You faggots try to meme the "LOL TAX POLICY" on him, but it's true...

>Chad Great War Veteran and Expert in Medieval English Literature
>constructs his stories like mythical historical stories in medieval literature(i.e Beowulf, Sir Gawain or Morte Arthur) like the middle ages in their own words and borrowing common aspects of indo-european mythology

>Virgin Draft Dodger and Realismfag
>makes his books "realistic" by being edgy and imposing modern sensiblities on psuedo medieval society

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The first movie opens with him selling weapons to the government

yeah, but he changed his mind after that

so what does he sell exactly?

this is not the example i would've chose from tolkien to btfo martin

holy shit chad tolkien blowing the shit out of virgn martin

Yes, good guys win, but at the expense of the diminishment of the world.

>a linguist writes a story about something he likes
>decades later people are butthurt about it and debate it furiously

But the entire season 8 was good vs evil trope. Episode 3: Good vs Evil / Living vs Night King
Episode 5/6: Subverted: Evil Daenerys slaughtering King's Landing, needed in ep6 to be taked down.

PS: Tolkien is by far better storyteller and writer than GRRM.

>good guys winning is bad
You slave faggot

this

And GRRM is literally Godard

>PS: Tolkien is by far better storyteller and writer than GRRM.
true but the rest wasn't written by GRRM.

Why is he wearing a star of David like a 1940's train car jew?

In Martin's defence, while ASOIAF is violent and often leans towards a cynical view of certain aspects of traditional fantasy, it is not as sardonic as the show. The misery the characters go through and the horrible shit that's inflicted on them is used to throw into relief the more positive things.

Compare the legacies of Tywin and Ned, who at a casual glance, are 'good' and 'bad' at playing the game respectively. However, Tywin holds together his power though sheer force of will, money, fear and brutality, and his empire crumbles as soon as he's dead (killed by his own son due to his own cruelty towards him). Ned ruled justly and fairly, and it's revealed in AFFC and ADWD that his bannermen remain loyal to him even after his family's been destroyed. The show cutting out things like the mountain tribes gladly going on a death march with Stannis just to save "Ned's girl" or Manderly's speech about getting revenge is further proof (as if it's needed) that D&D completely missed the point. The Northern lords in the show are a bunch of backstabbing shits whose allegiance goes wherever the wind is blowing.

Remember the scenes with Ian McShane and the sept in season 6? That kind of uplifting mood, even in the face of all the terrible shit that's happened? There's that kind of stuff sprinkled all throughout AFFC and ADWD, but it was cut out for memedwarf quips, bad poosay and Euron's big cock. How does that story with Ian McShane end in the show though? With everyone dead, the Hound returning to violence and basically forgetting everything that happened. Bravo D&D. 10/10.

I completely forgot Ian McShane was in GoT.
Thanks Satan.

>There's no sex or gore so LotR is CHILDREN'S literature!

I too only play M rated games for mature gamers such as myself.

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>implying its only lotrfags posting tax policy memes

only good takes itt

i hope so, because i really dont want Daenerys in books to get Anakin Skywalker'ed with 0 positive traits like in EP5/6.

I hate what they did to Denethor in those films. Easily the most fascinating character in LotR and he was ruined by hackson

Tolkien envy is really common with crap fantasy writers.

100% rape

>good guys always win

Tell that to Boromir.

Imagine being gurm and reading that. Imagine needing a mirror to see your own penis.

its actually Robekino

Tell that to any character in the Silmarillion.

Seriously if you grimderp juvanile edgelords NEED murder and incest and sad endings in your stories well Tolkien's written that too.

Do you not know that GRRM praises LotR? It's his favourite series by far.

It also had based thicc Ancalagon.

