Why can't the west make something as compelling as Death Note

Anyone else not watch that much Anime anymore? I still watch the occasional show, but I have a hard time filtering the stuff that is actually worth watching and always end up wasting my time with a lot of episodes of trash. For example: I watched over 10 episodes of Darling La Frankx or whatever it's called.

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Nah, it's not even comparable.

Anime is complete shit now. The only quality anime from the mid 80s to the early 90s.

Same, i think we just grew up user

Nice well thought out response. Got me there.

Same. There's a lot to like but it's all too hidden for my taste.

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Chernobyl so far has being very compelling.
Dexter S1 very good too.
Those are just some off the top of my head.

Death Note is ridiculous, it was popular because of the character designs and style — the plot is actually bad throughout the entire series, or rather after the first arc it goes from bad to terrible.

Because they can't resist the temptation to water it down for the lowest common denominator because muh megabux

I stopped watching anime because I wanted to play video games and read more
Now I don't watch anime because most stuff just seems low quality
I still enjoy old favorites; Yea Forums would hate me.

No, people liked it because how it focused on an anti-hero protagonist who goes psycho with a unique killing method. People think he'd be uncatchable and are interested in seeing how the police would even go about finding someone like him. That's what glued me to the edge of my seat back then.

>writes plot into a corner
>literally makes up fake rules to keep going
Yeah man it’s the most well written and suspenseful piece of media this planet has ever seen.

death note isn't that good

>literally makes up fake rules
Such as?

The part where he literally makes up the fake rules.

>, either

Lol

>forgo writing an intelligent and well thought out plot by having the gigagenius main character turn into a complete and utter fucking retard and give himself away to the police whenever it suited the plot
bravo

The 13 day rule?

That was Light's plan to secure an alibi and not some meta rewrite about how the show works.

Are you retarded?

based

The Promised Neverland. I'll concede that the beginning of Death note is better than Neverland, but after episode 9 it nosedives in quality. Whereas Neverland starts and ends strong.

Are you talking about when he creates his own guideliness for use of the notebook?

It’s fucking padding, dude. It was retarded.

Seriously, it has some good moments, but op is obviously an entry level weeboo faggot who probably watched the dub on crunchy roller yesterday.

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Elaborate.

Pretty much only happens once and it's because he's on a power trip thinking he's untouchable.

But this happens all the time in real life

I tried that but she said no. No matter how much anime I watch they always say no.

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Same, but mostly because all I ever watch is stuff from the 70's through 90's and I'm starting to run out of interesting shit to watch. Legitimately considering watching some 70's shojo or something, which'd be wildly out of my area of interest. Then again, I already watched one show about fucking cavemen so why not

Yes. deathnote.fandom.com/wiki/Fake_Death_Note_Rules

As a teen, I believed Light was right and I enjoyed the ride of trying to see if he could come out on top unopposed.
I don't remember why I was watching Code Geass, outside of the protagonists being similar. The political aspect of the show really went over my head. Now that was a show I watched according to your description. Death Note was different.

So you would have been satisfied if they caught Light then and there after he let himself be imprisoned?

fucking lol

You used a comma very incorrectly while talking shit about someones grammar

Ok. So he had a certain way he wanted to use it. So what?

His psychopathy is the point.

What you want is a normie who would never be caught because he'd never compete with L. Yeah good show lmao

The fucker gets caught in the end anyway. He’s a sociopathic retard that only 14 year olds like. Fuck him.

Using a comma before a sentence-ending either is permissible and in no way incorrect. I could have easily skipped it.

Wrong, he kills L and the show ends there. Whatever comes after is fanfiction.

But the fake rules werent made by light they were made to trick him

>very incorrectly
Haha

I watch Urusei Yatsura maybe 1 or twice a month. It's complete on YouTube.

I don't think that's it. There's still some great moments that give me chills (pic related), it's just that it seems really hard for a show to maintain enough consistent quality for me to bother keeping up with it.

Maybe I'll try to watch some more stuff next year.

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>Death Note has rules
>”he wanted his own rules”
I... what?

Why is anime so fucking cringey?
Especially when they overexplain subtext, like the audience is expected to be literally autis- Wait, never mind

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Hahaha!

>Whatever comes after is fanfiction.
No. Near > L

The 13 day rule was made by Light. It's his plan to trick the police into thinking Kira has to kill continuously in order not to be killed himself. Once he lets himself be imprisoned, the killings stop and he doesn't die, ergo he is not Kira. But the killings continue without him doing anything, corroborating his alibi even further.

Did you even watch the show?

>”The Fake Death Note Rules are two rules that Light Yagami persuades the Shinigami Ryuk to write into the Death Note as part of a plan to clear him of suspicion.”
k

Light has his guidelines for use. Then there are rules inherent to the book. What is confusing? Also there were some fake rules thrown in their just to fuck with light.

