What's the point of replacing obedient copies of the universe's former greatest bounty hunter with incompetent humans...

What's the point of replacing obedient copies of the universe's former greatest bounty hunter with incompetent humans who whine about being paid and are more likely to betray the empire?

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The clones age far too rapidly. And the Empire is pretty good at indoctrinating its citizens. Most of the traitors would probably be caught by the Empire's spies at any rate.

Empire replaced quality for quantity

Then why not continue to pump out clones faster?

>copies of the universe's former greatest bounty hunter
This will forever be stupid.
>What if the clones Obi-Wan mentioned were all a bunch of Boba Fetts? People liked Boba Fett, right?

Whoops. You've found a contradiction in the Prequel-OT continuity.

No such incongruity would exist had they just kept the Cloners as the external threat against the Republic, as they were implied to be during the OT and EU.

Instead, the Prequels got everything backwards, simply to secure a PG rating.

The *battledroids* should have made up most of the standing army of the decadent and passive Republic. They would be thematically appropriate for the Republic's military as they are literally sitting on the shelf when the war starts. They represent a loss of fighting skill and spirit via automation. While they work well for policing actions, they crumple in the face of anything resembling a peer adversary.

The droids would have been complimented by a mishmash of System levies and militia. These regiments would be relatively small, diverse, and lack standardized tactics, training and equipment. Their inefficiencies necessitate Palpatine's military reforms.

The cloners are an external threat and both attack directly and infiltrate via assasination and replacement. The cloners don't have to raise much in the way of their own armies to fight the Republic. Cloning and replacing key leaders in a number of militarily potent systems would allow them to wage and manipulate a war from the shadows.

The Republic is unable to cope with the new threat and struggles to keep their footing militarily. They beg the Jedi to intervene, as they can sense cloned replacements, especially those they are familiar with. The Jedi begrudgingly get dragged into political violence and intrigue, except for a few like Count Duku, who splinter off, or conscientious objectors, like Yoda, who go into reclusion.

Palpatine still manipulates his way to chancellor and then Emperor by instituting social and military reforms that standardizes the Republic's militias into what we eventually recognize as the Imperial military.

You think Sheev is made of money? That's a lot of upkeep for supposedly peaceful times right after purging the jedi.

They destroyed Kamino because Palpatine was worried they may create a new clone army to oppose him.

One of the old ideas was that the Stormtroopers were clones.

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Why didn't Sheev keep any Battle Droids around as spares? Would've helped a lot better when Luke and the others snucked aboard the Death Star seeing there was just one Jedi with them.

Clones are expensive as fuck

Plus Kamino is destroyed in the clone wars

Had to get rid of all of them otherwise everyone would've gotten suspicious. No one is supposed to know that Sheev was playing both sides in the clone wars.

See No such thing was implied in the OT because the idea that the stormtroopers were clones or that Boba Fett was a clone wars soldier with storm trooper armor (and variations of this story... also Boba Fett literally wears what was originally “shock trooper” armor before it became Mandalorian armor) related to them existed since before ESB existed. The idea predates not only the prequels but the sequels.. and I don’t mean the sequel trilogy but ESB and ROTJ.

Clones are extremely expensive and they were meant and bred to fight wars. Specifically wars against Droids. Stormtroopers are not frontline troopers, they are pacification guards meant to maintain the illusion of peace.

Palpatine never figured people would rise against him

You typed all that shit to be 100% wrong.

>Stormtroopers are not frontline troopers

?

What's wrong about it?

Expiration date.

Has money for two death stars sooooo....no argument.

anyone confirm the new storm troopers are wider (so finn wouldn't stand out)?

Their job is mostly security

They won the war. What's the point of having highly trained and expensive soldiers if the war is over? There was 20+ years of peace since the Clone Wars ended.

This is way cooler than the shit they actually did.
And it was incredibly annoying to hear kiwi accents in the prequel, fucking tore me out of the experience.
That maori cunt from Play School no less.

Any meatbag is inferior compared to this marvelous design. Alas - completely forgotten.

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It never was and never will be stupid

it's pure POETRY you fucking retard

That sounds FUCKING TERRIBLE

"evil cloners"

clumsy, unpoetic and un-lucasian

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>imagine ruining the most simplistic design for a evil army grunt as bad as Disney

What's the point of replacing obedient copies of the county's former greatest bordello owner with incompetent humans who whine about soil pH and are more likely to be city slickers?

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>Instead, the Prequels got everything backwards, simply to secure a PG rating.
That's nice head canon you got there.