Someone post broken man speech

GRRM can't compete with Tom Bombadillo

If the good guys always win then why did Bran get the throne? As he says at the end, he only showed up cause he saw in his psychic visions he would get the crown. He let everyone die to get it. Its dumb how none of the other kingdoms demanded independence after he gave the north theirs. Everyone should of stood up and demanded it

Both of them are great for different reasons now stop fighting and start kissing you homos

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You think Bran will re-instate the Lord's right to the first night?

LotR's greatness >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GoT's greatness

GoT is good at being a soap opera. That's about it.

What if jon and jorah were to eat dothraki seed that dripped from dany's cunt?

I think this would really tie in with the deep themes I've been setting up.

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what D&D did to the Northern lords is unforgivable desu

I wish Dumb and dumber had the balls to call make Bran say "Sansa the raped" after she called him broken and said his dick dont work

What's Bran's tax policy?

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>The Ring Cycle is capeshit!
>The Magic Flute is capeshit!
shutup faggot. GOT is capeshit

your moms pussy

Why do you people get SO FUCKING MAD about GRRM? He's writing a different kind of fiction, its like getting assblasted that Neuromancer isn't Dune

my moms pussy isn't that expensive

i mean he has like 12 ironman suits, ridiculous, he has the GDP of entire nations

See Tolkien beat everyone to the punch, the same way Dungeons & Dragons beat all other traditional RPGs to the punch.

"edgy is better"
-classic fedora 2019-

Imagine the smell

>this fantasy is too fantastical for me

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Sansa the Sullied would be better

How many of you that spout this nonesense have actually read LotR and ASoIaF?
Don't be shy. With all of these opinions you all have I'm sure you read a lot.

try?

Jesus Christ how will GRRM ever recover?

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You guys are fucking morons seriously.

Everything that has happened is by design.

Have you guys ever done an IQ test?

They are pulling off an amazing twist.

You have seriously not payed good enough attention.

There is another episode coming, the real finale.

Bran drowned in his vision, as warned by Bloodraven.

Google: "Chekhov's gun".

did I say children? i should have said fantasy; they mean the same thing in my language (adult)

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Reminder that George himself makes these threads. Reminder that he hates me because I stole his Hugo award.

t. J.K. Rowling

Why do you think her eyes are watering? Between that 30 years of no bathing, leather and ball sack musk and the pickle jar of a prick he's stuffing in her boipuccy, you'd be crying too.

read both series, LotR is better over all but ASOIAF is better in some aspects, this imaginary feud between the two of them is a meme and a bad one

Read tolkein first you dumb faggot. The lore is far more nuanced than that. children of Hurin, Dagor Dagorath. Also grrm “world” building is ripping history and throwing in vague lovecraft references.

you're gay

which is retarded. You don't complain about how the foundations were laid with simplicity.

What was Daenerys’s tax policy?

Stannis is a better character than any fucking character in the entirety of lotr

i don't think Martin ever displays Tolkien envy. he's said many times while he's honored people call him the next tolkien, he doesn't really like the title since their works are nothing alike

why are people so desperate to set up this martin vs tolkien autism?

youtube.com/watch?v=PH31spKQ0Ls

You know OP, you actually have a good point. LOTR only has good world building.

this is ignored every time

at least I’m not mad, George

because its funny

imagine being such a fucking chad you graduate oxford and fight in the somme, the most grueling battle in the most grueling war mankind ever fought, and return to your studies and end up becoming a top-tier world famous professor of philology and medieval literature, only to take all your skills and make up dozens of complete languages with roots, tenses, and grammar rules more eloquent than actual irl ones, and then use your knowledge of cartography and world-making to develop a whole world where these languages can come from. and then, happy with that, make a whole mythology to compete with the norse and greeks about how that world came to be and the various stories of the people in it, blending the themes of Catholicism and the simple loving life of the countryside to the work

and then, doing all that, just write a fucking bed time story for your kids, and then making a sequel cause you're bored and it's the single greatest fantasy story ever

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But what is George's tax policy?