They are deliberate fake rules made by him to trick the police.

I guess, you would have just let yourself be caught without even thinking of such an idea, right? lmao

My favorite trope about anime is when they use tons of diagrams to explain a really simple concept or thought experiment, with "thoughtful" music playing in the background.

jewish nepotism

What I would have done is have the time passed in the show go on much longer.
By the second episode, we already have L introduced, which is fine, we could work with that. We just have Light watch the broadcast, chuckle to himself, then go on about his business, and L can't do shit.
So a year or so passes of Light continuing to kill criminals, and L has no leads to go on other than him taking all the data of the accumulated deaths, formulating a pattern, and then coming to the conclusion that the killer must be in Tokyo.

It shows that Light isn't stupid enough to reveal himself like that, and that L is indeed smart enough to hunt down a killer who leaves no evidence. And this happens all within the span of one episode, only needing timeskips obviated by the "One Year Later" title card.
From there, you could proceed with the entire plot as it happened and have a much better show.

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>One Piece went to shit after the timeskip
>My Hero Academia had glimpses of brilliance but burned out before its second season was over
>There's nothing else big and remotely interesting going on
Fuck me, I guess

Explain why the orphanage and Near's existence is inconceivable.

Light is still an impulsive teenager. He reacts emotionally and not rationally in every situation.

>makes up fake rules to keep going

Well obviously. He is trying to not get caught.

It isn’t confusing. It’s padding and lazy writing.

Doesn’t change the fact that it’s plot padding that ultimately goes nowhere.

>I know that you know that i know that you know that i know that you know.

Got old fast, i can why edgy 13 year old like this though.

I disagree. Name two instances where this is true after Episode 2 but before he joins the Force.

>Doesn’t change the fact that it’s plot padding that ultimately goes nowhere.
Wrong. It lets Light finally kill L without his alibi being compromised.

pretty much. i did appreciate the writing a lot and the english performances are decent enough but i would have rather it commented more on the moral and ethical dilemmas raised by light's actions. instead we are just forced to accept he's pure evil with no redeeming qualities to make way for the crime/thriller plot, which of course isn't a great detriment as it stands as a fine achievement as a crime/thriller/noir show, but it never quite reaches the heights that it so desires.

>killing the FBI for no reason
>attacking Near's location immediately after he got hold of the information

In what way is it bad writing?

>Especially when they overexplain subtext
You mean like constantly cutting away to side characters saying out loud what the audience can clearly see for themselves?

>No. Near > L

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Light is ultimately found out for being the complete piece of shit he is and then gets killed. How we get there is dumb. If he made it through and was never found out, it would’ve been way more interesting and all the dumb shit in the show wouldn’t feel hollow upon reflection.

>“Hey this thing works this way. What if we just made up fake rules to keep it going?”

Exactly, subtext probably is the wrong word, because I am a simple man. But not simple enough to enjoy anime without cringing.

I still enjoyed Death Note though and even watch One Piece

>every scheme the main character comes up with has to be successful

kys

Deathnote should have ended when L died

>the main character has to win at the end or the story is bad
are you retarded?

Yeah but he’s supposed to be like the mostest smartest guy everer tho.

Nice goal post moving.
>If he made it through and was never found out, it would’ve been way more interesting

Yeah good show where nothing happens lmao

No but when you pull the rug out from under everything you realize how pointless it all is and you wonder why you even watched it in the first place. It’s basically just watching a murderer get caught in slow motion. At least in (and I know I keep bringing it up) Breaking Bad, even though Walt dies, his ultimate goal of providing for his family is still realized and there’s some closure in regards to things like that. In Death Note he just fucking dies and they go “well we got him”.

...

>killing the FBI for no reason
the man or his wife?
>attacking Near's location immediately after he got hold of the information
I said before he joined the force. He didn't meet Near until he was a grown man, while you're calling him an impetuous teenager.

problem is that neither L or Light won but instead that little brat Near got all the credits; Death Note is a very character oriente show with insane detailed interactions and mindgames which the second part didnt have... it should have ended at ep25 but they tried to milk it like always. The first part of DN is still the best anime out there imo

bec it is

Either the protagonist has to win in some way or the audience isn’t satisfied. He doesn’t win. At all. Yes he’s a piece of shit you’re not supposed to root for but why make a show where there’s a main character like that in the first place?