Idk how nobody has mentioned this yet, but Sheev killed the Jedi and created the Empire by programming the clones to betray the jedi. I'm pretty sure he got rid of them so something similar couldnt be done to him. The clones are good, but they have the weakness of being able to be brainwashed easily.

Can't have good guy jedis dismembering tons of bad guy humans.

I like how's there is a clear progression from clone trooper into stormtrooper and than the first order comes around and fucks it all up. First order troopers just look like a specialized variant of stormtrooper or something.

MAKE THE MAN SOME FUCKING CLONES BITCH

Maybe we, the audience, were the clones all along.

Only mixed gene-pools survive in the long run.

>he never saw ROTS

>This will forever be stupid.

Because you're fucking retarded. If you are going to plan Order 66 decades in advance, would you want clones of a random jackass? Or clones of a bounty hunter with known Jedi kills? Use your fucking head.

Well if they didnt axe the EU, you'd have an answer. Unofficially, the empire invaded kamino after they tried to defect from the empire. They were making a modified clone army for themselves to rebel.

Empire is gigantic, clones take a long time to make and I imagine are also expensive. Stormtroopers are just cannon fodder for the most part, they have elite troops and more experience battalions that weren't to be fucked with but the average backwater planet just got some dude with a few weeks of training to walk around and wait to be shot at.

Remember in the old EU how the Stormtrooopers were like the elite soldiers of the empire? God that shit was dumb.

Rethink your wrong opinion.

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>implying there is any true poetry in the prequels, including the convoluted plot where the republic doesn't have an army and doesn't assemble an army, but needs an army, then gets a clone army

The prequels unironically failed to achieve obvious poetic elements to emulate and sometimes reverse things we saw in the OT. It doesn't have to match every single thing "only different", like by technicality it rhymes, but it's empty as fuck. But as we saw in TLJ straying too far away without any rhyme or reason to draw from doesn't work either.

Is that Disney continuity?

No this is EU continuity. If you have ever played classic BF2 you'll understand.

>alternate PT 2nd movie
>the heroes go to a friend while they are in desperate need for help
>he pulls a lando because he's a clone

Easy poetry

It's better than having each and every stormtrooper be a bumbling mother fucking idiot like they are in Disney Wars.

The Empire doesn't even feel like a threat anymore after watching Star Wars Rebels.

were the Darktroopers all robots?

>Remember in the old EU how the Stormtrooopers were like the elite soldiers of the empire?
The EU is correct, they always were elite soldiers and still are. Nowhere near as elite as clone troopers, but elite nonetheless. Even Obi-Wan comments "only imperial stomtroopers are so precise". The heroes in the OT win because they need to, that's all.

How else are they gonna shoehorn stronk whamen in there?

3rd one was a powered exoskeleton.

S E E T H I N G

1. There's a whole galaxy of planets and humans to draw from
2. The logistics and loyalty of having your entire military come from one planet was too much a risk for the Empire

They could spend 10 years getting, what, like 10 million clones from Kamino only, or they could get 10 million normal human recruits across the galaxy in under a year, or less.

Was Sheev in debt?
Perhaps he needs a new tax policy. I wonder what it was.

Cool idea but it's the kind of thing you'd expect from a competent sci fi novel series, not Star Wars.

it was a shit idea and what lucas did with the prequels was far more intelligent

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Don't reply to me fuckface

watch me

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>if you have ever played classic BF2 you'll understand.

So its not canon in both continuities, good.

Battlefront 2 campaign (2005) is canon actually (canon to the basic EU continuity)

the kamino event is even referenced in a post-ROTJ book. It's brought up a few times in conversation with Boba by another Mandalorian. These books also feature some characters from clone wars novels that happen before the kamino uprising.

you kind of have to specify which continuity you mean, because you could say there are literally multiple continuities depending on how pedantic you want to get. Whats considered canon to you or Lucasfilm either then or now doesn't even factor into it.

[PRE-DISNEY]
1. movies only
2. movies + TCW2008 and no EU

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Sounds good to me.

Sounds lame as fuck. Clone troopers are the best thing ever happened to Star Wars.

At least in the EU/Legends canon, the Empire didn't entirely switch from clones to recruits, they also started using clones from sources other than Jango and not produced on Kamino.
Explains how a lot of the OT stormtroopers sound the same/have the same voice actor.

Disney may have changed this though

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>the chad Grievous

They didn't as mentioned by numerous source books. It was a gradual shift. The Inquisitor Clones were the last batch before the Clone project was shut down. Stormtrooper project was started by Clone Commanders and got started right after the Clone Wars ended. They were gradually getting phased out by Human/near-human recruits.