Finish the fucking books fatass

Fatso made the claims, everyone else has simply just taken him to task on them

t.mag/got/

Tolkien was writing a new English myth, he wasn't trying to emulate historical fiction. This is like complaining that the Iliad doesn't have a book on Trojan import policies.

he never made any claims really, an interviewer asked him what separated his works from tolkiens and he gave a reasonable answer.

It’s the arrogance of the quote that pisses people off. It’s like the director of “Dracula: Untold” being like, “well you know it’s not a very good book”

Chronicles of Narnia is the superior novel.

>interview asks him how his works are different from tolkien
>he answers
how is that arrogant? he never said LOTR wasn't good, i'm pretty sure he said tolkien was a genius in the same interview.

He specifically uses the term 'quibble' as in he felt Tolkien was lacking something or had some deficiency in his writing that is greatly improved when Martin writes his work.

Because I’ve only ever heard it out on context and this combined with a couple other quotes where he acts all smug have made me write him off as an asshole

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It's something he didn't like about Tolkien's work and wanted to go into more detail with in his own. If he thought Tolkien's work were the perfect fantasy ever then there'd scarcely be any point to writing his own novels.
see
The dude does nothing but suck Tolkien's dick whenever he's brought up, and claims he rereads LOTR like every year.

>The dude does nothing but suck Tolkien's dick whenever he's brought up, and claims he rereads LOTR like every year.

To be fair if my stuff was a complete derivative of something else I’d probably read it myself too.

how is ASOIAF derivative of LOTR?

it's arrogant because the breadth of information on the world of Middle Earth makes the world of ASoIAF look like something a 5 year old came up with
the Lord of the Rings trilogy and the Hobbit are merely stories from the world, and no one tells stories about tax policies

>It's something he didn't like about Tolkien's work

Yeah and exposes his fundamental misunderstanding of what Tolkien did
Literally the same as picking up Beowulf or Le Morte D'Arthur and dismissing them because we never hear about the tax policies, it is essentially the same complaint in the same context.

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This is now a Bobby thread

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It's not a misunderstanding. He acknowledges why Tolkien did what he did, and says that Tolkien was creating a myth. He's simply claiming it's not the story he wants to tell, and I don't know why you think he's dismissing LOTR. the dude loves LOTR.

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as mentioned already it's because he simply doesn't write it off as a difference between their intents, but says it's a specific problem he has with Tolkien, ('I do quibble with'), this is including other statements he's made like how he thinks LOTR's depiction of war is dishonest because there's no sexual violence, or how Gandalf should have stayed dead, missing the entire point of Gandalf's death and resurrection into a more complete and perfect form.

I think the issue is they were both writing different books. LotR is dripping in morality, ASoIaF is dripping with subverting morality. Both just happen to be in a fantasy setting, so it's a bad critique. GRRM is only saying he would never write that type of book. Well no shit mane

When I went to grad school for literature, the radical eco-feminists complained that Tolkien was trash because he never wrote about the masturbatory habits of his characters like George R.R. Martin does

Tolkien created the fantasy genre so anything in that falls under his umbrella makes subsequent works derivative. btw "derivative" doesn't mean "bad"

we live in a society

>Stannis is a better character than any fucking character in the entirety of lotr
Hmm, interesting thought, will have to think on that one. Plus Theon was such a good character that even D&D managed to not fuck him up and the normies loved his arc.

More like:
>Chad Richard Wagner
>writer and composer, but he was so good that his works influenced politics, philosophy and theatre too
>fought against the Prussians

>Chad Mervyn Peake
>illustrator and writer
>old name
>talented
>was beyond the good VS evil shit and avoided the edgy stuff
>wrote his first book while fighting in WW2

>gay WW1 veteran with an useless degree
>butthurt with the fact that the Germans were better and would win the war without the American intervention, so he stole the concept from Richard Wagner and Walter Scott, got mad when people talked about it

