The Cult of Rorschach

>Anti-criminal
>Portrayed as the villains
Social engineering strikes again

>every franchise, book, comic, and idea you've ever enjoyed will be raped

Imagine being this gay
>there was no hero or villain in watchmen, that was the point.
>Rorschach was incredibly based and def red pilled though

>Moore did not believe in the notion of "[cramming] regurgitated morals" down the readers' throats and instead sought to show heroes in an ambivalent light. Moore said, "What we wanted to do was show all of these people, warts and all. Show that even the worst of them had something going for them, and even the best of them had their flaws."

>Going from preventing nuclear war to right wing rednecks
>Shitting on the one character who stuck to his principal
Rorschach was an extremely flawed person who at least believed in some sort of ethic, which ultimately made him sort of the hero in the end. Why pigeon hole him as good or bad?

You cannot like the original source and think Kovacks/Rorschach is a good guy.

Alan Moore meant him to be evil incarnate.

Don Johnson

Rorschach was an unhinged psychopath

He also thought Margaret Thatcher was going to create concentration camps for his daughters if they turned gay.

>awesome incarnate

He killed people! He was a murderer.

>hbo's watchmen
wow i completely forgot this was a thing. excitement level is zero to be honest

It's honestly depressing how many retards pretend that some shallow cartoon for children is deep and profound. Cartoonfags should kill themselves.

He killed criminals

to save briminals

>evil incarnate
No he didn't. He wasn't intended to be a hero to look to, and didn't get that people liked him, but sure as fuck not evil incarnate you dumb libtard.

How did Rorschach make his mask blots move?

It was new clothing technology he took from a dress owned by Kitty Genovese.

Is there any piece of media with a higher percentage of its fanbase that completely misunderstands its message?

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you know whats funny, moore is actually an anarchist to he is farther left than these sjw bozos that make movies and tv shows today. Its obvious though that he is a smarter man because he knows art needs to be indirect and subtle. Not in your face WHITE MAN BAD BLACK MAN GOOD WHITE WOMEN GOOD AND FIERCE WE LOVE DIVERSITY AND CAPITALISM AND THE MILLITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX AND THE GOVERMENT" propaganda they shill out nowadays

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>MEN GO TO JAIL, DOGS GET PUT DOWN

name a more kino moment, Yea Forums

>the original creators
uh...

the bible

Wait what's the fucking context on this shit? Is HBO really making Rorschach the bad guy posthumously?

my normie friends consider dr manhattan the villain

Absolutely plebian

This is the ONLY scene that Snyder got right in the movie and was a very good performance.

From what I understand, Ozymandias is an egalitarian humanist kind of like Superman or Batman. The entire point of the comic is to illustrate just how flawed this kind of bleeding heart liberal ideology can be when taken to the extreme.

>Ozymandias is an egalitarian humanist kind of like Superman or Batman

fuggin kek

case in point

In watchmen the people of the world think ozy is the good guy, but really he is planning a false flag attack with aliens in order to bring the people together and end the cold war

rorshach is just some mentally ill guy who is basically travis bickle but as a super hero

No he did not
He may have found him repulsive but never considered him to be pure evil. He didn't make Rorschach the only one refusing to compromise his principles at a massacre of millions to demonstrate his evilness

I consider silk specter 2 the villain for not sucking manhattans cock so he will stay and save the earth

Wrong

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Everything he did was so he could save as many human lives as possible.

it was stupid as fuck. the whole "noooooo!" from night owl was the most retarded thing

the biggest problem is how impossible to turn rorschach diary into a ln inspirational book like dad kapital or mein kampf or ted kazinski manifesto and on and on and on.

its a diary. he writes about investigate if ozymandias is gay and other mundane stuff, there is no substance to inspire anyone.

only if ozymandias create something to inspire these people or someone add more ideas, like a legend that keep being transformed.

both things are too smart to be done by lindelof and his staff.

Okay, except for that. Do you really not think it was the best performance of the whole movie?

I wonder if the war between the Alt-right and SJWs is going to stop being shoved into movies and tv once Trump leaves office.

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Why was he crying? Can’t say he was a pussy because so mean, he’s Rorschach,and he’s literally yelling at Manhattan to do it. Is he just truly emotionally defeated and destroyed after his realizations when it comes to Ozymandias and the truth of what really happened in Manhattan?

“Dude where’s my car”

>being utilitarian
>being a ginormous faggot
pick 2

cult of rorshach are trump supporters because they believe in laws and borders and shit

Ozymandias was clearly the villain and that's why he's my favorite character

>original creators
are you retarded? yes you are

i find the whole movie really difficult to watch so it's tough to pick a "best" scene. the guy who played rorschach was definitely a highlight though.

Except Rorschach was right. We don’t know that the US and Russia would have nuked each other.

Manhattan could have stopped 99% of the Soviet’s missiles. The US could have stopped all the others given the missile shield.

Finally someone here that gets it. Feel like most of yall read watchmen in a TPB instead of reading it as each issue was released.

that would make him utilitarian and his whole aesthetic was simultaneously flamboyant and fascistic.

The only reason you like him is because he's a fag which reminds you of your own homosexuality.

The New Frontiersman did not print it word for word.

Instead it's going to take place on the streets when we enter into civil war 2.

He's blonde which reminds me that I am white and that you will NEVER be a real woman :)

There is no way in unholy piss-monkey Hell I will watch this.

you explain Watchmen then you projecting pseudo intellectual faggots

Which is?

Why did he feel the need to investigate further?

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>We don’t know that the US and Russia would have nuked each other.

