>the supposed "greatest threat to humanity" doesn't even make it past Winterfell
Anyone else think perhaps Cersei was right and they weren't as big a deal as everyone was claiming they were? Hell, they wouldn't have even been able to make it as far as they had if a certain someone hadn't provided them with a free dragon.
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night king was such a stupid idea. the show was supposed to be about medieval political intrigues not muh epic battle of good vs evil
It wasn't supposed to be a critique of partisan bickering while facing a dangerous threat that could wipe out the entirety of humanity?
cliche
Even in the books I was annoyed by this. There's such a good and interesting story there and GRRM insists on ruining it with magic shit like dragons, Melisandre, and the Others (which is what the White Walkers are called in the book).
Everything is cliche. Stop being fooled by subversive plot twists
>GRRM insists on ruining it with magic shit like dragons, Melisandre, and the Others
It's a fantasy book, dipshit. Do you get mad when you open a restaurant menu and see food everywhere?
If they didn't give him a fucking dragon and manned the wall with a couple thousand soldiers and gave them wildfire/oil, the night king wouldn't have even made it to winterfell.
It's historical fiction, retard.
Showfags a shit.
Don't fool yourself. The White Walkers intrigued you from s1-s3 and you were excited for what was goint to emerge.
Late seasons fucked it up.
Don't tell me what I'm allowed to think you jackass.
>thing/plot point/character seems important in GoT
>it's actually a dud
it's the entire series in a nutshell. just empty hype from start to finish
how the fuck brainlets memed themselves into making this the most popular series ever, I'll never know
Well keep in mind that the books had been building hype for over 15 years prior to the show. That's one hell of a head start.
I fucking hate food
Consider the following:
>NK is not in the books and will never be. He was all D&D.
More like the Maesters were right. Everyone was running around like a panicked chicken, but they knew that the White Walkers were just a temporal threat, one that humanity had no problem surviving.
I can't tell if this is a troll or not. Probably. If I wanted to read about the middle ages in a realistic way I'd read a fucking history book or someone like Ken Follet, actual historical fiction, not fantasy.
The political shit was also handled like shit. They shit all over Littlefinger and Varys' characters and all the political intrigue and war and botched all those storylines. The fantasy crap did seem like weird crap that didn't matter, but the War of the Five Kings, politics, and character development also didn't matter at all.
If they didn't care about the fantasy shit, they should have just cut it all out and tried to do the political drama well. Like those constant prestige dramas about steamy bodice ripping English queens shit that keep getting pumped out. And who am I kidding, those aren't well done or interesting, but at least they acknowledge that's what they want to be.
Which makes it all the more embarrassing that they put zero effort into his costume. Like the guy is visibly made of rubber and just looks like a half-hearted attempt to copy Darth Maul. Why bother going out of your way to create this big leader of the White Walkers if you're not even going to make him look cool? A regular guy with white face paint would have looked better than this.
No it wasn't you utter mongoloid. It was about the futility of man on man conflict.
We forget that 99% of all species have gone extinct and we're not immune against it, yet we're one of the like 4 living species that willingly kill one another.
The book is more vague about it, but the show White Walkers are clearly a metaphor for WMDs.
I suggest you read a book every now and then you fucking illiterate nigger.
You're on the intellectual level of an upper middle class frustrated housewife who likes to see people drinking wine and scheming to feel intelligent and to get their murderboner satisfied.
You absolute retard.
It was definitely written very badly. It could have been good if more main characters had died.
At the very start when Brienne gets overwhelmed immediately I thought she was dead. Then Jaime walks over and saves her and that pretty much set the tone. If she'd been immediately killed it would have had a lot of emotional weight but instead the whole episode was just flicking between shots of plot armour as each main character appeared hopelessly overwhelmed against impossible odds but then magically survives.
The whole army being so vulnerable to the night king dying was also just retarded. If all they had to do was kill him they should have gone all out with the dragons from the first second.
>the white walkers are metaphors for WMDs
Um no you big dopey cunt, the dragons are metaphors for WMDs. The white walkers are overwhelmingly obviously a metaphor for climate change. How dumb can one person be?
It only "doesn't matter" because we still don't know where he's intending to go with it, because he's not finished. The magic shit was clearly only put in there to pander to the average fantasy reader. Which, the act of doing that brings down the book and weakens GRRM as a writer, but he has the potential to be a good writer, and you can see that when he writes about something realistic, like Fevre Dream.
It's fantasy. It's a made-up world with seasons that last years, made up orders like "maester" and "septon", religions based on gods the author invented, sorcerers, monsters, and completely invented poisons and chemical weapons, and prophecies. If you were under the impression that even the non-magic stuff was historically accurate to our world, you're a dumbass.
