Is there any plausible alternative theories for Jon's parentage in the books...

NED + ASHARA = JON
RHAEGAR + LYANNA = AEGON

"Tyrion Lannister noted that Aegon's eyes seem to be dark blue, but looked black by lamplight, and purple in the light of dusk"

Targ eyes don't look purple till the right light hits. Instead, a dark color that lightens...

No. Jon being Rhaegar and Lyanna’s son is heavily telegraphed in AGOT.

Aegon's eyes are noted to look blue because he has his hair dyed blue specifically for that reason.
Jon is has black hair, closely resembles Ned and has the same eyes as Arya
He is Ned and Ashara's son

It's just a different shade of blue/purple depending on the lighting. Eyes don't suddenly switch from grey to purple.

Targ genes are weak as shit. That’s why he looks more like a stark than the other stark kids. The Tully genes are really strong and knock out the relatively weaker stark genes.

D&D already confirmed that George told them R+L=J, he's not Ned's son.

>He is Ned and Ashara's son
You're delusional if you genuinely believe this.

What does that have to do with his eye color supposedly confirming that he's a Targ?

And when did they say that?

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>gives you a fake plot outline to ensure that his magnum opus isn't completely ruined and spoiled by a low quality tv show that nobody cares about in a few years
heh.

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Hes a targ. He will always be a targ. He doesn't look like them because they were all fucking inbred. It took a targ raping a westerosi woman to finally clean up the incestuous genepool a bit.

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They don’t confirm he is a Targ. Jon has Stark features. Eyes are determined by genetics like everything else.

user I think you posted the wrong video because they don't talk about R+L=J at all here.

>The only halfway plausible one is that Jon really is the lovechild of Ned and Ashara Dayne

Yet this is never brought up when Ned and Arthur meet at the Tower of Joy.

"The Sword of the Morning, meet the Cock in your Sister!"

>George tested us by asking us who was Jon's mother and we got it right
>D&D made R+L=J in their show
take two minutes to think about it

>Hes a targ. He will always be a targ. He doesn't look like them because they were all fucking inbred. It took a targ raping a westerosi woman to finally clean up the incestuous genepool a bit.

Exactly. Look at the Baratheon brothers, they're all quarter Targ through their grandmother.

You have absolutely no evidence to back that up. They changed a ton of things, they could have changed that as well.
On the contrary they say "we were the only ones who got the answer right". Kind of funny considering 99.9% of the community believes the R+L=J theory. It actually strengthens my belief that Ned and Ashara are Jon's parents.

>You have absolutely no evidence to back that up. They changed a ton of things, they could have changed that as well.
lmao there's no reason they would change such a major twist that was the entire reason they got the job, face it, it's R+L=J
>It actually strengthens my belief that Ned and Ashara are Jon's parents.
denial

So your only arguments are "lmao" and "denial". Great discussion.

We have had no such scene in the books.

This
Any old brainlet could have used the internet and found out R+L=J theory. Gurm wouldn't have asked it if that was the answer. He was literally pleb filtering him. Jon is either a Stark/Dayne or he really is just a bastard Ned sired with a rando from Sisterton

If you really think all of the clear foreshadowing in the first book and a video where they confirm that the entire reason they got the job was because they figured out the twist that they put into their show isn't evidence there will never be any convincing you.

D&D and GRRM trolled you and you fell for it, like 99% of the community.

remain in denial bud.

Literally name 5(five) times it was foreshadowed

L + R = J (because Rhaegar couldn't keep it in his pants) >>> Ned's bastard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> L + R = J (WE WUZ PROPHECIES N SHIT)

>Ned finds Lyanna covered in a pool of blood and comes back with a baby claiming it's his
>Tells Cat just that "Jon Snow is his blood" and that will be the end of the discussion
>Arya is said to resemble Jon the most, she's also said to be the spitting image of Lyanna
>After thinking about Jon Snow, Ned Stark thinking about Lyanna and the promise
>muh blue roses

I don't like the twist either, it's not all that interesting and I don't give much of a shit about Jon but you'd have to be retarded to still deny it at this point, especially in favor of Ashara which is an obvious red herring provided by Cat.

