This is the sixth time we’ve destroyed Zion and we’ve become exceedingly efficient at it

Both the pills are a false choice. The blue pill keeps you enslaved to The System. The red pill condemns you to a life of suffering where your good deeds are tracked and your extinction is inevitable. Worst yet, it is revealed that the red pills are all part of a system run by the machines necessary for blue pill survival. None are truth or freedom from the system. You either willingly accept the system or falsely believe you're rebelling against the system, unaware you're merely playing a different role and shockingly vital role in the same system. In other words, both choices are lie-filled shit choices and red pills are merely another form of blue pill. Whichever you chose, The Matrix has you.

What the Wachowskis are trying to tell us, at times begging us to understand, is that our options are never limited to the choices laid in front of us. We are free to find our own path. The true pill is no pill.

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The most surprising things are Morpheus' lines
>Morpheus: "You take the red pill and you stay in Wonderland, and I show you just how deep the rabbit hole goes."
>Stay in Wonderland
Stay in Wonderland? The fantasy? Funny how taking the red pill does that. Neo is supposed to be pulled out of Wonderland, out of the fantasy, not pulled deeper into it.

Consider that, ALL the films, the Oracle offers Neo a red pill. What does Neo do with them? In the first Matrix, Neo takes the red pill and swallows it. In Matrix Reloaded, Neo takes the red candy, but does not swallow it. In Matrix Revolutions, Neo does not take the red candy at all. In each film, Neo’s decision evolves. He does from swallowing it to rejecting it. This is the Oracle’s purpose, the function for which she was created - guide Neo along the Path of the One, into the Architect’s Room where he is meant to go through the left door & allow Zion to be destroyed. In other words, every last red pill is still enslaved to the system. Even The One, the Matrix equivalent of Jesus, is the system's bitch. Just see check out what Neo tells Morpheus after
>Neo: It was a lie, Morpheus. The Prophesy was a lie. The One was never meant to end anything. It was all another System of Control.
Even The One was another slave to the system. If the most powerful of the red pills is another cog in the machine, what does that say about all red pills? Neo recognized that.

What makes Neo stand out isn't that he's a red pill, there's many. It isn't because he's a One, there's many too. It's because he was the first One to recognize this, and reject BOTH red pill and blue pill. And instead of doing what he's told like an obedient servant, he creates his own path. This path he created, though it cost him his life, it ended up bringing a new future no previous One came close to. Peace between Humanity and Machine. In other words, both pills are lies. The truth is to see past both pills and make your own decision.

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why not just kill them all?

The machines seek purpose. The machines were built for the very purpose of serving humanity and no other. They realized that without humanity, their one purpose is gone.

god I fucking love the Matrix

gonna pop a quick Yikes on this post

They werent because matrix is about living in a vr created by humans, not machines. The machines were there to nurse people. Zion is also part of the matrix, but made in a "different server" so the people who choose to be part of it could experience an adventure.

Mankind werent inprisioned but ratter living in a conditioned reality since everything we experience is just signals, so the same concept could be applyed to a simulated envirovment so advanced that our primitive brains couldnt notice any diference. Matrix is Wall-e + total recall + kung fu.

Cypher had the right idea. The real world sucked ass, humanity permanently ruined it, and everything would be better for everyone if humanity just lived out their life in a fantasy world that the machines were willing to provide, rather than having reality destroy humanity's feeble bodies.

He didn't want to remember his shitty life outside the Matrix. He might have been alive, but he wasn't living. He wanted live again, even if it wasn't really living.

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>why not just kill our entire energy supply?

Somebody please EMP this dumb fuck and dump his defective ass in the wastefields.

>why not just kill them all?
Because the Matrix needs a human's body heat to convert to energy

If you watched the Animatrix, or Morpheus' exposition in the first movie. The machines relied on solar power, but humanity "polluted the sky" to cut off their power supply. So in turn they enslaved humanity, plugged them into the Matrix to lead 'content lives', all the while siphoning their energy.

tldr: Machines need the humans, so it's not practical to kill them all.

I thought they could grow more humans themselves? That's why some are born with the sockets in their head, they were grown by the machines.

>Because the Matrix needs a human's body heat to convert to energy

I seem to have read that an earlier version of the story had the Machines using the humans as cheap memory storage/processing units. The whole power generation thing was really just trying to reclaim some of the energy used in growing and maintaining them.

It would've been a more ironic twist I think; Machines using humans for computational purposes. One could then argue the Matrix is necessary to keep the brains stimulated, active and alert and living the sort of life that's necessary to maintain the neural characteristics you want. It could be simpler to create such a simulation than go to the effort of re-engineering or re-wiring their brains, and throw in a self-contained failsafe with the Agents, the Oracle, the One and the Architect etc as a kind of release valve so you don't have to manually send out prime-grade Machines and cull the humans that are causing issues. OR perhaps as the humans are using some of their neural processing power to render and run the Matrix, that whole unconscious non-acceptance thing could, Inception-style, require the whole One thing to genuinely stabilize it, not from a mechanistic but from a psychological perspective.

You could even have jobs within the Matrix, such as programming, game theory or engineering that are actually problems the Machines are going over, not necessarily looking for refinements but farming for innovations and ideas that wouldn't have otherwise occurred to them. That could be more sinister; this army of humans living in a computer-generated dreamworld are not only providing processing power and memory to the Machines trying to kill the Free, but could be handing them brand-new weapons and tools, giving them access to all of the positive quirks of human ingenuity.