>created by the enemy side during a losing war, to mass exterminate the humans, and it ends up almost exterminating everyone
>not WMDs
this is you
>Martin is opposed to fan fiction, which he views as copyright infringement and a bad exercise for aspiring writers in terms of developing skills in worldbuilding and character development.
Then why did he let D&D ruin his show?
>Dany giving the dragon to the White Walkers accelerated their takeover, like how the use of WMDs accelerated the effects of climate change
Nah he's actually right, that's a pretty good analogy. George Bush may have ruined the planet for us.
Kek this is the most retarded thing I have ever read
>dragons
>only one side has them
>overwhelming military advantage
>ends up destroying an entire city of a million people in furtherance of winning a war
>white walkers
>while everyone is fighting wars between themselves and jostling for power there is a 'real enemy' very slowly building behind the scenes
>everyone ignores the enemy and doesn't think that it's true
>one day it is too late and the enemy has become such a problem that it is now going to wipe out all of humanity
>not climate change
Imagine actually being as retarded as you
Climate change wasn't really discussed when the books came out. The Others were more the inevitability of death, the inevitability of the fall of every great civilization eventually, and sure any big existential threat like plagues, natural disasters, extinction level catastrophes and shit. Like Mount Vesuvius didn't care about Roman politics in Pompeii, human shit doesn't matter to them, they roll right over humans like ants and snuff them out. A meteor strike or supernova would do the same.
George R.R. Martin himself already made this clear, as if it wasn't already overwhelmingly obvious.
You're going to have to face up to the reality that you're a fucking retard, friend.
Yeah but is it high or low fantasy
You realize that this analogy also means that climate change will also be immediately stopped in its tracks and instantly eradicated when some little girl stabs the ozone layer or something.
So does anyone else think that what actually happen is that Jon becomes the Night's King all over again instead of the King of the North?
I mean, think about it, the White Walkers want something, maybe there's a female white walker that wants to marry a Stark that's leading the White Walker army. Jon finds out about it, says that he'll agree to marry her if she ends the war on the living.
That's when Dany falls in love with him. Jon says, "nope" already betrothed to the Queen White Walker. Dany goes mad, he kills her. He goes to the far north to marry the queen white walker and that's it?
This particular metaphor didn't come into it until the show really. But if it was G.R.R.M.'s message, D&D fucked it up. The message seems to be if a cataclysmic catastrophe of any kind ever happens, just ignore it and a little girl will make it all go away in five seconds. It'll take care of itself. Ignore tidal waves, earthquakes, nuclear disasters outside your window a little girl will just wander over and make it disappear like it never happened without breaking a sweat.
Yeah you're gonna have to blame D&D for that one. I think the overall point though was that it was stopped when the major powers stopped jostling for the throne and worked together to stop it.
How did they ignore it exactly? Half the country unites and sacrifices themselves to fight it. Yes Arya is the one who ultimately lands the killing blow but you realise a metaphor stops being a metaphor if it becomes LITERAL?
Scrolling through the last third of this thread is really eye opening and how completely fucking illiterate half of Yea Forums is, I mean holy fuck.
High-fantasy, low-magic.
Hm. So what is the fact that they immediately went right back to killing each other after they solved the issue a metaphor for?
Not only did they fuck it up, they made Cersei's case for ignoring it by having her suffer no consequences while the other sides that worked against it suffer heavy losses. Then in a double subversion, that didn't matter either because those forces magically respawned and multiplied with no logical explanation. So none of the characters' actions or choices had consequences or mattered at all. Nothing mattered.
I guess the moral of the story was sheer nihilism and apathy, but in a really stupid and poorly written way (there are well written nihilistic works and this isn't one of them).
>Anyone else think perhaps Cersei was right and they weren't as big a deal as everyone was claiming they were?
Cersei was right about everything, which really subverts the old expectations.
D&D kind of forgot about good writing.
He only was able to Theon.
Well I imagine that's exactly what would happen in real life if the world's major powers came together to make a meaningful plan of action against climate change and CO2 really did fall dramatically and we saw a reversal of the negative effects.
Because you can have symbolism and metaphors in a work of fiction without following them through to completely mirror real life in every way you fucking dope.
Well they fought smart, arming themselves with obsidian etc. Fire clearly wasn't enough as we see the Dothraki just get consumed in a matter of minutes.
If you took 10,000 soldiers, say the Golden Company and threw them into the forces of the undead, you'd lose 10,000 soldiers and the process would have repeated until they overtook all of Westeros.
The only reason they knew about needing to kill the Night King was because of John confronting one of his officers and witnessing the effect of killing him.
Conventional weapons would have been used everywhere and everyone would have failed.
