>Stannis's goals are frequently impeded by his lack of manpower and resources, owing to his unpopularity with other noble houses.
>Stannis often struggles to escape the shadow of his two more charismatic brothers, particularly Robert.
>a brooding and humorless man with a harsh but fair sense of duty and justice whose dour demeanor is often off-putting
>balding
>His face is described as 'tight like cured leather' with hollow, gaunt cheeks. His eyes are described by Asha Greyjoy as 'deep, sunken pits', with a powerful stare that suggests an 'iron ferocity'
>Stannis' most prominent characteristics are his flinty and austere demeanor, unrelenting stubbornness, and powerful sense of duty and justice
>He rarely forgives a slight
>he is a better tactician than fighter
>Stannis is known for his brusqueness and lack of tact in social situations and finds himself uncomfortable around women, including his own wife.
>He abhors brothels and once tried to have them banned from King's Landing
>He dresses plainly in dark clothing and is rarely seen without his sword and dagger
>. Stannis is plagued with bitterness at the lack of respect and affection he has been shown by his older brother King Robert, and even in childhood was described by the Baratheon family maester as "the most unloved of the three"; a "solemn and joyless" child "mature beyond his years"
>During the years he served on the small council in King's Landing, he left his wife on Dragonstone. He wrote to her, but only occasionally. His visits were even fewer, and he did his duty in the marriage bed only once or twice a year, and took no joy in it.
>Stannis is an atheist
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Yes, this is the only part I am dissuaded by. HOWEVER, he does seem to buy into the Lord of Light/R'hllor stuff. At least superficially.
STANNIS! STANNIS! STANNIS!
While I have you here what does the Volc- in your post mean? My mind can only think "volcel".
Yes, it means volcel.
Had me until the last line not gonna lie
He's not perfect, but he's coming around to R'hllor.
It’s the total opposite in the books, one of his last scenes he says “there will be no burnings, pray harder”
Melisandre’s POV in ADWD she says how her bed has been cold since Stannis marched for Winterfell. It’s implied they were sleeping together more than we knew.
Stannis isn't celibate. He fucks both his wife and Melly.
Stannis was also cucked by a retard
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Interesting regarding the regularly plowing Mel part. But regarding the burnings thing, just because he wants to tone down the more fanatical aspects of the faith doesn't mean he is against it per se.
It's not the total opposite, just slightly different.
He's not "against' any faith, he just doesn't personally believe in it. He can't deny the obvious visions in the fires he gets and the magic Melly can do, but he doesn't seem to have any true faith in her god beyond a means to an end, much less worship.
The biggest evidence for this is the fact Stannis has one kid, a daughter, and never tried for a son.
He tried for a son often, his wife has had multiple stillbirths.
Despite the fact that he enthusiastically hoped for a son, yes.
He's balding because he's high-test
>HOWEVER, he does seem to buy into the Lord of Light/R'hllor stuff. At least superficially.
It's clear he doesn't really buy into it though. Him and his men are starving, the devoted lord of light followers ask him to burn deserters, and all he says is
>pray harder
>He abhors brothels and once tried to have them banned from King's Landing
Holy f*cking based
Reminds me of my friend who often says R'hollar is the only god in ASoIaF they'd worship, because he consistently gives "miracles" to his faithful. But he's a godless liberal. The Seven is the only faith in the whole series with any morality to it, and therefore it is the one for me.
Stannis tried for a son (really just more children in general) repeatedly. His wife kept having miscarriages and stillborn babies. Honestly looking at the whole story, I think Robert telling him to marry Selyse fucking Florent may have been the real insult that pissed off Stannis. Other shit you can explain away.
>Stannis I need you to take Dragonstone instead of Storm's End because I need you as my Master of Ships
>See? I'm appointing you head of our fleet against the Ironborn, this wasn't me slighting you, you're a good commander
>Oh and btw you're getting married to the ugly, frigid bitch daughter of a lesser Reach house
>What's that you say? Doran Martell has a daughter? Mace Tyrell has a daughter? Tywin Lannister has a sister? There are other borderline-great houses like Hightower and Dayne with available women? Well suck my cock, you're marrying the Florent girl. Also I fucked her sister in your wedding bed. Have fun.
As much as Stannis suffered and sacrificed for Robert, he deserved so much better.
Renly would have been a good king
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nah, old gods are the true chad religion
what a seething fag
based and redpilled
>worshiping trees
Fucking hippies
worshipping trees with bleeding faces is pretty cool tbqh
The books mentioned that he was always envious of Robberts ability to socialise, and how he easily befriended recently conquered foes and turned them into his allies.
