Was "samurai honor" ultimately a myth?

>Im sure you could probaly find some bad stuff about samurais too
I gotchu. At least knights had a code of honor, samurai were outright cunts.

>Tsujigiri (辻斬り or 辻斬, literally "crossroads killing") is a Japanese term for a practice when a samurai, after receiving a new katana or developing a new fighting style or weapon, tests its effectiveness by attacking a human opponent, usually a random defenseless passer-by, in many cases during nighttime.[1] The practitioners themselves are also referred to as tsujigiri.[1]

its not really honor is it, nips do something wrong they have to kill themselves. Euros do something right they gain honor. Not really the same thing.

Yes and no, but the honor aspect is greatly exaggerated mostly by aristocrats of the time. I doubt samurai who broke in their sword using peasants had much regard for "lower" caste people, so in their eyes they were doing nothing wrong and still considered themselves "honorable".

t. peasant

Half and half. The samurai were honorabru but the meiji restoration greatly exaggerated thei honor

Yes. Many ninja were also Samurai.

It's more of an ideal to aspire to than the reality.

Honor does exist. Only perverted and pathetic faggots think that dignity is a meme

Whatever memes the weak into killing themselves works for me, user.

yeah but that pretty much tells you what samurai honor was about.

It began and ended with dying for your Lord, there was no "protector of christendom and shining example for your subjugates" ideals tied to it.

The concept was invented in the 17th century, i.e. when samurai weren't fighting anymore and had nothing to do.

Nah dawg, just fucking look at WWII

Knights didn't have a 'code of honour' whatsoever other than loyalty to the King and they were mostly second sons that no one wanted around.

>honor is supposed to be dying for ungrateful normies who would live in shitty squalor if they weren't herded and put to use by intelligent and learned lords

So honorable warriors are supposed to be dying for trannies and roasties instead of slaughtering the enemies of their benevolent lords?

Did you enjoy the movie?

I imagine they did and they all got cut up by people without honor
t. person who has never studied history in their life

Yes. The modern concept of the Bushido is actually a mixing of Western and Japanese traditions compiled and made up to make Japan fit among the industrialised Great Powers of the 19th century and cement Japanese nationalism.

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Knights absolutely had a code of honor. For other knights, that is. Thing people don't get is killing peasants, when work force was the most important resource at the time, is just stupid and self harmful.

Samurai honor was created by the lords to keep the samurai loyal and keep their aggression under control by letting the lords decide what was appropriate and what wasn't.

It's basically a way of training human guard/hunting dogs. That's what the samurai were, and that's why it was so important for them to believe they were above peasants. In reality the samurai had a shitty deal, they were just brainwashed into thinking that living entirely off the charity of a lord and having to kill yourself if you said the wrong thing was somehow noble.

Honor was quite important when the world worked through a system of oaths and vassalage as even most nobles didn't know how to read at all. Think of it as oral contracts.

>For other knights, that is.
mainly because ransoms were a thing

Yes, absolutely.
Samurai, like other contemporary warrior classes, were dishnorable, jackbooted thugs.

Yeah, it was even invented until like the 1800s

>sticking hot pokers up their asses

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Probably because we're looking at it from a modern standpoint where equal treatment is expected. Take medieval society, for example. Social order was basically divided into three castes: those who rule, those who fight and those who work. Due to God's order of things, as propagated by Church which fell under top level of society, peasants were at the bottom and giving deference to knights was EXPECTED. They were superior and forever above you no matter what.

>It was. The Japanese literally have a name for when a samurai tries out his new sword by cutting down innocent passerbys.

It wasn't legal and it has little to do with honor. Honor doesn't mean you are a nice guy.

Harakiri is my second favourite work of kobayashi just after the human condition trilogy.
Let's discuss kino, frenanons

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Yes

better than being a peasant

>Was "samurai honor" ultimately a myth?

Yes and no. The way it is portrayed in movies is a fantasy. Honor meant to follow an autistic etiquette and order of conduct in times of peace and war. It didn't mean that you were not to gauge someone's eyes out in order to survive a battle for example. But on the other hand samurai routinely committed seppukku to avoid their family inheritance going to the winning feudal lord.
It was later greatly exaggerated in the edo period.

it is also worth noting the samurai had centuries to re-write their own history when they went from warriors to administrators, probably to glorify it.