>fat fuck full homo ameriboomer GRRM
>he isn't good enough to be compared to real writers, so people keep comparing him to Tolkien
>mad with the fact that people want him to finish the books (A.K.A. do his job)
>his edgy soap opera is so shit that even normies are hating

its fucking hilarious watching these tolkien autists have a complete sperg meltdown whenever anyone criticizes his children stories. i read the hobbit and lotr when i was like 14, i dont know how someone gets so obsessed with those kid books lmao. there's this very childish tone to those books that i never really liked, i've seen clips of the animated movie and it has that same kind of tone to it, it always creeped me out. the movies did a much better job setting the tone. now go have a shitfit over that.

have sex

>HE WAS IN WW1!
>HE WAS A PROFESSOR!
>HE WAS A LINGUIST!
>LOTR IS ONE OF THE BEST SELLING BOOK SERIES IN HISTORY!

thank you for once again posting the same tired non arguments that every frothing at the mouth tolkientard posts in these threads over and over again like they mean anything

yea, he doesn't produce top quality as consistently as Tolkien, but if you can honestly read this and tell me that martin's a shit writer then you're nothing more than a warped form of redditor yourself

all that work for some fantasy novel where eagles save the day and good triumphs evil with hardly any real death of the main characters or consequence

I disagree, stannis is a great character and the books especially make him really fascinating, but lotr has fantastic characters all the wat through. the 'problem' is that Tolkien writes lotr very intentionally like a blend of history and medieval epics, so you don't get to be inside people's heads and thoughts as much
he 'paints' characters far more often than he just announces their thoughts on the page, and it's a sign of his skill that we still get incredibly detailed people even doing that

denethor, for example. you never have an internal monologue about his big machinations or whatever, but you still get to see an amazing characterization of a once-noble man slowly given over to despair
theoden, Boromir, sam, faramir, the list goes on. I can understand why people don't like the way Tolkien presents his work, but that doesn't take away from the genius of the work itself

Lamo Gandalf should stay dead but Jon snow and barric are gonna be rezzed so Arya can one shot the nk

the dude has literally said that if tolkien wanted he could easily make something more similar to asoiaf but in middle earth, he just didn't want to and he is right.
Why all the seething

and songs. so many gay ass songs and godawful poems.
the funniest part is most of the shit these idiots jerk off isn't even in lotr. there's some stuff in the appendices, but the main source of all this lore comes from a book that he never released during his lifetime because he was never satisfied with it. then he died and greedy cunt of a son "finished" it and made money off it.

but a work doesn't have to have everyone die to be good
it's meant to look at wider ideas of good and evil and temptation, not just be an edgefest of blood and gore

You're also forgetting

>HE WAS A CATHOLIC!
>HE CONVERTED CS LEWIS!
>HE GOT TO BANG HIS ELDER SISTER TIER GF AND HAVE LOTSA KIDS
>HE WAS AN EXPERT ON BEOWULF
>HE HAD A HARD-ON FR ELVES

imagine being this butthurt over a book

have sex you virgin freak

>I don't understand the events leading up to the story of The Lord of the Rings
all of the most important heroes are literally wiped out in one battle just to momentarily contain Sauron

you can still respect and like but have quibbles with aspects tolkien dick sucker. Alot of the problems i have with fantasy are present in lotr and especially the last 2 seasons of game of thrones but i hardly blame grrm for that

What page/chapter is about the Seven Kingdoms' tax policy?

imagine overrating a childrens book because you're mad that another shitty series is in the limelight.

>all that work for some fantasy novel where eagles save the day and good triumphs evil with hardly any real death of the main characters or consequence
You're an actual brainlet, I hope you come to realize that.

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you left out cultivating yourself as a painter of highly unique and stylized artwork as a side side side side hobby, on top of all of that. Seriously look at this shit. Dude could have been the western miyazaki before the actual miyazaki had he thrown everything into his art instead of writing fantasy.

