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/RBMK/ General
Logan Gonzalez
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Jacob Sullivan
"As the three trucks from Fire Station Number Two drew up beside Unit Four, a fire prevention officer from the plant came running out to meet them. He had witnessed the explosion and called in the alarm. Anatoly Zakharov jumped down from his cab and looked around. The ground was littered with blocks of graphite, many of them still glowing red with intense heat. Zakharov had watched the reactor being constructed from the inside out and knew exactly what they were.
“Tolik, what is it?” one of the men asked.
“Lads, it’s the guts of the reactor,” he said. “If we survive until the morning, we’ll live forever.”
YOU DIDN'T SEE GRAPHITE BECAUSE IT'S NOT THERE
Carson Baker
It should be /RBMK/ - Chernobyl General. Take note, comrade.
Owen Morgan
sloppy work op
Nolan Parker
I'd like to think that I'm a self-sacrificing guy, and to be the first to run into a fire to help others.
But fuck you, I'd sit my ass down so hard I'd sprout roots.
Jackson Perry
Bruder incoming.
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Did we ever decide on a theme for episode one?
Cameron Rivera
Its pretty funny that all of them were given a week to live but all but one of them lasted way longer.
Xavier Flores
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Eli Turner
Dyatlov told me to do it! IT WAS DYATLOV!
Chase Robinson
>look into uranium mining in commie days
>miners were equipped with dust protective masks
>the filters of which were made out of asbestos
amazing
Joshua Green
It’s a disgrace. Really. To be spreading misinformation at a time like this.
Mason Roberts
Shut down the threads, prevent the spread of these great memes
Jordan Brown
Have some butter caviar tovarisch you're not you when you are 3.6
Nolan Edwards
Episode two is Five Years. Three doesn't need to be restated.
Charles Edwards
wow
Joshua Allen
Not as expensive as I thought it would be, but I'm guessing this is 95% butter
Noah Davis
Uhh...Comrade Dyatlov, I don't feel so good.
James Garcia
I want to see Core-chan boys
Nathaniel Reyes
>Viktor Degtyarenko
>scaled by steam
>didn't die until 23 days later
Good god.
Elijah Cook
what dumbass tries to feed grass to some butter lmao
Christian Wood
YOU DID EVERYTHING RIGHT, COMRADE
Jose Thompson
So wait, how DO RBMK reactors explode anyway? It was never explained
Angel White
Same
Jose Ward
you did everything right, bro
Henry Carter
THEY DON'T
Robert Kelly
Russians are a resilient people.
Jeremiah Hernandez
/RBMK/ General is pure kino. If you're too pleb to acknowledge that, you should fuck off or make a new thread.
Camden Reyes
YOU DID EVERYTHING RIGHT
Andrew Ward
COAL?
Samuel Howard
>"WHAT HAPPEN TO THESE MEN, COMRAYDE???XD"
>"SOOVERE RADIATION SICKNESS MIEN FUHRERVODKA"
>"AH THEN WE MUST KEEP THEM ALIVE FOR THE WEEKS! XDD"
>"YES KUMRAUUUYDE!!! XD____dDD"
Fucking Russians are morons.
Samuel Lopez
Where's my other Chemical/Nuclear Engineers loving a show about how we both can destroy and save the world!
Benjamin Ramirez
>poorlittlewhiteboi.jpg
he bout to be COALED
Carter Edwards
I THINK CORESVILLE SUCKS
Jason Fisher
Im so happy to see some decent miner kino. Born in a old mining town in Northern PA. Where my Coal Crackers at?
William Sanchez
Gotta light?
Anthony King
I need edits of this image for my /RBMK/ folder.
Dominic Price
u wot m8?
Asher Carter
Only "mining" kino I've seen is October Sky
Luke Parker
Blake Gomez
Oliver Price
>mr minister im coal
>you dont get to bring fans
Asher Miller
cringe and bluepilled liberals appropriating classic americana
nothing new here especially the irony of espousing the aesthetic of those that they hate
Aiden Torres
Kayden Diaz
This show portrays the incompetence of low to middle tier communist party officials really well
Nicholas Hill
>no one but legasov was concerned about 3.6 roentgen/hr
Being a russian peasant is suffering. Imagine living next to that shit and not being evacuated because "relax tovarisch it's only 4 chest X-rays"
Hunter Foster
Don't forget: post sneed forever.
Henry Cook
thnx
here u go
Luke Rogers
Oliver Morgan
Getting blamed for a big fuckup is essentially a death sentence
Oliver Perez
Chase Morales
Oof that is pure garbage
Here youtu.be
Carter Clark
Can someone please explain.
Connor Reyes
Why did they cover the coffins up with cement? Did they think the radiation would turn the people into mutants and didn't want them escaping?
Adam Wilson
the OC for this show is fucking insane
makes me happy lads
Jordan Wright
No bread. Get the fuck out of my room
David Price
Is 3.6 inches big?
Grayson Rivera
Based
Kayden Long
:3
Benjamin Wright
come again?
Justin Perez
Imagine what they must have felt literally looking into the core of the fucking reactor.
I can't even imagine the sheer terror/horror. seriously, I CANNOT actually imagine what that must have been like, looking into the eyes of the devil? looking straight into hell? fucking terrifying.
Luis Lee
not great, not terrible.
William Morales
David Scott
We used to say, if Russia wanted to defeat the US, all they would have to do is send their women.
Luke King
use nuclear fission to generate steam which operates a turbine
Xavier Cooper
Caleb Perez
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHH
Luke Hughes
How many of you boys would've roped after staring into the core fire?