So what? Stealth kills were not considered dishonorable. You are caught in video game lore.

I bought the Human Condition blu ray months ago, and I have yet to watch it. The movies are so long I need to make a plan of when I should watch them.

Depends how heavily the peasants were taxed. They weren't slaves or anything, and agriculture doesn't take up your whole life.

Worst that'll happen to a peasant is they'll get over taxed or have a famine and starve to death. There were plenty of peasant uprisings.

Feudalism wasnt even a thing. The idea of lords being based on granting lands and titles was not widespread. In reality, the system was based on a complex arragement of oral contracts were they promised specific and individual things, land being only being many of them, in exchange of service. It is no longer used by modern historians.

>especially by a populace generally so shame driven as the japamemes seem to be
You can thank the Americans for that.

They probably would've cut down a sickly old man or woman.

>and agriculture doesn't take up your whole life.

Agriculture was back breaking labor that absolutely took most of your time because you had to do almost everything by hand, except in winter time when there was little to do beyond taking care of livestock and preparing for the next season.

>agriculture doesn't take up your whole life
Bro just get the tractor out lmao

To an extent yes. The thing is that the last samurai the end of shogunate era during Boshin War, especially the Shinsengumi bought their own bullshit and adhered to autistic degree. Historical samurai were much more flexible and practical when it came to honor code. Post shogunate imperial government stayed away from samurai ethos for few decades and then embraced Shinsengumi's version of samurai code to even more autistic fashion. Leading to complete perversion of what historical samurai were when Japanese regularly fought each other during earlier on into shogunate.

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not so much a myth as much as a expectation to bend over backwards for your thug boss and think it somehow makes you better

You've got a whole village to share the digging

And it was still a major labor intensive undertaking

You have absolutely no idea what the fuck you are talking about. Huge majority of samurai weren't nobles. They were trained fighters that were part time soldiers or more closely cops during peace time, most of them had their small land grants that they farmed themselves. They were also paid by their superiors for stuff they did for them. Guarding their stuff, helping in collecting taxes and shit. Idea that samurai would randomly attack peasants for no reason at all is as realistic as your local police department shooting random people at mall when agency decides replace their service pistols.

Read actual history instead getting bullshit from popular culture.

War time looting and shit on land of some other daimyo might be a different thing.

>agriculture doesn't take up your whole life.
Seriously. Prior to modern mechanized agriculture it was pretty taxing job.

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Honor does not mean being a saint, you mentally ill faggot.

Yes
All of important battles in japanese history were won because half of one army decided to change sides

I watched it when I had 3 days off, 1 movie per day.
Good stuff, kinda long and not always alot of stuff happening but top tier kino nonetheless

Absolute fucking kino

>In the medieval era, the term referred to traditional duels between samurai, but in the Sengoku period (1467–1600), widespread anarchy caused it to degrade into indiscriminate murder, permitted by the unchecked power of the samurai. Shortly after order was restored, the Edo government prohibited the practice in 1602.

Not really, only the two you know of.

>So honorable warriors are supposed to be dying for trannies and roasties
Yes

>t. person who has never studied history in their life
It shows.

> your local police department shooting random people at mall when agency decides replace their service pistols.
That's not a far cry from what some departments do in the US. See the Your fugged :DDD guy.

No, it's difficult for current year Westerners to understand it but honor and religion were not always fiction, people used to take these things very seriously in real life and still do in parts of the world

>In reality, the system was based on a complex arragement of oral contracts were they promised specific and individual things
That's literally what feudalism was. No one ever said land was the only commodity exchanged in such contracts.

Yes, because that's all of important ones

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historylet cope

>That's not a far cry from what some departments do in the US.

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>that one guy

Most of the samurai myth was constructed during the Tokugawa shogunate, which was an era of peace.
During the Sengoku period, which was was the actual "age of samurai" where war was everywhere, the idea of honor was nowhere near as strong as the people who lived after thought, because actual conflict leaves little room for it.

Modern historians prefer to use the term "vassalage" instead as feudalism has its roots in the latin word feodum (fief) and came up during the French Revolution as a rhetoric construct to justify the revolution.

>Is baby finally realizing the truth.
what kind of person writes this way
you're weird

he's a phoneposter

The reason why there's chivalry and bushido code to begin with is because so many knights and samurais were assholes and borderline thugs

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Weabo

no need to be racist, rabbi