What happened to 2D animation films?
What happened to 2D animation films?
Daniel Murphy
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Jaxon Fisher
Way too terrifying
Eli Hall
All their jobs got shipped to Korea, then strangely there were no more 2D visionaries to helm 2D projects.
Justin Long
They cost more money to make than they made back, required too much actual talent, and are outdated compared to cg.
Wyatt Moore
why are they wearing capes?
Adrian Johnson
They found out that 3d films we're easier to make and made more money. We are starting to see that market get driven into the ground and it's only a matter of time before kino 2d returns
Robert Rodriguez
It's only a matter of time until we get animated kino back.
Colton Bennett
Isaac Robinson
requires way too much talent and creativity
soulless capitalism wants the biggest return for less
Thomas Sullivan
Jayden Smith
Zachary Powell
Jose Watson
...
Justin Thompson
The same firms that are doing all the CGI would be the firms doing all the 2D. So there’s no winning.
Camden Murphy
Related to animated films.
Anthony Hernandez
Why does the shawl change colour in the middle of the first sequence?
Henry Roberts
Sadly the story is meh/shit and characters the same
Luis Murphy
>he wants to see naked rodents
you're a pervert
Isaiah Garcia
It's in shitty quality.
Jayden Wood
Thomas Scott
People just liked the 3DC look more
Joseph Baker
Thomas Gray
No, 3D is so easy, cheap and requires so little actual skill that anybody who finished a course can do it, that's why we're getting so many of these films. 2D is just the opposite and the firms would see it as unprofitable and would never do it.
Jaxson Carter
Jonathan Moore
Aaron Brown
They stopped making enough money compared to CGI films. Disney would keep pumping them out if they made more.
Eli Collins
Too expensive. You could make like 6 CGI vomits with the time and money it takes for one of your pic related.
Jaxson Martinez
>3D is so easy, cheap and requires so little actual skil
Same goes for 99.9% of the work involved in 2D.
Ethan Torres
I really want the return of horrific Watership Down-tier shit. I wish we had the guts and the available talent to do it here in Britain. Unfortunately we've somehow become a nation of cowards and overly fussy mothers who don't realise their children are actually property of the state.
Andrew Green
Juan Allen
the real problem is, Disney felt their early 2000s efforts weren't garnering attention because people wanted CG, which is partially trie, but the fact that all those movies were really underwhelming and didn't have any of the DNA needed to reach classic status was a major factor they totally overlooked.
Christian Powell
Audiences stopped going to them so Hollywood stopped producing them.
Joseph Turner
People got bored of it, it’s not really about capitalism. The best of western 2D animation is beautiful but also sort of boring, vs anime which is actually creepy if you stare at it long enough but is basically visual crack that can make any retarded story entertaining.
Carson Wood
Totally agreed.
Noah Bennett
This really isn't a good showcase for 2D animation because the Iron Giant himself is a CG character.
Jack Ross
Hollywood never has and never will respect animation.
Lucas Green
Jackson Reed
Yeah, definitely. Not a great example to show. Iron Giant does have CG animation mixed with good 2D animation, however.
Landon Taylor
Everything besides the Giant was 2D and actually fantastic looking, though. Brad Bird brought the character designer to Pixar to do The Incredibles too. I can't help but wonder how cool it could have looked if it was done in 2D with a similar or bigger budget than The Iron Giant. I wish we could have seen that.
Isaac Brown
What the hell are you talking about man, they did a god-awful reimagining of treasure island, a story so seminal that everyone already knew it by heart even if they were totally illiterate. How could that not set the world on fire? It even had robin williams playing the most obnoxious character ever put on screen!
Elijah Butler
John Price
that a ton of 2D animation goes into the pre-production of most 3D films makes all this doubly annoying
Jayden Ross
Luke Roberts
>""""""Outdated"""""""
>looks infinitely better than "current" technology
What a stupid meme word to apply to 2D animation. Every time I see a movie reviewer say you "can't do animated anymore," I feel a violent anger. What a condescending and completely arbitrary conviction. "We have computers now, we just have to 3D model everything now. There's no choice." Fuck you.
Parker Parker
Iron Giant and Atlantis probably have my favorite character designs I've seen from animated movies.
Xavier White
it's a shame. 2d animation is much more versatile than 3d.
I'm sure there are some exceptions, but most 3d stuff looks more or less the same.