Ozymandias' method left nothing to chance. Sure, they might not have nuked each other, but if they did then the number of human casualties would be far greater than if Ozymandias implemented his plan.

Because if he is gay, he is mentally ill?

Ozymandias may have possibly seemed like less of a villain when the Cold War was still a thing, but it ending peacefully enough without freaky aliens just makes him seem fucking insane

There really is no escape from the constant racism crybaby culture "someone" created in the west. It is total nonsense and seems like that might be by design, because any attempt to argue with it on logical terms is met with being called a racist and nothing else.

He ends the world peace because of his deluded standarts. How he is not a villain?

ozymandias was so much of a hero that moore had to turn into an annoying asshole so it could be less obvious.

he had the balls to get shit done and he save the world from itself. millions died to save billions.

"but manhattan..."

was a son of a bitch who trade his former wife for barely legal pussy and didnt stop the comedian to shoot a vietnese pregnant woman on the face. he would have done anything.

He also rigged everything to make sure the world came to a place where only his method was left. He forced his method for what he thought was the right thing to do, creating countless bodies in the process

So because someone might murder you in an unforeseen future, it is okay to murder them?

He wanted Manhattan to kill him so he wouldn't do this. He had already sent the journal as a precaution, not his fault he had no idea Veidt was anything other than crazy

shut up bitch go cry about it on pol

this, ozy is the only character who accomplishes real change. rorschach is not the villain but he's obviously a psycho, he wants to allow humanity to destroy itself because of his own morals. based and redpilled etc

Fight club

Except he wasn't an annoying asshole, he was just the seemingly all good one. This was before people automatically assumed that the ones that seem all good were bad

I think you’re confusing quiet with peace.

But in all seriousness, just because the Soviets and US are not at war does not mean the Communists atrocities end.

Rorschach knew that the US being allied with evil was wrong.

watch any 80s movie about a nuclear war and see for yourself how great ozzy was.

total destruction of the planet against a few thousands smashed by an alien vagina squid, boo fucking hoo.

You can be an egalitarian humanist as well as a utilitarian. His whole essence is achieving the greatest good for the greatest number of people. I agree that his image is excessive and grandiose, but you have to keep in mind that he literally gave away his vast inheritance to charity and built himself up from nothing. Therefore, he thinks that anyone can achieve his level of success if they try hard enough, which obviously isn't true and is essentially the crux of the entire egalitarian humanist ideology.

His name is fucking Rorschach. Yknow, the ink blot test where your subjective interpretation of it is all that really matters and there’s no definite right or wrong involved.

Lol, fuck off 'murica

It wasn't about commies in that moment. Veidt was simply a mass murderer in Rorschach's mind but Walter Kovacs the human couldn't accept ruining the chance at peace. Its why he is crying

Ozy is a clear commentary on the warped liberal idea of 'humanitarian war" and other fun mentally ill things america has come up with.

What Veidt was wrong. We don’t trade lives. And the Russians were evil and cannot be allied with without US becoming evil.

I'm not defending Ozymandias at all. Alan Moore is just exposing the inherently flawed nature of egalitarian humanism when the ideology is pushed to its logical extreme.

Manhattan was completely beyond human judgement. He's a literal God.

The dude was crazy af. Would probably kill people for parking tickets

He clearly wasn't as bad as the comic wanted him to be. He hated the degenerates but he never went out of his way to murder them. Veidt was clearly wrong for killing thousands of people just to delay a supposed nuclear war.

And he did everything he could to essentially force the war towards that place before his mass murder of New York(not a few thousands millions dipshit). They had people going mad across the world due to psychic shockwaves. Pregnant mothers thinking their fetus was going to eat through them. What do you think the tale of the black freighter was about? A man heroically slaughtering the innocent to succesfully warn them about the black freighter?

Then how come he was the only character to be not okay with mass genocide

>but you have to keep in mind that he literally gave away his vast inheritance to charity
If you understand economics, you'd understand that this is an incredibly evil thing that will only result in suffering for millions.

everybody is evil and good all at once, thats the magic. action and reaction.

yes, it is easy for him to look at the things on a wider perspective when he can just teleport to mars and fuck off.

thia only make ozy more of a badass who took the responsability to save the world... and did it.

the doubts he has, at the end, is moore being dishonest, ozy was sure about what he did and what he did save the world.

>watch a propaganda movie to understand reality
YIKIES

Rain today. Mixed with the blood from botched mugging. Stained shoes. This city is its own sewer. Man parked in front of fire hydrant. Thought he was too important. Firefighters had to break his windows to get hose in. Tried to save kids in burning orphanage. Broke into glovebox. Found registration. Car belongs to user. Got his address. Will break his face later.

But the point is that he gets to say that he started his empire from scratch. And again, his whole thing is "If I can do it, so can you!"

We dont really know what manhattan meant with "it is never over". Perhaps he delayed it for another century.

A few cities lost around the globe beats end of mankind. If both manhattan and world smartest man believed the nuclear war is going to be a thing then i would say he was right in his actions

And what is the message supposed to be smarty pants?

>Rorschach was the villian
Literally no one thought that, ever.

youtu.be/fhb-51cw6rc

was really expecting the movie to do this part justice... when it didn't that was it for me...

this new HBO show looks retarded. Watchmen in name only. They really have no clue what they're doing, do they? They want the credibility of the franchise, but shit all over it, which makes the franchise worthless and the entire project DOA...

If you read the comics, he literally says that nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki was justifiable.

>steals the painkiller of a cancer patient that is in terminal stage
Truly a saint

>beats end of mankind
And what exactly is so important about human kind that it must be preserved? What about our genocidal, treacherous, parasitical race deserves to endure and possibly live long enough to shit the galaxy up?

