe. Night King seems like he wandered in from another story universe.
Josiah Hughes
if you audibly laughed then how come I didn't hear it, faggot?
Zachary Edwards
because you're deaf
Jace Ross
can i achieve this mode natty?
Dylan Robinson
He will probably show up in the next book
Juan Mitchell
>He was summoned by a ritual to the death god (opposite side of the coin to Melisandre’s lord of light) when the children of the forest needed a weapon against humans who were encroaching on their home. we were never told that it was a ritual to the death god and the Children of the Forest had good reasons to create the White Walkers to preserve themselves against the First Men. The Lord of Light vs the Other (god) is from the books and was never really made clear in the show. Speaking of Lord of Light, he's also some shadowy figure who was never explained - like where did he come from, what things did he do in the world, what's his promise to people, etc?
Gavin Torres
The writers wanted to cash in on the zombie craze but at the worst possible time
Juan Smith
Ice Zombies is a nice take on it for once.
Too bad they botched it!
Lincoln Evans
This guy doesn't even exist in the books.
Gabriel Turner
Books are not finished, and there is no show Night King in the books. At least so far. There's a character called Night's King, but he is pretty different. And books don't really explain the White Walkers either, their true origin and what is their ultimate goal. As for show. Well, it explained the Night King. I don't know, why do you people keep asking that. He was created by the Children of the Forest to destroy humans. They are basically magical terminators and that's it. The only unanswered question is why they turned on their creators. youtube.com/watch?v=aMZ9y4jahHs
Dominic Torres
It's different, but the brainless monsters trudging after the characters has had its day. It's just a way for the writers ro bypass any development or motivation. Just make them killing machines and it bypasses a lot of explanation.
Luis Flores
in the books we dont even know what the white walkers want or if they are bad/friendly/reasonable/etc. There are no white walker characters as of yet, and may never be. We simply dont understand them yet. There is reason to believe that in GRRMs world the white walkers are just one of many humanoid races, who were once the same animal. This happened on Earth before the success of us humans, and there was even interbreeding like what Hodor may have been.
Lincoln Bailey
neger
Christopher Davis
>The (((showrunners))) George is a jew, too.
Aiden Ortiz
Alright split the difference
Austin Rivera
Well Daeny becomes his Night Queen but we haven't actually gotten that far yet. Source: my word
>in the books we dont even know what the white walkers want or if they are bad/friendly/reasonable/etc. this leaks into the show with the symbols begging the question what were the White Walkers/Others trying to communicate? In the books, we still don't know and it could be a huge surprise but in the show the symbols mean nothing except like a cartoonish villain saying "We vant to suck your blood! Blah! Blah!"
I don't understand how he can says he do not like magic / fantasy while he puts Dragons, undeads, ice specter, resurrection and magic overall
Jonathan Bell
>the brainless monsters trudging after the characters has had its day
If they weren't just mindlessly evil it would be different. The Others in the books seem more like the Fey. I had assumed they just wanted to expand their territory which isn't evil. The wights are different from zombies because they're controlled by necromancers and can take purposeful actions that are the will of the necromancers, they can also use weapons. All of their actions are purposeful they're not just running to eat brains. They attack when they can because the Others are attacking men but they can just stand their harmlessly too. THis makes them a very different threat and enemy with zombies but the show screwed their chances.
Noah Evans
he also says he hates fantasy tropes mainly pointing at Tolkien yet he started his whole series with a big fantasy trope having a spooky evil return after a long time. He's like Gollum/Smeagol in his approach at his story.
GRRM Gollum: "GOLLUM! GOLLUM! NOOOOOOO!!!! WE HATES IT!!!! HATES IT!!! FOREVER!!!! We's put nasty ice elfs in backgroundes and focus on juicy politices, precious, with scrumptious murderseses and bewbies! YES!!! YES!!! We does that!!!
GRRM Smeagol: "but but won'ts some readereses nots likes this?
GRRM Gollum: "FUCKS THEM!!!! FUCKS THEM FOREVER!!!! GOLLUM!!! GOLLUM!!!"
Cooper Cooper
jesus christ, are all tolkienfags this insane?
Jack King
Keked hard and couldn't have said better
Justin Cruz
Fire was ascendant during the Valyrian Empire, the Dragonlords would have just torched the entire North and gone home. Dany's dragons are enough to reawaken magic everywhere, but few enough to contend with. The symbols are like a vevè, they draw down magic for the Others to use. I'm pretty sure this is what is really going on with the books. Don't expect to get any solid answers about the Others, just a post-action chapter where one character shudders about how awful the battle was and how many corpses they need to burn now, and another one tells them to shut up and stop thinking about it.