Can have more nigger troopers

Underrated

Think it was the Battlefront II (2005) campaign that mentioned clones from non-Jango sources.

Could be it wasn't really trying to tie in or be consistent with other material though

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Will we get First order scouts?

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>PG-13

My point exactly.

Kamino rebellion

Not him but
3. Having real people as stormtroopers means their are countless citizens that have family and friends that serve in the empire. This means that much more people have a stake in the empire and are more likely to support it.

Also explain me why:

(1) Stormtroopers miss their shots almost all the time. Shouldn't they be like professional soldiers?

(2) Why the fuck do they use those cumbersome armors if they get always killed with one single shot? Are those merely aesthetic?

Lack of money in the OT and in Nu Wars there's no reason because the FO have infinity money

go and neck yourserlf fag

>Remember in the old EU how the Stormtrooopers were like the elite soldiers of the empire?
no?

1. Because the rebels and main cast have impenetrable plot armor
2. I remember from somewhere that the armor disperses the energy from blaster bolts over the entire body to help them survive. Some of them just get knocked out and if you watch the battle of Utapau in ep 3 you see a clone getting treated be a medic

>cumbersome armors

It's not really cumbersome though, it's cheap, lightweight and mass-produced

Sheev didn’t want to keep around soldiers capable of killing Jedi, and by extension Sith

>Ahsokafags will deny this

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>Be scout
>Wear bright ass white armor and a helmet that obscures your peripheral vision

think its cause Sheev didnt want another Sheev playin him like he played the republic.

See the more, clonetrooper cocksucker.

From a "waifu purity" perspective, wouldn't it be considered a good thing if Ahsoka was a virgin?

They are supposed to be policing so they should wear bright colors to make their presence know.

That helmet actually provides better frontal vision than the standards and the sides protect the bigger visor from branches as well as the sun which at speed though forests can cause vision problems due to intermittence.

Then they aren't scouts. And the helmet does in fact obscure your peripheral vision. Try one on. Though all the helmets are bad for actually seeing.

>blindly defending Lucas' garbage tier writing in a desparate attempt to be as contrarian as possible

The absolute state of Yea Forums

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the prequel writing is flawless

"evil cloners" sounds like bad fanfic. What lucas did was impeccable, the way he integrated everything together and retroactively improved the OT with the PT.

>flawless

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>inappropriate assertiveness
>losing temper
>murder
>turn offs
Chadikin turned a trained stateswoman from birth into his waifu because he knows what bitches love

This, also their legs look way too big compared to the OT troopers

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Chunky boys.

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>This

clone troopers had the coolest helmets

"Let's replace our reliable workers with black people!"

Said NO ONE EVER

Separatist droifs are pure you fucking mental hillbilly

Because people would be less likely to rebel against the new government if it was being armed by people you probably know. The empire's army was vast and full of humans from all across the galaxy, you wouldn't join a rebellion if you were fighting against your brothers, sisters, fathers, and sons. Then again, it didn't really stop them, but it took a good long while for a rebellion to take hold. On the other hand, clones are just faceless drones made to die. They're based as hell and are objectively better soldiers, but it'd be about as easy to justify killing as a droid.

You can have two Death Stars, or more clones, not both. Sheev chose the former.

I like this idea. Would have been much more believable than the republic blindly accepting a clone army no one remembers paying for.

Imagine writing all of this out while knowing nothing of the behind-the-scenes, and then never responding to when he proves you wrong.

Post modern Western society would beg to differ.

You fucking separatists need to fucking die already

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George, I love you man, but come down off that pedestal.

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>Rey is Han Solo's daughter. But she is not Leia Organa's daughter--and therefore is not a Skywalker. Leia and Han were estranged when she began training with Luke. When she did not complete that training she returned to Han, but Ben Solo knew of the affair (although not necessarily about Rey), and began acting out, and this was when he was sent to Luke.
>Lando, in possibly the diner location seen at Celebration, tells Finn and Poe something and they're floored--and Jason believes this scene to be related. That this is how Finn and Poe find out, though he speculates Rey must find out separately.
>Mother is supposedly NOT Zorri/Keri Russell.
>He connects this to how he has been told a flashback would reveal something completely unexpected about a previous character. He connects this to the known previous rumors, which is Leia and Luke discussing training and how if she were to continue this would have effects for the galaxy. He also mentions how all known books have emphasized that Han wasn't sure how to be a dad. He also talks about Han's original introduction in TFA was supposed to be him drinking like in Raiders, and while he shies away from saying that this could be how Rian ended up landing on suggesting Rey's mother (and presumed stepfather) were drunks, they do discuss it.
>Jason also says he didn't want to acknowledge it, and the details of how this works in the timeline are still unsure--and, Jason points out, if true it may well just depend on edits. He doesn't even know if Leia is aware, and doesn't think she is. But he sees how if all this is true, why Kylo is Kylo. He sees why Kylo even tells Rey in TFA that while she sees Han as a father figure, she would be disappointed in him.