>Literally no one considers rorscharch as a villain
Alan Moore did

based and true

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and at the end... it works.

and that rorschach diary being publish on a shitty nutcase alex jones kind of newspaper means shit, ozy can buy that newspaper and its done.

i repeat: watch THREADS and THE DAY AFTER and thank ozymandias for tooking the responsability of saving the planet.

it was like cutting a hand bitten by a snake but sacrifices must be done. its was always about that: sacrifices.

ozymandias was right.

Veidt wishes he were Manhattan, and I'm sure is crushed when the good doctor doesn't endorse his idea. Of course he has doubts.

As a child thinking his father believed that as well

>Oppose mass genocide
>Pure evil
This is your brain on the left

I still watch HBO's groundbreaking documentaries and critically acclaimed dramedy Barry. There are still a ton of new and classic films to enjoy as well

i'm outraged

I don't think he ever meant that. He probably just wanted to prove he is just that good.

> Eternal peace is a dream --and not even a beautiful one. War is part of God's world-order. Within it unfold the noblest virtues of men, courage and renunciation, loyalty to duty and readiness for sacrifice--at the hazzard of one's life. Without war the world would sink into a swamp of materialism.
Ozymandias was unequivocally evil.

Utilitarianism is evil, so people practicing it are by default villains. The ends justifying the means is the axis mundi of wretchedness.

Because people imitate. It isn't your ends they will respect, it is your means they will emulate. And rightly so. The only way to bring about a better world is to live by those standards yourself, and not pretend to be an exception.

you know that cutting one's hand off isn't the only solution to getting bitten by a snake, right?

Genocide means killing humans ya goober

You know believing in an out and out hero was exactly what Ozymandias was mocking?
Also we have no idea how long it works, I give it 20 years at best before tensions return

moore didn't say rorschach was a villain, just that rorschach wasn't a hero. but nobody in the story really is

>doesn't even post post the name of the random retard who posted this on Twitter

Rorschach wasn't THE hero of Watchmen. He wasn't a hero in Watchmen. The whole point of fucking Watchmen was there were NO heroes. There were only flawed human beings who thought they should have power over other people. Even the god that John became was a flawed one due to his lack of humanity.

Moore never meant for Rorschach to be a hero. A flawed protagonist who tried to stop a villainous plot, sure. Yet his own morals were so skewed, Moore never saw him as a hero. Rorschach was a critique by a leftist author on the right wing morals of the creator of The Question.

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>all white """"men""""
OOOF thats gonna be a big YIKES from me dawg we need to CANCEL this sis

Palahniuk's commentary at the end of my copy of the book is pretty great. Casuals who only saw the flick could get a lot out of it.
>mfw le based gay man completely dismisses CGI Animator roastie

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Rorschach is specifically pointed out by Moore to be a lunatic with paranoia issues, and an overly comic-fied version of an extreme right person.

Of course, that being said, Lindelof's take of Rorschach followers being flat out racist sexist Trump supporters is fucking retarded. Like much of his work, it's a blunt stupid take on the original character. Even a leftist like Moore had more nuance and tact writing a right wing character that he was critical of.

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Rorschach was right.

Thats nice. Ash also imitates ash, which is what pearl clutching to the extreme gets you

i doubt that he gave a shit really, i think that was moore being dishonest and turning a guy that was adamant about his plane into a pussy to make manhattan - wich it looks like moore avatar inside the story - into a more moral character at the end - but his morals were devoided of humanity since he was a whole different entity and could barely understand time like we do anymore.

manhattan cannot judge anyone. not even rorschach.

>He probably just wanted to prove he is just that good.
Sure, but he wanted to be an inspiration to other people. He wanted other people to look up to him and see what humanity is capable of. He has a strong moral compass outlined by his days as a vigilante crimefighter, and also, arguably, his vegetarianism. He's the epitome of a virtue signaler.

Plenty of great scenes, lifted straight from the pages. This is the last of them iirc. No moment between Veidt and Manhattan kind of sucked.

If anything they should be like 911 truthers taken to an extreme, not the Klan

Rorschach is a very moral person, he is somewhat more like an alt righter or old school conservative before neocons ruined the party with pro war kike crap

Ozymandias is basically neoliberlism, the bad guy who has convinced everyone they are the good guy. The bad guy who invades other countries to "save" people. The bad guy who genocides millions to save billions

>Alan Moore meant him to be evil incarnate.

Rorschach wasn't to be admired at all but he wasn't "evil" either. He was extremely mentally ill. He was dirt poor and constantly abused his whole life. It's no wonder he was a very sick man. Black and white morality gave him a feeling of stability in an extremely precarious and unstable existence. He was tragically insane.
Unlike many insane people, he didn't just start shooting random people, he tried to help. He did help people. He was also violent but not randomly violent. He was fucked up but as a sick and broken man still trying to always do the right thing, have a moral code, and even to especially look out for the weak and defensely. Despite his misogyny what really set him off were Kitty Genovese and the inaccurate story about no one helping her and the little girl murdered by the pedophile. His misogyny was really misdirected because his mother was abusive which is what he was really angry at, but in these helpless women with no one to save them, he saw himself. His only friend was a Jew. The far right propaganda just preyed on his extreme mental illness which was caused by poverty, abuse, and neglect. He was tragic.

the movie sucked bro and way out of Snyders depth.