Literally won because they Kevin Mcallistered the place.
It's because of how poorly they botched the whole conclusion. It was rushed through in three episodes. The characters spent them sniping a d infighting about political shit, not working together on any coherent strategy. Everything about their strategy was idiotic, but there were no consequences for infighting and stupid strategy because all the named characters (almost all, and they originally meant to have Jorah live and only killed him because they literally could not think of how to write him and had to get rid of him) miraculously lived with no injuries despite being swarmed by zombies.
Melisandre gives Arya a pep talk, Arya runs right over all on her own and shanks the Night King, the Others instantly go poof like they were never there with no sacrifice or teamwork involved. Within minutes this is all forgotten and it's all just about Jon being King, only for everyone to forget that completely in another two episodes. The end of the series managed to make everything and everyone in the whole series seem pointless and the plot and characters incoherent.
>he doesn't salute like Night King did when he threw the spear
Missed opportunity.
Not that guy. You could have had these thoughts and messages in the show, but they weren't there. They were so rushed all they could do was hit a bunch of bullet points with no thematic resonance at all.
By the way, does anyone know what kind of accent Jon Snow has? It seems to be a different accent from whatever Harington has in real life. Can any Brit tell me what accent he's supposed to be doing?
They would have melted before they made it to king's landing.
the writers are idiots , there is straight up reddit grade fanfiction that gives a better conclusion to the major arcs. Its a trainwreck that will haunt their careers.
Not if their Star Wars ends up being a massive success. That's the whole reason they rushed it, you know? HBO wanted them to do at least two more seasons but they were like "Nah fuck you, Disney is giving us a bazillion dollars to do Star Wars" and yeeted out of there.
Yorkshire, same as Sean Bean. He's actually from the south and has a pretty posh accent but he puts on the northern voice in GOT.
I mean yeah the show fucked over the White Walkers but let's get real now: is there a way to get to GRRM's "ending notes" without making the Others a complete pushover/misdirection from the real plotline (the Throne)?
I get the feeling ADOS will be half dealing with the Others and the other half with politics just like the show. This will always be inelegant as fuck.
And I get the feeling there will be at least eight books because there's no way he's going to wrap this up in seven. That's probably part of why it's taking so long.
*snow falling*
Several decades after his death, after the death of the Night King, the land is peaceful and complacent...
*zoom into a small snow-covered village*
The North was slowly repopulated by those who no longer had reason to fear the White Walkers nor their dreaded leader. But the prophets saw ominous signs. Their study of lunar patterns predicted an eclipse of some sort, a long winter never mentioned in the books of their forebears.
*families standing in a village square gazing up at the moon covering the sun*
A long winter had fallen. Daylight lasted no longer a few hours, and soon enough had ceased completely. Fires burned continuously to ward off wolves and other sinister creatures prowling the borders of the towns and villages who had no option but to stay and hope for the light to return. Then, one by one, the fires began to die out...
>magically respawned
This shit was so annoying
>Oh wow, they lost a fucking shitload of unsullied in that battle, wonder how they'll deal with the loss of numbers
>Seems like they have even fucking more afterwards
Were they just fucking shipping them in nonstop?
Yeah, I just really can't figure out how to solve the threat of the Others in a satisfactory way. I really can't. It's probably part of why George is having a hard time with the books, because he's stumped about it as well.
It doesn't help that we already know just how huge of a threat they were. The Others were so fucking devastating during the Long Night that they were seen as an apocalyptic event, it was basically humanity desperately fighting for their lives and in the end they still couldn't truly defeat the Others and basically managed to place them way up north and use the Wall as a seal for them. What happened in episode 3 of season 8 was anything but apocalyptic, it didn't have any of the dire feeling of the end that the Others supposedly brought in the Long Night.
Just think, George will somehow have to have the Others live up to their hype, but it's really just not possible. It's the hard truth here.
I think if one book was about the Others devestating all of Westeros instead of only impacting Winterfell. If the over spread a lot of the continent and real sacrifice and ingenuity was needed to defeat them, leaving a changed and devastated Westeros.
Then, the last book could still be about the Throne again. But the Others War has to matter. Maybe it even fills in holes for us. Maybe the Others War is so horrible that it drives Daenerys insane. Maybe Sansa's political savvy is used repeatedly for them to cooperate to thwart the Others, making her ending as Queen of the North feel earned. Same with Bran, maybe his powers and leadership become indispensible, making him a reasonable leader the lords would follow. Maybe seeing man on the brink of extinction is what makes Arya abandon vengeance instead of just having Sandor say "hey Arya stop being vengeful" "okay Sandor thanks." Maybe Jon is Azor Ahai and gains followers and that angle has to be dealt with. People have thrown a million ideas out. Fan ideas are always stupid but pretty much anything would or will be better than what did happen.