GOT is over you mongrel. Fuck off to Yea Forums if you want to discuss gurm's shitty low quality Tolkien parody. Saged and reported for being a flamboyant faggot
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Try again with less vitriol and tired meme-speak.
t. Alitafag
Robbert was a horrible peace time ruler and had terrible judgement regarding the people he surrounded himself with.
t. seething tolkienfag
Tolkien is fantasy capeshit.
>5 year old Renly baratheon gets Storm's End while Stannis is banished to Dragonstone
Robert was pissed that Stannis didn’t kill Viscerys and Daenerys
Dragonstone was the traditional seat of the heir to King's Landing. He definitely should have gotten Storm's End once Joffrey was born, but this in and of itself was not an insult.
Literally born to rule.
Usually the hair to the iron throne and uncrowned prince resides on Dragonstone, but yes, still a slight.
It could be seen as a slight Dragonstone has no immediate serfs or any real income.
Lorelet please
>>Stannis is an atheist
No he isn't. He believes in the Red God.
Renly's upset because he's never put his pp in a vv because he gay
Yeah I just included from a list really, I guess these wikis are usually written by Redditors.
Honestly why was Robert such a cunt to his brother
Yes, and Hitler was a devout Christian.
Robert was a dumb cuck
What the fuck was Bobby B's problem?
He's not equivalent to Hitler. He believes but he's unique in the sense that he sees the Red God as something that can serve him personally and speaks R'llor pretty contemptuously, or without reverence. Jaime is closer to a straight up atheist.
Massive, autistic hateboner for Targ fucking shits.
fyi the old gods used to be worshipped by decorating a weirwood with human entrails
Didn't claim he was a devout follower of the Red God, but he clearly has at least a superficial allegiance to R'hllor so clearly not an atheist.
Mel considers Stannis in ADwD while talking to Jon, thinking him naturally skeptical, and will never love her or her god, but will use them, nonetheless.
No he doesn't.
>“Your god can keep his grace,” said Lord Stannis, who did not share his wife's fervent new faith.
He uses Melly's magic and visions as a means to an end because they're blatantly supernatural but at no point does he actually seem to worship or have any faith in the religion.
That's pretty much it, and does not Melisandre's theatrics either or shit like sacrificing non-believers. He's pretty unique in the series considering he wants to use a god to place himself at the head of an institution (monarchy) that exists to ostensibly serve the will of god.
Do you count as a volcel if you want to get laid, but you turn down the chance to have sex with anyone who doesn't meet fairly high standards?
Asking for a friend
It was traditional/usual when the targ shits were ruling, because it had significance to them.
That's him not being a fanatic, not an atheist. He believes in the Red God and his power but regards the entity with no reverence and wants to use R'llor to seat himself on the throne.
What if you want to, but not like desperately want to, and also find the general behavior of most people such as drinking and getting tattoos disgusting?
Yes.
>Stannis had been a younger son living in the shadow of his elder brother, just as Jon Snow, bastard-born, had always been eclipsed by his trueborn sibling, the fallen hero men had called the Young Wolf. Both men were unbelievers by nature, mistrustful, suspicious. The only gods they truly worshiped were honor and duty.
Literally from Melly's chapter. He believes in Melly's power, not necessarily that it's divine in nature.
>ou want to get laid, but you turn down the chance to have sex with anyone who doesn't meet fairly high standards? Asking for a friend
That's literally the definition of a volcel, so yes.
nah he does talk about r'hllor as being real at times and he is neurotically averse to lying. he might not love r'hllor but he doesn't believe he exists.
Again, literally the definition of a volcel. Someone who refrains from the OPPORTUNITY of sex because he finds the partner unworthy in a physical and/or moral sense, with a stronger emphasis on moral sense.
Incel = INVOLUNTARY celibate
Volcel = VOLUNTARY celibatre
>he might not love r'hllor but he doesn't believe he exists.
does believe* i mean obviously
I think you're taking that too literally. She's commenting on their personalities. But if we do take it literally, she's talking out of her ass considering Jon literally does worship and believe in the Old Gods. He's no atheist either. Then there's all those instances of Stannis talking to Davos plainly that pretty much show he believes when he's talking about R'llor, etc. as stuff that is real in his mind. He just aren't a zealous fanatic.
that's literally me ;-;
> she's talking out of her ass considering Jon literally does worship and believe in the Old Gods.
