>be american >live in one of the most prosperous and technologically advanced countries in history >get shipped out to Vietnam despite moving heaven and earth to dodge the draft >start hallucinating on patrol about talking trees because you're a city slicker accustomed to suburban life who's never been in the woods before >have a mental breakdown and start killing felllow soldiers and superior officers by means of fragging >the slightest setback makes you lose all sense of discipline and start committing war crimes >the american public hates you >come home and complain about PTSD an shellshock
>be rice paddy farmer >live in the literal middle of nowhere >hear news of american invasion >look forward to a fight after BTFO'ing the french in between rice farming >proceed to BTFO americans >reminisce about it later in the company of friends and rice wine
>Marine Roger Harris (Vietnam 1967) recalls calling his mother to tell her not to believe what she reads in the newspaper or sees on TV. “We’re losing the war… everybody in my unit’s dying. I probably won’t be coming back.” >“You’re coming back,” Harris says his mother responded. “I talk to God every day and you’re special.” >“And I said, ‘Ma, everybody’s mother thinks their son is special. I’m putting pieces of special people in bags.” kino
He came back in the end though so his mother made him look like a right dickhead
Carson Evans
The Virgin Boomer vs The Chad Gook
Michael Ortiz
Literally just look at the smile on Le Quan's face and just TRY to tell me that isn't the face of a man who won, you burger fucks
Isaiah Baker
>be french soldier in the first Indochina war >have to trek through mountains and jungles to get to the enemy, without being able to expect air support of any kind >as soon as the war ends, you get thrown back into a 8-year war against rebels in Algeria >end up with so much big dick energy you try to coup the french state twice
>be american soldier in 'Nam >essentially babysit by choppers that bring you from place to place >end up with PSTD and meh movies about you
Elijah Fisher
>Survive solely because the enemy was being pressured by their own citizens to be nice to you and not wipe you off the face of the earth >talk shit
Real miss saigon would be castrating GIs for firebombing her home and sniping the skullcaps off americans. What an embarrassment propaganda musical
Matthew Collins
>lose a war against dirt poor rice farmers >gets PTSD >spend the next decades making sad movies about your PTSD and hardships lmao, true warrior nation right there
>win or lose he cant understand the satisfaction of fighting for your home
Kayden Diaz
the really funny part is that the people making the movies about PTSD and shit were the same people calling them babykillers as they got off the plane. They feel bad now so they overcompensate. ALL boomers do this.
Jason Lewis
>defeat communism by becoming communist and losing a war Based mutts
Alexander Flores
Can’t stop the evil empire, only mock it on a anonymous forum
Chase Collins
>win the cold war, end communism >start making propaganda about how good communism must be and capitalism is evil whats the endgame here guys?
Daily reminder that these threads are made Asian/hapa incels that are butthurt that Asian women fuck white guys, while they stay virgins until their mid 30s were their parents arrange them with an Asian roastie that fucked hundreads of white guys in high school and college.
Aiden Garcia
It'sjjust his face. He was smiling even when he was talking about how his brother died.
To be fair, he had a point. The amount of fighting between the conventional & unconventional forces meant that many sons, brothers, potential fathers and so forth perished in this conflict. I can't/wouldn't necessarily blame him for his mindset at the time.
Joshua Johnson
Power... same as its always been
Carson Wright
Probably because the NVA did all the work while the viet cong mostly fucked around in the jungle and only attacked weak ARVN and rear echelon units. He probably actually saw some real shit unlike the guy in the OP.
Asher Davis
french soldiers have gay hats and thats why there are zero good movies about them because gay hats are unphotogenic and gay
Nolan Reyes
Whenever /our/guy john gives his account I’m unusually still and focused. His stuff feels so candid and non bullshitty.
NV sacrificed the entirety of the VC during the tet offensive. They were wiped out to the point of never being a factor in the war again.
Dylan James
I just love how brainlets portray the northern army as if they were some kind of untrained, unequipped underdog to cheer for.
David Barnes
Well, compared to the burgers, they were.
Connor Long
>The soldiers in my unit, their parents trusted me to look after them. Some of their bodies have never been found, and I feel guilty day and night. In my dreams, I'm haunted by brutal scenes of war and death. I think it's because I haven't fulfilled my obligation. I haven't found them for their families. Every day people call em asking, "My son served in this company of that regiment. He was killed on the battlefield. have you found him?" I have to answer that I haven't.
> calling his mother to tell her not to believe what she reads in the newspaper or sees on TV The war was unpopular from the beginning and nobody gave a shit about fighting in Vietnam and THAT is ultimately why we left but in terms of numbers, the USA was never "losing" the war. That is an idiotic Hollywood myth, stop watching TV to get your history of the world.
Michael Phillips
You forgot.
>looks at the United States, Japan and Korea 50 years later >see them able to feed themselves and create their own culture while living prosperously >return to farming rice while your family is hungry and doesn't own air conditioning >slowly cry to yourself
Jacob White
To be fair that guy's unit was 1/9 Marines which took the highest sustained casualties in the the marines history. His perspective shows that.