Brayden Ross
It happens sometimes. 2D kino is out there. Even Beauty & The Beast merged 2D hand animation with 3D modeling. That's perfectly fine to marry the two as long as the soul of the film is animated.
Lincoln Jones
Wouldn't it be great if those image AI that increase the amount of detail in a picture could be used to cost-cut on traditional animation? Do less than great drawings and let the AI do the rest.
Its the most I can hope for I think, some bastardization (thanks spellcheck) of the two.
Cooper Bell
Only boomers will remember rewinding the VHS tape to find the tits.
Nathaniel Brooks
Contrary what tends to be the common assumption, 2D films are actually cheaper and easier to make. It really seems to be the case that people are drawn in to the allure of the advance of technology that CGI represents, despite 2D not really aging like CGI does, and also despite us having had 30 years to see the law of diminishing returns begin to hit CGI animation.
Carson Anderson
Jonathan Parker
Best scene in that movie.
Lincoln Morales
Dominic Reed
Parker Peterson
>3d films are "cheaper"
>hiring nine billion people and one rigger is somehow cheaper
ever actually look at how many vsfx artists work on any given film? it's ridiculous
Aaron Torres
Colton Lewis
>hiring nine billion people and one rigger is somehow cheaper
Not to mention the render farms. Compositing 2D animation can be done on a single machine.
Juan Walker
Caleb Brown
Every day I'm grateful that nips can't into 3D animation because while it does cause some things to look like shit, there is almost no chance of them completely switching like the west did.
Jose Davis
protip: this scene is an extravagant rip-off of the climax of Lupin III: The Castle of Cagliostro. Disney certainly had their eyes on what Japan was putting out
>Lion King = Kimba the White Lion influence
>Atlantis = Nadia: Secret of Blue Water influence
Nathan Carter
CLANK CLANK CLANK CLANK
Jonathan King
Joseph Jenkins
was bored enough.
how to drain your dragon had ~90-100 listed as vsfx
empreror's new groove
stopped counting at ~250 listed under animation
Chase Stewart
James Turner
Secret of NHIM
Connor Jackson
ummmmmmmmm film?
Isaiah Johnson
They can with the right people, it depends on the studio.
Jackson Price
whoops, replied to wrong post, meant for
Dylan Morales
sinbab 2003
Caleb King
this is peak 2d kino. nothing has ever been attempted to outdo it because it require a big budget and ultimate autism.
Hudson Anderson
They went past their cel by date.
Brayden Myers
That's a short with a ton of effort put in. Anime series are hammered out one after another, they could never maintain anything close to that level for more than an episode
Jason Flores
FUCK YOU CARLOS!
Daniel Foster
Too expensive to make and out of the interest of our current year zoomers
David Collins
Atlantis is kinda cheating since it's Mike Mignola.
Hunter King
2D costs the same forever
3D has a model ready for molds, ready for sequels, ready for TV spinoffs.
not to say 3D can't have soul, it's just ready for merchandising day one
Angel Taylor
CG+2D
Logan Young
a lot of the most popular 2d animations are just stupid furry shit, good riddance
Alexander Lopez
Carlos you begrudgingly get bonus points for actually spelling "cel" correctly
Ryder Cruz
Jayden Clark
and that's from the sequel.
Asher Flores
Not really man. We have more recent popular furry shit in 3D animation including Zootopia.
Connor Jenkins
Luis Cruz
Jace Perez
Muh dick
Jason Harris
Levi Evans
Parker Smith
Easton Rivera
Evan Smith
I just don't know anymore.
Gabriel Rodriguez
Justin Hall
>Anime series are hammered out one after another, they could never maintain anything close to that level for more than an episode
You should check out Houseki no Kuni, it's a series with a real focus on character animation, leagues above the hopelessly robotic animation you usually see.
Unfortunately I have to good webm to offer, was just scouring archived Yea Forums threads and for whatever reason the fanbase for this show only produces obnoxiously short, tumblr-tier webms, got fed up.
also, it's not a series, but I feel the animation team for Precure has got some good results with their experimentations with CG
Jose Carter
based.
Benjamin Bell
The problem with Japanese CG is that they try and animate it at the same amout of frames as normal 2D anime. Shit just looks weird.
Ryder Watson
it created furfags
Levi Lee
Luis Adams
If this image is meant to be a criticism, I don't feel it's a valid one. There was a clear effort to recreate them under a unified, more cohesive art style, and that's just fine in my opinion.
