Did he deserve the end they gave him?

Nobody gets what they deserve.

>looking out for your own citizens instead of favoring slaves and slaveowners is communism
this is your brain on retardation

Yes, as do all tyrants

Cato is redpilled

It's all a show to get support so he can become a tyrant, he doesn't really care. He uses half truths and bribes to get what he wants

Looks like Caesar won...
A rare species of victory

But what about good Solonius?

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fucking pleb show

>It's all a show
>he doesn't really care.
>literally gets killed for making changes that greatly impact the wealthy in Rome in a negative way

>Not absent skill
>or will to live

He does it get popular support, the people are happy to get financial support, even though the state can't afford it. With that support he can make himself a dictator. He does this while painting the senate as the oppressors and a threat to the republic. It's literally the handbook on becoming a tyrant and it still works. Just look at Turkey

>Who are Cassius and Verginius?
>Who are the Gracchi brothers ?
>Who is Julius Caesar ?
>All of them murdered by the senate for proposing a land reform law and nearly succeeding.
>b-but the senate and the republic are the good guys...

Brain dead retards who have no contextual understanding of the events surrounding the fall of the republic.

>Who is Cleon?
>Who is Caesar?
>Who is Cromwell?
>Who is Mussolini?
I'm not saying the republic was perfect, but I'd take an aristocratic republic over the luck of having a good heir, which ran out pretty quick

Also Sulla marching on Rome and massacring anyone threatening the status quo of the elites

>This is no longer pudding pops

>Tyrants bad

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bootlicker, do you have no self respect?

HE

Yes, he was a traitor to the republic and republican ideals.

fuck off Cunto. Pompey and the Optimates can eat my dick

woah i just started watching this
get out of my head Yea Forums

based

Remind me again how murdering Caesar worked out for the "republicans" and their "republican ideals"?

CALM YOURSELF CATO

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It was worth a try.

Based and Catopilled

if you kill your enemies, they win

Not really. In fact the populists wanted Romans to stop relying on slave labour cuz they were taking their jerbs.

>cutting off your nose to spite your face

:sob:

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i'd be so scary

Yes. Caesar broke many many laws as consul and later in gaul. He really did commit genocide on the natives.

However, this doesn't mean Pompey was in the right, his allies let things go to a war. There was almost a peaceful resolution with caesar giving up most of his army but still being legally immune, Cato was against caesar having even a single legion. Cato brought the war.

Caesar had lots of good reforms though, land reform was badly needed for the poor of Rome. Fuck big slave plantations and shit.

Kek, look at this retard who thinks he has natural rights.

Sounds pretty fucking leftist to me, breh. And Tiberius Gracchus.

That implies I take my rights for granted

>republican ideals
And Pompey is the defender of said ideals, yes?

Reluctantly

You have exactly what is allowed by more powerful men. Caesar would have given the plebs more work and more bread, so they were right to support him. He would have taken away some of the wealth of the aristocracy, so they were right to oppose him. But please explain why a pleb should support an aristocrat?

>Caesar broke many many laws as consul
All he did was keep governing the republic once Bibulus and Cato tried to completely block the entire legislative AND executive branches of Government. He was more republican than them.
>and later in gaul
He defended roman friends and allies against gallic tribes. Completely justified. His attempt at turning gaul into roman territory was just him following in the footsteps of Pompey who did the same in the east.
>He really did commit genocide on the natives
No he didn't

These guys know whats up. The rest can fuck off to their ignorant hole.

How does supporting a leader who does what's best for me make me a bootlicker?
>"B.. b.. but what about the poor faggots and foreigners? What about their rights?"
lmao

please explain why a pleb should support an aristocrat who wants to become a tyrant

>please explain why a pleb should support an aristocrat who wants to become a tyrant
He literally did in the post you replied to you enormous monkey-brained faggot.

>Giving paying jobs to your people instead of elites using foreign slave labour is leftist

Oh no no no, you're one of those people who think the free market and libertarianism is right wing, aren't you?

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Because he would ensure they would not starve? What kind of a stupid question is that?

If you're only thinking about the immediate impact and not the big picture then that sounds reasonable. It's easy to be seduced by populism.
What about when Caligula and Nero inherited the empire?

He was asking why a pleb should support the aristocracy, I was pointing out that Caesar was part of the aristocracy. The people weren't starving under the senate

How would a corrupt aristocracy have been any better at that time?

>The people weren't starving under the senate
Wrong. Read a book.

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They would have chosen the best, or at least most powerful consuls from among themselves, ensuring relative stability and good quality leadership. Although the plebs should have had more say, they still had the Tribune of the Plebs with the power of veto

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