I definetly feel the need to rewatch death note

Kaiji ultimate survivor. Its about a neet who gets into underground yakuza gambing and has to pay off a big debt from his friend. This anime is underrated because it doesn't have any Harem/Ecchi crap......But you know what that means right? All the concentration is giving to the storyline and character development. The anime is really in depth about what the character(s) is thinking, what MC is thinking of his opponent's thoughts... etc... its basically psychological wars in detail that will give you a boner

In my opinion, coming from someone who still likes Death Note season 2 (in large part due to nostalgia), I feel like 2's problem was that there were too many characters who were huge players.
Remember Matt and how huge a fandom he got, despite being a character of just one episode? Then there's Mello, Mikami, etc.
In Season 1, it's really just Light versus L, and everyone else's roles, including Misa, are downplayed. Instead, in part 2, we get a bunch of other people who are involved in the powerplay that the show has to spend a lot of attention on in order to have the plot make sense.

It's not, it's just fucking stupid.

As a fan of Light, I wasn't so much upset that he lost, as that his death was handled really badly. He doesn't get any time for reflection while he's crawling away or dying on the steps, there's no observance on the impact he's had on the world like in the manga, there's no visual of him fading into oblivion, and worst of all, there was no piano rendition of "The World" playing in the background.
It was just really unsatisfying. He gets shot, gets told, then goes to die.

That's what I actually liked about Part 2 though. L is a super smart dude, but he was really the only person Light had to worry about. Neither Near nor Mellow were quite as good as L, but their sudden appearance, along with their respective allies, throws in a chaotic element that allows them to catch Light in the end.

Light only ever reflects on how great he is or how to win. He never ever reflected on the morality of his actions, why would he start doing that just because he's lost?

he killed the FBI bec he wanted to send a message to all other police in the world. Light is very proactive instead of reactive, he doesnt want to hide, he always wanted to get closer to L

Seems to be a common thing in anime, at least in shounen. The best advice I can give is to just not watch shounen.

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You watch DN for the absurd contrivance of how a guy who is able to commit the perfect crime manages to be stupid enough to get caught, not because it's a work of unparalleled genius

>show has a great first half
>second half is terrible
sounds like alot of western dramas

putting words in my mouth
I never said what he'd reflect about; just that we really needed to be inside his head in those last moments, and we get nothing

If you put it that way it becomes a show not worth watching.

He did reflect on his actions; light rationalized that he was killing criminals. As to his actions kikking people later he rationalized that he waa defending himself. Plus he also started to get off on getting away with more and more.

Because it is a show not worth watching.

I think it has to do something with the mangaka thinking that fans wont get his super awesome character plan so he goes an extra mile to explain with diagramms so even the most retarded people can understand whats going on

w/e

Nepotistic media control. Kikes and commies control 90% of productions. They run a socialist model made for the people making money with the monopoly and not the audience.

Take the Flash from CW for example; a billion cast members that never die off. Every episode is directed by a different person because they want to put as many industry friends there as possible. There's no big story or epic, it's just cow-milking their monopoly. The new Han Solo was cast in a bar mitzvah, half of the big female names in hollywood officially became big as we know them today by literally sucking a jewish cock.

Manga is different. Manga is made by 1 guy, both writer and artist. Manga is the soul of a person. The maker is essentially spending half of his fertile young life making his magnum opus, the thing he'll be remembered for. Compared to Hollywood, nepotism and vanity are non-existent in that industry. Publishers will publish any individual that comes by and can get sales to allow for as free of a market as possible. Whether or not people like it is the only thing that matters.

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>Manga is made by 1 guy
not true for DN

Yes, but it's a general point. You'll never see the level of IP molestation you have in the west, where you lose track of how many times a story switched authors.

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Best psychological thriller in any medium is Kaiji

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This

What is it about fucktards not getting the point of the show?
The point of the show never was about a smart guy that wants to do all that it takes to not be catched. Because that would be exceedingly easy to the point it'd make a dull show.

The point of the show was about a guy that's as narcissistic as smart. He gives out info willingly because he doesn't just want to not get caught, he wants to be noticed and do what he does in the open, but without still getting caught. He wants to become a judge God that everyone knows and reveres, and that the police can never catch despite him laughing at them.

That's the fun of the show.

I still watch jojo and the occasional good show if it exists like mob psycho season 2
I deffinitly watch alot less now but thats rather because as a kid and teen i could literally enjoy anything because it was all new to me
Maybe thats because most anime is made for young boys? Iam 22 now

Show would have been great if light won at the end
>stops all wars on earth bringing world peace just like that
>80% of crime dissapeared just like that
Yes sure hes a psycho but so is literally all our world leaders

I didn't like this show. Thought it was boring.

This but pachinko arc kills the show almost
Especially the part with all the balls in the tray and them wanting to take out kaiji even though the balls were still technicly ingame

Death Note is the epitome of "just turn your brain off bro lol" show. Completely ridiculous plot twists at every turn.

Reminder that anime, even the ones you find deep, is primarily for children and young teens.

What makes a show childish and what makes a show layered and thoughtful? If you can find the exact same content between an anime show and your typical Hollywood movie or tv program i.e Black Lagoon and a Tarantino flick then you are going to have to elaborate on to what makes one more childish than the other.