My only complaint is that they did all this just for a few scenes in such a mediocre movie when they should've just bit the bullet and made a straight princess crossover movie.
Jaxon Torres
Nice GIF user, got anymore?
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Aiden Morales
>Unfortunately I have to good webm to offer
*no good
Landon Mitchell
it moved to a new media
Kayden Bailey
>tfw no hand-drawn digital 2D art a la Samurai Jack S5
Anthony Hernandez
For me, it's Watership Down.
Hunter Adams
Andrew Richardson
William Ward
Damn, heavy shit
Brayden Moore
Yes, here it is
*unzips dick*
Zachary Allen
Black Cauldron looked good visually but everything else about it was a letdown. Really wish the plot and characters were better
>Gives a legendary artifact to totally trustworthy witches to bring back to life the most annoying character of the film
Ayden Butler
3D cartoons are literally just digital puppet shows which are a lot cheaper than drawing.
Connor Mitchell
Adam Jackson
For me, it's Valhalla.
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Thomas Clark
How do 2D fags even compete?
Ryan Robinson
this just look at how spirted away was gawked at when it won an oscar a few years back
Noah Diaz
Hudson Torres
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Post underrated animation kino.
David Russell
>Disaster Seen As Catastrophe Looms
Jordan Lopez
Holy shit all these movies from childhood. Pretty sure my parents still have the tapes of them all. Anyone got webms of that troll with green thumb movie?
Chase Price
Camden Thomas
Keep up with the news, user
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Lincoln Ross
Julian Thompson
im ready for ungakino
Colton Richardson
that movie sucks ass
Jonathan Gutierrez
Xavier Hall
Cooper Mitchell
Wyatt Rivera
>Maleficent will never poof herself into your room uninvited to do nefarious things
Cameron Foster
Even in cartoon movies chinks die due to insane accidents.
Cameron Barnes
Juan Evans
*teleports in front of you*
*cuts off ur dick with katana*
heh... try again next time kiddo...
Michael Brown
Easton Watson
Adrian Perez
Reminds me of the Doctor from Treasure Planet.
John Gutierrez
because it's actually the same animator
Ryan Wright
>it was dummy the whole time
>N-Nani
>"He... I killes you twenty minutes ago"
Nathaniel Torres
At least we'll always have the Japanese and the French...
Levi Myers
they used CGI for this
Jacob Rivera
Wyatt Howard
Joseph Sanders
Sauce?
Michael Powell
>Secret of Nimh budget - 7 million USD
>Adjusted for inflation, -$18,537,160.62
>Uglydolls, the cheapest CGI wide release shat out this year- $45 million
Might wanna think that.
Elijah Baker
The talent doesn't exist and the masses have no taste. Humanity is over, it's all downhill from here.
Josiah Hughes
>Might wanna think that.
rethink, user
Jonathan Thompson
Every time someone makes a post about how "CGI is just so cheap and easy, that's why they do it! The studios don't wanna put in the REAL money, like 2D would cost!" I get another laugh.
2d Is so crazy cheap compared to lazy CGI its insane. Can you believe a technical masterwork like Lion King barely cost 60 million, while fucking Shrek 2 cost 150 million? Beauty and the Beast didn't even break 50 million in cost but somehow that recycled ass Despicable Me 2 movie cost 76! Lorax cost 70! LORAX! CGI is so damn expensive for what it brings.
Gavin Brooks
Yeah the cost isn't money, it's the time and effort of master-level artists. CGI is easier to shit out. Disney have endless money but not much real artistic talent left.
Adam Cruz
Land Before Time, adjusted for inflation, isn't even a third of Smallfoot. Smallfoot fucking cost 80 million dollars to make. For that price you could've done the Little Mermaid AND Aladdin and still had money to spare, adjusted for inflation. CGI budgets will blow your fucking mind.
Leo Young
>Beauty and the Beast didn't even break 50 million in cost but somehow that recycled ass Despicable Me 2 movie cost 76! Lorax cost 70! LORAX! CGI is so damn expensive for what it brings.
unless you're accounting for inflation, they may be cheaper
Henry James
Bentley Bell
>unless you're accounting for inflation, they may be cheaper
I am. Beauty and the Beast adjusted for inflation is $46,906,754.77, or less than half the $105 million budget of the last Ice Age movie.
We could have 2 Beauty and the Beast level masterpieces for the cost of one ice age movie nobody wanted.