Gavin Jenkins
same here desu
Kevin Morgan
I'm kind of surprised something like that wouldnt blind you instantly
Juan Sullivan
atom shoot bullet and spicy wave, spicy wave heats up water, water melts and makes spicy air, spicy air turns spinny thing, spinny thing makes zappy
Julian Allen
>tfw the banjo hits you just right
Jose Walker
May be less painful to just jump into the core
Austin Richardson
Aaron King
Might as well jump into it at that point.
Joshua Roberts
a daring sneedthesis
Jack White
WATCH OUT SNAKE! RADIATION
Benjamin Nelson
This.
Burn up instantly or burn up over sever weeks while you have explosive, painful diarrhea, your skin peels off, you rot from the inside out, etc
Austin Robinson
yes user, real life is like your videogames
Kayden Thomas
Me too, I read somewhere that looking into the flash of a nuclear bomb would blind you.
Brayden Perry
well they already looked like fucking zombies you can't blame them for being safe
Aiden Bell
look at him go haha
Andrew Hernandez
Big THICC atoms fire their neurons because they want to lose weight and become twinks. Those neurons smash into each other sometimes and release a shitload of heat energy. That heat is used to turn water into steam, which powers a turbine the same way a dam or coal plant would. It's a lot more efficient and clean than coal plants, but if it fucks up it REALLY fucks up.
Jose Davis
I’m curious what /RBMK/‘s stance on nuclear energy is. Which of these is closest to your own view:
A. Nuclear energy generation should be discontinued
B. Nuclear energy generation should be scaled back
C. Nuclear energy generation is beneficial and should remain at current levels
D. Nuclear energy generation is worth the risk and should be further funded and developed.
Thomas Walker
iirc it's not because of the wavelength/frequency of the photons that blinds you, it's the intensity, a nuke is insanely bright, you may as well be looking into the sun with a telescope. The core of the nuclear reactor is probably bright as fuck and will leave a dark spot on your vision but I don't think it's intense enough to blind you quicker than the radiation would kill you
Joseph Jenkins
Imagine a running you hand under two valve faucet. Radiation is the hot side, moderation/cooling is the cold side. Running a reactor is getting the right amount of output of hot water without burning your hand.
An RBMK reactor would work like as if to make any change to the cold side, you need to first lower it to minimum flow and then back up to where you want it.
This is a PE's analysis of how these machines work. That'll be $550 please.
Jordan Brown
>Big THICC atoms fire their neurons because they want to lose weight and become twinks.
Jayden Nguyen
D
Justin Rivera
>No iodine QT in like 3 threads
how is it even possible to not be thinking of that QT 24/7 I woke up today with wet sheets.
Jeremiah Davis
D
Gabriel Evans
D.
Any other option is for brainlets
Leo Brooks
shit, replace the word 'radiation' with reaction rate.
Elijah Russell
Nuclear energy should be expanded, and new RBMK reactors should be built.
Nathaniel Parker
D
but also I think all energy production should be localised, preferably using renewable sources within communities
Luke Lee
>Why did they cover the coffins up with cement?
The bodies were irradiated.
Sebastian Stewart
is that Lobonov?
Blake Reyes
C
Ian Hill
D but diversify our power sources by utilizing wind/solar/geothermal/hydroelectric etc.
Eli White
breeder reactors were much more actively researched before new uranium supplies were discovered. i think ignoring breeders for cost alone is a big mistake.
if someone can get their finger out and work out how to get fusion nailed then the point is moot.
Adrian Cruz
>15,000 roentgen
Xavier Wilson
D
When clean energy reaches a point where it can outperform nuclear, then nuclear should be discontinued.
Jason Smith
fuck off, we do it in packed beds
Thomas Wood
so bright you don't need eyes to see it
Jason Wright
You can never be too careful with gamma rays.
John Torres
somewhere between C and D 3.6
Jackson Russell
Fuck you, I popped a chubby when they said "Heat Exchanger."
Carter Gonzalez
D
Ian Mitchell
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i like to think the dancers are the people chromosomes getting blasted with radiation.
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Ethan Wood
D
Any other answers are from brainlets trying to play the "smart guy :DDDDD".
Ian Foster
Blake Rogers
Based
Mason Baker
Supreme keks
Isaiah Parker
How much feed water do they sell?
Sebastian Lewis
Nuclear energy is fine, but subhumans like slavs, blacks, and Arabs shouldn't be allowed to use it. The Chinese don't get any either, because they're a bunch of corner-cutting insectoids who can't be trusted to do anything right. I hate to pull the Japanese's privileges, but you dumb chinks built one in a tsunami zone--so you can fuck off too.
Noah Kelly
Rotates and generates electricity. Like how you can hook up a small DC motor to an LED, spin it, and the LED will flicker.
Logan Foster
Correct.
Ian Hill
>formerly /got/
Jayden Morales
imagine being in that tunnel
Asher Gomez
Connor Richardson
Apparently those 3 guys in diving suits survived, one dying in 2005 and the other two still alive.
Christopher Phillips
What makes them so based Yea Forums?
Christian Rodriguez
The radiations of their bodies would slowly consume the coffins, which would be completely corroded. Than that radiation would corrode the ground, and then she would be free, contaminating every thing around and beyond.
Hunter Diaz
>3:48
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Yea Forums B T F the fuck O
How will they recover?
Bentley Hill
>D. Nuclear energy generation is worth the risk and should be further funded and developed.
Nolan Gomez
It would be hard walking around with an erection.
Landon Carter
he died of heart failure iirc
Jaxson Sanders
>and than she would be free*
Gabriel Jones
they can see in the dark.