American propaganda intentionally conflates the NVA and VC to make them look like unorganized savages, but it ended up backfiring
Jaxon Hall
Their ground troops were better equipped and they were actually used to the climate and their surroundings. They also had a huge advantage in morale, not a single American soldier wanted to be there.
Josiah Watson
Reminder that britain managed to win their own vietnam, the malayan emergency >didnt even refer to it as a war for insurance purposes, so little fucks did they give >founded the jungle warfare school and learn from the locals >pioneered hearts and minds operative style >won with only few special forces members and ww2 era equipment >actually won And still the americans didnt employ any of what the british learned about jungle warfare
Christian Ramirez
serious question here how did the US lost in vietnam if they are the #1 military force in the world?
Colton Thompson
they weren't allowed to use all their toys because it would make china and russia mad
Kayden Kelly
>end up with so much big dick energy you try to coup the french state twice Opponents of Algerian independence also committed one of the worst terror attacks in French history and tried to kill De Gaulle and his wife.
Carter Mitchell
Vietnam is probably the best-off country in Indochina today.
Asher Harris
The amount of Boomer commentary in the series is just astonishing.
> We were the first generation to find out US was not innocent! > I didn't even think of questioning my governments views > Vietnam was somehow uniquely brutal Fuck off boomers, just because your WW2 Veteran dads never opened up about their hardships, and you grew up in some coddled suburb in Missoula, Montana doesn't mean that the U.S history was always the same.
Sure, but it wasn't some guerillas with rifles and two cartridges either. Even Viet Cong had standardized uniforms and modern small arms. NVA had reasonable anti-air capability, especially later on with SAMs. Of course you don't see heavy artillery or armoured vehicles in a conflict where the other side has air superiority constantly, and the logistics network is poor to say the least.
Eli Reed
Gooks... not based
Wyatt Jenkins
based history bro
Josiah Watson
Malayan emergency did not have Malaya divided into two countries, of which the other one was constantly supplying the communists with 100-120 tons of military supplies daily for fifteen years while being protected from military invasion to stop such by USSR and China, though.
Joshua Jackson
Latte commies from first world countries forgetting about South Vietnamese because they don't fit their narrative
Levi Miller
COPE
Daniel Cook
Name of documentary in OP?
Colton Gray
the vietnam war
Brody Ramirez
And a decade before that you had seen Great Depression, that saw U.S Government largely abandon huge swathes of its population to poverty and squalor. Just after the war you saw the largest labor unrest in U.S history. To think that the American society was without internal conflicts was extremely naive.
Hell, just a few years before Vietnam majority of blacks in U.S were legally bound as second class citizens, unable to participate in the American society fully.
Cooper Mitchell
*SHRRROOOM* *POP* *POP* *POP* YOU WANNA KNOW WHAT IT FEELS LIKE?! YOU WANNA FEEL IT?!
>be retard boomer in WW2 >beat the Nazis when they are already too fucked up from Soviet counter offensive >return home and hand everything to the Jew >50 years later >be same boomer in nursing home >tortured and beaten daily by niggers >grandkids are all brown half niggers or trannys >at least we ain‘t speaking german!
all of you pseuds in this thread have 10 minutes to name ONE (1) major battle between the americans and viet cong where the viet cong btfo american forces
>charlies shooting down helicopters and sneaking onto bases and blowing up equipment >major battles fuck off google search retard
Jace Garcia
>During Operation Union II, six rifle companies from the 5th Marines swept the Que Son Valley in search of the enemy. They located a large enemy force 1000 yards ahead across an open rice paddy. After some air and artillery strikes, three companies were ordered to charge across the open ground, and were shot to pieces. The bloodied Marines fell back during this June 2, 1967 battle with 71 KIA and 139 wounded.
>A battalion from the 1st Infantry Division conducted another "search and destroy" sweep. Its three companies were deployed miles apart in hopes the NVA would attack one. They surrounded and blasted Charlie company, killing 38 and wounding 71 of its 134 soldiers before its other two companies came to the rescue.
>The 1st battalion of the 7th Cavalry barely survived its now famous 1965 battle in the Ia Drang valley. After saving its 1st battalion, the exhausted 2nd battalion headed for LZ Albany for an aerial extraction. It was in a long column in open terrain when it ran into a concealed NVA battalion, which attacked and shot it to pieces during a bloody battle that claimed the lives of 155 Americans, with 124 wounded.
cope harder lmao
Jordan Lee
>skirmishes with under 200 deaths >major battles holy fuck bro where are my major battles
>implying malayan emergency and vietnam were even remotely comparable congrats on exposing yourself as historically illiterate
Robert Ramirez
Du ma may, big clock man
Brandon Sanchez
just phuc mai shit up
Thomas Perez
>be pilot chad >bomb pingpongs and gooks >kill thousands of the yellow monkeys >go back to comfy base and bang the cute female nurses
Isaiah Fisher
Why didn't Nixon have the balls to just use nuclear weapons, fuck the public and critics alike.