>an overly comic-fied version of an extreme right person
Yet even that cartoon of a right wing character in a superhero comic book is more deftly written and more intelligently handled than Lindelof's shitty caricature. Yeah. I'm only basing this off of a handful of scenes in a trailer and comments from the writer. But... c'mon. Did you SEE Prometheus?

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but he's not a villain, if anything he's a punisher type antihero

It's not that large of a reach that he would inspire extreme right nutjobs, considering Alan Moore states outright that Rorschach is an extreme right nutjob.

That said, Lindeloff is still a hack, and I can't believe people give him a pass now because of the Leftovers.

>we
I'm so sick of this homoerotic behavior on 4channel. You speak for no one but yourself you sad little man.

it wasnt about saving the planet, it was more about buy us time.

if i told you can die now or in 20 years, wich one you choose?

ozymandias did what have to be done and it wasnt pretty, but thats how it is.

You must be one of those guys in high school who quickly read the book before the release of the movie then said you're a huge fan of the book.

>actually using shitty geoff johns creations like mime and marionette

Heh. And the funny thing is I actually defended Prometheus when it came out even though I was disappointed by it. I still don't trust whatever he writes now.

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>Rorschach is a very moral person
He outrights murders people before he's even gotten actual proof that someone is guilty.

The comic actually leaves it super vague whether that guy killed a little girl, while Snyder changed that scene completely.

If basing off of the movies, then sure, Rorschach is a very moral person though extreme, but that was not the comic version.

I just rewatched ‘Fringe’.
‘Fringe’ literally had a plot point in season 5 were someone named “Donald” is necessary to help save humanity and the world.
The alternate universe in ‘Fringe’ season 5 had Chelsea Clinton as the frontrunner in a presidential campaign.
I highly doubt this hidden stuff is going away.

>That said, Lindeloff is still a hack, and I can't believe people give him a pass now because of the Leftovers.
Season 2 and 3 of the Leftovers are his most egregious offenses

> manhattan cannot judge anyone. not even rorschach.

Ima smoke a joint on that one.

Except he moved up the Doomsday clock by all of his manipulations nearly destroying the world unless he killed New York with a giant rape squid

the alien thing was just to stop the nuclear war right on its tracks. if you read the supplemental material on his chapter, he's planning something that involves every facet of his company to ensure the war stays on pause and eventually segues into peace. he even says right after he turns on the news: "i saved earth from hell. next, i'll help her towards utopia." the alien is not a deterrent, it was just to make russia and usa go like THE FUCK JUST HAPPENED? long enough for him to set his bigger plan in motion.

that's also why changing it to doctor manhattan is fucking bullshit doomed to fail

I beg to differ. Snyder handled it masterfully. I can't imagine a better adaptation escaping Hollywood.

Would the movie ending work? Wouldn't everyone blame the US for Dr. Manhattan suppose attacks?

>being an anti-Black, anti-criminal, anti-illegal immigrant, anti-gay, anti-women, etc., group.
There's literally nothing wrong with that, though.

He finds her panties in an incinerator dude? Are you saying he was just burning another little girl's panties for some benign reason

Possible homosexual. Must investigate further.

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>manhattan cannot judge anyone. not even rorschach
but he did. and he was wrong, rorschach was the true martyr of this story

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The International Assassin episode has so much shit taken directly from The Sopranos. It's appalling.

there is a good quote, forgot who said it: peace is always a dream, war, a reality. its pretty much it.

so read about hiroshima and nagazaki survivors and their stories. a guy holding his guts, falling from his belly, after the explosion and simular shit.

and that was some shitty bomb, the ussr had the tsar bomba, look for it.

yes, but pretend is a badass snake played by kurt russell.

I know his whole moving from nostalgia to futurism utopia, but that just makes him worse in my view. He's profiting on remaking the world in his image, and building a New York exactly how he wants it. He's trying to rule the world dude

Snyder is like an autistic person who took in everything at face value and understand none of the subtext. He made it a straightforward capeshit with people punching each other through walls and completely sucked out everything that made it special in the first place.

The masks are hideous.

The problem with the squid was the sheer number of people involved. A conspiracy of that size could not be concealed. Moore sidesteps this by putting them in a boat and sinking it.

>"i saved earth from hell. next, i'll help her towards utopia."

That sounds like a crazy person talking.

Ozymandius and Rorschach are basically the lunatic fringes of each political wing taken to their logical extreme.

>meant to be evil incarnate
>killed himself to prevent genocide
You're retarded.

Fringe was made in 2012 and Donald was named after the dude from Singing in the Rain or something. Great show though.

whoa you're telling me that someone in Japan died from an explosion in ww2?

warcrime

The opening scene of ‘Watchmen’ is really good as far as alternate history goes.
I’m even wondering if the point was showing “true” history.
Such as Dr. Manhattan, on the moon photographing the Apollo 11 astronauts being a reference to a fake moon landing.

It's capeshit, what do you want. The heroes are all legit badasses. Owl and SS disable an entire gang without so much as a bruise.

he's kinda like a don draper in that regard. with his advertising he sells ideas, and for the post-alien world he wants his company to literally sell the idea of peace and unity through his products. i don't think he particularly wants to rule the world (i.e. install a new world order and become its leader) but he's definitely going to influence things as much as he can. he also has a lot of public and political clout

>Rorschach
Rorschach is no way politically extreme.

on a smaller scale, yes. on a larger, ozymandias was right. but rorschach couldnt do anything, who woild believe him? his a cross between alex jones, crack and cosplay.

Imagine being such a brainlet that you think Watchmen has a hero

How else to keep the world from going back to the brink of the nuclear war? Take control. His logic does not allow for many other options

>Rorschach is no way politically extreme.