Daniel Gonzalez
As a Chemical Engiener: 1000000% D. Nuclear energy is the ONLY form of energy we should be using.
If you add up *all* the deaths from EVERY nuclear incident since 1939, it still is *less* than the yearly deaths from Coal (between the mining, transporting, and plants exploding) and Oil (same as above but add in the fires they also start at gas stations) and FAR easier to deal with than Solar which has a negative energy ratio (it take MORE energy to both manufacture and dispose of a Solar panel than it will ever produce).
Other than Hydroelectric (which is geographically limited) and geothermal (which has it's own sets of MAJOR risks), Nuclear is the ONLY fuel that you spend LESS fuel than it gets. That is not a violation of the 1st/2nd Law of Thermodynamics because we are only talking about limited view of Human existence, not the total system of the universe and the eons of energy used to make those materials.
Isaac Williams
theyre men
Chase Hill
Jaxon Wilson
>subhumans like slavs
t. pic related
James Powell
>As a Chemical Engiener:
so your opinion is meaningless unless you got degre from MIT or UMass Amherst
Elijah Roberts
>Despite severe risk, all three survived the mission, and in 2018 they were awarded the Order For Courage, Third Grade, by President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko.
>During the April 2018 ceremony, with the Chernobyl New Safe Confinement structure in the background, Poroshenko noted that the three men had been quickly forgotten at the time, with the Soviet news agency still hiding many of the details of the catastrophe, having reported that the three had all died and been buried in "tightly sealed zinc coffins."
>Ananenko and Bespalov received their awards in person while Baranov, who died in 2005, was awarded posthumously.
tfw Baranov was never recognized as a hero before he died
Benjamin Powell
They're proud of their position in life and they accept it.
Alexander Taylor
West Point. MIT is for pussies and Amherst is for rich morons.
Colton Nguyen
I loved people getting mad as hell after episode 2 stating that fact as if the show somehow showed them dead/dying.
David Fisher
They could literally give a shit about the soviet union.
William Hill
didn't Aleksandr Yuvchenko got irradiated to shit? how did he managed to live another 22 years?
Jaxon Williams
Was the Dyatlov casting good? I feel like the actor looks the part, but the performance is too comical.
Jaxon Richardson
D. We only use a fraction of what fission can actually produce, it's like using an erupting volcano to boil coffee. Obtaining the full output of energy would solve quite a few of the world's problems.
But we'll probably blow ourselves up with the technology anyway, either with a reactor meltdown or getting nuked.
Sebastian Adams
*watches this thread*
Benjamin Richardson
Secret Option E.
Dump billions into perfecting fusion power generation
Austin Scott
Na the real Dyatlov was a major prick. And if you're ever worked in a plant, you've met supervisors that act EXACTLY like that. And the whole "Ignoring a problem and hoping it will go away," is a part of life in complex system. You'd be SHOCKED how often that happens...
Luke Young
There was a critical powerspike, the reactor was SCRAM'd, that's the talk of "azed-5" however, the design of the control rods was such that when a scram is initiated the first thing to enter the reactor itself is NOT control rods, but rather the casing of the control rods, which displaces some of the water in the reactor. The water is acting as a neutron moderator, and the control rod casings do not moderate flux in any way and thus allow more neutrons to interact with the fuel, increasing energy/heat AND neutron flux. The Control rods took about 30 seconds to fully extend and shut down the chain reaction entirely, but the first few seconds of the process actually increase flux not decrease it.
This would not be an issue unless the reactor was already above its maximum safe operating pressure/temperature, which would never happen except that the "safety test" they were conducting had already removed a lot of safeguards and put the reactor into a dangerous state, then the unexpected power spike + the further increase in flux from the first few seconds of the SCRAM. Most of the time when a reactor is scram it's not because it's about to blow its top its because it's moving towards the sort of situation the safety was simulating, in a real emergency they would have scrammed the reactor long before reaching the sort of heat and pressure where the additional SCRAM spike would push it over the top.
It was a massive design flaw, simply because the whole point of the SCRAM is to emergency shutdown the reactor and the first 5- 10 seconds of the process causes a power spike, but it was the sort of design flaw that could only result in catastrophy under already catastrophic circumstances. It's soviet engineering in a nutshell, instead of redesigning the control rods to eliminate the spike they decided that such a spike would never present a danger because that additonal spike was not enough to pop or even damage the reactor on its own.
Jeremiah Parker
Bentley Richardson
Wind energy is based too.
Carter Perez
Russians are tough as nails.
Ethan Roberts
Ah, aaaah, ah ah aaaah...
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Chase Sullivan
I wanted Legasov to turn around and yell at them "YOU'RE GETTING FATAL DOSES OF RADIATION TOO!"
Elijah Jenkins
Wonder what Akimov looked like. I know his face was gone, but how did he talk?
Brody Rodriguez
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Citations and lots more details.
Jeremiah Robinson
Liam Taylor
If taking the mask off was so painful, you'd be wearing one too
Anthony Thompson
>Ah, aaaah, ah ah aaaah
Ethan Bell
They're litteraly the eptiome "you can't fire me because you need me" of the soviet union.
The union needs them and cant just simply do away with them so they're given a certain level of power for it
Justin Richardson
>but how did he talk?
Asher Green
miners were like folk gods in the USSR
Caleb Morgan
Luke Gomez
No it's not. They have an energy deficit problem too. Not as bad as solar by a long shot. But it takes FAR more energy to built, maintain, and operate a windmill than it will ever produce. The problem is the bearings; Most windmills will go through a full set about once a year, maybe every 8 months pending on the location. Each of those bearings, if you do the math, takes about 1 day of the Windmill's operation to produce (bearings are SUPER hard to make, especially ones that have to be that precise and large). And most windmills' full set will be 100-120 bearings. You can see how this, coupled with all the other maintenance expenditure (even just *driving* to the windmill costs energy that it is 'losing' in the net value).
