If Thor didn't kill Hela, the space stone would never fall in Thanos' hands...

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I went to sleep at 10 am and woke up around 4:30 pm and haven't left my room once. The only time I left my bed today was to piss in a 2 liter bottle. It's 8 27 pm and need to go to the market to buy more soda before they close at 9.

It's where the discussion ends, so I'll repeat it if needed.

I see user, but like I said Thor could've killed Thanos if he wasn't a retard during infinity war.
Hela is more powerful than Thor. Thus, Hela > Thanos

You living in mountain time? I swear most of the americans on this site are from AZ.

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Pacific standard. I'm in California.

The circumstances were different. Thor basically insta-teleported with the bifrost and got a surprise attack in while Thanos was otherwise occupied.

Thanos attacking Asgard under Hela's rule would obviously play out different. He'd be starting from his giant-ass spaceship, has all 4 of his minions with him, his army, and could honestly just destroy the place from orbit with the power stone.

Hela wouldn't get a chance to fight him 1 on 1 or get in a sneak shot like Thor. She also doesn't have a weapon specifically crafted to kill him.

>Thor ALMOST killed Thanos with the completed gauntlet while handling the shittier hammer.
Thanos wasn't wearing his armor. As we see in Endgame, that makes a big difference. His armor has mjolnir bouncing off it like it's nothing. It makes a big difference.

This. thors ax broke through the full power of the infinity gauntlet, there is no way Thanos with the gauntlet would have beat her when he doesn't even have all the stones.

not to mention that having the completed gauntlet doesn't mean anything if he can't close his fist. has to close his fist to use the stones. Thor hit him before he could, so it was just killing base Thanos with no armor essentially.

The stones do not give him any kind of passive boost - he has to actively use them.

Okay fair enough, but Hela would have access to the tesseract (the space stone).
And Thanos wouldn't just teleport at Asgard's doors, so she would see him coming. If Heimdall was on her side he would see Thanos coming from afar and she would be expecting Thanos.
But I guess it would indeed take a combined effort of Asgard to defeat Thanos. Hela would need the cooperation of Heimdal for this to work.

So, again, the guilt falls on Thor's shoulders for not recognizing her as the rightful ruler of Asgard. By subverting her, he weakened Asgard and put the whole universe in danger.

Damn. Sounds comfy.

Does anyone have the giant woman shop of this?

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Hela, goddess of death.
I thought they were teasing her as Thanos' potential waifu.

I dont understand how dark hair turned her from a 7 to a 9 for me wtf

I want her to crouch down and make me lick her shoulders

It's the eyeshadow as well.

GIV

Space Stone: "Allows the user to exist in any location; MOVE ANY OBJECT ANYWHERE throughout reality; warp or rearrange space; teleport themselves and others; increase their speed, and alter the distance between objects contrary to the laws of physics. At full potential, the Space Gem grants the user omnipresence."
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinity_Gems

So, it seems that if she had the space stone she would probably use it to obtain the power stone from Thanos, she would probably collect the remaining stone desu and take over the universe. She seems powerful enough to wield them.

anybody have the webm where she breaks mjolnir with her hand?

Those are the Infinity Gems from the comics though - the Infinity Stones in the MCU work differently and are significantly nerfed.

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At 1:00 into the video we see Thanos using the space stone to control the movement of Loki, by freezing him in space. It stands to reason that if the MCU space stone could freeze someone it could pull them also. In this scene he uses the power stone and the space stone to pull the moon:
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If Hela had the power stone and saw Thanos with the Power stone, it seems pretty likely that although he could physically destroy her, she could just move the power stone out of his guantlet or the whole gauntlet off his arm or his arm off the body, where Thanos could not do the reverse with just the power stone.

Yeah maybe. I have to concede it is possible given the examples you posted.

She would probably end up getting cockblocked by the Soul Stone though

Nah mcu space stone isnt that busted; at that level you could teleport people's hearts out of their bodies. It coukd open a portal for her to reach through & try to grab the power stone, but Thanos would likely bitchslap it away.

Thanos' ship is nasty but not unique. Presumably Asgard has powerful space defenses; can't Heimdall use the bridge like a railgun?
Plus, near Asgard Hela could probably fly out & solo warships a-la Cap Marvel, she was OP as fuck after her powerup.

I don't think he had the soul stone at the point when he attacked and Hela had the space stone. If she took the power stone as well I don't think Thanos would have made it to the soul stone. You could say he was waiting for Asgard to be destroyed before he attacked and that he would have waited to collect the other stones out of fear of Hela, sure, but he wasn't afraid of anyone else with the space stone and virtually nobody even knew about Hela, not even Thor so it seems a bit outlandish. I think he would have arrived and met Hela with the space stone and got his ass broken in half.