>CASUALITY

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Is this why Morpheus sounds like a god damn cult leader?

>Even The One, the Matrix equivalent of Jesus, is the system's bitch
wasn't this time different though because the machines needed neo to fight smith? so he could make a deal with the machines that the previous ones couldn't do, or was a rogue agent present in all previous matrix iterations?

the events in revolutions are all entirely new to the machines and was never accounted for. The cycle ends and begins at the end of Reloaded. The Architect clearly explains that the One is supposed to meet and gives himself to the machines to save Zion because he has GENERAL love he has for all mankind.

Well what's different about the end of Reloaded? Neo has Trinity -- a SPECIFIC love which is a more personal and stronger bond than a blanket kind of love for no one in specific and everyone in general.

At the end of Revolutions, the Oracle and Architect speak about a "dangerous game". The game being that the Oracle lead us down this path we're currently witnessing in Revolutions. How? She introduced a new element to the "game" the machines have been playing, that being Trinity. The Oracle tells her she's destined to fall in love with the One. Something she never did in the previous iterations of the cycle and it turned it was just enough to change things.

Architect isn't the smartest cookie if he couldn't have devised a roadmap with the concept of specific love as a manipulative element to his chosen hero characters.

>or was a rogue agent present in all previous matrix iterations?
Presumably yes, since Smith and The One are described as two sides of the same coin; both being elements of the matrix equation. Smith becomes stronger and more resistant to the machines at the same level that Neo does.

He's a machine that the Oracle states the Architect program is very limited and can't operate beyond its own programming and understanding. That's why the Oracle was created. She was made to understand the human psyche and that's why she was who figured the specific love might change things.

I understand. It's not terribly retarded and it's somewhat amusing that the architect recognizes it and is instantly disgusted by the lack of logic that specific love brings to the table, but they had like 6 prior cycles to get this shit right, or probably more, and possibly millions of people with hundreds of years to study human emotions in a controlled environment. And they couldn't implement 'love' into the equation? Must've been written by a couple of trannies.

>the world's most wanted terrorist offers you two shiny pills
>swallows one without considering what harm it can do to him
Why Neo?

based and nopilled

how did cypher get in to the matrix to speak to an agent and out without anyone knowing

"You take the red pill and you stay in Wonderland, and I show you just how deep the rabbit hole goes."
>Stay in Wonderland? The fantasy? Funny how taking the red pill does that. Neo is supposed to be pulled out of Wonderland, out of the fantasy, not pulled deeper into it.
This. Chasing rabbits down the rabbit hole is synonymous in occult symbolism to wading in the mud, to indulge in useless information, to chase after a false gnosis. Pic related.

Matrix is a modern gnostic tale.

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Why don't we just hook up elderly jewish widows to the matrix?

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It’s Matrices all the way down

>It would've been a more ironic twist I think; Machines using humans for computational purposes.

this. fucking brainlet audience members though couldn't comprehend it so it had to be you're a battery durrr when that makes no goddamn sense with nuclear and geothermal power.

Traitor garbage, deserves a fate worse than the worst enemy.

because fug u deimurge

I wonder how much more dumb the alleged new installment(s) will be

>the problem is choice

Matrix 4 should just retcon 2 and 3 as stimulations or some shit

PLEASE PLEASE DO A PREQUEL WITH THE MACHINE WAR THAT'S WHAT EVERYONE WANTS YOU FUCKING TRANNIES

The machines didn't want to destroy humanity, they were searching for a way to coexist.

>redpill
>wake up in shithole with nothing but browns and blacks jumping up and down to loud ass music all the time
>no one works or goes outside or does anything fun they just have giant sex orgies with each other while playing loud music

>bluepill
>wake up in 90s new york with a job and people who depend on you even if it's for illicit activities
>people actually do things and experience life
>white people still exist

I'll take the blue pill thanks

Of course Zion is a Matrix inside the Matrix. Why would Neo be handled a spoon in Zion? This is to show that Zion is as big an illusion as the Matrix, only a harsh warfare simulation for defective and retarded humans.

this is all utterly utterly pointless to discuss desu

cypher was actually based

>or was a rogue agent present in all previous matrix iterations?

"Everything's happening just as it did before."
"Well, not *everything* (smug smirk)."

Smith going rogue was a new development.

this is actually not a bad post. interesting perspective user

You know “the one” will be black this time.

What the fuck physically happened at this moment?

If Trinity was looking at Neo here, what would she have seen?

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only ralphie cifaretto could have pulled that character off so well

him being drained of cum from his erect penis

If "Zion world" wasn't a simulation, how Neo was able to see inside it after fucking up his eyes?

wow dude you figured it out
you got the two transvestites

The original premise never made much sense anyways. That is why the sequels sucked

Neo was actually taken into the realilty where the actual machines live. It's his digital body dying/erased/ascending to the pshycial plane.

the first movie is one of the few examples of perfection in media

watch more movies
but also have sex

got him good

I agree if you didn't think too much about it. If you accepted the films internal logic, it is one of the best films ever made

as someone who's had sex matrix is perfect and stands up to any form of critique you can throw at it

Having humans as secondary computation is fine really. They're basically filling out the function of quantum computers which do functions that are difficult for regular computers.

Why did the CG in reloaded and revolutions keep jumping from great to shit?