They could have so easily resolved it by simply having her reveal that she hadn't really given all of her forces to help the cause but had actually sent half to King's Landing.
It would show that she was dishonest and obsessed with power and set up her later actions more credibly.
The worst thing was the Dothraki. I can accept that the unsullied might have survived but the entire Dothraki army + Ghost charges head on into the undead about a mile away from backup and somehow thousands of them survived?
Fuck off.
>yet we're one of the like 4 living species that willingly kill one another.
Show had problems like this for a while, like back in the Battle of the Bastards where they started running at each other at different times and yet met each other perfectly in the middle. These guys do not know how to write anything that is not cliched.
I think maybe he meant species capable of civilized thought and not mere instinct.
>Scene 1 episode 1 White Walkers appear setting off the first scene with the Starks
The most political we get is a marriage to a warlord on another continent. The biggest intrigue we get is a man pushing a child out a window to keep his incest a secret. The show was always supposed to be about the bigger threat, they just stopped caring
Yep. Winter is coming is not the Stark's constantly warning about wildfire emissions having a consequence. They are warning that a time of death is coming, and you have to be prepared for it.
>there’s a direct analogy in here somewhere
White walkers are just interesting things. They didn’t present a threat to everyone.
They weren’t even a serious issue early on.
Because Arya killing the Night King has absolutely no build up and makes so little logical sense it seems she could have done that anytime regardless of circumstance. The Night King is surrounded by his lieutenants, his army of wights, and there is no clear path to him. Despite all of this, despite the fact the wights have super hearing, and despite the fact that living ice beings should simply be able to feel anything warm as alien she gets the drop on the Night King. With all those protections Arya was able to kill him with relative ease, making any sacrifice seem like a waste.
That makes sense, thanks. So England is kind of the opposite of America in that the south is full of the fancy schmancy tea-drinking high-rise living Beethoven listening types and the North is all the rough and tumble man of the land wrestle a bear and drink beer types? It's a good accent anyway, much better than his actual one. I'm glad they had him do it instead of having the others accommodate his accent.
Climate change IS the inevitability of death. Just on a more specific scale. Just because you can make the analogy more ambiguous doesn't make the more specific analogy false.
Well most animals with somewhat reasonable intelligence tend to at least try to avoid seriously violent confrontation if possible not because they're so good natured but because even if you win a fight in nature a small infected injury will kill you. It still happens but stuff like being territorial happens because they try to avoid it and each other a lot. Chimps are the big exception and they only attack if they overwhelmingly outnumber the single chimp they're killing so they're at no risk. Faced with even somewhat even odds they run like hell. It's just not worth it. By our standards they're huge fucking pussies, like a gang of 7 guys who run if just two dudes show up to defend the dude they're kicking the shit out of.
Plus even if it did make sense it is the most disgusting use of effects I have ever seen. The way she flies in looks so fucking unnatural and fake. Would it have killed them to put a bit more effort into the visual execution of this supposedly climactic moment?
Just think about how much money has gone into the fucking marketing of this show and then you watch it and it has a Doctor Who tier budget.
I liked how they forcefully brought up the "kill green, blue, brown" eyes line from like S2 but switched the order of the colors around to imply she meant the White Walkers were her last target.
Honestly, this season was characters referencing old one liners from previous seasons that made people go "hmm" and passing that off as character development.
Grrm is shit writer and people who like him are 90IQ nerds who think they age smart because they like star wars and fantasy. Meanwhile they can barely pass high school math exam. See, me as a stem graduate in physical chemistry i am laughing at these pseudo nerds and you all. I am 160 iq, 190 cm tall, 23 cm penis, fit, athletic, handsome as fuck, blue eyes and face like irl model. Pathetic incel virgin racist who like anime and this shit alwaxs make me laugh
People who like anime don't like Game of Thrones. The people who watch Game of Thrones are the people who think they're too good for anime so they watch live action fantasy and think it's "fucking awesome" and "badass" even though it's worse because the women aren't even cute.
Everybody's already mentioned this, but the absolute worst was when they had that moment before The Bells playing every single line characters have ever said about Targaryeans going crazy over a shot of Dany looking angry. It was so WTF awkward it was clear the people involved with cutting the previously on segment together didn't think they moment felt earned. Made even worse by Tyrion monologing to Jon (but really to the viewer) for 30 minutes about how the writers actually totally did build that up. The Arya thing was similarly terrible but that was even more amateur feeling.
>Have the humans be defeated everywhere slowly losing contact with each other
>The ravens begin to cease being able to fly effectively due to winter storms. No information is able to spread
>Everywhere outside of strong fortifications is gone. Only villages of wights are to be found.