Colton Wood
Nathaniel Lee
What kind of money does it take to make CGI like the warcraft orcs? Blizzard puts out some gorgeous CGI trailers for their games. I'm not sure if it's more of a matter of time or cost for that kind of quality
Gavin Foster
Thief and the cobbler guy?
Ryder Perry
>What kind of money does it take to make CGI like the warcraft orcs?
Within the realm of $160 million since that's how much a feature length film with them cost.
Aaron Sanders
Good thread, keep posting this gold, imma noting down everything I yet need to watch.
Also, I'm a pretty good drawfag, but not with a lot of patience. Should I try animating something? I have ideas and imagery in my mind all the time, but not a lot of drive to draw it all out (since I can basically watch this shit in my head).
Cooper Jackson
>We could have 2 Beauty and the Beast level masterpieces for the cost of one ice age movie nobody wanted.
I don't know that we can, though, these's been a weird mass drop off in skill when it comes particularly to story and writing, for some reason no one is capable of making anything other than irreverent trash, even the supposedly God-tier Pixar movies are mostly trash.
Not Richard Williams, but Neil Boyle, who worked under him.
Angel Young
Andrew Carter
Ian Martinez
Charles Richardson
Blake Sullivan
Henry Adams
we linetests now
Jonathan Parker
I miss the nuance that 2D animation drawled out. 3D animation is like a bad script writer just handing the lines to the actors without really delving in to how the actors should move or react to anything. 2D forces not only the directors, the actors, or even the writers to know what they want to show, but the animators that actually need to convey what the characters actually are.
Camden Brown
Christian Thomas
Charles Cox
Nobody is trained in classical 2D anymore. Disney literally has like six traditional animators left and all they do is make promos for Disneyland. All 2D work these days is relegated to cheap Cal Arts undergraduates who do not have the fundamentals nor the talent to make a worthy resurgence.
Wyatt Rogers
I still think it is hilarious that CG artists still claim their work is as difficult as 2D.
Kevin Jones
Jonathan Moore
>fur clipping into the other foot
Henry Price
Nothing happend, its just too expensive. And you can easily fake 2d animation with 3d anyway.
Gabriel Reyes
2d is way more expensive and time consuming. You obviously have never even opened a 3d modeling software or drew a circle in your life, let alone know shit about anything.
Retain yourself from posting in the future and start lurking again.
Alexander Parker
nature is soulless. capitalism is nature.
it's not the universe's job to make things beautiful. it's not the job of economic truth to make sure your kids are well fed and creative.
and just because it's harsh and gross doesn't mean we get a pass. even the worst religious idealogues - who we understand to be living in denial of science - understand it's our job to work with nature, not against it. it's god's world, not ours. any laws we make are inherently flawed because our minds with all they inherit are infinitely younger than the universe.
don't you EVER blame capitalism for bad movies again. the secret of nimh was born in a capitalist market, and other works of similar caliber are born, across different media, all the time. good day sir.
Brody Bailey
not profitable
Parker Adams
This is the real shit. 2D's biggest hurdle is that it requires hyperspecialised individuals whose training effectively takes decades.
Levi Brooks
I'd say high end CG is more difficult, strictly speaking, but it requires less raw talent. The difference is that you can brute force it with an army of underpaid engineers and graphics programmers.
Jack James
>before disney
>ASIAN MEN ARE ASEXUAL
>after disney
>ASIAN MEN ARE GAY AND ASIAN WOMEN ARE MEN
The fucking irony, bros.
im so glad i wasn't born to a minority race in america where the only allowable content regarding my history degrades men. Thank you, progressive disney, for all your positive work.
Angel Howard
Any 3d animator know 2d animation.
Bentley Ward
you aren't insightful. read the thread.
Daniel Barnes
>Retain yourself from posting in the future
Refrain, and I have done all of those things, I've had my own animation broadcast on national TV.
Kevin Johnson
Brilliant fucking movie.
Sooooooooooopermaaaan....
Elijah Anderson
the difficulty isn't the issue here. can it or can it not be used create something soulful?
Josiah Peterson
of her pls. i remember watching this when i was like 6 or 7
mommy give me milky's
David Reed
what in the fuck...
Jonathan Torres
>soulful
This is all soul so I'm gonna say yes.
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Brayden Hughes
Goddamn Mongorians
Jacob Robinson
Always thought it was weird they hired dobson to animated for that one movie
Jason Williams
>and are outdated compared to cg.
low iq brainlet.