Jeremiah Moore
Go to district 1 in Saigon >Prada >Gucci >Other brands white women fawn over Shitty communists running the place
William Cruz
>claim to win >you and your descendants eat at McDonald's for the next 1000 years
Logan Taylor
based and sandwichpilled
Samuel Fisher
I would be pretty pissed if I were them too, my Asian wife constantly tells me how emasculate Asian men are.
Cameron Hall
Daily reminder that Operation Linebacker ie the subsequent aerial bombing campaign on industrial targets in Hanoi and other major cities forced North Vietnam to the peace table with South Vietnam signing the Paris Peace Accords. After the US withdraw from Vietnam the North decided to violate the peace accords and invade South Vietnam. By this time the US appetite for war had ended and despite the US promise to support South Vietnam militarily the US ultimately decided not to allowing South Vietnam to fall.
Daily reminder also that none of this matters because today the US and Vietnam have close economic and defense relationship that provides a counter to Chinese influence in the region.
Brody Allen
>That one fag spamming USA USA USA in voice chat and you cant find and kill him
Thomas Campbell
So what you're saying is he was no fortunate one
Jack Brooks
any battle where the participants and casualties come in at the thousands with a significant impact on the war. not squads getting ambushed. there's not a single large military offensive where vietnam bested the us, the us lost because of its politics at home and the war being unpopular.
Owen Lopez
>Fastest growing economy in Asia Vietnam is amazing right now, once they dumped communism in the economic sector, they fucking boomed. Get a passport
Jacob Martinez
>getting so mad you can't even make a proper sentence
Brody Ortiz
the us wouldve had to burn down the entire country in order to win
Andrew Torres
Name them
Justin Hall
You could argue that there was never a single large military offensive at all. The closest thing that came to it was the invasion of cambodia and that got called off. The vast majority of combat and casualties sustained was during these smaller skirmishes and the NVA were better than americans like to give them credit for.
Wyatt Hughes
>has insectoid wife >calls anyone emasculated
lmao at least you had the good sense of ending your huwite bloodline
Imagine ever thinking a democratic government is benevolent and trustworthy and not just a bunch of empty suits who all answer to the same billionaires. Boomers are retarded as shit.
Anthony Gutierrez
I didn't call anyone emasculated, that's my wife talking. And my Anglo genes won out when it came to kids. Oh, honey, you never read a history book?
Jaxson James
>”fuck you ma! dis war a shit! im gonna die, boohooo” >”m-my son no! pls liv! I luv u!” >”fuck you ma! idgaf im kill soon. im gonna die! ask gf for bobs and vagen. That’s pretty pathetic honestly
Jason Smith
The majority of the fighting was done by the NVA which operated as light infantry. The whole muh guerilla war myth was started by retarded boomers who thought not seeing the enemy and fighting in the jungle = guerilla warfare. The NVA maneuvered with battalions and regiments and used traditional military tactics to engage the US army.
John Anderson
Why do people so vehemently argue for the US winning the war? Even if it were true, does it make you feel better for living in psyop-land?
Benjamin Ward
Vietnam has defeated China before. It was funny seeing people wear clothes with US Air Force symbols (despite killing a shitload of civilians in the war) around vietnam. But you go to even a random temple and they'll show an obviously fake map they said they found from the 1700 showing vietnams border clearly and how certain islands don't belong to China. The Vietnamese hate China.
Josiah Russell
the us didn't win. but it also didn't lose. checkmate atheists.
Grayson White
top cope. your kids will never be white.
Alexander Carter
This desu. To say the US lost would be like saying Venice lost constantinople in 1453 because they sent a few ships to help the Byzantines. The US supported the losing side but it didn't lose itself.
Anthony Moore
Anticommunists on the internet forget about the VC because it doesn't suit their narrative.
Bentley Murphy
>sending a few ships >organising a draft
Christian Smith
same principle, different scope
Christian Morgan
WE WUZ VIETKANGZ N SHIEET
Charles Lewis
gigantic cope, if your men refuse to fight and the people back home want it to end it doesn't matter, you fucking lost
>beat muttcucks with their tails between their legs >while enjoying the savory aftertaste of a McFillet combo And you fags still say the viets didn’t win.
Adam Long
If your men refuse to fight you can just bombard the whole country until there is nothing left. Its always people back home that lose the nerve because all they see is higher taxes
there were no good guys in ww2. What does being an edgy nihilist has to do with anything? are you retarded or did you buy into propaganda too much.
Ryder Mitchell
Damn I'm from belgium and I never heard about that shit It's funny how little we were told about decolonisation. We had some bit about the independance of congo but nothing about the algerian war.
Alexander Scott
If you can't occupy a country you can't win, give up Johnny.
Robert Cooper
Why isn't this game more popular? I wish it had its own /vg/. As it stands, I have no choice but to go to reddit because that board(?) moves faster than tripwire's own forums.