Some people are just born with bottomless well of genius and Tolkien was one of them

i never said tolkien wasn't a genius, overall he is a far better and more competent writer than GRRM, martin's characters are just my cup of tea over the bulk of Tolkien's characters

>lotr is so deep bro you just dont understand
ahahahhahahahaha

Never done that, I love lord of the rings, as tens of millions do. You're the one badmouthing a "childrens book" on Yea Forums

absolute loser

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>good triumphs evil with hardly any real death of the main characters or consequence

If you watched the Game of Thrones this past Sunday it was the same shit. Even worse because of how close several people came to death only their plot armor to kick in or the camera to cut away

forgot the file but just go look up tolkien's paintings yourself

they literally wear capes in lotr. and its shit

>WW1 means not-

War is hell, buddy. And Tolkien experienced it. Hell, he fought in one of the worst wars that mankind has known, and saw his own best friends die in the battlefield. He even got to make friends with privates under him, who were lower class. Tolkien may not be the best literary writer, but he can write action. He can write war

>being a linguist means no-

He came up with many fictional languages. Elvish, dwarvish and even orcish. Thats dedication. He crafted an entire world to explain how these languages would come about.

>being a prof m-
He was an authority on Beowulf.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beowulf:_The_Monsters_and_the_Critics

You can shit on Tolkien as a literary writer. But Tolkien was critical to the study of Beowulf.

awww are you gonna cwy because someone doesnt like your pwecious books

>War is hell
and that's all i need to read by you. you are a walking meme

In all honesty I think you are just here looking for attention.

Have sex

>being this upset that a song of diarrhea and masturbation will never be considered a great work of english literature

im here to laugh at faggots that overrate children books

>all of the most important heroes are literally wiped out
main character deaths was my complaint.I like gandalf the white and him being a demigod but you cannot argue that his death has less of an impact than it otherwise would have if his death was final.
you tolkien fans always start this shit anyways including this thread, im willing to bet OP is just a larper who has not read asoiaf or lotr.
who said everyone has to die? and as if asoiaf doesn't handle internal conflict and tempatation and is just edgy gore.

Like I said, looking for attention.

on Yea Forums of all places

have lunch

Look at this motherfucker, thinking he can reduce people to memes.

Name one great thing you did in the last year. Just one

t. capeshitting soiboi

asoiaf is shit, do you have any other non arguments?

When this thread is archived and everyone goes on to a different thread, he'll always have the satisfaction that he received (you)'s for his shitposting. It won't make up for a lack of parental involvement, but damn it it is something.

you are a meme, war is hell lmao holy fuck i can't tell if you're 13 or 60

The more she drank the more she shat

>I was only pretending to be mad

game of thrones post season 4 is fan fic.
Im sure certain things like Dany going mad and Jon being exiled will still be in the books, only executed and built up to, and it will actually make logistical sense.
Even if bran ends up ruling the kingdom in the books, it will likely mean Bloodraven used brans body to become king after literal decades of planning.

No, super gonorrhea kills.

thanks for having absolutely nothing to say sweetie, go recite one of tolkiens shitty poems now LMAO

This is the real problem. People give crazy allowance for anything “dark and gritty” and go crazy over the “anyone can die!” trope that will be stale in 5 years if it isn’t already.

What's GRRM's tax policy?

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So you literally did nothing. Good to know kiddo, have fun eating your hot pockets and drinking soya bean lattes.

that's fair, I just disagree with saying 'cup of tea' = far better
imo the big difference is that grrm first and foremost wants his characters to be REAL. they feel real things, the way they respond is real, all the emotions and choices should be such that any person could say that it follows how an actual person would act.
Tolkien, on the other hand, wants to explore ideas. his characters communicate very real truths, but he doesn't include every personal thought or detail like grrm does

it's like Arthur miller versus Shakespeare. Miller wanted to take deep looks at people, shakes wanted to talk about ideas

sad

Lol yea, “War is bad”, so original and insightful, thank you George, I never realized

its not surprising you love lotr, because this is how a geeky dipshit argues lmao fucking pathetic

and thats why the show is shit, whats your point bringing that up?

and book jaime, only character that comes close to these is boromir

its going to be amazing watching the obsessed tolkien fanatics have a meltdown when the amazon show is released and it's one big diverse piece of garbage with latina big booty elves

I could've sworn I clicked on Yea Forums, guess I stumbled onto Yea Forums by mistake

Germ drones off yourselves

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What was bran’s tax policy?

