I tried watching pic related with my gf and she kept questioning the main character's motivation...

this is the video btw
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But men are better cleaners and decorators

Come and See

thank you good user

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HAVE

I doubt you understand it OP, you just love to think you do because you're a 80 IQ moron with no redeeming qualities.

Yikes

Based

It must be awesome to have a gf. Are you a Chad? Women only want Chad.

>I tried watching pic related with my gf
First mistake. Women cannot shut the fuck up

its a boring timesuck and only delusional people can think it is meaningful in anyway

>Men are fucking vacuums of thought. They have no personalities (yes even the kooky ones) their sole purpose in life is to make enough money when they’re young to hook in and fool some girl who will look after them for their lives. They are pathetic creatures and not once has any male artist ever broached this very obvious topic for dissection. They are worthless creatures whose soul purpose in life is that of being a sperm donor. They don’t understand the hero’s journey because they have no desire to better themselves, none. Once a man is broken they stay broken forever and just blame women for it.

NINTENDO

>>>/leftypol/

You do realize you're proving his point right?

if you ever doubt this post, put on a classic movie and time how long it takes your gf to take out her phone

No one born after 1920 is a worthwhile person.

She's right, war movies are boring as fuck.
In fact, I struggle to think which movies aren't boring as hell.
God, what a worthless industry, why is still alive?

true, and yet...
the n00bs...
wille argue against the word of truth...

BABIES

Soviet propaganda.

Shits all rainbows and sunshine at first then she gets used to you and then she shits on your movies.
Wont be long before she aborts your baby to be with Tyrone and be the driver in an attempted murder and do a 10 year bit

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How can it be "propaganda" when Klimov the director literally had to fight for 8 years straight in order to release it because the soviet government didn't want it to be released under any circumstance?
This is mainly because the majority of the "germans" in the film are ukrainian collaborators (like it actually happened), as evident by that entire under the bridge scene. Literally soviets killing soviets.

It's an anti-war film, there is not even one hint of why would anyone join the soviet army/partisans also, nothing but bad things happen as soon as he joins them, even before he encounters any enemy at all.
Atleast watch the film before spewing absolute ignorant bullshit about it

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Where'd this meme that women are anti-war come from?

In the Soviet Union in this period they generally understood the importance of defeating the Axia and, while it no doubt tore them up, usually approved of what their male family members were doing. Some were even in combat roles, while many more were exposing themselves to the same level of danger as soldiers as field nurses, being well known for almost suicidally exposing themselves to enemy fire to retrieve wounded.

Women historically weren't anti-war and in many major instances supported the men as they went off. If theres one crucial difference that I see with some frequency, it's that they're sometimes more in tune with understanding when the war is lost. But then the country keeps fighting until its in an even worse position and the terms of peace will be far worse. You see this a lot in the Battle of Berlin, where the women were actually braver in the face of the new soviet occupation than the men. The women could pick themselves back up and put themselves back together at times that men completely shit down, and towards the very end often told any German carrying a gun to either fuck off or get rid of it if he wanted to shelter with them. Bear in mind this was at the point where the soviets held 90 percent of Berlin. Some women talked about having developed a sort of maternal contempt for the men after realizing they were in fact mentally stronger in the face of the worst possible eventualities

Also bear in mind that a week before it had been common for teenage girls to have pictures of famous Luftwaffe pilots pinned on their walls like boy bands. In Antony Beevors Berlin there's this bit where a girl like that gets raped particularly badly, almost as an ironic mirror to how much she's romanticised war and the men who ruined her country.

I also heard excerpts from a Confederate woman's diary recently where she wanted to keep on fighting when even the men knew this shit needed to end asap.

Well first off no it isn't, but if it was propaganda its also highly accurate to what happened. The worst you can say is that some of the more bizarre stuff was cobbled together from disparate accounts and weren't all committed in so short a time in so small an area, but the Axis in the East really was that bad.

>Not liking Death Proof

She had better taste than you imo

They didn't show what Soviets did to their own people. If it wasn't Soviet propaganda it wouldn't get released, simple as that.

the film literally shows soviets killing soviets you dumb tranny

In WW2 99.999999999999999999 percent of the bad things happening to the soviet people were done by the axis. The soviets did the vast majority of their bad shit before 1940.