Tyler Diaz
>W-we could have "won" had the American people been comfortable with us commiting war crimes! We literally did that in Korea. We decimated schools, hospitals, EVERYTHING in NK. Bombers complained there were no targets left. We let loose more firepower on North Korea during a couple years than in the entirety of WWII.
Yet the border ended right where it began and North Korea remained communist. If you think Vietnam would have gone differently you're a retard. The Chinese would have stepped in even more than they already were and it would have just been Korea 2.0
Cooper James
this is why we should have nuked the soviets as soon as we got the bomb, there wouldn't even be a korean war and commie chinks to worry about.
Logan Russell
If you don't drink Beer + Vodka don't drink Beer at all.
Patton was telling them right up until they killed him.
Josiah Morales
If only they had listened to a true patriot like you would have!!
Jeremiah Walker
It's easy. 1)The US found itself in a hand-me-down war from France where they were at first literally trying to keep a colony from gaining its independence (irony) 2)They let the country vote on whether they wanted to be communist or not, the country picked communism so the US, in the height if the Red Scare, rigged the results. Subsequently, every major government official the US appointed in South Vietnam was the product of corruption and ended up being corrupt themselves 3)The concept of physically fighting communism (rather than financially or diplomatically) is as hollow as fighting "terror." Both the soldiers and folks back home knew this. 4)The NVA turned out to be badass. Who could have guessed, seriously, that these people, when given the right resources, would have been so adept at warfare. Plus, as mentioned, even though they absolutely did brutal, fucked up shit, they still had the moral high ground compared to the corrupt religious and political suppression going on in Saigon and were fighting for the unification and sovereignty of their country.
Also America wasn't allowed to invade North Vietnam or use nukes. That's a biggie.
Julian White
Considering they were actually playing for the other side, that's doubtful. The really inexplicable thing is that people actually fell for the communist bullshit. I admire the ones who were playing the long game for their own kind all along, but how stupid do you have to be a true believer of Marx?
Henry Garcia
Yes, that's why US doesn't destabilize countries nowdays when there is no USSR. for 30 years.
That man aged like a finest wine, to be honest with you famalams. Looks like he is in his 50s.
Daniel Morgan
Friendly reminder that the US supported Franco killing half of his democratic country to install a fascist state.
John Peterson
Yeah the Algerian War isn't discussed very often outside of France or Algeria, despite its legacy.
Mason Roberts
nam based rankings: >1 ARVN - did all the hardwork while getting shat on by everyone and having incompetent officers >2 NVA - trekked through a billion miles of jungle at night everyday uphill both ways >POWER GAP >9000 USA - thought they could kill bugmen faster than they reproduce >9000 VK - hide in holes and plant spikes and mines like cowards
Juan Nelson
You fuckers would be speaking German if it weren't for us supplying you then eventually finishing the war for ya. So go fuck yourself dickhead
If you think less casualties = winning then you have no right to talk about warfare
Parker Morgan
instead they have to speak english so it's not really any different
Asher Walker
There were a handful or good ARVN units but many were complete garbage. Corruption severely eroded their effectiveness.
Christopher Ross
>making up more excuses so the brunt of the blame for losing the war isn't on the US MORE COPE
Bentley Thompson
So if the US never got involved the south would have won? ok lol.
Leo Bennett
>tfw Vietnam didn't become a Chinese puppet state and Vietnamese even from the north that fought against Americans absolutely love Americans just for that reason We may not have "won" Vietnam but we also didn't lose the long game.
Not German, Russian. Real reason America got involved was to prevent Stalin from taking the rest of Europe after he was done with Germany.
Jonathan Adams
Ichi the Killer.
Lincoln Moore
Factual reminder that the real reason the US lost the war was because of racial integration of the military. The US military went from an elite fighting force in WWII and Korea to a fucking cesspool of corruption thanks to the inclusion of chimps and wetbacks.
Nathan Ramirez
Why are Britains just as stupid as Americans but twice as smug?
The way he speaks does it. You could feel the menace in it.
Jeremiah Evans
Kek
Ethan Flores
Never losing. But never winning either. Sure they were killing a fucking tonne of VC & NVA, but overall the bigger picture was constantly getting worse week by week.
Elijah Rodriguez
Its who we learned it from
Ayden Clark
lol'd
Angel Ward
They had insane discipline. They were tenacious. They were determined. Their commanders were skilled and totally ruthless. They were a stripped down army as far as equipment goes & it perfectly suited the war they were fighting. The advantage America had with the technology & equipment was easily counteracted by the sheet incompetence of their leaders & in particular their blindness to the sheer shitshow that was the political establishment of South Vietnam.
Julian Green
I think it would be better to say that even with their war experience, their technology and equipment, the north had more of a stomach to fight. No matter how many died and north couldnt and wouldnt give up, the government had full totalitarian control, and they had one, clear, attainable and messurable goal, reunite the country. So they could throw bodies after bodies at the matter with almost no public reaction.