No, baring Hydro and Geo, Nuclear is the only *positive* energy source.
William Walker
The most well-guarded secret of Soviet medical science
Hunter Foster
remember anons /RBMK/ is a circle of accountability
Josiah Hernandez
Brayden Hall
You did everything right, you brave brave bastard.
Adrian Gutierrez
That's it Dyatlov, I'm gonna kick your ass
Josiah Roberts
Also there's inherent problems with wind in where they go; as they change the weather patterns they are around (which is why they are not good near farmland) and likewise, don't work where wind is rare/messy.
Angel Thomas
durr
Cooper Morgan
How many roentgens in a sievert?
Jace Collins
>trust nobody not even your comrade
Robert Martin
kek weeb man never forget
Charles Roberts
3.6
Ian Price
Brody Johnson
Zachary Howard
University of Minnesota is consistently the top-rated ChemE grad program.
Also his opinion is dumb and I'd question his credentials. If you think our energy system should be served by a single source, you're an idiot. A very diverse portfolio is needed, especially given the decades-long lead times required for nuclear facility construction, and the fact that costs are relatively much higher for nuclear power.
D is a good answer, but nuclear absolutely needs work to achieve cost-parity (yes, wind and solar plus storage is now cheaper with the same output stability than the equivilent nuclear facility even without subsidies) and can only be brought online very slowly (we haven't seen a single new reactor built in decades, and the last big project tossed money into a whole for two decades before being canceled after the projected economics turned out to be shit.)
Isaac Kelly
just marathoned the first 3.6 episodes. christ what a complete disaster. really well shot. finding out the emily watsons character is based on the work of 100's of scientists was pretty annoying though.
Nicholas Myers
>No Edition
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Jace Cook
From q narrative pov, it just moves things along instead of us having to remember 100 names.
John Cox
>finding out the emily watsons character is based on the work of 100's of scientists was pretty annoying though.
How else would they have done it though?
Dylan Wright
If the lefttards are right about climate change: D
Otherwise it's A.
Jace Thompson
>University of Minnesota is consistently the top-rated ChemE grad program.
Behind USMA.
>A very diverse portfolio is needed, especially given the decades-long lead times required for nuclear facility construction, and the fact that costs are relatively much higher for nuclear power.
HAHA no. Nuclear where ever Hydro is unavailable.
Joshua Davis
Can someone also please explain to this user how aspect ratio works
Kayden Phillips
All memes aside. Was the disaster avoidable? or was it always going to happen somewhere in the Soviet Union?
Joseph Reyes
20 good men
Chase Thompson
Shills
Hunter White
If you listen to the podcast the writer mad a clear argument for it from a narrative to get to point A to B and said that he didnt want to take away from the story so he was riding a fine line.
Hunter Nelson
>Levgasov, we just got a call from a scientist in Belarus that suggested _____.
Nicholas Sullivan
Absolutely avoidable. The exact same conditions for the explosion were already noted and documented in a report from earlier that apparently no one gave a fuck enough to read.
Evan Reed
Of course it was avoidable, they'd told them not to do the safety tests until the reactor had a full day of inactivity to keep it cool, they had a normal working day and decided to do the tests anyway and everything overheated.
Wyatt King
Have sex
Matthew Davis
yeah i understand that. im saying its annoying i found out.
Jeremiah Murphy
everything had to go wrong for it to happen, and everything did go wrong
Joseph Evans
Nuclear power has never been given a fair shake and it is a safe assumption that if it were, lead times and establishment costs/times would decrease significantly.
You're saying that we shouldn't switch to just cars and keep horses because it will take too long/too difficult to establish the infrastructure/supply chain to support the shift.
Charles Roberts
What is your mom's number?
Gabriel Russell
He was the door guy and he lived until 2008
Liam Clark
>was the disaster avoidable?
No, Fate always get us.
Parker Perry
I thought it was weird only one scientist in russia knew about all this but yeah i get it but dont lose sleep over it.
Jaxon Mitchell
Yes this event in particular was avoidable but I think it was inevitably going to happen in the Soviet Union no matter what
Evan Adams
kek
Isaac Hill
Why was anybody listening to this clearly, clearly evil man?
In real life his speech would have ended and somebody would be like "Haha, that sounded like something a war criminal would say! Get out of here Jerry!"
Robert Morgan
So what went wrong? They did everything right.
Why are they saying its impossible for a reactor to explode?
Nicholas Adams
This reactor had a very specific shitty design flaw that every other reactor does not have
Nicholas Lewis
If my grandmother had wheels she would have been a bike
Michael Baker
You are wrong and probably get your bullshit from Facebook memes.
I work in energy analysis, and I read the literature. They take about 2 years to pay off their energy investment. Over the course of the lifetime of a typical operational turbine, they make about 20 times as much energy as they took to produce, install, operate, and decomission from raw materials to disposed/recycled parts.
Stop spreading your MAGA family member's talking points and go read for yourself.
Asher Gray
Deep as fuck
Chase Wilson
Nice night for a walk
Luke Taylor
>Why are they saying its impossible for a reactor to explode?