>Almost nobody has seen the Others beyond the wall, they are usually just assumed to be where the worst winter storms are.
>Ships can't travel across the raging seas at all
>Only Dany and her dragons can move around to spread information in person, and Bran can use his powers to organize humanity as well
>People group of in King's Landing as one of the last safe places for humans
>The others and wights attack in full force
>Dany resorts to burning all of King's Landing not being able to distinguish between human and wight
>Wildfire ignites blowing the whole powder keg
>Finally those left armed with Obsidian can fight back dealing a decisive blow to the Others
From there maybe Dany leads a factions dedicated to burning everything between King's Landing and the Wall, something so extreme Jon has to kill her.
>dude nookz lmao
You know what else is annoying? That part in Blade Runner where you hear the "It's too bad she won't live, but then again who does" line a second time, like maybe two minutes after the first time it's said. That has nothing to do with this but it annoys me so I wanted to bring it up.
I actually think D&D did a fine job of depicting climate change with the white walkers
>Years of hype and talk of inevitable doom
>Is actually not even a real threat and in the end everyone who believed it would be made fools of themselves
Maybe Dany is a representation of western countries destroying themselves in the fight against a non-existing threat.
>lose a dragon and half your military might
lose your closest friend and in the process, your sanity
die by the hand of the man who talked you into fighting against said non-existent threat in the first place
>yet we're one of the like 4 living species that willingly kill one another.
Lel
Yeah the only good part of it being so garbage is it makes it so much easier to explain how stupid it was
>Come on user her whole story is being trained as a bad ass assassin
>We watched all of her training, it was mostly sweeping and cleaning dead bodies. Even if she trained more off screen, she wasn't trained to force jump across a castle
>....
Only the worst parts of it are fantasy
Honestly, Maisie Williams's sole purpose to kill Night King kind of retroactively ruined all of her arc for me. I can't watch her story anymore while keeping in mind where it leads to and how it ends in literally fucking nothing. It just doesn't make sense to me, she went from very unfortunate kid who is on the run who used to sleep in a dirt and hang out with people like Sandor Clegane to ninja anime girl. For some reason the bridge from point A to point B just doesn't work for me.
More than that, every scene involving
>Bran going to the three eyed crow
>North of the wall
>The White Walkers
>Discussing the White Walkers
>Prophecy/Azor Ahai
>Winter is coming
>The North Remembers
>The night is dark
All huge wastes of time. Walker's were not a threat, all Bran needed was autism and some kind of story to make him non objectionable, winter lasted a night, and prophecy was bullshit. While I can accept prophecy is bullshit, I can't except it being replaced with random nonsense that makes it all feel like a huge waste of time.
>watching old Alt Shift X vids
>he talks about the history of the others and the northmen
>that GRRM writes stuff that isn’t black and white and calls out LOTR for good vs evil stuff
>possible pact between others/humans, offerings, that the others built the wall, that perhaps they aren’t the bad ones
>NAH DW THEYRE BAD AND THEY ATTACK AND ARYA KILLS THEM LMAO
Faggot
A Song of Ice and Fire was so anime that even before the show, people were drawing anime pictures of it. Here's my favorite picture of Sandor Clegane.
>Know Craster's offerings work
>Show even proves the White Walkers reproduce through humans
>Were created by the Children of the Forest from a human
>Clearly know how to make weapons, armor, chains, and even art/symbols
>Use strategy
>Ignore all these hints at a possible codependent relationship and an intelligent species just to make them mindless evil
Bravo Dabid
Oh no it wasn't subverted enough for you, where is muh twist, quick someone get shyamalan over here, we have a code 6.
*dabs on you*
But plants thrive on higher CO2 and there's still no link to CO2 concentrations leading to spikes in temperatures
Have you even read any of the studies? There's a clear link between the two. Get out of your echochamber someday.
>night king was such a stupid idea
The only stupid thing was creating him, only to exist as a shitty deus ex machina so that they could have an easy way to win against imopssible odds. All of this just so dumb&dumber could shift away from the greater, meaningful fight for survival and go back to pissing contests between idiots because they are morons themselves with no writing skills or the ability to figure what this story is about.
>food analogy
lose weight, fatty
Still better than a video game analogy.
Have you? You must be talking about those 2 dozen ((((models)))) out of a few thousand that project dramatic changes in several decades to millennia. Not quite sure how rerolling the dice until you get one you like constitutes as evidence.
>4 parentheses
My god you can't even meme right and you expect me to believe you have any idea what you're talking about. Hilarious. We're done here, you've lost.
>All my "points" are limited to assertions
>You are the one who lost
I'll leave you to think about that one.