>season 8 was written by GrrM
He ‘advised’ for the season, and even then a screenplay is completely different to a novel. You wouldn’t call Tolkien a garbage writer because of the Hobbit trilogy.

As a whole I like both, where one is written as an old fantasy and the other a modern history of a medieval world.

This.

>these are the most famous lines
well they are definitely the most memed lines, i don't see your point.

Tolkien is better than George rr Martin.

THE MORE SHE DRANK

is there anyone that would disagree?

I mean, I've read both of them and prefer Stormlight

THE MORE SHE SHAT

Yeah. D&D absolutely ruined the North and cut out a lot of honorable characters that were sprinkled throughout the story. GRRM's asoif get's meme'd for being cynical just for the heck of it but the books provide a lot of context and the same message of optimism Tolkien has.

No

i do

you have to be one basic bitch to find this amazing. wow that is just pure cheese

Let's have 70% of the book just be the fellowship sitting on the side of the road talking like they're doing a shakespear performance. Pure Tolkien Kino

Energy, I would imagine. He likely also invests and gets government contracts for various techs.

I AM SILLY

Hey dol! merry dol! ring a dong dillo!
Ring a dong! hop along! Fal lal the willow!
Tom Bom, jolly Tom, Tom Bombadillo!

Did the big bad of LOTR even give a shit about taxes?

actually kind of

well Sauron and the orcs are clearly an allegory for collectivist societies

Alternate medieval europe is boring as shit thats why people want magic in the stories yet GRRM cant be assed to put in magic aside from dragons and the Others.

Got plot summed:
>House X declared war on House X which declared war on House X and also declared war on House X...

He didn't write season 8 you retard.

quaithe, qyburn, faceless men, mel, the horns, glass candles.
you obviously haven't read the books, there's just as much magic in them as lotr

You call that magic? Its not even that dynamic.

Saying that is irrelevant though because the moral of LOTR is that evil is self defeating, its not about what makes a good ruler.

you mean like harry potter? now THATS magic

No, the orcs are brown people, and Sauron literally controls an army of Asiatics that he uses to attack the Free (white) Men.

Tolkien fought white men in WW1, he wouldnt make his villains an allegory about race

>Tolkien
>allegory
UH OH

Yh but its magic system is really shit.

GRRM's books actually had more magic in them than the show did, and it was simultaneously more mysterious and more sensible than the show's.
It's just it's a setting where Westeros has both a religion and a scientific organisation that says there's no magic left in the world, so it's just in the background for the westerosi, most of whom came of age when the dragons were dead, let alone when there was any of the legendary magic of Westeros about.

Rings were commonly used in mythos

Most of them are reddit manchildren.

>”Nothing in my book is an allegory please stop trying to interpret it that way.” - Tolkien
CLEARLY THE ORCS WERE BLACK PEOPLE AND SARUMAN WAS A METAPHOR FOR INDUSTRIALISATION

This, he wrote literal children's stories.

The magic in ASOIAF is blood magic which is really interesting because theres something very dark about it. The First men would make blood sacrifices to the weirwood trees in the black pools, where ned also would clean the blood of his sword. Something really sinister is happening with Bran and im excited to see where it goes in the books.

the real funny thing is all the lore these jackasses jerk off isnt even in the hobbit or lotr. theres some stuff in the appendices but not a lot. all the 'deep' lore is in a book that wasn't released until after he died, he never released it because he was never satisfied with it.