Chain Reactions
Both nuclear reactors and nuclear weapons depend upon chain reactions. Such reactions require the presence of fissile materials, which are any atomic isotopes which can, when they undergo a particular nuclear reaction, create the raw materials necessary for the same reaction to repeat itself. There's only one naturally occurring fissile isotope, and that's uranium-235 - all other fissile isotopes, such as various plutonium isotopes, have to be artificially "bred" from natural isotopes.
So how does a chain reaction work? Let's consider the one involving uranium-235, which is the chain reaction used in nuclear reactors and many nuclear weapons. A free neutron hits a slow-moving uranium-235 isotope and is absorbed into it. Here one of two things can happen: the uranium will fission into two lighter, faster-moving isotopes, typically krypton-92 and barium-141, as well as some gamma radiation. The nuclear reactor is then able to absorb this energy, which is about three million times the energy the same amount of coal can produce in conventional burning.
Crucially, this reaction also creates additional free neutrons, which can then be absorbed into other uranium-235 isotopes and start the whole process over again. This is why, of the naturally occurring uranium isotopes, only uranium-235 is fissile - when uranium-238 undergoes such reactions, it can't release neutrons with the energy to start up a chain reaction.
As long as the reactions create an average of one or more neutrons, the chain reaction can go on indefinitely. Frequently, these reactions create more than one free neutron, which can cause the amount of energy being produced to increase over subsequent generations.
Luke Kelly
>So what went wrong?
Everything
>They did everything right.
They didn't. They just say that to save their asses.
David Brown
>So what went wrong?
Everything
>They did everything right.
They didn't. They just say that to save their asses.
William Powell
>not having faith in the soviet system
fucking wreckers
Jaxson Lopez
Are there not more efficient ways to produce steam?
Kayden Reed
The japs literally thought the same thing with fukashima. They thought the Norks hit them with a missle when they felt a big boom.
Landon Bell
>tfw Core-chan is cold right now
>tfw she won't give us blue lights anymore
>tfw Core-chan is lost, in the dark, and they've covered her up even more
it's not fair bros, we brought her into the world, and now we're treating her like a monster
Oliver Torres
boringly and if she had a penis nobody on this board would be complaining
Jaxon Jenkins
>cant get a woman on his own
Based and incelpilled
Alexander Lee
It is impossible under regular conditions, Chernobyl was the target of an American terror attack.
Carson Flores
D.
Anyone who picks A or B hasn't read up on nuclear energy or is a fossil fuel shill
Grayson Phillips
At the time? No. And considering the vast quantities of uranium in the Soviet Union, it would have been foolish not to utilize the resources they had.
Hunter Johnson
Okay cool but the normie rebuttal is always >but what about the waste it's still radioactive blah blah blah
So what about the waste? Still worth it?
Jaxon Nelson
A. I love Marvel and GoTs!
Blake Green
she melted people
Brandon Watson
imagine you actually believe this
Jace Morris
She ghosted me after you were born.
Nicholas Miller
Why does legasov say that 3.6 is significant when dyatlov and the other guys specifically say it's not terrible? How bad is 3.6 actually? Would feed water be worse, or better than 3.6 in real life?
Liam Bennett
Core-chan will outlive all humanity.
Noah Gray
Molly maguires whatup
Josiah Barnes
3.6 is the maximum they could read on their devices. Its terrible but not that terrible. The actual values were in the THOUSANDS.
Cameron Rodriguez
I Think he said it was bad because that's as far as the shitty equiptment they had could go.
Wyatt Collins
water got in the core causing steam explosion.
Benjamin Evans
its significant because it is the maximum value that could be measured by their shitty dosimeters. Meaning the actual reading could be 10,000. If the reading was 2.5 it would be insignificant even if unhealthy. Because if it was reading 2.5 nobody would be under the false impression they were safe.
Benjamin Edwards
What do you mean? US reactor sales fell to zero before even Three Mile Island happened, much less Chernobyl. It was given a perfectly fine fair shake.
As we operated plants, we found our estimates of cost (cheap clean nuclear was not cheap after all) were way off, and that it was actually pretty expensive per kWh, thus no power companies would buy new reactors. Not due to fears from the public, not due to new regulations after major events, but on the merits of the basic techno-economics themselves.
As for now, the levelized cost of electricity projected by the EIA (see eia.gov
Sure, there's a learning curve that will bring costs down as we deploy, but that's true of the competing technologies as well, so not really a big unique bonus for nuclear.
If carbon pricing comes into play, that would be a boon to nuclear, or if DOE put more funds into nuclear research in the ARPA-E program or similar, that could lead to tech breakthroughs that will help costs as well, but you can't just demand that the uneconomical source of power be bought by electricity utilities because you happen to like it. Be honest with yourself about why it isn't being deployed and work to fix those problems instead of just bitching about the other technologies that are being increasingly deployed!
Jonathan Perez
Some slavs anons should organise a team and reactivate Core-Chan.
Ethan Brown
Posts like this will get you on lists
Cameron Martinez
Its called Jowday
Ian Butler
Core-Chan is still burning and will burn for thousands of years
Brayden Evans
I've heard the relatively low limit for most devices at he time was because instruments designed for high levels of radiation detection could not perceive lower levels as accurately, or maybe not at all. So for smaller issues they expected with the reactor, you'd want the more sensitive machinery to help pinpoint the area. But that could all be bullshit.
Tyler Allen
First of all, depends on the waste. Irradiated coolant and spent fuel are two very different things.
Most coolants are safe within a few months/years. Spent fuel takes much longer but there is MUCH less of it. If you took all the spent fuel ever produced by EVERY reactor, you'd barely be able to fill the ground floor of a soccer stadium.
And this is of course ignoring that it produces NO CO2, no CO. Once built runs for decades, not requiring constant supplies driven from one side of the planet to the other.