Meanwhile you look at the US, (((relatively))) low body count for a war of that length and the body count of NV. But every single death mattered to the public and the public had a say, they could mass protest, riot, speak freely and demand an end to the war. They fought a war with no concrete condition for actually winning, they had to stop NV from swallowing up SV but they had no way to actually stop NV, just hold them back. Soldiers had no goals, no real objectives, no land to take, their only goal was to kill as many NV as they could and lose the least. A metric nobody cared about, home or in country. A metric that didn't actually achieve much because the north had far more determination and far less accountability.
>"We're killing these people at a rate of 10 to 1." >"Westy, the American people don't care about the ten. They care about the one."
>North Vietnam lost every battle they fought, but every victory the American's got never mattered.
Hudson Gray
Why does the U.S proxy war always backfire on them? >Gave the sovjets the means to invande Nazi Germany Almost ended with a big fucking BOOM >Gave the Talibans weapons Get 9/11d >Gave the towelheads in Iran weapons War inbound. >Gave weapons to to "Locals" in vietnam that traded it for rice to the Vietcong Horrible kpd for America >Gave weapons to Isis Thank god Russia joined Assad on this one. Otherwise it would be Irak all over again. >Gave weapons to the Contra unit North didn't du nuttin.
Every fucking time i see that America is engaging in proxy war i swear it's like watching a gambler saying "Can't lose every time"
It wasn’t just the US not having the appetite for war anymore. It was also the fact they realised that the South was too rotten to save. They just wanted out & cut the cancer away.
Xavier Morgan
Absolutely savage Theists btfo
Parker Rivera
You just making that post is pathetic
Thomas Carter
The US lost because they were fucking clueless about the whole war. They backed a corrupt & disastrous regime in South Vietnam & their military leaders were absolutely fucking stupid. The only thing the US had going for them was they had the air power to blow the fuck out of the NVA without risking their own infantry. The NVA was more than a match for the US infantry when they met.
Austin Gray
The elephant drew with the mouse isn't a draw for the elephant, you Americope.
Easton Stewart
while i dont disagree with you, I would argue that 9/11 has little to do with the mujaheddin. they were events nearly 20 years apart and the empowering of the mujaheddin only came to bite them on the ass when osama fled to afghan and they harbored them and then the americans had to kick their ass.
Plus i would argue that the Taliban, not only was then and was always relatively a small force within Afghanistan, compared to the vast numbers of warlords and chiefs of regions, the ones we gave weapons too, the word has become falsely used and often just means "bad man with ak who is also a muslim in afghan".
John Carter
IT AIN'T ME
Landon Collins
the objective of the war was to follow the containment doctrine, assure the non proliferation of communism thus protecting south. they didnt manage to do that so they lost
Liam Diaz
>They backed a corrupt & disastrous regime But that's what they always do up to this day kek
Brayden Clark
more like
>be rice paddy farmer >live in the literal middle of nowhere >hear news of american invasion >proceed to murder scores of your own countrymen because of the simple fact that they're not communists >years later, selfhating americans and eurofags will use you as a conversation piece to shit talk america
Andrew King
>Zoomer telling a war veteran that he's wrong
Holy kek user
Kevin Rogers
they are doing so because america gave them fuck ton of money trough the decades and Vietnam has one of the best growing economy in the world
Mason Roberts
What are you going to do when white boys like Trump dodged the draft?
Connor Perry
you mean the VC thats just a proxy branch of the NVA and committed numerous atrocities against the civilian population?
Eli Torres
>decades later there’s McDonalds in Vietnam >”dude that means we totally won that war lmao”
Imagine coping this hard. Absolutely pathetic lmao
not to disagree with you but thats because most regimes in the 3rd world are and in some 2nd worlds.
Easton Phillips
>Vietnam has one of the best growing economy in the world yeh because they ditched that whole "communism" shit after their country entered the toilets after the war
David Mitchell
All are, as if western regimes aren't all corrupt as shit. The only difference is the poverty and desperation feed into the corruption in the others.
Nathaniel Young
There isn't a government on this earth that isn't corrupt. Water is also wet.
Brody Harris
apple products are literally the sign of poorfag cope. they are low level consumer products bought overwhelmingly on payment plans by retards trying to fit the mold
Jaxon Smith
top kek
Juan Green
>fight a war against Communist China
>(((Kissanger))) and Nixon then give them your manufactoring jobs after the war and prop them up to own you (((Democracy))) by the time you're in your golden years >This only after they fire Nixon for talking shit about (((them))) drunk in the Oval office.
obviously all nations have corruption and probably more than we think but you underestimate how bad regimes can get in 2nd and especially 3rd world countries, at least there is some resemblance of accountability and balance of power in western countries, good luck trying to get that in loas, libya, sudan, haiti and many others. some of those countries might be lucky to get the vote but thank god the voting in western countries have some effect (regardless of how small) rather than literal 0 in many of those nations.
Charles Harris
Ken Burn's The Vietnam War mini series. It's on Netflix, if that helps.