She doesn't know Jon, she does know Stannis.
>Davos plainly that pretty much show he believes when he's talking about R'llor, etc. as stuff that is real in his min
He believes in the visions, not in R'hllor. Again, anybody can blatant see Melly has magic powers, this doesn't make them religious.
Agree. And Stannis being a straight up atheist is much less interesting than a man that does believe in the gods but has no love or reverence for them and treats it almost like a goddamn partnership where he can use a god to his own ends.
But isn't this like saying that neets are volcels because any of them could go on grindr and get their boipussy pounded that same day? If you can't have sex (with who you want) but want to, surely you must be an incel?
Well yeah I've said before really the vast, vast majority of incels are actually just volcel lites. As there are really hideous, desperate girls out there who WOULD take almost all of them. But true volcelism, like I say, is less about wanting hot girls and more about wanting girls of a certain temperament and past. It's again mostly morals/values which the true volcel exludes women due to.
A lot of incels just want hot sluts but aren't physically attractive enough or socially savvy enough to attain them.
It shows she's wrong. It's a POV based book for God's sake. The POV characters get things wrong (but I, again, see it as her talking about the personalities).
>“But you are the weapon the Lord has given me. I have found you here, as you found the cache of dragonglass beneath the Fist, and I mean to make use of you. Even Azor Ahai did not win his war alone.”
Quotes make me think he does believe when he talks about the Lord as a thing that exists, and the visions, Azor Ahai, prophecy, etc. he believes in intrinsically goes hand in hand with the Red God.
I don't follow the trends. Do people (or "people") online deny the existence or even possibility of people becoming voluntary celibate? I lost my last girlfriend to cancer and since then I've just stop caring about having sex. I just don't care to engage and shoot down any direct or indirect opportunities.
>I lost my last girlfriend to cancer and since then I've just stop caring about having sex. I just don't care to engage and shoot down any direct or indirect opportunities
I'm sure she would have done the same for you, lol...
>Do people (or "people") online deny the existence or even possibility of people becoming voluntary celibate?
Yes, probably the prevailing public opinion is that if you're not having/interested in sex it's because you can't.
The Dragonstone thing wasn't suppose to be a slight, its the ancestral home of the crown prince it was saying Stannis is his successor before he had his "own" children
Not the guy but you get people that can definitely have sex if they had the balls to approach a girl or get out there but don't cause of 'tism and always keeping to themselves
That's an area up for debate. One of those things we won't get some definitive answer to shy of an actual Robert POV. It's plausible it was meant to flatter him and it's also very plausible it was an insult given how furious he was with Stannis for being unable to kill those Targaryen fucking shits.
He was obviously going to have his own children though, so in many ways it basically was a slight.
Yeah, is much my problem to be honest. The introverted 'tism is what has killed many chances to have love/sex and so now I often don't even bother unless the girl approaches me and initiates etc., which happened once and led to a 1 year relationship, but it was fairly unhappy.
The marriage was definitely the straw that broke the camel's back. An utter dick move for no reason. Stannis would have been happier if Robert sent him to the fucking Wall.
Rough man. I'm hoping it may come when I get rid of my self loathing. You have to feel attractive and good with yourself for the approaching to be something you have the drive to do.
>Yeah, is much my problem to be honest. The introverted 'tism is what has killed many chances to have love/sex and so now I often don't even bother unless the girl approaches me and initiates etc., which happened once and led to a 1 year relationship, but it was fairly unhappy.
Maybe it's also because our generation has been raised by shitty/absentee fathers that never taught their sons shit about courtship, talking to a girl, etc.
You misunderstood. I'm not celibate due to some honor-bound sense of ethereal love. She died of very fast, aggressive and painful bone cancer all over her body. It was "growing" inside out like some twisted body horror film. She was in neverending agony and while I wouldn't have broken up with her just to spare myself the trauma, it definitely affected me for who knows how long. Spent weeks trying to find a way to "euthanize" her without ending in prison. I don't wish such end to anyone, not even the most jewish tranny pedophile.
That's sad.
I hope you and your disgusting cunt of a mother both get cancer
>you'll never have a milk pale, red haired sorceress gf to drain you have your life force after sex and then go for walks in the park with your Chad wolf pet
Why live?
Are The Seven ever shown to actually have any meaningful impact in the world? Old gods and the lord of light both seem to make magic shit happen.