>Nah mcu space stone isnt that busted; at that level you could teleport people's hearts out of their bodies.
I literally provided evidence that Thanos in the MCU used the space stone to A) freeze a person in space and B) help pull a moon down.

The MCU space stone canonically is not limited to "opening portals", this is not debatable. It can move objects. The end.

Didn't Hela find the tesseract in the armory and just say it was a cute toy.
That implies Hela is beyond the stones in some way.

A shame they killed her, a bad guy on bad guy fight where thanos was established as an even bigger bad would’ve been kino

if Hela had access to the space stone why did she need the bifrost?

Thanos and the Avengers right and Hela and Thor right because of the genre of film they are in and because those are meetings of heroes against villains. The meeting of Hela and Thanos would have to be a different genre of film altogether.

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On its own the space stone is only moderately useful to Hera.

Oh yeah he didn't have the Soul Stone yet - I'm just saying if we play this scenario out where Hela defeats him and has the Space and Power stones, she'd probably try to collect the rest of them because why the fuck not.

Then if she ever even managed to find Vormir, she'd have nothing to sacrifice for the Soul Stone and get stuck there.

The Russo’s should apologize for “fat Thor”, that was insulting. Some people out there truly wrestle with their weight and it is no laughing matter.

Doesn't she look dismissively at the Tesseract while she's in the treasure vault? I think she thought it was beneath her.

Oh should they apologize to people who get panic attacks too because Iron Man had them?

She would have to sacrifice her doggo I guess.

Not coming up with scenarios for the MCU villains unless I can start at Iron Man and Incredible Hulk. Obadiah Stane and Thadeus Ross get are reactor tech and the Abomination. Hulk remains in exile and Tony Stark stays frozen and imprisoned by Stand and Ross.Thor remains on earth. Loki goes to Asgaard. Steve becomes Soul Stone guardian of guardian of another stone altogether, perhaps Power or Reality. Red Skull u frozen by Hydra SHIELD. ULTRON gets a completely different initial imperative but gets mind stone corrupted anyway. Vision may or may not escape as well as the twins. Quicksilver survives. Fury, Hawkeye and Black Widow go into hiding. Vanko either takes down Stane and rescues Stark or recruited. Extremis Aldritch take over AIM and buy out PYM industries. Pym remains in hiding or a Banner Pym team-up. Dark Elves reset reality or get assimilated by earth villains or get assimilated by Loki's Asgaard. Ghost remains an assassin Thadeus finds her. Bucky gets some by Team Hulk-Pym. Good guys rally. Guardians of the Galaxy get smashed by Ronan. Thanos verses Power Stone Ronan goes to who? Doesn't matter because Kree keep Rangers under control and Ronan isn't a outlier terrorist. Power Stone goes to Collector. What am I missing?

She said "that's not bad".
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Oh yeah, that could probably work
Seeing as it doesn't have to be the thing you love most, just something you love

When ever I run through this scenario (often here on Yea Forums) two things are constant, no matter how interesting or villainous I make it fourchan shows little to no interest and two putting Steve Rogers as the guardian of the soul stone seems uncreative and autistic. So since the villains are winning and Jane no longer has a Thor hero to love and deus ex machine her a Aether portal and since the original Aether looked like some energy keeping two blocks apart I like to imagine Steve Rogers getting teleported to the Aether and locked there as some sort of Atlus.

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Me neither, but god, i never found cate blanchett so beautiful, until i saw her with black hair, when she became an instant 10/10

What was Marvel's reason for making Thanos have "lack of resources, must cut universe population in half" motivation? The comic storyline of him wanting to please a female manifestation of death seems more intriguing, not to mention it would explain him smiling at the "courting death" line at the end of Avengers 1, and Hela could be that manifestion

Pre-programming for the mass depopulation agenda.

Most likely they decided that the Lady Death motivation was too esoteric, and the lack of resources motivation is much easier to get across to the general audience member. Think about how easily they set up his motivation in Infinity War even for people who had never seen the previous movies
>This universe is finite, its resources, finite. If life is left unchecked, life will cease to exist.
Boom you're done
If he had to explain that he was attempting to court the female avatar of death itself, you'd lose some people

Essentially it was a somewhat cynical but probably correct writing decision

>Implying my boy Taynos wouldn't destroy her in a fight.

If you're going to have Thanos of Hela win you have to have all the villains win. At that point the over population problem would be cooler because you would have Kree wrecking havoc everywhere searching for Skrulls using a controlled Carol Danvers and AIM making earth all kinds of annoying ; swarms of yellow jacket nano soldier storms teleporting around space, SHIELD shooting people out to who knows where using HYDRA tesseract guns and whose going to stop the dark elves from resetting all of reality?

It's hard to say. She was pretty strong, and Thanos' own strength is portrayed somewhat inconsistently.