I will explain your own retardation to you with a food analogy, because that's all you can ever grasp.
it's like saying apples are outdated because pears exist.
Blake Wilson
cannot argue with this, pack it up, lads
Evan Richardson
Katzenberg got his revenge in the end.
Grayson James
Not saying it was guaranteed to be better before but it was NOTORIOUSLY fucked up during it's production. Jeffrey Katzenberg just joined WDAS and had no idea how animation productions worked and treated it like a live action film. He wanted to change the story and add/remove scenes on a whim not understanding that he can't just toss finished animation around leading to the new scenes to be rushed, character development and arcs being cut out, continuity errors, and the horrifying sections of the Cauldron Born scene being removed. I still want to see the original product but it's never going to happen
Liam Jones
Levi Gutierrez
3D animation is a lot more technical, which means you need less artistic skill, which is something that is disappearing.
Kevin Sanchez
A little unrelated, but there's a model on Instagram named Stacey E. Walker who does nude and figure drawings for artists at Disney to keep their skills sharp. There is talent there but they no longer get showcased.
Zachary Barnes
Anyone here see Destino? This is what happens when two once in a lifetime artists come together. Damn shame it was never finished.
Mason Thomas
The thought of getting to atlantis and becoming an immortal cumdump for all those white haired native-like immortal hunks still makes my prostate tingle to this very day.
Brody Ross
Wew, this animation is great
Jose Cook
Something about mice...
Anthony Foster
>You will never marry Ms. Brisby
Why live?
Joseph Ortiz
This will forever be one of the best movies, animation or otherwise, ever made.
Cameron Gutierrez
In an industry of sequels, reshoots and micro management 3D just fits the task better.
Cameron Richardson
people keep talking about the reusability of 3D assets between movies, but the fact of the matter is it's not something that happens all that much. If they don't misplace the data, then they'll find the fidelity of the models doesn't meet current standards. Like for example this upcoming Toy Story movie might be the first to actually reuse the character models without rebuilding them from scratch, and I don't even know that for certain. And you should also consider that the challenge is rarely building the models anyway, it's all the design work that has to take place before that.
But even so, considering how a sequel movie of any franchise will always introduce new locales and a horde of new characters, the amount of work that can be skipped over because it's already been done is minimal.
>Toy Story
they kept losing and rebuilding the models
>Monsters Inc
definitely rebuilt the models for the new movie
>Incredibles
definitely rebuilt the models for the new movie
>Finding Nemo
probably rebuilt the models for the new movie
>Cars
I imagine there's a good chance a lot of those assets got reused, but maybe not by the third film
Thomas Perez
So unique, thanks for sharing user.
Jose Scott
This is still ignoring reshoots and script changes, which can be done more or less on the fly, drastically cutting down on pre-production times. So it's still cheaper.
Jackson Morris
Anthro women are great but I don't get why so many kids grew up to obsess over her. What makes her special? She's nice but she doesn't seem very bright. She's a mouse and probably has fleas and other parasites.
Isaiah Perez
She's loyal and caring like a good wife would be, yet still brave and resourceful. Just the perfect balance between independent yet devoted.
Alexander Diaz
Not precisely, 2D or 3D, they'll rarely go to full animatiion unless the scene is already a lock. Look at deleted scenes for an animated movie and more often than not they'll be hand drawn animatics. And reshoots aren't a thing in animation.
Tyler Cox
not THICC enough
Samuel Lewis
>dat porno in the window
Josiah Murphy
>And reshoots aren't a thing in animation.
Oh, you're autistic. Never mind, I'll respond to the other people in this thread now.
Jaxson Stewart
I love this scene but the narration completely ruins the mood. Would've been so much better if he'd shut the fuck up
Alexander Turner
An animated film is in production until it's done. A term like "reshoot", makes no sense in animation. There aren't actors, film crews or shooting schedules, there's no point at which "shooting" can be considered done for you to then go on to "reshoot"
>oh, but test screenings, notes from executives, etc
still can't result in anything resembling a reshoot, test screenings for animation are done much earlier on with barebones animatics, everything's different to live action, the priorities are different. Call me autistic but if you're gong to throw around a word like reshoot, it communicates nothing, don't expect to not get picked up on that.
Dylan Adams
Lucas Carter
Good things only existed in the 80s and 90s. This is a fact no matter how mad it makes zoomers. After that capitalism went completely fucking ballistic and destroyed everything.
Caleb Russell
Both scenes are kino in their own right.