Would Jon turning out to actually be Ned’s bastard son be a good twist or is there too much foreshadowing for him being a Targ for it to make sense

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>Arya is said to resemble Jon the most, she's also said to be the spitting image of Lyanna
Jon is also countless times described as a perfect younger version of Ned.

About your other points, the only relevant one is Ned's dream. Martin said in an interview that dreams aren't always exact and what happens in them shouldn't be taken at face value.

It would be kino as fuck. R+L=J spits in the whole "prophecies and bloodlines don't matter" that Gurm goes for by having the bastard Jon rise to the top through hard work turn out to actually be God

>Jon is also countless times described as a perfect younger version of Ned.
Yes, because Ned is Lyanna's sister. Him looking just like Ned is there to make tensions between him and Cat greater, and again to be a red herring. There's more, such as 3 Kingsguard knights defending the Tower of Joy for no reason, or the entire ominous promise, but if you really can't see it at this point after all the in-text and out of text evidence there's no point in the discussion it's like trying to argue with a flat earther

The best theory is also my favorite.

The Mad King Aerys is Jon's father and Lyanna is his mother. Everyone saw and heard about Rhaegar crowning Lyanna at the tournament (basically prom in the story. Seriously every older character is like haunted by memories of it, who danced with who, who said what, etc) and because he was mad he had her kidnapped and brought to him and raped her.

We know he did inappropriate things to Tywin's wife Joanna which leads to the second part of this theory: Jaime and Cersei are also Aerys' kids. His seed is so metaphorically poisoned that all the women he impregnated died in childbirth (Dany, Jon, and Jaime/Cersei. Joanna just died later with Tyrion who is ironically Tywin's only genetic legacy). This also means that the prince that was promised is based Jaime, who will be forced to stab Cersei to death so she doesn't use wildfire to destroy all of King's Landing when the Others are at their gates, and then Oathkeeper will light aflame and Jaime will step out into the Long Night and tear his way through all the white walkers.

You're right. There is no point arguing if all you can do is calling the other persons idiots while not being able to provide indisputable evidence.

Jamie is the Azor Ahai, Daenerys is the Prince that was Promised, and Jon is the Last Hero. Together they will defeat the armies of the dead.

Jamie is dead af in the books tho

Naah he'll get out of it somehow.

Nah he's going to be forced to help the brotherhood pull off Red Wedding 2.0 at Riverrun and then demand a trial by combat and they'll make him fight Brienne, who will lose on purpose.

Ashara Dayne + Dead Ned theory holds weight.

I honestly think it’s GURM trying to subvert the trope of the hidden heir coming into his birthright, like Aragorn or King Arthur.
It remains to be seen if he can do anything interesting with it.

Jaime has indirect king arthur influences when you involve Arthur Dayne into the mix and the fact that there is a love triangle with Jaime, the queen and Lancel like Arthur, the queen and Lancelot.

>Is there any plausible alternative theories for Jon's parentage in the books? I don't want Jon to be a Targ fucking shit.

Ned + Lyanna = Jon.

And if you take into account that he is actually the son of Aerys that would make Jaime a son of a Pendragon. Aerys would be Uther Pendragon so to speak. Ironically Gwen had the Lion sigil. But Uther Pendragons ( Arthurs Father who sired Arthur with a glamour sleeping with his enemies wife ) sigil was the Dragon sigil but was the colour of hair and eye colour.

>spits in the whole "prophecies and bloodlines don't matter" that Gurm goes for

That's clearly not the case, Gurm has prophecies come true all the time with red comets appearing all the time

I’m not so sure that the 3 are separate.

That pendragon connection makes so much sense. I can’t believe I never noticed it.

fake Aegon is not a Tag though, he's either a Blackfyre or Illyrio's rape baby

Now this I can get behind

>deliberately bait the fake plot to the show creators of your book that is destroying the popularity of your books so the shows destroys itself and the fans hate it because the show destroyed their favorite female character so people will turn towards waiting for the books but you will take another 10 years to write then because you haven't started but people won't have other choice than wait and suck your cock

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prophecies becoming true doesn't prophecies matter. The problem is figuring out what they mean. This is very explicit in the books.