Consider the following:
Johnson, L.B. (1991). On the front lines: Police stress and family well-being. Hearing before the Select Committee on Children, Youth, and Families House of Representatives: 102 Congress First Session May 20 (p. 32-48). Washington DC: US Government Printing Office.
BLUE EYES
4 replies in, I gotta ask. What point do you think you are making?
arya trained a very specific set of skills to do with impersonation, infiltration and silent murder of human beings. the faceless men aren't gladiators or crusaders. Night King was a fantasy monster requiring a fantasy solution. you don't even get a sneak attack bonus on undead.
Well I was hoping that you'd be so confused by that last post that I would get the last word and that would be the end of it, but I guess not. Anyway, did you know Joji was the last musical guest of Carson Daly's show? I thought that was an interesting final choice. I hadn't heard his music before. I thought it wasn't very good but girls were cheering like he was some sort of sex machine. It was weird.
it's basically the overarching theme of the series yes. I mean it was until it turned out that all that was actually needed was one 45kg girl and a knife.
She should have impersonated the Night King. How much cooler would that be, he turns around and sees himself flying at him.
Let's face it, no one here would have any problem with how the Night King was killed if the actress playing Arya was hot. I never see anyone criticize Sansa for anything and I know it's because Sansa has the hottest actress in the show.
>I never see anyone criticize Sansa for anything
Try harder
Name one thing. I'll wait.
>I never see anyone criticize Sansa for anything
well she's the smartest person in the show
>the supossed "greatest threat to the entire world" doesn't even make it pass Middenheim
>gets his shit beaten by a fucking orc instead of Valten
You and me have clearly been on different sites if you honestly haven´t seen people bashing on salsa. I´ll list some qualities she is criticized on
>power hungry and petty for getting jealous of Jon becoming king in the north
>Scheming little bitch who promised to keep Aegon´s identity a secret and literally in the next scene tells it to Tyrion
>Did nothing to earn the title of queen and still got it (from her brother)
>everyone keeps saying Sansa is smart, yet this quality is never shown in the show.
>doesn't even catch the dagger she drops
>looks like some weird animatronic
>I never see anyone criticize Sansa for anything
What's up with that anyway? Sansa turned into such a shitty, pointless character when they ran out of books.
This is actually hilarious, why haven´t I realized this before. The funny thing is, GW recieved a massive backlash from Storm of Chaos and it was criticized as horrendous writing at best. How on earth did the biggest show in tv history fuck up that bad, I´ll never know.
She's relatively inoffensive compared to the rest of the cast.
Sansa strikes me as the irrelevant version of bran. She's just there and her whole character is defined by tell don't show.
And that was great, the walkers should have been retconed out of existence
>stabs the ozone layer
Imagine being auch a brainlet that you thing the ozone layer and climate change are related
If Bran didn't go beyond the Wall, they wouldn't have necessarily attacked Winterfell. Why did Bran even go there? What was the point? He got superpowers but that caused the Night King to want to kill him and Bran didn't use those powers for anything else than telling Jon about his parents.
reminder that the Night King only lost because he wanted to walk slowly to Bran so it would look cooler. If he just took a more brisk pace and unsheathed his sword quicker Arya wouldn't have made it.
Or if he didn't expose himself in the first place, let one of his ice niggas do it since they weren't doing anything anyway.
Bran went across the wall because at the time Theon was taking over Winterfell and that was the only way they could escape. He didn't want those god powers in the first place, they were just given to him because he fucked up and the Three Eyed Raven was like okay well fuck you I'm going to destroy your brain.
>GW recieved a massive backlash from Storm of Chaos
GW received a massive cry from Chaosfags after they choked on Storm of Chaos
GW received a massive backlash from End of Times for chaos wankery.
Yea going beyond the Wall was surely the safest and most logical option for them.
Castle Black made sense, the entire storyline of Bran after that didn't. What is the three eyed raven and why is nothing explained? Why did Bran have to become that? No character is really that interested about Bran and his powers once he comes back.
I find this especially ridiculous because the guy is straight up emotionless. He does not express how he feels about anything at any time. It is not in character for him to do a smug villain walk. He is always coldly efficient.
What about the fucked up corpse sculptures? Those are pretty unpragmatic.
Bran was the Nightking and he was a setup and a way for Bran to get the throne after Dany kills Cersei after the Nightking dies
I like you why don’t you come to my house and fuck my sister
>Bran was the Nightking
Head canon is not real canon. The show in no point implied this.
Or like how she teleported behind and beat Brienne
Brienne was going easy on her. We never saw what Brienne at full power was like.
Bran's actor thought him getting the throne was a joke script and yet you fuckers will keep insisting this shit was planned.