Charles Hernandez
Comfy
Julian Martin
There are some really interesting .webms in this thread. Good stuff!
Daniel Morgan
Evan Walker
long lost animated kino
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Luke Diaz
Hudson Price
Was this made in the future?
Ryan Powell
Connor Hernandez
Cost fuck tons of money, 3d is cheaper, if a 2d flops then that is about 50-100 million wasted, needed talent to actually do otherwise it got exposed hard, and finally the outsourced korean/vietnamese animators got upity
Luis Scott
why doesnt he figth back is he retarde?
Eli Moore
I've never seen kimba so I always assumed there was at least a vague argument to be made that Disney wasn't plagiarizing, but after that webm alone I can't imagine how anyone would believe they didn't p
Dylan Powell
>3d is cheaper
you're paying for more dimensions
Charles Nguyen
because all 2d animators are too busy complaining on twitter about how they have no jobs instead of putting their minds together and actually make something like they did back in the day
Liam Young
This thread has me wondering why doesn't 3D animation never have the Kino aesthetic that 2D has. They all look soulless even the best ones from Pixar.
I am talking about the use of color, lightinf ,shadows, etc.... Can anyone with some technical knowledge shed some light on this?
I mean look at some of the webms here posted from Prince of Egypt or The lion King. Almost feel like they're genuine art.
Parker Robinson
2d animators are artists
3d animators are computer geeks
Christopher Rogers
no, seriously though. fuck disney. even when they were good they were pure evil.
Alexander Russell
>I am talking about the use of color, lightinf ,shadows, etc...
Fixed camera means more restraint. More restraint means a heightened attention is given to what's available. Basically they can focus more, and have to. Work digitally and not only is your work transient, it's doubly so because an altered setting could completely change how it looks.
It's also the texture. Paint, film grain, optical printing, boiling lines (noise in imprecise line art). The handcraftedness shines through much more easily. Same as, like, if you were to compare Wallce and Gromit in The Wrong Trousers to say, Kubo and the Two Strings
Eli Wilson
it does. it's just rare because it's born post-internet.
people who can read music generally play instruments better. that's not because reading music makes you a better artist but because generally you read music while playing. so you get practice in.
computers do a lot for the artist automatically so they don't necessarily get the training. but that doesn't mean an artist can't come to a computer and make something brilliant.
Jose Edwards
also, like its been said a million times, big name producers outsource the work and colleges have no standards anymore. real artists are still out there making appealing 3D compositions.
Ian Wood
Pixar/Disney just released a trailer for Onward. I'm beginning to think animators and artists are running out of creativity and ideas. I mean, the character designs look like generic Dreamworks characters.
Alexander Ross
Which one of you is right? Also you mention there are 3D artists doing great work, care to mention any flicks?(other than Pixar who I admit can be pretty good with their best flicks)
William Sanders
>Which one of you is right?
There's no reason to think the points being made are mutually exclusive.
Jonathan Watson
3D is actually more expensive. The edge it has over 2D is that it can be easily outsourced and produced much faster.
Levi Price
Eli Rodriguez
Chase Ortiz
Jordan Walker
Xavier Morales
Kids decided they were old fashioned and preferred CGI shit. In the span of a few years Treasure Planet, Titan AE and Sinbad all lost a shit load of money and the studios decided that traditional animation was a losing bet. At the same time many of the artists that produced traditional animation started retiring while CGI continued to get both cheaper and better looking.
I don't think we'll ever see another big budget traditional animation, at least not one aimed at children. Even Gendy Tartakovsky who loves traditional animation can only get the budget to make films using CGI.
Eli Collins
That's like saying food is outdated because shit exists. Idiot
Jordan Peterson
I loved his Clone Wars series.
Carter Russell
What are the non-voice-actor costs?
Josiah Price
best thread on Yea Forums
Hudson Perry
Inflation dude. I mean point taken CGI isn't inherently cheaper but $60 million in 2019 dollars is $104 million.
Nathaniel Roberts
True I guess
Asher Russell
>cost of 2D
>cels, paints, pencils, pens, paper, camera, labor
>cost of 3D
>software, labor
It's all money laundering.
Ryan Allen
It’s funny, it looks like you’re trying to have a thread about 2D animation, but without Lalouxs films, you mustn’t be
Alexander Perez
Why do i have the feeling this was done by studio Gonzo
Asher Nelson
source?
Alexander Reyes
Because with intelligence comes shame.