Like you can probably compile a compelling slideshow of bad shit the soviets did in WW2, but it would be highly unrepresentative to use that as the basis for your portrayal of day to day circumstances, in contrast to the Axis killing 26.6 million soviets, about 20 million of them civilians or POW's outside of combat.

I also don't know what you want to be portrayed in a movie about partisans. The soviet government isn't really present to do anything wrong in the movie, whatever its character, which is historically accurate because partisans are by definition cut off in enemy territory

What uniform did they wear while killing people in the movie?

Soviets are just as bad, and should be condemned for their war crimes, they used ruthless scorched-earth tactics, employed absolutely inhuman war doctrine of human waves, basically putting the troops through the meat grinder, soldiers that successfully escaped the capture were branded as ''traitors of the nation'' and were sent as death brigades back into the trenches, the actions of military militia and NKVD, the infamous Order No. 227 etc.

99% percent my ass.

>What uniform did they wear while killing people in the movie?
So only the uniform matters? It doesn't matter who is wearing it, aslong as the uniform is german?
How dumb are you?

she'll have it out before you've picked the movie

Symbology is everything. You should know this, considering the board that we are on.

so if the entirety of the soviet army wore the same exact uniforms then it would all be good right

Why the fuck would you watch a depressing anti-war kino with your girlfriend anyway?

You're literally grasping at straws. You have nothing but this? How hard it is to connect the dots? Or are you some kind of commie apologists?

user you're claiming that the Ukrainians killing partisans in the film don't matter since they are wearing nazi uniforms. You have to be either baiting or a legitimate mental midget

>they used ruthless scorched-earth tactics

100 percent justified. Much worse would have happened if they hadn't won the war.

>employed absolutely inhuman war doctrine of human waves...

Wrong. This sometimes happened as a panic response by inexperienced commanders very early in the war, but it was not their doctrine and stopped happening very quickly as they got their shit together. The Soviets never won a single victory by using human waves(they straight up don't work). Their doctrine was called Deep Battle, and they won because they became better at war than the Germans.

>soldiers that escaped the capture were branded as ''traitors of the nation'' and were sent as death brigades back into the trenches

In a war this large there's no accounting for every case, but generally, even with units retreating without orders, only the officers who made that call were punished. The whole unit wasn't. And while we can hone in on examples where the illegal retreat made sense, the Red Army had a chronic habit of retreating too early and too easy in 41 and 42 that meant harsh measures were needed to change that habit in order to win the war.

>the actions of military militia and NKVD

Sometimes wrong but sometimes exaggerated. Blocking detachments, for example, generally just told you to get back to the front line rather than shooting you.

>infamous Order No. 227

Broadly justified, see the comment on an endemic habit of premature retreat. This order was a direct and major contribution to the soviets winning at Stalingrad.

You've a long way to go to make anything the soviets did even add up to the tiniest sliver of what the Axis did in killing about 20 million civilians and POW's. Then you can look up Generplan Ost and see that this was absolutely a war where anything and everything was justified to win, because the soviets losing meant holocaust level genocide for the entire population of the soviet union. If Hitler had won, slavs would no longer exist.

I refuse to watch any film that about nazis. It's guaranteed to just be pandering kike shit.

Kikes absolutely hate the eastern front and everything that isn't about them. This film isn't about them.

It still indirectly appeals to them because it paints nazis as the bad guys.

And it paints the soviets as bad too.
And I'm sure you wouldn't say Oscar Dirlewanger was actually a great chap

Fucking this, my gf sits on her phone all the time during a movie, when I bring it up to her she says she’s able to watch at the same time but then winds up missing all the best scenes

Imagine being this triggered by something.

>100 percent justified
>Much worse would have happened if they hadn't won the war

How so? Was there any studies about it apart from fictional ones or is there any historical event that is similar to this? That's just a straight up fallacy. The fact that you rely on that sort of argument is only pointing to the fact that you're wrong.

>if soviets didn't won the eastern front we all would be either dead or slaves to the kraut
>nazi's killed everyone, there is no any failure on the soviet side, no-no, labor camps was just a misunderstanding, zagrad otryadi didn't shoot anyone in the back, they were just a polite bunch of good lads, seeing that the order would be done, tee-hee
>it was just an exaggeration, you see, we killed all of the trained military commanders and put some farmers and cut throats in their place, but they are heroes now, because nazi's are bad, see

That's just straight up hoaxes, how can you even employ them in an argument.

