Now that the dust has settled, why was IW so much better than endgame?

Now that the dust has settled, why was IW so much better than endgame?

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Because IW...
1. actually subverted expectations.

2. had a 3-act structure that focused on the villian, giving him tonnes of development and making him the most interesting character.

3. had better action set pieces. The fight between Thanos and Dr. Strange is absolute kino.

actual stakes

where's my cookie?

Fucking here.

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Happy end

It wasn't.

This. When boss nigger died I was dying of laughter. His last word was motherfuck.

Because Infinity War is a good standalone movie by itself. It has an interesting story and an actually unique ending for superhero movie. Endgame was more of a Marvel all-star anniversary movie, it was just fan service. They basically redid the first movie with time travel so that everyone is happy

An actually satisfying conclusion.
By the time Endgame finishes the story is over and Thanos is dead but they don't really ovecome the one who is responsible for everything and many characters are just left hanging.
While it made narrative sense to drop RDJ and Chris Evans its not terrily well handled.
Banner is just there, much like Bucky. Thor can't catch a break, Barton is stuck in neverending retirement, Black Widow is dead in the most contrived way possible and while it does make sense its not a well set up sacrifice.

Basically its a perfect rendition of comic books having trouble going beyond the status quo. Character development will be erased or reset. Some will be sacrificed for shock value or depowered but rarely with a conclusively ended arc. And so on. While IW is the story of how Thanos achieved his goals and was properly built up, Endgame feels like running to the finish line without really establishing the necessity of passing the torch to the next generation. In a way, 11 years were not enough

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Because EG is just a fucking mess. IW feels like a very nicely made tapestry, with plotlines weaving in and out, but EG feels like Lego.
You got the start, then that gets wrapped up, then you got the time heist bit, then that gets wrapped up, then you got the third act/big fight and it's just like, so, 'YOU ARE NOW IN THE FIRST (1) ACT' instead of IW, where everything moves at such a natural pace.

There's also the fact that IW feels more stylish, better songs used, there's a big bad who we're given a good backstory to.

EG, however, is just, 'ah whatever, you know who Thanos is. Let's give you more Avengers!' Which would be fine, but if things were cut, if plot holes were actually fixed, if Captain Marvel actually did more instead of a tacked in bit at the end and the start (and I dislike CM, I'm just saying that she should've featured to make more narrative sense).

All in all, EG was so disappointing that I actually jaded with the MCU now, and I read the comics every week, I got posters on the wall. The handling of this universe and the death of Stark literally meant nothing to me, whereas in IW, I actually gasped when Tony got stabbed. It just felt like the Russo's didn't even direct it and had so many issues.

Idk if my feelings are commonplace to this extent. I know people preferred IW by a long shot, but I really dislike it. It felt like the biggest wet fart after getting your asshole fingered by a supermodel.

>IW went for the "Empire Strikes Back" ending....and it was kino.
>Thanos was a real character with real purpose underneath all that CGI.
>10+ years of all the Marvel movies stories and characters finally converging here first.

Endgame sucked because it was a jarring, poorly edited movie, pushing identity politics, and turning a well-round villain into a one-side mockery.

And worse of all, for the millionth fucking time, they used the time-travelling plot device which is always a cheap ploy when the writers paint themselves into a corner but also they couldn't stay true to their own time-travel rules and fucked up the whole story.

All of Endgame was just a mish-mash of fan servicing scenes that gave a "Game of Thrones: Season 7/8" ending just to hurry up and end this era of the MCU, so Disney can push Captain Mary-Sue and the King of the secret African Utopia to the fore-front....

Entertaining, but still jumped the shark.

>I read the comics every week, I got posters on the wall
Please reconsider your life choices, we only got 80 years on here, don't waste it on capeshit.

:( too late

> 11 years were not enough

Yep, like literally all modern films that get longer and longer and yet always feel like you have spent less time with the character than you did in previous decades of movies. It's called shitty writing.

IW is for those who seek thrilling action and likes stories were the villain wins.

Endgame is for those who has followed up the movies for years and are fans of comebacks.
Also for those who are into Kamen Rider like big battle.

Those who say Endgame is shit is because they saw the spoilers almost a year before the movie

Never too late until you're dead.

IW main protagonists:

>Iron Man
>Spider-Man
>Doc Strange
>all Guardians specially Quill and Gamora
>Thor

Endgame main protagonists:

>Iron Man
>Cap America
>Black Widow
>Onions Hulk

Gee I wonder why

I still haven't seen Endgame, should I take away from this that I shouldn't watch it?

Nah. They have no idea what they're talking about. Endgame is better than Infinity War.

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Nah, just Yea Forums being contrarian as usual

Capekino

It wasn't, you're just a zoomer

If you enjoyed the rest of the MCU it's worth a watch. IW is a tough act to follow and EG falls a little short, but by general MCU standards it's totally decent. There's a fair bit of fan service and brazenly nonsensical pandering to wade through (even my 11yo pointed out that scene where all the female characters team up was stupid), and a few plot holes, but these films aren't meant to be thought-provoking high art - if you just enjoy the spectacle go right ahead and enjoy it. I did.

>Is IW better than EG? I wouldn't know, they are two halves of one story.

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Without describing anything to do with fan service, explain why Endgame is better than Infinity War.

The first act actually having people deal with their own failure and adjusting to the consequences of the purge, the time heißt was a fun idea, the climax was better, Antman was unbelievably based, the smaller character moments were overall better, Scarlett Johansson looked really hot with red hair and blonde tips.

It pretended to have stakes before Endgame came out and undid everything of note

the stakes in Endgame were dodgey by the time travel, but heavy all the same once Thanos proposed his new plan. I couldn't think Thanos would do anything more than snap 50% of everyone again.
Threw me for a loop at least.

cringe

Do you think you're funnny?

No time travel shit. It had actual antagonists throughout the middle in the black order instead of literally nothing but time travel shit until the last like 30 minutes. Didn't ruin Steve's character with that retarded ending.

>make Hawkeye an interesting morally gray antihero
>he literally reverts back to generic bowdad the second he rejoins the avengers

Because the Endgame took stakes and tension out of the Marvel capeshit forever.

It also perfectly wraps up Tony's and Cap's character arcs. Thor maybe not so much.

Thor is not done with this franchise.

iw had actual pacing, much better character development, a cohesive narrative and better action
there's little about infinity war I'd say could be improved that wouldn't just be a complete change of genre. endgame on the other hand was scattershot and flabby, with many character arcs coming out of nowhere and going nowhere as well

>smaller character moments were overall better
To me, IW is better due to it's fresh setting hopping and pacing out everything super well between so many characters, specifically setting up Thanos' motivation.
The smaller character moments like Quill and Gamora, or Thor and Rocket, Scarlet Witch and Vision, and Iron Man and Spiderman, are all more impactful.

>Scarlett Johansson looked really hot with red hair and blonde tips
My boi

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>Basically its a perfect rendition of comic books having trouble going beyond the status quo.

I mean I liked IW and EG both, but something was just nagging at me though the latter. This is what it was, perfectly stated; you know that they're just gonna do some weird dumb hokey shit to bring back Tony for Iron Man 4, GotG 3 is probably gonna end up with them finding Loki (who is gonna pull yet more "trickster god means never being on anyone's side definitively" shit because no one who writes for Loki has ever read more than a wikipedia article about the original norse deity), or whatever. Because even implying that character development can and should happen to people makes comic book nerds feel bad.