Where's this from?

Did Han recognize Rey as his daughter in TFA?
If so, why did he only seem to give a shit about his other lost child, Ben?

Why didn't Disney examine the MCU's success and conclude that perhaps their Star Wars movies should be carefully planned out in a similar way, instead of just letting directors do whatever the fuck and contradict each other?

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>waaaah why is anakin a goofy sperg
way to miss the fuckin point rlm

You're an idiot. You realize Boba Fett existed before Jango Fett did, right? Jango Fett is the clone here in terms of narrative construction. It's the kind of world-shrinking the prequels constantly trip with. I bet you also think Anakin building C-3PO is "poetry."

Star Wars leaks on reddit

Source: Your ass

It makes as much sense as making an entire prequel triology about some throwaway backstory line Obiwan said in a new hope.

>We've lost a command post! TAKE IT BACK!!

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Boring, just like nearly all of your beloved EU.

Also, I can't help but grin when to this fucking day a space fairy tale remains literally too deep for some people. The thematic point of clone army, which was made painfully clear, but apparently not clear enough, is evil of the Empire hatching from the dying Republic. Using it is a catastrophic moral compromise for the Republic and the Jedi Order, which ultimately ends both. Therefore it could not have been anything else, but a force of slave soldiers cloned only to serve.

I have a better question.
Why did Leia greet Luke dressed as a stormtrooper with "arent you a little short to be a stormtrooper?" If troopers are hired/drafted into the Empire, thus being diverse in size?

They needed to cast blacks.

Clones stop being loyal when they have their chips removed and will likely join any rebel military that removes said chips.

the empire probably had certain qualifications to be a stormtrooper, manlets aren't very intimidating so the empire made them do other stuff if they applied

Clones that age faster than grapefruit can't become taxpayers. You need taxpayers to fund an empire. And the only way people are going to pay taxes are if people have jobs. So Palpatine hired all the humans into the Empire's military infrastructure, thus guaranteeing him political success for decades.

DT Prototypes involved giving aged clones prosthetics and state-of-the-art gear and the 3rd iteration could also be used as an exoskeleton

affirmative action strikes again.
time is 8:15.

>just make clones that don’t have accelerated aging

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I think George originally had clones in mind as storm troopers. I think its more a recon that theyre not

I mean you can go the Sparti route and age clones rapidly to adulthood then have them level off to age normally afterwards

Why would you ever have your clone army template not be the deadliest killer you could find? LMAO even the Star Wars prequels are over your head, holy shit

Clones were expensive

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This, the Republic almost went into debt just from the cost of the Clones, not even any other war expenses. After the Empire took over, Sheev basically said "the republic owed you money, the empire doesn't lmao"

I really like this idea user
the Clone wars felt so sterile and without cost, just disposable man fighting cannon fodder toasters
the expanded material both pre and post disney goes on and on about how the Clone Wars devastated the galaxy but unlike a regular war there are no casualties, the sons and fathers of the republic and confederacy did not march off to war leaving behind billions of widows and orphans left behind in the wake of a galaxy spanning war

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>the Republic almost went into debt
big fucking whoop, the US is 22 trillion dollars in dept and still waves around the largest military

I think he meant it almost collapsed. Which it did, the clones were extremely expensive. Not to mention all the weaponry, starships, aircraft, and ground assault vehicles they commissioned from various companies which were extremely expensive.

>suddenly civil strife because all the natural born people are afraid you will replace them with cloned people obedient to you and you alone

Yeah you can't run galactic policy.

I know that's what he was getting at but the movies and show don't show much of that, I hate to quote Plinkett but people are happily going to the theater and business is booming with coruscant not being harmed at all until the very end of the war as far as we are shown
In the show I remember only one episode where the people were protesting the jedi and the republic

I think the most logical asumption is the planet that was making clones was comprimised, then you can say it was like the only one. Maybe sormtroopers are cheaper and the necessity for efficient troops died down when the empire asumed direct control. Or maybe not, I think they did a poor job of attempting to explain this.

>Separatist forces have captured the Spiah.