And "Because it is hard" is a stupid excuse for not doing it. Building cars is much harder than just breeding/training horses, but I don't see us going backwards that way either. Nuclear is the ONLY one that makes sense, because it makes everything else make sense. You can switch everyone in the world to electric cars, it won't matter if that electricity comes from a COAL plant.
Dominic Reyes
So it's not that 3.6 is 'bad', it's that he knew off the top of his head the max reading on common dosimeters?
John Cox
nuclear reactors need to be deregulated massively they are TOO safe!
Eli Kelly
Kek....thanks user 4 that
Jack Baker
wish I had some miner bros irl ;_;
Gabriel Gonzalez
Were high level Soviet party guys this retarded in real life? They're all portrayed as morally corrupt buffoons.
Brayden Lopez
Nice spoiler faggot.
Charles Howard
Colton Parker
>As we operated plants, we found our estimates of cost (cheap clean nuclear was not cheap after all) were way off, and that it was actually pretty expensive per kWh
You're only giving half the story; the reason those kWh values were so low was because they were still competing with a preponderance of Coal/Oil plants. And as a result, most reactors were running at 15-20% output potential.
That's what I meant by fair shake; if they had switched the entire GRID to nuclear power it's values would shone through.
Jason White
We understand how nuclear fission chain reactions release energy and self-sustain. You did nothing to explain why those familiar with the RBMK design felt it was inherently safe and explosion-proof, you just gave us a the "What is fission" blurb from a 3rd grade Weekly Reader.
Jayden Gonzalez
>we work hard
>we play hard
Isaac Ross
No it's not it's been it cold shutdown for like a decade or more, meaning theres no more fission happening, it does and will continue to give off radiation for thousands of years.
Logan Phillips
>Most coolants are safe within a few months/years. Spent fuel takes much longer but there is MUCH less of it. If you took all the spent fuel ever produced by EVERY reactor, you'd barely be able to fill the ground floor of a soccer stadium.
Thank you for this, the way people talk about nuclear waste you would think there would me mineshafts full of the stuff
Austin Walker
Yes. Stalin purged everyone with a brain.
Cameron Anderson
No you brainlet. They only had the 3.6 info and passed it on to pretend everything is fine. All of it was done to save face in front of the party. Every lied to each other to protect themselves. Nobody cared about the actual incident and how to contain it. They only had to once it reached critical levels, world ending levels of threat.
Nolan Brown
Jaxon Ortiz
Definitely not what happened, but I wouldn't put it past the Yanks desu
Logan Reed
They had no idea of the forces they were dealing with when it came to nuclear energy. For them it was something like "Oh shit it's on fire, better just put it out and get it repaired real quick."
Michael Edwards
Stalin killed or jailed anyone competent enough to pose any threat to him.
That style of cronyism and loyalty above all else permeated every level of the USSR government and carried over to the Russian Federation
Hudson Jackson
Yeah I just copy pasted something because I was bored. I work in a carwash, what do you want from me.
Bentley Sanchez
Can't let the Night King have irradiated wights.
Sebastian Bennett
>Thank you for this, the way people talk about nuclear waste you would think there would me mineshafts full of the stuff
There is, but the problem is there's an inflow *and* and outflow. Coolant is stored while it's activity levels come down, but it is REMOVED (and typically reused) when it's at a safe level. There is a point where they reach steady state and the net production is 0.
Liam Garcia
ITT Yea Forums anons become nuclear physicists and engineers overnight
Kayden Johnson
No, I've never been on Yea Forums before, this show APPEALS to Engineers so here we are.
Samuel Carter
>smart people do not exist and are an invention of the jews
Dylan Cox
He knew it was above 3.6 and that all the party officials were happily passing on a lie to save themselves.
Ayden Jenkins
No, those guys are idiots. The dude who used the meter recognized that 3.6 was the limit, but the quote "that's bad, but not terrible" has nothing to do with that. It's that 3.6 rotgens indicates there is clearly a release of radioactive material somewhere (the background level in the plant should be much lower normally) but that it isn't an acute exposure hazard quite yet at that level. The higher-ups simply passed along the number they heard and did not consider that it was also the max reading until it was mentioned later at the committee meeting.
Matthew Garcia
Don't forget Soviet historians
Ryan Martin
I'm a nuclear physicists too, tell me, how does a RBMK reactor explodes?
Christian Smith
Stop lying, you shitpost on Yea Forums regularly.
Robert Brooks
:)
Justin Jenkins
I'm interested in seeing how they set up that heat exchanger. It won't be like a shell and tube one right since they need just need to pass the cooling fluid beneath the reactor?
Angel Rodriguez
Na, I'm normally a /k/ommando troll, which is the other reason I'm here; love the slavshit beauty shots.
Isaac Morales
steam.
give me pay rise now comrade
Alexander Watson
IT DOESN'T
Zachary Allen
Soviet history is fascinating
Asher Scott
We conducted age surveys in the name of information for the general. This general is full of 30 yo old boomers.
Sebastian Brown
This movie is pretty good.
Camden Bailey
Tyler Cook
Leo Morgan
If I had a guess, it would have been a radiator. For something as big as they needed (30m x 30m right?) Shell and tube wouldn't have enough surface area ratio to do what they needed that deep underground so I'd assume they were just going to do a big radiator.
Brandon Baker
with out IQs combined we could probably make a core chan waifu and push her into meltdown
Jeremiah Ramirez
>that part when he describes a soviet armored raid to a kraut airfield
>a t-34 rams a ju-52 and the fuel tanks on the plane explode burning both tank and plane
Jaxson Morales
>if they had switched the entire GRID to nuclear power it's values would shone through.