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yes. and he did it and it worked and the story ends with the world in peace - wich was taken from reagan speech in 1982 about an alien invasion unifying the world...

i was referring to the story in the image, desu.
but yeah, and even rorschach didn't have the whole facts when he mailed his journal. but the guys at the news frontiersman kinda do, as they had published some crack pieces about the missing people. they can take rorschach's journal and use it to complete the picture. but still they're basically a tabloid, not reputable publication (even if they accidentally did intuit the truth)

His views are barely more "extreme" than those of your average kekistani fag. What the fuck are you talking about, retard?

Yeah, I know. Imagine thinking that Rorschach isn’t the main hero.

fucking called it.
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I often get confused as to the reason why Moore says that he finds Rorschach despicable ,but reading the comic you can sympathize with him. Even agree with him in certain degrees. i can find him to be a sick man and he is no doubt but he isn't a caricature. He feels like a flesh and blood person, with his own admittedly skewed moral code but at least tries in the bleak, hopeless world around him.

>i don't think he particularly wants to rule the world (i.e. install a new world order and become its leader)
you don't? he's named ozymandias

>Alan Moore meant him to be evil incarnate.

How fucking far left does your Overton Box have to be to actually think this?

i never ever get it the idealistic WERE TELLING YOUR PLAN TO THE PRESS EVIL GUY. like the press would care.

at least that was fine on watchmen, but it was already crazy on true detective.

>the war between the Alt-right and SJWs

The "alt right" isn't even a real thing.
It's SJW's vs. normal people/literally everyone that isn't an SJW.

>no Bernard's cult
Fuck this shit.

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alt right is everyone right of sjw

Fuck that shit too, where's my Bubastis cult?

thats brit comics on a nutshell: they come up with LE EVIL FASCIST GUY (AS A PRANK) and end up with judge dredd, marshal law, rorschach...

brits miss the time they had the power to be an empire but when comes the timw to come up with an imperialistic badass even the lefties brits get hardcore.

and them they pretend its criticism, hiw dare you like thia character? LOL

yas kween

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>another story about a fictional "right-wing terrorist" group

Why do leftist writers love this fantasy so much?
It's completely detached from reality, where there is an active and armed terrorist group of literal Communists who are frequently given free reign to do whatever the fuck they want by Democrat mayors.

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snyder just can't into subtlety, can he

>People saying Ozymandias was right
>Commited genocide to stop the cold war
The Cold War ended in real life without a fucking genocide, Ozymandias was just a brainlet.

>I often get confused as to the reason why Moore says that he finds Rorschach despicable

Moore is a dottering old curmudgeon that believes in alien space magic and that Thatcher wanted to but gays in concentration camps.
He's a great (or at least decent) writer but anyone who takes his opinions on anything seriously is stupid. The man is fucking insane.

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It’s more of a precaution if used rightly. You tell the press
>If I die so and so did it
The press will naturally wonder if you died. Then that leads to an investigation. Whatever truth the hero wanted to expose could theoretically still come out this way.
However if it’s supposed to bring down extremely rich and powerful people then it’s not terribly accurate. With Ozymandias something like
>Fringe right wing newspaper prints Rorschach’s journal
>Every calls it more nonsense but somebody from a more serious piece would naturally be a bit more curious. After all how often does the New Frontiersman publish something with details and dates and no editorializing?
>Investigation starts a slow momentum on an interesting story
>Eventually the government might be interested in a growing theory on what happened in New York and who killed the Comedian
But even with all that Ozymandias will never be taken to prison or anything

You’re missing part of the point.
At 0:18,
“Criminal World Goes Gaga over Silk Spectre”
The character of Silk Spectre is standing on steps surrounded by police officers.
At 0:39, Silk Spectre is in a group photo with a group of superheroes called the “Minutemen”.
At 0:50, Silk Spectre is painted on the Enola Gay as it drops the first nuclear bomb used in warfare.

I doubt it’s a coincidence that “Spectre” was used by Alan Moore for the name of the character.
“Spectre” was also the name of one of the criminal organizations from the James Bond Movies/Novels.
“Spectre” as a word also means “ghost” or, “spook”, and “spook” is another word for spy.

He’s extremely creative and brilliant with storytelling. However said creativity easily let’s him live in his own insane imagination

>a vaguely-labeled folder among tons of other folders that the audience isn't meant to pay attention to that is on the screen for less than a second
>not subtle

It's practically a fucking Easter-Egg. And you're complaining it's not subtle ENOUGH?

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because rorschach didn't sacrifice himself to aid veidt's plan. he let himself be killed so he'd be a martyr and give his journal, in which he exposed veidt, more weight. which means he wasn't a sacrificial hero, he was just being spiteful. so he got dr. manhattan to nuke him. and dan & laurie are still on the hook for the prison break i assume. been a while since i've read it though

real life didn't have Doctor Manhattan making sure everything was very one-sided in favour of USA

Moore isn't really a leftist.

the only thing less subtle would be "it's raining men" playing when we first meet ozy in the movie

the context of the comic with nixon LE EVIL NIXON as president, still, changes the whole thing.

there is an internal political logic in the comic that doesnt reflect the real world when its necessary, at least. freedoms that the writer take to move on and shit.

Pretty believable. If you live anywhere between the rocky mountains and Appalachian mountains or south of the mason Dixon line you are probably in a cult and believe in all those things

That just makes America even safer though. If anything, fucking alien genocides is just another variable that could lead back to nuclear war. It COULD make the world pull together, but it could also lead to irrational decisions and further destruction.
Ozymandias was obsessed with fixing the whole world all by himself, which is impossible. He was crazier than Rorschach and definitely a more evil person.