>If you're going to have Thanos or Hela win you have to have all the villains win.
No you don't.

holy god

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But profits can't be constantly rising unless you have a constant rise of population. Such an agenda will never get pushed as long as capitalism stays in power.

I was joking. There are people in positions of power who feel the same way as Thanos though, obviously.

> Such an agenda will never get pushed as long as capitalism stays in power.
shit, you got us, тoвapищ

Well it's a surprisingly reasonable argument. It's just something that can never be implemented in reality because we don't have the Gauntlet to instantly erase 50% of people.

The thing is comic books alway do this shit. Depending on the story they want to tell, Even somebody dumb like Hawkeye can suddenly beat Thanos. In the current Batman by King, Catwoman was able to take out 3 Speedsters with ease.

Yeah, if you remove ethics and morality from the equation it becomes a clean and simple solution to overpopulation. I've heard people make the argument that nature self-corrects (like when Deer become too numerous in an area, left to their own devices they over-eat, leading to a lack of food that causes their population to fall back down to a sustainable range) and that because Humans do not auto-correct, it must be done for them.

But like you said, we don't have the Gauntlet or anything that even comes close to mimicking it so this remains a pipe-dream of globalists for now.

Hawkeye is as strong as whatever arrow he's currently firing

If it was an Infinity Bow and the gems were actually arrows, he'd be the guy to call I guess

Yeah you do. The characters win in these movies because of the orientation of their values. You can't have the villain win unless you rearrange the entire MCU thematically.

We're talking about what-ifs to begin with though. Nobody actually expects Ragnarok to be rewritten to where Hela wins and goes on to fight Thanos, we're just shitting around.

Whatever point you're trying to make here is kind of irrelevant.

>and that because Humans do not auto-correct, it must be done for them.
We just need one proper pandemic to sort that out. The places with the densest population will sort themselves out as will places with poor hygiene and medical care.

It would have to be one hell of a virus.

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You have to put plot armor on the villains and then it becomes their universe just as the universe belonged to the heroes who won. Anyway Hela and Thanos meeting up would play out completely differently than when either of those characters met heroes. Thanos was already culling planets and harvesting armies. Hela had intentions on conquering more than 9 realms. I could easily post helping you out on what happens when Hela rights Thanos blah blah. Why don't you tell me what happens in Guardians the Galaxy Vol 1 when heroism isn't rewarded and villainy gets all the maguffins? Oh, or what Marvel Space would look like if Carol Danvers stays under Kree control?

That's the thing with viruses. We never know when something as deadly as that will show up.

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Does Loki rule Jotunheim or does he genocide his own people in self hate? Or does Loki allow the ice giants to destroy Asgaard and rule from Jotunheim?
What kind of character does Rocket Racoon become in a universe where he doesn't team up next to Gamora (was secretly always good) and Quill whose selfish but likes to think of himself in rougish yet heroic terms? I guess in keeping with the reverse of inverted values we are looking at a transformation of the Mauraders instead of a formation of The Guardians in Guadians 1.

If MCU villains always won the way heroes usually do I can see there being some sort of personalized (opposite of character driven) spread out destructive war (opposite of adventures) where frustrated villains slowly accumulate and assimilate powers over petty squabbles and dysfunctional negotiations (opposite of short battles).
But at the end of Infinity War we would have the formation of a pantheon in the Infinity Watch instead of the death of half a universe, and in End Game we would have a scene where all the Abstracts have a discussion about what to do next to keep everything natural and balanced between order and chaos (the complete opposite of one line human hacking time and space and snapping the villains away).

What did Kaecilius intend to accomplish anyway? Dr Strange have him what he wanted, what's the inversion of that?

I guess ideally you would want something that spreads very easily preferably airborne, has an insanely long incubation period so people don't realize until it's too late, and kills both quickly and with a high mortality rate.

If the villains always succeeded in their plans then the entire universe becomes Ego the Living Planet after he finds his very first child (not starlord) has the God powers and converts them to his cause.

This happens literally millions of years before the MCU, thus the MCU never exists. It's all Ego.

Why didn't he just submit to her? She was the rightful heir and a strong leader. In retrospect, was having your entire several-millennia-old planet-city destroyed and hundreds of thousands of people dead worth resisting her?

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Dropping the Death plot for the conservationism plot was a mistake.

Thanos is the Mad Titan for a reason. When you change his motivation for universal scale genocide to an argument based on ecology and resources you naturally invite discussions about the logistics of his plan, the outcomes, how effective it would be at actually reaching his goal, etc. It maintains a foundation of reason for committing such a monstrous act.

Thanos isn't meant to have a single shred of reasonableness to him. He is the fucking Mad Titan for a reason. Killing half the universe in an attempt to woo a lady fundamental force is outright madness, something with zero basis in reasonable thought. There is no discussion to be had there.