... and then they would have had zero ability to load-follow.
Power demands aren't constant and flat all the time. There is a demand curve. Just as we can't have all intermittent sources (without storage) we also can't have only slow-responding baseload power. Nuke plants like to get up to full output and just hum there constantly. You can't throw around the power output levels, and they quickly become uneconomical if you do operate at capacity factors that fall below ~95%.
There are pros and cons to different sources, so a mix that leverages their different behaviors will always out-perform any grid design that utilizes only a single technology. This isn't even a disputed concept outside of kids on an imageboard.
Luis Powell
There are many times I am embarrassed by my background, but there are other times I laugh at how great my people were.
Jace Reyes
Easton Thomas
It's cool bro; you still contributed to the thread!
Asher Jones
Core-Chan had a wicked sense of humor.
Grayson Richardson
You did everything right, comrade
Cooper Roberts
>tfw we will never build a nuclear reactor made of clocks and fire detectors with your /RBMK/ brahs
Nathan Parker
The thing about cruel authoritarian leaders is that the culling of good, moral, and intelligent people is perpetuated basically forever throughout society.
The evil leaders themselves elevate evil individuals who perform evil deeds. But then the population, in order to survive, must then become evil themselves or throw their good-natured neighbors under the bus in order to survive. Even if it means cutting in line or taking advantage of corruption to get in the front of the line, the most ruthless part of the population survives; those who have any sense of goodness are culled because in this system and context, goodness is considered weakness.
Then those who survive raise a new generation of people, who also turn out to be assholes or are raised under circumstances and moral rules that are necessary in a world of assholes. Few people who resort to cruelty to survive tend to revert back to goodness. The best you can hope for is that someone grows up to be able to identify kindness enough to a) not instinctively take advantage of it b) learn to be kind themselves.
You look at all these post-communist countries and meet the people and you can see the damage done to the populace not exactly by communist ideals but by the cruelty necessary to implement a communist government. Then you meet the people who fled those nations before it went to shit and you realize they were the best, smartest, and kindest people of that nation who had the sense and bravery to leave. Then you see Then you meet people who live in enclaves of that nation protected from the worst of the government (like Hong Kong) and you see how they might be awful in some way but they're miles ahead of the mainland.
Carter Sanchez
kek
someone replace 'the anvil' with 'the tunnel'
Ian Reyes
Ukrainian propaganda. That piglets disease was genetic not a result of radiation.
Liam Bell
No it's not you fucking idiot. If it doesn't have "Chernobyl" somewhere in OP people won't fucking find it when they search for the show
Noah Long
Makes sense, and that's a shit ton of tubing plus they need to pump all that liquid nitrogen through steadily.
Nathaniel Russell
that is a actually a normal russian fetus
Gabriel Cruz
And you will be accountable for the newfags?
Logan Anderson
It wasn't going to be shell-and-tube (liquid-liquid exchange) nor was it going to be a "radiator" (assuming you mean like a car's or house's radiator, a fin-tube gas-liquid heat exchanger) It was going to be a liquid-solid heat exchanger, so really much simpler: tubes embedded in the soil just under or directly attached to the bottom concrete pad to directly cool the soil and transfer heat down from the hot corium as it makes contact with and partially melts into the pad.
Hunter Watson
>people won't fucking find it when they search for the show
Legasov IQ
Jace Smith
D
Jaxson James
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Cameron Fisher
>touching, sad funeral scene
>sound fx: *SHLOOP SHLOOOOOOP GLORP FLUPFLARP SHLERP*
who else kekked?
Grayson Ward
All these Ds...
Gabriel Kelly
Jaxon Torres
Merge with Core-chan, it is the only redpilled option left to you at that point
Landon Richardson
>... and then they would have had zero ability to load-follow.
That's a bullshit reason. First of all capacitors are a thing that exists. As are bleed off sources. To say nothing that you can just reduce the reaction rate and thus the output.
>we also can't have only slow-responding baseload power.
WTF are you talking about? Nuclear plants are the fastest respond source of power behind hydro. It takes minutes, tops, for modern reactors to change reaction rates.
>This isn't even a disputed concept outside of kids on an imageboard.
On that we agree, but that's because there's an in placed set of morons who spent the last 50 years buying the cool-aid that nuclear is a secondary, at best, source, and that in order to prop up bullshit antiquated industries, we need a plurality of sources. Bullshit. We didn't keep the buggy whip makers around why the fuck should oil/coal be propped up when a VASTLY superior industry exists.
Carter Howard
>Stalin wouldn't believe any of the reports that Germany was invading because he honestly believed Hitler was his comrade
James Myers
We'll burn it all down Uncle Ted
David Young
if people are coming to /RBMK/ for the first time at this stage in the miniseries, do we really want their type undermining the fruits of our labor?
Eli Lee
China is not so bad as propaganda tells it is.
Dominic Collins
who's the con faggot bottom right again?
Samuel Phillips
Thanks for the thoughtful and extensive reply, bud. Russia is just a fascinating country to me.
Jeremiah Rivera
imagine the smell
Tyler Bennett
either:
t. Chang propagandist poster.
or
t. ignorant fucking westerner who does not know a god damned thing about china.
Jayden Perry
3.6 roentgen/hour = 36 millisievert/hour
So about the yearly limit for a nuclear engineer every 90 minutes.
1:250 cancer risk after 12 hours.
So not too good if you start walking away quickly. Terrible if you stick around for 48 hours.