Rorschach wasn't particularly racist

Yes, but it was a failed strawman.

So these are the people trying to remove women out of gaming. Scary stuff.

Ror is a self hating closet homo who has no empathy for others

Duh. He's a shut in asshole with a god complex who can't deal with being gay

>the original creators.
Idiot.

KotOR 2

in his own words:

>Superheroes in the real world are kind of funny. They're also kind of scary because, actually, a person dressing in a mask and going around beating criminals is a vigilante psicopath. That's what Batman is, in essence. And we came up with the character of Rorscharch as a way of exploring what that Batman-type driven, vengance fueled vigilante would be like in the real world. And the short answer is: a nut-case.

I thought that was kinda the point, rorschach’s skewed idealism mad him think that the power of the press could actually topple someone like Veidt, but we on the outside see how unlikely it is to even get the story printed. In the end though, there is that small chance.

Maybe The Cult of Rorschach is just a bunch of guys who completly misunderstood what Rorschach was fighting for.
At least thats what i hope.

But this is HBO so it could be the writers are just complete SJW retards

it's damon lindelof. take a fucking guess

is this a Macintosh?

There's video of this professor getting chased out of his office and confronted about this.

Why isn't this shit more widely known?

>SJWs attempting to interpret themes and morality

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Rorschach was Alan Moore's riff on Steve Ditko's creations. Ditko was Moore's idol despite their political differences, and Moore describes Rorschach as being purposefully written as a "very right-wing character", ultimately writing Rorschach as a passionate and sympathetic if misguided character similar to how Moore views Ditko.

FPBP
obvious shilling campaign is obvious
this Lindelof shit will flop hard

>anti-criminal, anti-illegal immigrant
How are these bad exactly? I'm pretty sure this is a normal and valid position to take.

Chernobyl.

>he was one of the heroes if not THE hero

Alan Moore doesn't even think this though. What's he basing this off of?

So in other words you're saying being anti-criminal is bad? By the way, being an illegal immigrant also makes you a criminal.

Why are anglos incapable of understanding for standing up for what's right?

>Character goes on an arc and the horrible events change his worldview
WHOA!

No such thing as ess-jay-double-yous. That's just what the alt-right calls decent humans.

>No such thing as ess-jay-double-yous.
If only that were true, The world would be a better place.

I mean if you consider the retards on /pol/ and discord to be normal than yea I guess he isn't too extreme these days.

reminder that Lindelof redeemed himself with The Leftovers

Considering how he adores his idol Steve Ditko, who was a batshit insane hard-line conservative and the opposite of Moore's political beliefs, it shows somehow Moore is more mature than most modern left-wingers.

>The extreme left is mass murder and the extreme right is truth and justice.
You're not wrong.

Ozzy did nothing wrong.

>reminder that Lindelof redeemed himself with The Leftovers
Hello paid media critic.

Moore on Rorschach
youtube.com/watch?v=qSdZETnEacA
Moore reciting some autistic fanboy poem he wrote about Ditko
youtube.com/watch?v=hD7EKZ32ODQ

Their problem is nuanced takes on society can't be a character
People read comics for badasses who represent things, not witty critiques

Leftovers isn't even airing anymore, retard.
why would someone shill a dead show?

Holy fuck, you really are an HBO shill

Rorschach is the ideal Old West American vigilante but plopped down in a 1970s New York city. It isn't that shocking why so many people loved him; especially because he clearly was solving the "unsolvable crime problem" with a little brutal practicality, one that would have worked amazingly well if it was applied by more than one person.

Ozymandias is exactly how you say, with giant blindness to the fact his axioms of equality, etc. are all false and he's being dumb by being so politically engaged to his false assumptions. He has that classic case of being able to justify anything since all opposition is dumber or won't engage. It's pretty easy to spot, which is why Rorschach (correctly) thinks he's gone and justified a bunch of dumb immoral things, he just misses the scope.

My favorite part of the whole watchmen story is that, in the real world, a republican mayor and a republican president easily manage to mitigate the major overarching, 'morally unsolvable' problems of NY crime and nuclear annihilation that were the author's central messages. If that happened to me I would be seething forever.

All Rorschach is, is a person who was raised in a bad environment who isn't blind to all the corruption in the world.
He sees things for what they really are, his mom was a whore and he knew it.
He knew what she did was bad, and he knows that the world isn't as it should be.

I'm not even understanding your logic here, pal. what point do you think you're making?

yes and I get paid to post on Yea Forums of all places.
please reply to this post so I can earn another 5 dollars.

Because only critics thought that overwrought trash was worth watching.

Kino Television has both audience and critic approval. The Sopranos, The Wire, Mad Men, LOST etc. Shows that had both audience and critical praise.

Critic Bait is stuff only watched by critics and is bought and sold by them. The Leftovers is a prime example of critic bait.

And of course there's plebshit, which is Walking Dead and the later seasons of Game of Thrones.

>all of Game of Thrones.
FTFY

this is very accurate

Lost sucked.
Leftovers was good.
Watchmen will most likely suck by I wanted to state that Lindelof redeemed himself.
If you were here when LOST aired we constantly reamed Lindelof. Leftovers went under the radar and was an actually fantastic show. It had the weird uncertainty of LOST where you knew the writers didn't know what the fuck they were doing, but with the Leftovers they were able to finish the show with a kino finale.

>Why isn't this shit more widely known?

It's almost like Mass Media, Social Media, etc. and all the most popular venues of information are controlled by leftists or something.