>wanting to fuck a larping granny
>tfw no femdom gf who can LITERALLY drain your power through sex
>honor-bound sense of ethereal love
Okay, no honor bound 'I will never fuck again' thing but did you love her a little bit though? Must have been especially rough if so to see her in that state
Magic makes her a giga Stacy as long as that choker is on.
It's not even really the problem, initially attracting them is fine, but sustaining that is near impossible. I just am far too introverted and self obsessed. Really joyless, emotionless, robotic kind of dude. Interests are all very traditionally masculine so no roasties share them, and the ones that do you don't really want to be involved with anyway. Have almost no normie interests at all and can't even share normie life stories with them. I'm the kind of guy that if you don't initiate conversation with will just sit in silence for hours, I call myself a springboard conversationalist. Girls are often vapid as fuck so one on one interactions with them are usually incredibly painful.
>checked
Yeah part of the problem for me. Raised by women and feminism telling me stuff that is absolutely the opposite of what women want or what works for them. I honestly spent years trying to be the polite, respectful nice guy before giving up entirely, when I came out of hermitdom redpilled and depressed/apathetic suddenly women started actually approaching me and getting clingy etc.
Does she stop smelling like a rotten old lady with the amulet on? This is the most important part.
-ano? There's no such thing as a volcano? But...there is. I'm so lost.
>Reminding me how cool the wolves were in the books
Who was your favourite wolf, lads? I lived Shaggydog's green eyed and black fur aesthetic but he's an asshole. Maybe Grey Wind cause he actually makes noises unlike Ghost.
Being polite and respectful is fine as long as you're not also a wet doormat. Women will go for some dickhead alpha over some wet doormat cause he's more interesting but it's not necessarily a preference. Not being a prick but also being genuinely confident and strong is the way to go.
I guess I wasn't clear enough? What I mean is that I don't want to engage in any degree of romance again because having to see someone go through such agony for so long basically killed whatever drive I have to engage. It's just not there anymore. Even if I see a cute woman who perfectly fits my preferred physical type, all I think is "pretty" instead of "I want her to desperately beg for my seed" like I used to. It's like the software got bugged and there is no backup.
Books comment on her smelling like nice spices IIRC, so yeah.
Based.
Yeah well I am a wet doormat. I'm an incredibly boring, lifeless guy. I'm not there to fucking perform for women or keep them entertained like a jester. If you want to be with a guy fucking be with him, what is this need for entertainment and stimulation from a romantic partner.
Stuff like this just sickens me. I get very depressed and low energy very quickly when trying to string along a woman, I truly have no idea how men go years or decades with one.
>nice spices
Uh who wants a girl to smell like chili?
Tywin Lannister > Stannis Baratheon
>Thinks spices literally means spicy stuff
>Thinks chili has a strong odor
>Mind not immediately jumping to something like cinnamon or mixed spice
Based moron.
I still don't want people to smell like cinnamon wtf
Pic related is the best boy ever. The real Chad of the saga.
>Doesn't want a gf with a faint cinnamon smell you can breath in when your face is buried in her hair
You're a weird guy.
>Robb is noted to look like Edmure
Ned got cucked by Edmure and has a bastard born out of incest? No wonder he and Bob were best bros.
Stannis would have been an epic Lord Commander too
Anyone ever find Castle Black pretty cozy? The grub seemed pretty good there as well.
Yes
Yep, unironically my favorite faction in the series. And the Beyond the Wall arc was all I cared about in the show after Stannis was butchered. I thought we were getting unbelievable kino combo when Stannis holed up at Castle Black after assisting the Night's Watch against the Wildlings.
Those moments in the show where characters were patrolling the watchtowers atop the Wall at night are some of the comfiest moments in the series for me. That would be like my dream job/life near enough.
/nightwalk/
>threeway makeout sesh in the godswood with petyr and her sister
>sneaks into petyr’s bedroom to give him her virginity
>cucks her husband with her brother
What a ho.
Castle Black does seem like a nice place to chill with the bros.
Probably is if you're one of the important guys. There's a bit where Tyrion dines with the officers and they're all having a laughing whilst eating fresh crab and drinking beer.
I'm seeing this shit more every day user, zoomer faggots playing dumber than even a zoomer faggot could possibly be, they're just here to shit up every thread they can with endless inane posts feigning ignorance.
Yeah my dad never discussed girls with me ever, I was like wtf dad
Yeah, maybe they get off on the thought of cucking their son or whatever or just being better than them with girls, not sure...