It would take about 24 hours to hit 1 gray at 3.6 roentgen/hr.
actual doses were thousands of times higher
>The radiation levels in the worst-hit areas of the reactor building, including the control room, have been estimated at 300Sv/hr, (300,000mSv/hr)
thats 30 gray(100% fatality) in 10 minutes
Benjamin Cruz
What the fuck do you mean "Have enough surface area ratio"?! What the hell is your second working fluid that you'd put into a shell and tube HX that would need surface area to transfer heat from into the liquid nitrogen?
Making claim's about "size appropriateness" when the physics of the solution to the problem doesn't even make sense to begin with kinda reveals you to be someone who likes to say fancy words without understanding what they actually refer to.
Joshua Reed
YES
LET IT CONTINUE ON
Landon Perry
peter jordanson
Jacob Powell
Apparently they built the heat exchanger but never turned it on.
Luis Lopez
This isn't /got/ you faggot. Please fucking leave.
Lincoln Jenkins
>being this brainwashed
That was funny, C.I.A middle-man.
James Butler
yeah I realized shell and tube didn't make sense after posting
Elijah King
profesor ballwasher.
Matthew Ramirez
>First of all capacitors are a thing that exists.
lol, ok, nuke plants will build massive football stadium sized capacitors capable of smoothing a gigawatt scale 24 hour load curve into a perfectly flat. You're truly being perfectly reasonable about existing tech.
Brayden Reed
youtube.com
Original Pripyat evacuation message with English subtitles encoded
Ethan Russell
NEW THREAD
Mason Price
Poor Ignatenko looks like a glazed slice of pizza
Adam Morales
So how the fuck did it explode anyway? Was there ever a confirmed reason?
Cameron Myers
well anyone with a brainstem ie. educated could tell the soviet system was a crappy dictatorshit hiding behind a thin veneer of altrusim and sacrifice so they were all sent to gulag.
Isaac Cox
How many greys was ignatenko exposed to?
Isaac Jenkins
>In high school my physics class had a field trip to the nearby nuclear power plant
>They brought us into the mock control room they use for training
>We got split into groups & each group was assigned to one part of the control room
>End up being assigned to something gay like the emergency diesel generators
>The simulation they ran was just normal operations so my group does nothing for 20 minutes
>Get bored, walk over to another station (I think it had something to do with the turbines?) & convince a friend to do something that will justify us turning on the generators
>Alarm bleeps, we turn on the emergency generators, it stops
>Well that was enthralling
>Wait another ~20 minutes
>Dying of boredom
>Trade places with someone doing water
>Turn off all the water
>Alarms start going off
>Everyone at the other stations start intentionally fucking their shit up as well
>Simulation ends in a meltdown
Solid 3.6/10 field trip.
Jaxson White
shh no tears only dreams
Chase Watson
>It takes minutes, tops, for modern reactors to change reaction rates.
Yeah, within a 5-10% range around nominal rated output. Beyond that? No good. You can change your heat rate fast, but the turbomachinery has a very narrow operating window given the (relatively) low temperatures used in the non-superheating versions of the Rankine cycle that nuke plants employ. They can't flex electrical output very much nor very fast.
Charles Martinez
Lovecraftian
Easton Diaz
a few opposing theories, but it took them awhile to compile because the reactor defects were hidden by the designers
Brody Perez
D
Easton Parker
In my experience (Chinese, Hungarians, Saudis, Ukranians) every country coming out of an authoritarian regime or experiencing an authoritarian regime produces the same sort of people. The damage to the culture as defined by a universal sense of goodness seems to be almost permanent (personal experience having met three generations of people coming from communist regimes) but I personally have only lived one generation but I don't exactly see any real recovery in my generation.
Three groups:
- those who remain
- those who remained but were privileged/didn't have to fight in the mud for scraps of food
- and those who fled
There are significantly more "good" and "moral" people in each group as you go down the list. I'm not saying that those who felt the full brunt of the authoritarian regime or raised children are certain to turn out to be shitters, but in my experience it's close enough to 100%. I've met too many social elites from those societies whose first thing they did after college was get the fuck out.
Samuel Ross
You forgot my boi, he's still kicking!
Josiah Adams
1/?
Atoms are held together by subatomic forces. Both neutrons and protons experience the strong nuclear force. The strong nuclear force is strong, but only works over short distances.
Protons experience electromagnetic force, which makes them want to stay away from each other. Strong nuclear force can be stronger than electromagnetic force. Thus, protons can bond to form atoms. However, too many protons will make something unstable. But if you throw in some neutrons, it can hold these otherwise unstable proton globs together. As you start increasing the amount of protons, the amount of neutrons needed to hold it together increase. And after so many protons, no matter how many neutrons you have, it will always be unstable.
This instability is called radioactivity. Depending on the amount of protons and neutrons, an atom can undergo changes to become more stable. This is called radioactive decay. Radioactive decay is a truly random process for the individual atom. However, if you take a bunch of them, 50% of it will be gone after a certain length of time, and then 50% of that will be gone after length of that time. This is called the half-life. The longer the half-life of an atom, the more stable it is.
Atoms also have something called cross-sections, which measure the likelihood of an interaction happening (it is in units of area, but ignore that for now). An important cross section in nuclear reactor theory is the neutron capture cross section. Turns out, uranium-235 has a high neutron capture cross section and when bombarded with neutrons, emits (on average) more than two neutrons.
Natural uranium, however, has low amounts of uranium-235 due to the half-life of it being shorter than the half-life of 235 being shorter than uranium-238. After some insanely difficult and expensive chemistry, you can get rid of a lot of the 238 in a sample to have something with a higher percentage of 235. This is called enrichment.