Respond to the wrong post, shill retard? Maybe you should actually learn the script so you don't make such obvious fuck ups?

Childhood is when you idolize Rorschach, adulthood is when you realize the Comedian makes more sense.

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>I'm pretty sure this is a normal and valid position to take.

Not in the Clown World leftoids live in.

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(((leftists)))

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>Alan Moore doesn't even think this though.

That counts for jack shit considering Alan Moore is insane.

Comedian mode is when you realize that "degeneracy" isn't a deviation from American ideals, but rather a fulfillment of these ideals.

>any one of the Watchmen
>hero

None of them were heroes, that was basically the entire point of the story. Rorsarch was a violent vigilante who often took things way too far in the name of poetic justice. Manhattan was a demigod who had the power to save humanity but had no interest in human squabbles. The Comedian was a gung-ho warmonger that just loved power. Laurie and Nite Owl were idealistic dogooders who nonetheless enabled the bad aspects of their colleagues because they wanted to play dressup and kill "bad guys", they were no better than hired guns. Just because Rorsarch waxes poetic about his murders and acknowledges the ugliness of the world doesn't mean he's a fucking hero, he was part of the problem like everyone else and he knew it.

>decent humans

Fucking lel.

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based

This.

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I always thought the American dream exchange was kinda odd

Nite Owl says America is decaying. He thinks people are deviating from American ideals.

Comedian understands that the degeneracy he sees in the streets isn't a deviation from American ideals, but rather a fulfillment of these ideals.

that tweet is missing the point of watchmen by a mile
they were human beings
they all err
there were no heroes or villains, just people doing the right thing from their perspective

so let me get this strait. libs want lies before truth because of feels and who cares who dies in the process. you guys are the nazis and you dont even realize it.

His Kino Materials

I hope you get sacrificed for the greater good, faggot.

this its like the middle class defending the rich fucks raping them all day because they have that one glimmer of chance they can one day achieve the millions they have.

>this its like the middle class defending the rich fucks raping them all day because they have that one glimmer of chance they can one day achieve the millions they have.

This only happens in your head though.
"Temporarily embarrassed millionaires" is a nonsensical canard made up by Socialist Redditors.

The reality is that some people actually have integrity and won't vote to have someone treated unfairly just because it would benefit themselves.

You sound like you're angry that people have more money than you and cry "rape" over it.

leftists are psychopaths

Absolutely amazing sequence.

Killing pedophiles and criminals sure is extreme, you queer.

Except the peoples who did the watchmen show on hbo apparently.

Yes, because he thinks he's powerless to do anything about it. The world will go on being shitty and all because of a massive lie. He knows he's going to die right there in the snow because it didn't even matter if Osterman could see the future or not - his fate was no less written in stone for it, because the core of his being is not compromising his principles under any circumstances. It's all that lets him maintain his tenuous grasp on sanity. It's all that gives him any sense of meaning and purpose.

I still the show will be at least decent, some fanservice here and there, please let it be at least ok. Please

Good thing you embraced your homosexuality.

its going to be butchered so badly imagine everyone is going to be pissed they don't even show the byrnison fight s1

Rorschach himself is an admirer of Comedian so this is a weird comparison.

SJW isn't even a real thing.
It's your left-wing boogie man like alt right it their right wing boogie man. They're both straw men that you can circlejerk about how bad it is with all the other members of your little tribe.

Nigger I dressed up as him for Halloween and I know he's not meant to be the hero. He's not THE villain but he's a villain, yes. He's fun to watch but he's a fucking broken man ever since that little girl.

>middle-road fallacy

I mean you should have figured that out by the ally fight where Nite Owl breaks that dude's arm in half so we can have more pointless hyper violent fight scenes.

The man can make a fine trailer but he's a shit for actual films.

>kills the guy instead of leaving him to burn in the house
>my theater erupts into cheers
What a fucking disappointment opening night was. Its not like it was even a budget thing, it was just a terrible fucking change.

>If two sides oppose each other they are both equally at fault

No, faggot.

>I mean you should have figured that out by the ally fight where Nite Owl breaks that dude's arm in half so we can have more pointless hyper violent fight scenes.
>pointless hyper violent fight scenes

You completely missed the point.
That scene and several others were part of the reinforcement of the dark and unpleasant reality of "crime-fighting" and what it actually curtails.

>i'm a fucking retard and I think you're wrong
okay sure

>You completely missed the point.
Were you attempting to quote Snyder and you clicked my post instead? Because that's fucking hilarious dude. Yeah that's definitely what it meant to do, that's why we got that super extended fight in the jail with slow mo and the characters being badass. To show how unpleasant it was fighting crime.

Get fucking real, the movie was a mess. "lol lets cut the squid but lets have Bubastis show up at the end for no reason"

>Everything other than the extremes is the middle

Hurr durr

If you think Rorschach was the hero of the story you're retarded, sorry bro. Thems the breaks and if you disagree you can take it up with Alan.

Imagine thinking Alan Moore of all people is going to be anti-left, holy shit you retards embarrass me with your shitty partisan takes.

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Doc Manhattan could have saved the whole world if he weren't so indifferent. At the end of the story he's figuring out the full extent of his powers and he could have done pretty much anything. He's the opposite of superman, especially if you read the Red Son Elseworld tale.

Yeah, it's not like the racist, violent Right wing types would wholly embrace a conspiracy and pervert it to suit their agenda or anything, or that it's ever thrived on anonymity. That's just crazy.

That doesn't have anything to do with Watchmen. You might as well use any other IP.

I don't like you.

God forbid they tell a different story.

They just look like lucha libre enthusiasts.