Jaxson Garcia
>Let's kick some ICE! Was this line really necessary?
>Fire was ascendant during the Valyrian Empire, the Dragonlords would have just torched the entire North and gone home. Dany's dragons are enough to reawaken magic everywhere, but few enough to contend with. > (You) >The symbols are like a vevè, they draw down magic for the Others to use. those are just guesses which have not been addressed in show or book so saying "it is" like a fact is rather erroneous.
Brayden Gray
uh...what? How does that have anything to with the Old Gods and the Seven Gods which was the main religion in the story ?It's like a completely different mythology from some other story
Samuel Butler
>yet >Implying we ever will
Jaxon Reyes
It's obvious to anyone who's read the books that this is all supposition, and I'm not interested in coddling showfags.
Aaron Lee
>It's obvious In your opinion not in fact. There is a difference between established fact and guessed opinion if you aren't autistic
Justin Johnson
Yes
Easton Jackson
The white walker chooses not to kill Jon a thousand times in that clip, because he's read the script and knows Jon has to survive.
Robert Evans
What is Jon Snow’s point in the books if there is no NK?
Eli Wood
Jon Snow is currently dead in the books and since death is not cheap in ASOIAF, it's theorized Jon isn't brought back quite right. Jon, the person, might warg into Ghost (prophetic name), while his body will be possessed by something else.
>(less autistically) don't use words you don't understand
Jeremiah Rogers
>They cast such a short shadow that they seem more like guest stars in a story that actually opened with them.
Elsewhere in this thread, someone asks why the Others show up now.
I assumed that another "Long Night" super long Winter was just coming. The Others move South with the Winter. In their wake they kill all men they come across, unneeded competitors.
In the books I expected maybe a 5-year timeskip with the Others just lay waste to the world of men and everyone is Westeros freezing and starving along with attacking wights being a problem ("Winter is Coming"). The battle against the Others requires great sacrifice and rather than all being annihilated maybe they are just driven back so a Wall is still needed.
Everyone goes back to their petty squabbles, but in a new harsher, winter world making it more like the Scouring of the Shire where the huge war had a big impact on everyone even though Sauron was defeated.
Instead the WW seemed out of place and S6 had a split personality with neither plot focus being done well at all. Also why the last books would be called A DREAM of Spring, Spring could be decades, hundreds of years off.
Thomas Johnson
You're right, someone sperging out and imagining a conversation between a GRRM version of Gollum and Smeagol is the result of something much more severe than autism
Robert Nguyen
>when hardhome happens user it already happened but Jon didn’t go personally because that would be retarded It’s a disaster and one of the reasons he gets stabbed for being a shit leader
Jacob Robinson
fucking destroyed
Mason Reed
Nigger I G G E R
Joshua Carter
Doesn’t he actually love Tolkien ? I’m fairly sure he said that he reads tlotr every few years
Jayden Taylor
Tolkien did this as well >it’s called Rivendell >it’s in a riven dell It’s everywhere irl >it’s called Cambridge >it has a bridge over the river Cam >it’s called Paris >the tribe that lived there were the Parisii >it’s called Tokyo, the capital east of the old one >Tokyo literally means eastern capital This is super common in the real world and if you don’t realise it you’re a brainlet Martin can be criticised for many things like his shitty prose and “the more she drank” but most of his names aren’t that stupid ‘The dreadfort’ is a silly name though, anime tier naming desu
Nolan Lopez
The books also say that dragons cant cross the wall
Xavier Cook
Real Englishmen speak cornish actually
Brayden Kelly
They explain that he's a weapon the COTF lost control of but they never explain why he's suddenly attacking now after thousands of years.
The term English refers to Angles or Anglo Saxons who were Germanic and settled primarily in south eastern England Cornish is Celtic, more similar to welsh sand Gaelic and therefore not Germanic like English Cornish scum should remember that they aren’t special and couldn'tdefend their lands from the chad Germanic conquerors
Noah Murphy
It's going to be sufficiently advanced technology in the books. Screencap this.
Levi Peterson
>I assumed that another "Long Night" super long Winter was just coming. The Others move South with the Winter. After 8000 years of plenty of Winters that came and went? What makes this Winter any special than the thousands that came before it?
Dominic Collins
the show dumped that idea as three flew over it with no problem so I guess in the books GRRM will have the Others cross the Wall another way.