The Arthurian influences that surround Jaime are obviously intentional. Pendragon just means head dragon or head of the dragon. And there's the whole dragon has three heads / three heads of the dragon etc prophecy stuff.

It would be hilarious if Jaime is legitimised and becomes King by the end of the story. I think it's possible he weds Sansa in the books. Ending in a similar fashion as the wars of the roses. Through political marriage. Thus uniting the dragon, lion and wolf blood line through Jaime and Sansa.

There has been foreshadowing of him on the throne after the killing of Aerys.

But I did always imagine Jaime to be the person who unmakes the Night King with a cheap shot, pulling the dragon glass dagger out of him with a magical fiery hand. ( taking place with the duel between the NK and Jon ).

The first wight killed in the story was Jon burning his hand, then we have Jojen stating we'll know the end staring at his hand engulfed in flame. Then Jon in the dragon pit raising a severed hand light the hand on fire stating that is how to defeat them, you have the warrior branch of the r'hllor religion called the order of the fiery hand, you have victarion gaining a magical fire hand in the books. And for some crazy reason we had Arthur Dayne ( the person Jaime wants to be most ) duel wielding for some reason instead of using Dawn.

Too bad it was all scrapped though.

That's too obvious. I think he's legit and Daenerys is a Blackfyre. She is named after Daemon Blackfyre's lover who he rose in rebellion for when denied her. You have the horselord / stallion imagery that surrounded the Blackfyres. And barbarians. Aegor was stated to be inspired by Conan the Barbarian. Dany is also surrounded by the horselord / stallion stuff, surrounded by barbarians. She's bonded to a black dragon who also breathes black fire.

Also Varys confession of switching the baby Aegon to a dying Kevan. It makes no sense to lie to a man who is seconds away from death. Just like Olenna stated to Jaime when she says who better but to discuss it with since she's about to be dead anyone. Why would Varys lie to a dying Kevan?

Yeah, too bad it was rushed. Jamie slaying the Night King also makes the entire journey to get a wight meaningful, as he is the only person they got on their side.

youtu.be/1Ti6z8KL44g

This theory is a lot more believable than the R+L=J shown in the show.

Also I've always imagined that if Jon was Azor Ahai ( Mel in the books confused is searching for Azor Ahai but she all she gets is 'Snow' ). ( capital S ). Then Id imagine his sword Lightbringer isn't a literal sword but a metaphoric sworn sword ( Jaime's profession ).

We know Lightbringer was forged with three attempts, first in water, second in a lion and third with the killing of his lover.

This can easily apply to Jaime if the forging of the sword is shedding the Kingslayer persona and returning to the heroic Knight he once was.

The first time was in the bath with Brienne, finally revealing the truth about what actually happened with the killing of Aerys, how he saved the population of kingslanding.

The second time was when he defied the Kings Justice and broke Tyrion out of prison releasing him which resulted in the killing of the Lion of Lannister / Tywin.

And the third forging would be the killing of Cersei. The person who keeps bringing him back to being a shitty person. As the shitting things he has a habit of doing always falls back on him and Cersei. To either protect her or get back to her.

So if he would to kill the Night King he would technically be a lightbringer. And a sword of the morning type character which he always wanted to be ( 'I wanted to be the sword of the morning but became the smiling knight instead ).

Would've been great to have a scene paralleling Neds duel with Arthur. The Night King defeats Jon, about to cut him in two and Jaime like Howland Reed jumps him from behind. Removing the dragon glass dagger and unmaking him.

GRRM was just making sure that the people he was signing his life's work over to had actually read the books. The R + L = J answer is plainly obvious to anyone.

You can bet 90% of the people in Hollywood he took meetings regarding a ASoIaF adaptation responded with, "Who the fuck is Jon Snow?" when he asked that question, before expressing a desire to turn the White Walkers into space aliens or some other stupid shit.

your a retard you fucking bitch