So fucking what, that's the point
Me like politics. Me no like magic. Me think throne fight politics
Melisandre is kino you brainlet. Paper shield is a top ten chapter
She’s only smart because she got raped at some point which turned her into a cunning genius. Tyrion becomes more Sansa and Sansa becomes more Tyrion.
>Tyrion becomes more Sansa and Sansa becomes more Tyrion.
BRAVO DABID
Because Bran and the Nightking are the same person or at least became the same people
Are you serious? Everyone keeps saying Sansa is smart and yet she never does anything smart.
She never did anything smart in the show, D&D can't write smart characters they just tell us she's smart
I did not see that happening in the screen and I watched it quite intently.
Too bad Sansa isn't a shortstack like Tyrion, would be fucking HOT.
But the fantasy is the shittiest part of it and the books should have been about the war of the Roses instead
human bad kill each other totally not natural *drools* ice zombie means big bomb goes boom boom
that's the point lol, I was quoting the show
It has been a joke script for awhile. It just makes sense for Bran to be the Nightking and for the two most behind the scenes characters (Tyrion, Bran) to be in charge at the end.
>It was about the futility of man on man conflict.
Fucking cringe
>Brienne was going easy on her
Well it looked like Arya was going easy on her. That whole scene was bullshit.
Queer tool
If the Night King was so vulnerable and when he dies would destroy the entire army why didn't he just send in White Walkers to grab Bran and carry him to the North?
>climate change wasn’t discussed in the late 90’s
T. Born in 2004
>why do you think I came all this way?
>you were exactly where you were supposed to be
Then how and why was the Nightking the only person to see and touch bran while warging? Why do they have the same nose? Why was the “death” of the Nightking (on the way to “kill” Bran) the best way for Dany to finally kill Cersei then get killed by Jon to allow Bran to be king?
Almost like if it was planned that way because the Nightking can’t kill bran because they’re the same
nice headcanon
*dabs on you*
>Things that never happened
>Same nose
>Bran got marked by the Nightking when he touched him.
>Saw and felt the first Nightking get created and writhes in pain.
>”killed” by Arya as NK is about to “kill” Bran
>Bran/NK is on the throne at the end
Truly it was a Game of Thrones
It’s not headcanon if it’s true
>things that happened so that Based Bran would be the ruler
He's immune to dragonfire... His being a single point of failure wouldn't be a bad idea if he were remotely as powerful as implied because it should be very fucking hard to kill him
>why do you think I came all this way?
He knew he would become the king
>you were exactly where you were supposed to be
Yes because things transpired in a way that bran became the king like he wanted
>Then how and why was the Nightking the only person to see and touch bran while warging?
Because they needed a plot device to create the Hodor scene
>Why do they have the same nose?
I don´t even know what this means. They even showed the guy playing NK stabbed in the chest and turning into NK. He clearly isn´t the same person as Bran, literally nothing matches (hair, eyes, stature, working legs)
>Why was the “death” of the Nightking (on the way to “kill” Bran) the best way for Dany to finally kill Cersei then get killed by Jon to allow Bran to be king?
What? Now you really went full retard didn´t you? The death of NK had no effect on the Cercei plotline whatsoever. Dany was always crazy and she would´ve burnt KL even if ninja Arya hadn´t killed NK.
>He's immune to dragonfire
Thats also retarded. Why? Whats so special about Valyrian steel
Everyone came together (as was stated in this thread multiple times) to go against the Nightking instead of playing the game of thrones. After the Nightking died the next battle was Dany vs Cersei
>yet we're one of the like 4 living species that willingly kill one another.
Jesus fucking christ, surely this is bait
See
yea I'm totally watching eleven and a half minutes of some retarded theory video. The show wasn't exactly subtle, so shit like this is just people grasping for meaning and overanalyzing something that is very simple.
You do realize that if you take NK totally out of the plot and just killed Jorah in one of the millions of ways a man can die the rest could’ve played exactly the same. The NK plot was literally irrelrvant to the ending.
>yeah I can pay attention for 12 minutes
>watches three full hour shows
Nothing gets by you
Well if we’re going on that then damn near everything was irrelevant to the ending
Yea watching some retard's youtube video is totally the same thing as watching the actual show. There's a million of those videos out there, I'm not gonna spend time watching them.
If there was something to that idea, I would've come to that conclusion by WATCHING THE SHOW. Otherwise it's just overanalyzing something to come to a conclusion that the writers didn't mean, or at best they wrote in a random vague similarity between Bran and the Night King that has no actual impact to the real ending of the story.
That is why everyone hated the last season. Everything was beautifully made but nothing made sence and most plot points were irrelevant.
>Alt Shift X
>not Preston Jacobs
Alt Shift X does videos for the normalfag audience.