Adrian Price
You tell him Negroid
Christopher Lewis
CVRNISH bulls have appropriated the term English from the Saxon dog
Jose Johnson
Reminder that CVRNWALL despite being vastly outnumbered earned a special treatment within the Anglo-Saxon kingdom until they got conquered by France (lmao)
Liam Thompson
It could be the horn of winter
Bentley Nelson
This is the problem with people trying to tie the return of the WW/Others to the coming Winter or the return of dragons when there were tons of winters in the past and by the sound of it before the WW first appeared while there were also plenty of dragons around in Essos and Westeros so neither Winter coming or Dragons returning are a sufficient reason for the return of the WW at this time. There has to be another reason.
Kevin Hall
>conquered by France More like conquered by a single french province >the absolute state of Harold Godwinson
Tyler Moore
>Harold Godwinson He was so close to being the absolute Chad of England defeating two invasions and Welsh >people until he got shot in the eye
>What was the point of this Ice Nigger trying to destroy all history and kill everything? >He obviously has some sort level of free will and a high intelligence, so I'd assume there is some form of logic behind what he was doing, so what was his endgame? Also I'd ask did he have any plans to go to Essos if he killed everyone in Westeros? It seems in the story NK was only a Westeros problem so why didn't everyone go to Essos to avoid being turned into an ice zombie? He was designed by the Children of the Forest to drive out the First Men and unless he can freeze the entire ocean to walk across or get zombies to row boats, Essos sounds like they'd all be ok. And given how easily Daenerys knocked over 3 major city states, Westeros could have carved out a new 7 Kingdoms in Essos without much problem and left the land of long winters and ice zombies far behind.
Adam Hall
>welsh >people >acknowledging the welsh as he subhumans they truly are Absolutely based
they named this place thousands of years ago knowing this would happen? And how does Winter fall for good when winter happened before and after the white walkers appeared so long ago?
Carson Nelson
>>you are insulting the true sons of Britannia Celts were invaders as well. They didn't build Stone Henge as they weren't that smart.
Dominic Watson
Shut the fuck up NIGGER
Leo Hughes
He goes out like an even bigger bitch. Seriously anyone who thinks WotLK was anything other than a pure butchery of the character is dirty wowfag
Henry Richardson
Cry like the Anglo twink I am
Christian Scott
Give his land to English nobles and erode his culture Then send him off to fight in France with a longbow while I fuck his wife They may be subhumans but they make decent slampigs Or I guess if a welsh woman was your slam pig she’d be a slam sheep
Nicholas Barnes
The Welsh bull built Stonehenge
Joseph Martinez
I don't know, he isn't in the books.
Brody Fisher
>conquers England in the name of the dragon >liberates England from the frogs >Saxon dogs think this is the first English king since harold Oh am I laffin
Maybe he and the actual Corpse Queen who seems to be in control return. Who knows. Or maybe Lady Stoneheart (aka Zombie Queen Catelyn Stark) takes his role which the fucking show cut.
Noah Cook
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Eli Gray
They are meant to be eerily beautiful yes. The "corpse queen" (called corpse only by her parlor) of the Night's King (a former Lord Commander of the Night's Watch who got mad) was indeed breathtaking. We don't know what happened to her after her "husband" died, but the way she's described, it's clearly an Other. That's what we know based on Bran I think sharing some old tale.
It's like the show merged the Others/Corpse Queen and the Lord Commander who called himself Night's King into one character and invented some stupid backstory.
>It's like the show merged the Others/Corpse Queen and the Lord Commander who called himself Night's King into one character and invented some stupid backstory. What mucks it up more is they have a DVD extra detailing the Night's King of the book and his meeting of the White Walker woman so that Night's King and the one running around raising the dead both exist in the history of that world. When Jon tells people that he's seen the Night King, they should have been confused as we are - "do you mean the crazy Night Watch Commander or the leader of the White Walkers?" And the thing is they never addressed the WW Night King in those histories. They just say the WW showed up and were beaten by heroes who later formed the Night Watch. So really no one should even know the WW had a leader since no one ever mentioned him existing before.
Plus where did that WW woman come from since in their new incarnation they were all males? And how did the Night's King fall in love with essentially an icicle?
Josiah Morales
>Debate me saxonoid I support the pre-celtic peoples of the Isles
Ayden Hall
>Was there anything in the show that I missed that would make this guy not a complete shit-tier "I am evil, I wanna kill everything"-villian? Yes. Death, nor it's envoy, are evil.