>the Red Army had a chronic habit of retreating too early and too easy in 41 and 42

Rightly so, people didn't want to defend the terrorist genocidal regime of the red zionist scum.

>because the soviets losing meant holocaust level genocide for the entire population of the soviet union

Like that time when it already happened prior to the WWII?

Seems to me that the focus of it all for you is them being Ukrainians, why is that?

>OP
>having a gf instead of a burning hatred of women.
Pick one

Sorry I didn't realise you were completely fucking unhinged and beyond any actual discussion of reality.

name of the movie?

>Seems to me that the focus of it all for you is them being Ukrainians, why is that?
Because the vast majority of Dirlewangers men were the Ukrainian hilfspolizei when it comes to the Khatyn massacre which this film is about.

And the film portrays it all, with the entire under the bridge scene with the Ukrainians helplessly yelling BUT WE'RE NOT GERMANS!!! WE'RE NOT GERMANS PLS!!! and they still all get shot on the spot

Come and See

>"user I want to pick the movie for once"
>puts on a shitty romcom or some movie she's seen a thousand times
>goes on her phone 30 minutes in and leaves me watching her turd
why are women like this?

That's definitely one way for you to admit your entire incompetence and reliance on memes and gimmicks in an argument.

Women don't actually watch movies, they just like having noises to distract them from intrusive thoughts. Also, the movie can be an excuse to have a man sitting near them on a couch where he can begin to strip and then fuck her.

I am literally the only one who provided specific descriptions of on the ground realities at specific times, with details of how common and prevalent those realities were.

You're repeating these weird, floating, sourceless myths you got from Enemy at the Gates which are not tied down to any time or place nor tied into any coherent narrative of this real world event and which, if true, would have caused the soviets to lose the war.

You're flat earther tier.

>its ok to shoot your countrymen in the back if you tell them to go back to the meat grinder first

That's a yikes from me

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>shoot your countrymen in the back

Not standard procedure for blocking detachments at all. They as a rule just told you to get back to the front. This is literally something every army needs their soldiers to do.

>meat grinder

Brainlet meme. After the initial chaos of Barbarossa and certainly by 1942 the soviets were excellent strategists. It was only a meat grinder in that people died like in any war.

This
t. guy with a gf who just threw a fit because I made fun of the people she follows on instagram

While you are largely correct, you chose the wrong venue to share this thought. Also, women serve an additional purpose to procreation, as a muse to great men. Men experience the sensation of love much more than Women, it is something completely consuming and overwhelming. Men created Society to keep Women safe and created Art because even then they still felt a deep yearning in their soul.

>the only retorts to this claim are zoomer memes(pop-culture memes(woman memes))

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>Each Red Army division was to have an anti-retreat detachment equipped with transport totalling one company for each regiment. Their primary goal was to maintain strict military discipline and to prevent disintegration of the front line by any means, including the use of machine guns to indiscriminately shoot any personnel retreating without authorization.
Literally standard procedure

>Order No. 227 also stipulated the capture or shooting of "cowards" and fleeing panicked troops at the rear the blocking detachments. In the first three months shot 1,000 penal troops and sent 24,993 to penal battalions.

>SMERSH units were used to shoot retreating men serving in penal units should the latter commence a retreat after failing either to advance to secure an objective, or to stop a German attack via counter-attack.[1][8] As a result, with nowhere else to go, the penal battalions usually advanced in a frenzy, running forwards until they were killed by enemy minefields, artillery, or heavy machine-gun fire. If the men survived and occupied their objective, they were rounded up and used again in the next assault.
If being forced to run into a minefield or enemy machine gun fire isn't a figurative meat grinder i don't know what is.

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the nazis were good and didn't massacre anyone retard btw

>including the use of machine guns
does not mean that machine guns were the first resort.
>In the first three months shot 1,000 penal troops
1000 men killed in three months is fucking nothing compared to the total dead in combat.

Show me where I claimed it was first resort.

>Afterwards she called it stupid and said its just overhyped because its old.
leave that stupid cunt, do yourself a favor.

>the main character would've been better off if he had just stayed at home
wow, i asume you are a real person, brain and all that, wow, fucking wow

he is referring to modern women not old school women like most of our moms.

I'm guessing you haven't seen The Ascent, made by the wife of the director of Come and See? Elem Klimov was clearly inspired and influenced by his wife's work when he made Come and See.

You got btfo'd by