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If that were the case how could plot armor function? There needs to be a story that integrates all the villains going forward and backward in keeping to the movies releases. Iron Monger, Ross and The Abomjnation, Red Skull Zola and HYDRA, Loki and Ice Giants, Loki and Chitari, a splash of Thanos, HYDRA and Winter Soldier and Red Skull again, and on and on.

That's a good start to explain how everything good is bad and how villainy gets plot armor rewarded but it doesn't end the story.

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>Does Loki rule Jotunheim or does he genocide his own people in self hate? Or does Loki allow the ice giants to destroy Asgaard and rule from Jotunheim?
He wanted to flat-out kill them all and blow up the Jotunheim, that's why he killed Laufy instead of Odin. He wanted to make Asgard great again because Odin and Thor were incompetent and, incidentally, did absolutely nothing wrong.

>There needs to be a story that integrates all the villains going forward and backward in keeping to the movies releases.
Well in this completely fictional world we're talking about where the MCU is completely different on a fundamental level, my story does come first.

I think I get what you're saying though. Going back and having the movies release in the same years, in the same order, but with the villains always winning.

It's practically impossible, by virtue that Iron Man would just fucking die in Iron Man 1 so Iron Man 2 never happens. Red Skull wins so Captain America is dead and the world is ruled by Hydra. It becomes a mess so quickly that I don't want to get into it, since it's just fanfiction anyway.

Does he even get referred to as the Mad Titan in the MCU? He's definitely quite reasonable in it.

now that the dust has settled was it KINO

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>it doesn't end the story
If Ego's plan succeeds, the entire universe becomes Ego. There is nothing but him. So that's your story. Ego becomes everything and everything is Ego, forever - The End.

why does Odin have a fake gauntlet? was he gonna assemble it all before but stopped because of Hela?

I think Gamorrah calls him that once when explaining how he got banished

Not a single post about how for not only didn't kill hela, but he ran away from her at the end of the movie because she was to powerful for him? Did you guys even watch that movie?

I'm watching a remux right now but only paying attention to Cate Blanchett.

He indirectly killed her by bringing back Surtur, which means Thor>Sutur>Hela>Thor depending on whatever bullshit the plot requires.

Hela is kill, Surtur destroyed her and Asgard.

It was implied that the Surtur who came back at the end was significantly more powerful than the one Thor fought at the beginning. He got some kind of destiny-mandated Ragnarok boost

Cray Z, pronounced Cray Zed or Crashed. Crashed as in fast end. Does Loki rule from Jotunheim or Asgaard, does he destroy Asgaard or the Ice Giants? Who are the more villainous Asgard or the Ice Giants? Well Hela would have us believe Asgaard was founded on blood and conquering and were the Ice Giants encroaching on Asgaard at the beginning of Thor 1? Well since its a movie that ends in tragedy and compromise instead of exemplary personages it stands to reason Loki would rule from Asgaard and the Ice Giants would become an invasive occupying force, bringing down the entire wonderful vibe of Asgaard because that's the exact opposite of what happened.

this is why they should've showed some of Thanos' Quest miniseries that showcases how he retrieved the stones from their holders using nothing but his cunning. He outsmarted a few cosmic beings on top of convincing death to let
him go ham.

Ty had to go with the retconned serial killer Thanos instead because you can't show death because China's skelly ban

Now Taynos I can get into.

Nude Taynos

Welp, I still don't know why it's SOOOOOO important for me to be convinced that I am all alone on a planet of 7.something+billion people but you've managed to render another day of nonsensical psuedo-socializing. I guess we have 930some-odd years of this nonsense until Jesus returns in his big golden space faring New Jerusalem. Goodnight Yea Forums.

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And remember, in a marvel universe where the bad guys win Steve Rogers gets teleported to The Aether and Obadiah Stane initiates Up from using the scepter. Those were your ideas, Anonymous.

get some adult diapers so you can lay in bed all day shitposting

Why didn't Thor just marry Hela and rule as king and queen of Asgard together?

No, that's just a reversal of the heroes' victory - not the villains actually succeeding in their plans.

Red Skull would have killed Steve Rogers in their first confrontation like he planned to, and gone on to enact his plan for Hydra to dominate the globe. With plot armor he succeeds in this. Steve Rogers never touches the Teseract or is even aware of its existence.

Obadiah Stane kills Tony when he removes the mini arc reactor from his chest, because without plot armor Pepper does not arrive to save him. With Tony dead, Obadiah uses ARC technology to monopolize the weapons trade because that was his plan.

in fact, without plot armor steve rogers remains a weak man who is never accepted into the military - at best he dies during the serum treatment

iron man dies in the fucking cave