Oliver Cook
>Survive solely because the enemy was being pressured by their own citizens to be nice to you and not wipe you off the face of the earth >talk shit This
You tried that on Laos dropping 2.5 million tons of bombs in a tiny country, more bombs than were used in WW2 Guess who won that war? Hint: Laos is now ruled by a Communist Party
Jace Brooks
I agree. My point is that no matter which first world country is supporting some regime in the 2nd or 3rd world it will always be supporting a corrupt government. So it’s a stupid thing to criticize each other for.
Matthew Williams
>Ken Burn lol, filthy plebs
>Friendly reminder that the US supported Franco killing half of his democratic country to install a fascist state. Based USA!
>Daily reminder that these threads are made Asian/hapa incels that are butthurt that Asian women fuck white guys, It's so weird they do this all day on Yea Forums
What accountability is there in France or Germany where the govt officials literally sell out the local infrastructure to american bidders while receiving bribes? Or in Canada and Australia to the chinks? The only difference is you don't live in squalor cause cause those countries are commercial and industrial centers, otherwise they'd be just as bad as the 3rd world shitholes.
You're a bitch and your dick is small so who cares lol
Hudson Turner
>Fuck all those international war crime laws that we helped write!
Face it. The world wars were filled with propaganda and involved the entire mobilization of the American economy, and they felt to many Americans as a just cause defending their democratic allies. Korea slipped under the radar in a post-war booming society with very little news media activity. But by the time Korea came around the news media was in full democratic watchdog check of the government. It's the news coverage that caused Americans to lose their stomach for war. Being exposed to the brutal honesty of it all.
The problem is saying that's a bad thing.
Juan Sanchez
Americans aren't people
Daniel Clark
Reminder, Nixon actually didn't do anything wrong, he was a true American Patriot who was forced out by hippies, news media and paid off politicians because he refused to follow the orders of ((((them))))
Then explain . That fellow is his secretary of defense.
Bentley Green
state* im retarded
Luis Wilson
He did prolonged the war by sabotaging peace talks, knowing the US still wasn’t going to win and getting thousands of more Americans killed so he could be seen as the guy that brought the troops home instead of LBJ. So basically he commit treason.
He seemed like a pretty normal guy at first. Then came the gook-bombs...
Parker Gonzalez
>*Takes out loaded pistol and points it at the air* >YOU WANNA KNOW WHAT IT WAS LIKE >*points the pistol at his own head* >*starts crying*
Parker Collins
>and turned Vietnam into a giant sweatshop You are aware that they surpass you just like the Chinese did, right?
Parker King
we won in Iraq and Afganistan
Cooper Evans
Iraq yes but it was really messy but Afghanistan no. The taliban are more in control now then they were when we first showed up.
Samuel Russell
You won in Iraq by putting a Shia majority into being elected to govern thus hand it on a platter for Iran to completely influence. Yeah a victory indeed.
Michael Price
america would invade iran before letting that happen
wait a minute...
Liam Hill
>lose ten times as many people as your enemy >'win"
Okay, Charlie Sheen.
David Russell
Definitely not Afghanistan
Nolan Sanders
>lose ten times as many people as your enemy >lose every battle you fight >still force the americans to pull out >still stomp the south and remove its government
if that isn't winning then I dont know what is.
Camden Cooper
>"force" the americans out commies are delusional
Adrian Rogers
>force the Americans to pull out
No, that was anti-war sentiments in the US.
Camden Perry
>goalpost shifting this hard
Asher Gutierrez
right, >muh hippies forced the troops out lmao
Joshua Anderson
Where can I actually watch this doc?
Jordan Martin
Americope at it again. If liberals made you pull out that one time, whats stopping them from doing that every time? How are you ever going to fight another war for Israel without your hands tied behind your back again?
the Norths refusal to stop attacking the americans and the South regardless of causalities set off a time bomb of the American public turning against the war because of the death of Americans for something that didn't seem winnable or valuable. The length of the war drove Americans and south Vietnam soldiers to commit more and more atrocities that drove southern citizens to the VC. (not to say the north didn't commit their own)
The north won by every single metric other than body count, the one and only metric the American's ever followed and arguably could have ever followed because of the wars heavily flawed "goals" the American's had. Under the circumstances, the war was unwinnable for the Americans without a full scale invasion of the North extremely early into the war but that would only tickle China and cause Korea 2.0
Jeremiah James
haha epik meme dood XDDD own le libs epic style XDDD
Aiden Mitchell
Most Americans old enough to remember the war think it was a bad idea
Landon Smith
not shifting anything, you make it sound like the VC are representative of South Vietnam's population, when they're not at all. It would be like saying ISIS represents the average Iraqi just because they have Iraqis in their ranks.
Benjamin Harris
This is some pathetic shit. Kill yourself.
Ian Adams
And what did vietnam win out of this whole thing?
The right to get power raped by china in the future
Aiden Howard
The VC literally was composed of Southerners for the most part.