Liam Hughes
Because people think "cartoons" are for kids and that their nostalgic pixar trash makes them adults.
Julian Rogers
can we stop with the feels train
Angel Baker
3D animation is based off of premade models and software. They don't create everything from scratch. They use programs and bases, engines even. 2D requires as another user said, an artist to draw every panel. Yea Forums1559279940186.webm
Mason Adams
They’re still being made, in Japan
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Thomas Myers
Kayden Long
>why doesn't 3D animation never have the Kino aesthetic that 2D has. They all look soulless even the best ones from Pixar
One is drawn by the hand of a human being, the other is rendered by computer programming. CGI is an inherently artificial medium even at its best. Its like listening to techno as opposed to listening to live music, the techno may be really well composed but its never going to have the imperfection and variation that make a live performance feel real.
Parker Rogers
ayylmao at you faggots 2d animation picked after 60 years of being created; 3d, in the other hand, its only 30 years old and is getting better and better real fast just wait until avatar 2 is released and you all see what im talking
Robert Thompson
Maybe they shouldn't have shut down their 2D animated division.
Dylan White
No, it's Madhouse
Christian Lopez
rotoscoped?
I want a job rotoscoping wangs
Hudson Ortiz
This is the real tragedy right here. Even if someone fronted the money for a 2d animated film there would be no one to make it because the next generation of artists doesnt exist.
Julian Turner
Spbp.
Look at the backgrounds of snow while, famous artists worked on them and they are good middle lvl art works. The lion king was already several steps down
Wyatt Long
So where did all the talent at Disney even go? I'm sure they have the capital to retain all this talent?
Jacob Russell
Carter Murphy
damn look at all those fucking tiny barbie necks
William Perry
God what a fucking milf
Justin Morgan
i want to fuck this mouse
Jack Turner
Not the user that posted the webm but they are as tonally different as you can get. There was influence from Kinba for sure but some of those shots arent exactly unique. There was a ton of research for Lion King involved including a two week trip to Africa for the key animators yet people just make it sound like they just copied someones homework. No one ever says that the Lion King ripped off Shakespeares work, everyone is fine with the influence yet with Kimba its a different story for some reason. Also no one ever mentions the likely Bambi influence in Kimba. Anyway just my two cents here.
Cooper Anderson
underrated AS FUCK
Anthony Evans
The anime industry is now the leading animation industry in the world. That's where all the 2D animated films are.
Luke Hughes
so.. how does this end? does the badass rabbit kill the dog?
Lincoln Murphy
>ywn suf trees with your cute green-eyed brunette gf
Caleb Diaz
SOUL
Caleb Fisher
The death of 2D animation films is not as bad as the calarts faggotry that has taken over what little remains of it. They despise the beautiful animation from Don Bluth and others in favor of noodle characters and flash animation.
Gavin Roberts
They despise the particle effect overload that Bluth became known for in his later years. Titan AE is a fucking mess.
Mason Diaz
I should rewatch Titan A.E. I remember loving it years ago but can't trust (((critics))) to know how it was.
Daniel Walker
Is this from that force of will thing that got cancelled? Or a linked product?
Elijah Nguyen
>PIIIIISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Benjamin Wright
Memories iirc
Isaac Adams
Good read
Kevin Reyes
Tezuka actually drew a manga adaptation of the Bambi movie. It was fan translated last year.
Leo Sanchez
Genius Party Beyond - Toujin Kit
Joseph Rivera
Yah, it's Magnetic Rose the best episode from the series of shorts titled Memories.
Jose Rodriguez
Hopefully the death of 2d animation in films forces more of the great animators into making smut.
Jose Lee
How brain dead are the people saying that 2d is harder to make?
3d is incredibly more complex and necessitate render farms when you home computer could render almost any 2d animation.
I guess what they are trying to say is that drawing every single frame is harder than reusing assets, but it has little to do with 2d or 3d. You can have 2d animation rendering constantly reusing a bank of 2d models. The only reason it is more prevalent in 3d is precisely because it is much harder to the point where it is simply unrealistic not to constantly reuse assets in 3d animation with standardized methods of rendering.
I can understand the complaint but the phrasing reads like sub-80 iq.
Carson Rodriguez
t. reddit
Juan Long
Mulan is from a chinese story or something. Cant blame disney for that one.
Wyatt Bennett
it's a lie that the rapist Lasseter used to sell his products. if the lie is big enough and repeated often enough, it shall be believed.