>not watching any kind of video
>not using your brain
>projecting this hard
Lmaoing at your life
Not saying that’s not true but you can’t take the NK out of the show and it still works
>Blindly watch a video and accept it as the truth, but also use your brain!
What does it feel like to be such a hypocrite?
watching a Youtube video where some guy tells you about his dumbass theories is not the same thing as using your brain, it's pretty much the opposite. I used my brain as much as it could be bothered when I actually watched the show.
>That scene where Baelish is telling the council that their food will only last 5 years and if it goes mo re we have a problem
>D&D forgot we're not on Earth
D&D kind of forgot we're not on Earth.
Climate change isn't real.
It actually is though.
imagine calling other people retards and then writing this atrocity of a post. only 4 species of animals willingly kill each other? can you elaborate you dumb sperg?
gurm also confirmed that the others represent global warming so your interpretation of that is just wrong
Not him but I think I have this covered.
1) Humans
2) Dolphins
3) Mice
4) Buffalo
>not using your brain or considering things
>it’s not that hard the show has no subtleties
What’s it like being retarded?
>subtleties
How do you misspell subtitles this poorly?
>implying you can’t make theories if you watch the show
>implying your thoughts are the only truth
>implying differing opinions or theories are bad
>implying implicit implications
autism/10
>subtleties
>subtitles
Based retardposter
Yeah, you weren't even close. How did you fuck it up that badly?
That doesn't make any sense with what you were saying.
She is not though. The north arc was always about becoming free again and she literally started with I will be Queen arc. Bran too. Both were set up.
All I hear is Preston Jacobs voice
when I look at the NK now.
>he still doesn’t get it
>resorts to damage control
Hahahahaha 10/10 amazing retardposter
Says the guy who spelled subtitles wrong.
water cooler fan
Okay, I'm back to destroy you with facts and logic.
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>Well they fought smart
Lmao
>horde of light cavalry in front of your infantry
>catapults in front of your infantry
>everybody in front of a trench for no reason
>nobody manning the walls
>GREEN IS BEST
game of thrones is for fags lol
Holy fuck you are so retarded it’s sadlarious lmao
NASA recently posted an article that dude to increased CO2 there is now much more plantlife and forestation and the planet is greener
see science fags climate change doesnt matter because god would never let us die out anyways
Here's my interpretation:
While I wouldn't never call GRRM the "American Tolkien", his is world is what Middle Earth would be if you were to replace the author's catholic worldview with an atheist one.
To Tolkien, the mankind greatest threat is that one to the soul. Sauron is a corrupting force; it cannot create, just twist what good the Valar has created (i.e, turning Elves into Orcs). Middle Earth REALLY isn't that much more magical in the third age that Westeros: The Elves are leaving the land, dwarves are digging deeper in the mountains, plenty of humans didn't even know hobbits existed. Sauron's corruption of the soul is reflected in the makeup of the and.
Absent a corrupting entity, and so not believing in threats to the soul, the greatest threat to mankind becomes that of any other species: extinction from predator or change in environment. The ultimate point of the book (I think) is that while we're warring against eachother (literally and figuratively), extinction is slowly but surely creeping on us. This is the White Walkers (which is a better name than "Other" btw), the climate change which is killing life on earth and that we have to put our differences aside to prepare for.
At least that's how I interpret it, maybe the NK will also die halfway through Book 7. But from reading the threat it looks like I'm rights about the Others being Climate Change
it's literally called a song of fire and ice though, game of thrones was the tv title, not that you reddit brainlets would know or give a fuck
>the NK will also die halfway through Book 7.
There is no Night King in the books.
I meant "NK" as in whoever the boss of the WW is. I'm GUESSING they must also have a leader
LMFAO the sad part is that conservatives actually believe this.
Just because ice and fire are associated with zombies and dragons doesn't mean they have to come from zombies and dragons.
I doubt it. There's been no hints of that so far. That's what makes them so intimidating, there is no head to this beast that you can simply sever and end it. It is everywhere and it cannot be stopped.
The concept of the Night King is kind of pathetic because it means that the whole time the army was basically just a single dude with magic powers. It's just a piece of plot convenience that allows them to end the war by killing that one guy because they only have a couple episodes left and the show needs to end.
I see your point.
It would also make them for fitting as an "anti-human" entity; while humans are too busy warring over who should be leader, the Others don't need a leader since they know to act towards a single goal
I wouldn’t have a problem with the white walkers if they gave conclusion to the arc they fucking set up for 8 seasons. S2 to 3 my favorite scenes were the WW segments, I didn’t even actually want a war with them. The white walkers should either be bargained with or nigh unkillable
All the books that are going to be written already have. He will never finish another.