Why does Vietnam love America so much? Why do Yuropoors hate America so much?
Hudson Rodriguez
because not only have they become Americanized, but both countries have come to see the vietnam war as a pointless and costly war pushed hard by their political leaders because neither wanted to lose face or their positions of power.
Grayson Howard
>Why does Vietnam love America so much? because they beat america >Why do Yuropoors hate America so much? because they lost to america
Daniel Thompson
I hope my fellow Americhads realize how lucky they are.
>Why do Yuropoors hate America so much? because the prevalence of narratives like america is a dumb country or an evil one. ask any European about america and its either "its a dumb place" or "i dont care"
Cooper Edwards
Surprised cali is that high
Mason Bennett
Why didn't we just nuke them? Or a little nuke?
Christian Johnson
the french and the united states discussed it during the french war in vietnam, but the UK said it was a bad idea
Lucas Bennett
they saw what happened when you pissed off china in the korea war, westmoreland had some early plans to try and get nuclear weapons involved but the goverment found out and slapped his ass down. Nixon mentioned it but he wasn't fully committed.
Owen Sullivan
>a single US state has more economic, cultural and political power than a SOVEREIGN European nation lol no
Jose Mitchell
Because nowadays they love us. If anything, we should nuke the perfidious and effete troglodytes of continental Europe. They clearly detest us more than anyone else on Earth, however inexplicably.
Carter Wright
napalm seem to give more love than nukes
Bentley Butler
there weren't any catholic cities to nuke
Sebastian Lopez
califonia 100%
>economic technological and internet hub of the world >cultural Hollywood and music industry center of the world >political power Less so but it is still a key democrat position within the worlds most powerful country, that along side the power of the westcoast entertainment industry and its ever increasing political focus
Europe does and has fuck all, t. yuropoor
Caleb Howard
MacArthur wanted to nuke the hell out of Russia and most of Asia after WWII but President Truman fired him. It's an interesting thought exercise to imagine what the would would look like today if it happened. >no Soviets >no Cold War >no norks >no China >no Korean War >no Vietnam War >we probably split the glassy, fallout-riddled remains of Asia with the Japs 50/50 if they help to clean it up and rebuild everything
Caleb Ward
What Dammit why is the Southeat so shit and the Northeast, West coast so based? It's like a cancerous tumor of shithole staes growing between Florida and Texas, what the fuck is wrong with them?
Joshua Lopez
Where do you think all of the African Americans live?
Jackson Evans
Coca-Cola is back in the veins of Saigon. Rambo too, he's got a dope pair of Nikes on Capitalism Won Communism lost for better or worse
its insane how little people know about the USA's "foray" into south america in the past 140 years
it's one of the biggest imperialistic moves since the British Empire and every president we've had since (and including) Teddy should be tried and executed for war crimes and crimes against humanity
you mean global conflict simulator. Europe, an already devastated battleground would turn into a continent wide frontline with the allies against the soviets and then the otherside of the world fighting the hordes of chinese.
just "nuking" them wasnt simple as it sounds, its not just hitting a button back then, you had to have absolute air superiority to fly in the giant b-29 bomber to drop the nuke. macarthur was a war hungry moron, he thought engaging in a ww3 right after finishing ww2 would have been a good idea.
Aaron Mitchell
>It's an interesting thought exercise to imagine what the would would look like today if it happened. Yeah it can go so many ways it's so hard to imagine.
In a way I think we were very lucky with the circumstances of the first atomic bombings in war. Like imagine if they hadn't been used in ww2, and then during the cold war neither side had as clear of an idea of how horrible they were, how much more conventional they might seem.
Liam Thompson
But California and New York are in great shape while apparently living in the American Southeast is worse than living is literal hellholes like Croatia, fucking Cuba, Lithuania places in the fucking Middle East and South America? What the fuck is wrong with people there?
>what is wrong with people there >people You see, user...
Carter Mitchell
>Croatia >hell hole
this isnt the 90's, Croatia is actually really nice now, its a holiday hotspot.
Thomas Parker
>what the fuck is wrong with them? Republicans
Carson Clark
The NVA guys were way more based than the viet cong.
Oliver Howard
It's not about whether America "won" or not it's just the first time that Americans realized most wars are pretty much pointless and just cost a lot of fucking taxpayer money and American lives to no benefit of almost anyone. Despite the propaganda people started realizing it was all just bullshit and stupid/pointless. WWI and especially WWII seemed to have a purpose. After that it was just idiotic and people stopped being quite so stupid and gullible.
I agree with your point that the American public realized the Vietnam war was pointless but I don't agree that wars are inherently pointless. It is just a sure-fire way to have an unwinnable war if you start one without a real end goal or real plan to reach there, like vietnam.
John Thompson
t. coping American
Hudson Thompson
America did have absolute air superiority right after WWII and we were the only country in the world with nukes until the Russians developed their own in 1949 (which they would not have been able to do if America turned their country into a smoking crater in 1945) so there was no fear of retaliation on a similar scale if MacArthur's plan was greenlit. The American economy was already geared for war and was not in shambles like most other countries that fought in WWII so it would not have been that difficult to keep up production of aircraft and nukes.