Elijah Scott
>No one ever says that the Lion King ripped off Shakespeares work, everyone is fine with the influence yet with Kimba its a different story for some reason.
Yeah, for some "Shakespeare's stories are four centuries old and considered not only classics but public domain, free reign for adaption" reason.
And some "Disney openly and happily acknowledges the film is based on Hamlet" reason.
Not to mention some "the director actually fucking lived in Tokyo when an anime adaption of Kimba was airing on TV" reason.
>Also no one ever mentions the likely Bambi influence in Kimba.
Yeah, for some "Tezuka was just one guy when Disney was already a fucking megacorporation" reason.
It boggles my mind. I can't figure it out, anons, there's no controversy to be had here at all...
Michael Thompson
Asher Fisher
So all it would take to be no problem is if Kimba was an older and more successful work, Disney doing a press release about it and the director not living in Tokyo? Whats the time and popularity cut off when something stops being a rip off and becomes an acceptable inspiration exactly?
Bentley Wilson
They could no longer get near free korean labor so the cost to make them rose, and it became cheaper to produce 3D animation films.
Juan Butler
are you being obtuse on purpose, this isn't complicated
>considered not only classics but public domain, free reign for adaption
Bentley Sullivan
So Kimba is a rip off of Bambi then. Oh no wait, Kimba wasnt successful enough so that makes it ok. Any other rules and exceptions I should be aware of?
James Sanders
Everything non anime is just straight up scientifically inferior. 2D non-anime animation died because everyone got bored with it — it had been completely exhausted as a medium.
Anime is also basically dead now but it bears thinking about.
Adrian Miller
I'm not excusing Tezuka, but he has a less significant position in the public consciousness and the history of animation. My point is that there's absolutely no excusing Disney at all, the significance of the rip-offery is set way off balance by their standing.
It's like a kid in his kitchen trying to recreate Lucozade and sell it locally at a wooden stall calling it "Timmy's Hype Juice" vs the Coca Cola company trying to recreate Lucozade and sell it as their own and market it nationwide under the name "Zucolade".
And here you are saying
>I see no difference here, if Coca-Cola's going to court over this, so should little Timmy
Again, I ask, are you being obtuse on purpose
Colton Gutierrez
Jeremiah Jones
Yeah, outdated. You no longer have the talent required.
Henry Reed
Except Tezuka isnt Little Timmy but a party just like Disney except a less popular one. Youre saying Coca Cola shouldnt make Zulolade but a Japanese soft drink company can. And its a bad argument anyway because neither party went to court and nor should they. Art isnt created in a vacum and influences are felt within a given work. Here we have a perfect example of influence coming around, Tezuka was influenced by a Disney film and then a Disney director was influenced by his work, I dont see anything wrong with this.
Ryder Cruz
What's wrong about it is that they deny it despite the strength of the argument that it's there
Brody Mitchell
Whose to know really? Is it really that much of a stretch that someone living in Japan didnt watch cartoons on tv? Plus the animators of the Lion King did acknowledge that they watched Kimba and as far as Disney as a corporation is concerned I bet the lawyers would never allow an official statement citing any outside inspiration not to damage the hold on the ip.
Jacob Foster
The art and animation is drop-dead gorgeous. I'm too brainlet to understand what is going on.
Hudson Sanders
Salvador Dali is what's going on.
Grayson Wright
Does anybody the great mouse detective. Literately nobody I know knows about it.
Oliver Green
Google's ai made it so it could add details to anime from just sketches to a real thing.
Christopher Lewis
Yeah, that reflects my experience with art classes. It's no longer about technique and instead just an exercise in "LOOOOOOK AAAAATTTT MEEEEEE" as if art is anything about the artist rather than the craft itself.
Parker Howard
It has to do with destiny. the women and the man both want to change their destiny with the girl becoming a ballerina and the man a baseball player. In the end it shows that the man and the women are following destiny even though they were fighting against it but in the end they died happily.
I could be wrong about somethings though.
Wyatt Sanchez
YOU CAN SUCK MY DICK, OR COCK
Brayden Harris
Once
Kayden Harris
Carter Moore
I wasn't ready for that
Caleb Martin
It's actually, "Prince with the swift WARNING"
Not swift "warren". That doesn't even make any sense.
Don't these people read the scripts when they create the captions?
Tyler Wood
>thread lasts 20 hours
Based
Angel Davis
Will Disney ever make use of 2D/3D again?