He also believes it as an adult.

Regardless. Rorschach isn't a villain but he is most certainly not THE hero of Watchman and is very arguably not a hero at all.

The only "heroes" in the Watchmen stories are essentially the righteous golden-age heroes like the original Night Owl. It's not really a story about heroes and villains.

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>he thinks rorschach is a hero in a comic saga designed to intentionally have very radically different ideas of heroism being presented with none being necessarily correct except for the one that validates the viewers own personal worldview
so this guys basically revealing he's a neo reactionary vigilante who thinks attacking people violently is an appropriate way to exercise justice

>Considering how he adores his idol Steve Ditko
Moore literally called Ditko and his views insane in interviews. He created Rorschach as a Mockery to Ditko's work.

>Moore isn't really a leftist.

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He's rarely talked about left wing politics/workers rights etc
this might just be some dumb shirt

>anti-Black, anti-criminal,
Why'd you say it twice?

They look more like anarchists to me. (Not anti-whatever as OP said)

All the characters are a view point from the definition of a superhero, Nite Owl was a boy scout who is too idealistic/optimistic for his own good, he wanted the peaceful solution. The Comedian was a chaotic, hateful "hero" who is out for himself, seemingly hedonistic and narcissistic in nature when he didn't see the point in trying to do good. Manhattan is a being that can consider himself above humanity, and loses his sense and identity as a human being, like what Superman could have been, as a robotic conscientious objector. Rorschach was a man of morals and principles, he learned it taking on the sickness in the world, figuring thing have to be more black and white even when things seem gray, his innocent nature had to be destroyed so he could let himself feel no sympathy for what he deemed immoral and against fundamental objectively evil and lies.

In the end, no one hero is right or wrong, they just are.
But if I had to agree with anyone, it would be Rorschach; "never compromise, not even in the face of Armageddon.

>muh uncompromising but hypocritical black-or-white notion of good and evil unless I do morally objectionable things for a supposed good

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Barry.

Maybe Westworld when that comes back, but it's honestly not looking great

he was a crying ginger faggot and died like a bitch

heil veidt

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>"never compromise, not even in the face of Armageddon."
>Constantly talks about black and white morality
>Still believes that nuking innocents at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was the right thing to do because it saved more lives in the long run
>Hates Ozymandias for attempting the same thing.

You're agreeing with a legitimately crazy person who doesn't even strictly follow his own beliefs despite them being the very core of his motivations and life goals.

>Rorschach followers being flat out racist sexist Trump supporters is fucking retarded.

That's one of the few things about this whole series that rings true to me.You don't even have to stray far from this board to see examples of it. In this exact thread, even.

The whole thing is pretty shit, but Rorsh followers being right-wing nutjobs, while very much on the nose, rings true

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>makes one comment about someone possibly being homosexual
>turn him into the sjw antichrist

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I fucking love this. Kek

Maybe, and that IS the biggest problem with that version of the plan.

This could really only work if two things happen.
First, They'd need to find a way to separate Doc Manhattan from the US in a convincing way. The TV interview was a good start, but obviously not perfect.

Secondly, and we could argue about how affective this was in the movie, I honestly thought it was fine but mileage may vary; the attacks on every city would need to be big and brutal enough to wipe Doc Manhattan's supposed allegiance from the collective consciousness, even for a moment.

This is gonna be a good social justice shitshow. I can't wait for the articles about how if you don't like it you're a Nazi and that's a good thing and here's why.

>Oztymandias thinks that a continous spiral of fighting and having a threat is the only solution
>meanwhile in real world, USSR collapses and nuclear disarmamanet happens

That is the biggest joke of all in all of this - regardless of their motivation, we already know that everything that happens in Watchmen, we already live in a better world than theirs because we overcame all the issues without nuking ourselves and without having an external threat force us to do so either.

Ozymandias was the most deluded person of them all, if he could not fathom a world like ours.

>*slaughters dozens if not hundreds of the greatest minds to make some retarded squid prop mini nuke*
>I-if you kill me they'll figure it all out!!!
>owlman shrugs and bangs slutgirl by the pool
The end of this is so dumb

yawn

i thought you righties loved guns and standing your ground?

virgin

>the racist, violent Right wing types

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>"Communism now! Right after you buy my latest comic, for only $14.95!!!"

I hate these kinds of people.

Sounds like you're baselessly projecting, bro.

That's what people who defend Ozy's scheme fail to take into account - the cynicism of it. It's not an appeal to the higher aspirations of mankind, but to the basest traits we have: fear, hatred, and xenophobia.

It only trades one "them" for another. It doesn't challenge us to better ourselves, expand our horizons, just continue to prepare in fear and hatred for an enemy that will never come.

Cho wasn't registered as a democrat. Jared Lee Loughner was an independent. James Holmes wasn't registered. Adam Lanza wasn't registered. Why the fuck are boomers so gullible and why do they keep sharing these shit memefographics?

>Jared Lee Loughner was an independent.

""""Independent"""" seems to invariably just mean "Democrats that don't like Hillary".

Why does someone like you even visit Yea Forums? How does that even happen? Why would a person like you even be here?

Why do sjws come to visit Yea Forums?

It actually means "Republican that's too embarrassed to admit it"

Been here since 2006. Not gonna lie, it's an addiction, and it sucks.

Back then, Yea Forums was pretty "SJW" by today's standards. Not full tumblr, but when Obama got elected, there was a lot of celebration. Ron Paul, as a libertarian, was the meme candidate for a long time. The overton window has moved MILES to the right since 2016, but it's been slowly creeping over since the site started.