It's not a coincidence the most prosperous era in American history was the period immediately following WWII. Every European power had to spend a decade or two rebuilding their country following the war. Russia wasn't any better off. They were running on fumes at the end of WWII and they only made it that far because they didn't give a fuck how many of their men died and because America was supplying them with resources to continue fighting against Germany. Japan was an American vassal. China didn't suffer much during WWII besides some Jap atrocities but they were a very weak, backwards, impoverished country at that time. Absolutely nobody could have stopped America from lobbing nukes all over the place immediately after WWII.
Cooper Ward
>thinks the southeast is a hellhole Nope, pretty comfy actually. True rural folk out here keep to themselves, have plenty of land, and nice families. The drug addicts and niggers are mostly a plague in suburban shitholes.
Christopher Torres
why dont we have genetically engineered guerillas fight our wars for us? we can call it guerilla warfare
Zachary Johnson
What happened was there was an enemy who simply refused to be beaten. When Americans say "give me liberty or give me death", they dont mean it because they are coddled cowards. If they were trite enough to say it, the Vietnamese would fucking mean that shit, but they're too busy shitting on imperialists to say stupid ass shit like that.
Hunter Morales
Easy there, cletus
Jayden Gomez
Don’t even pretend you aren’t a halfbreed mudperson, user.
Owen Martin
Sorry for upsetting you, addictanon.
Aiden Foster
There were no good guys, the US was an imperialist arms dealer who used their position after the war to profit off global hegemony.
Luke Davis
America couldn't even beat the Vietcong how are they going to deal with China? Americans only have the stomach for wars where they can drop a few bombs, launch a few drone strikes, then be home in time for cheeseburgers.
Landon Ward
To prevent socialism (or really just any escape from imperialist capture) from showing that developing countries can actually succeed without sucking IMF teat
Brody James
Not that user, but it most certainly does when the WHOLE POINT of the conflict was causing VC casualties.
Brandon Torres
>california >where they shit on the streets, live in garages, or are in jail >air is a poisonous fume >high standard of living
Jeremiah Gomez
>some gook smiled Yeah but they had their houses and shit destroyed, the war was in their territory
Josiah Thomas
>beat the Vietcong Because it wasn’t an actual war, it was the beginning our retarded policy of “regime change”, which is usually just a means of propping up some tinpot dictator who won’t say no to an Exxon pipeline. >Americans have no stomach for wars This is completely true, although there are probably enough mongoloids here who would pitch themselves face-first at Russia if given the chance.
Brandon Ramirez
seems pretty clear to me that the nazis were the good guys
Cameron Adams
And now the French stand by while their culture is destroyed >but the epic yellow jackets!! Didn't stop Notre Dame from burning
Austin Reyes
>the WHOLE POINT of the conflict was causing VC casualties
which is why the US lost, because the VC didn't care about casualties.
Jose Stewart
I’m kinda curious how they calculate standard of living, desu. My experience with SoCal did not bespeak of a happy or healthy environment.
Josiah Miller
Yes, yes, and the Finngols never lost the Winter War either. Nice cope, faggot. The piggie fears the communist.
Levi Davis
lol amerilards are getting btfo so hard theyre getting triggered. do americans honestly believe they won in vietnam?
Julian Carter
they came up with the body count metric because they couldn't come up with anyway of figuring out how to check if they were actually making any progress in vietnam and mcnamara was a number autist.
the point of vietnam was stop the south from being swallowed by the north, they thought that killing as many north and VC as they could would stop that permanently, they came up with the body count system and it did nothing because killing the north did nothing.
Jaxon Baker
The burger south is based, I wish my shithole forced the criminals to work too.
What if I make a new trip every post? Block that, retard :)
Michael Johnson
>a single building burned down >CULTURAL MARXISM THE WHITE RACE IS DOOMED
Kayden Edwards
>that wetback slave driver in the land of the blind the one-eyes man is king i suppose
Connor Barnes
I love my southern homeland. And by that, I mean the land itself, not the people who inhabit it. >inb4 I’m a racecuck No, all niggers can hang. Our mistake was not genociding them the moment the 13th was passed.
Angel Gomez
>California and New York >Great shape
Blake Rivera
They used my people as tunnel rats because we're naturally short
Also, >that Vietnam comic book that (((they))) turned into capeshit when the writers started writing an arch where the protagonist squad was going to frag some literal jive talking niggers assigned to their attachment that were always starting shit and attempting to kill their own squadmates for being white
I mean to look at it, apparently not. More than 40% of areas in Alabama, Georgia etc living beneath the poverty line? This shit is totally unthinkable where I live. How can people live like that? Like animals?
>I didn't call anyone emasculated, that's my wife talking. And my Anglo genes won out when it came to kids. Have fun trying to explain on national television why your disgusting happa kid shot up his school.