He didnt hate allegory he hated heavy handed in your face pretentious writing, like pic related does visually

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7 random sentences out of five books taken out of context, wow you sure got him.

So what? I like pippi longstockings aswell, you are seemingly obsessed over people liking a childrens story.

have sex

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THE MORE SHE DRANK

sweetie you really need to grow up

>bloodraven use brans body
Except Bran is getting plugged into the trees the same way he is, and the way the other children of the forest in the cave are. The weirwood trees are assimilating their consciousness and warging abilities. GRRM has another short story where this white fungus called the “Maw” uses these creatures to gather food for it, then when it evolves to a certain point the maw itself becomes sentient. I think something similar is happening in asoiaf.

>fantasy/good guys always win/capeshit

Well almost, good guys winning really is fantasy, but I wouldn't call it capeshit.

either way i'm sure bran ending up in kingslanding is going to happen

I cling to childrens stories, you cling to your virginity.

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you clearly havent had sex

have sex

this man fucks

You two should have sex with eachother, then neither of you will be virgins

i bet tolkien jerked off in those trenches hahaha what a dirty old man

You know he was a South African, right?

include yourself and we have a virgin threesome

do you hate classical myth and sagas like beowulf or perseus because the good guys win? snubbing and subverting the heroe's journey "cause its not realistic" is how we get the last jedi.

I have a theory about how the book will handle it:

>three eyed crow isnt bloodraven
>three eyed crow wants bran to open his third eye because hes a spiritual vampire that “eats memories” similar to how ungoliant eats light in the silmarillion
>it will trick bran in to “letting him in” in a vision
>cave will lose its protection from the dead

Keep in mind, in real life crows use the eyes of weak or injured animals as an entry point to eating their innards. Thats why it visited bran when he fell, and jojen when he had a near death experience.

The boat line was clearly meant as comedy, even without the context around it. The absolute state of Yea Forums

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so like a child you just want one story retold over and over again

Literally a passage invented for the films. Kill yourself, you absolute moron.

I dont need to have my expecations subverted for me to be able to appreciate something.

>like a child
grow up man, jesus christ.

youre just a manchild, it's easy to spot them, they always have to mention star wars. you were probably absolutely fuming over last jedi like a little baby. you probably love marvel movies too lmao

>something a 5 year old came up
>a 5 yo could come up with a extremely long plot involving snow niggers trying to cross the border, incest, rape and politics

hope your life gets better mate

hope you grow up :)

I thought LOTR was a documentary on them greta van fleet faggots.

I want my story to have structure. jesus and hercules are completely different stories yet both follow the beats of the hero with a thousand faces. what brainlets don't get is that the heroe's journey is not a plot but a structure of beats. you could have your hero(s) traverse and wander the wilderness for a goal and face challenges that leads to them questioning their journey and if they are worthy of the task or if the task is worth the hardship ala here or you could have your hero wander the wilderness and contract dysentery and then painfully shit herself all night. sure dysentery is a more realistic option but I'd rather read about a sam and frodo confronting man vs self than literal diarrhea.

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or you could read about davos reminding stannis of his duty to the realm. but yea i see your point, children need to be taught friendship is very important!

>then use your knowledge of cartography and world-making to develop a whole world where these languages can come from.

The LoTR world is complete shit though.

>All the mountain ranges are paralell except one which meets all the other ones at a 90° angle
>Rivers flowing uphill
>Inland delta flowing into another river
>Huge mountain standing in the middle of a plain just because
>Random inland seas
>No civilizations along the biggest river in the world, instead it's in some shitty woods and mountains
>Lmao this continent just sunk into the ocean
>Everything about Arnor

>a story about throwing a ring into lava got the autist this riled up

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didn't his idiot son draw the middle earth map and tolkien was basically like 'yea good enough'

What's your tax policy user?

THE MORE SHE DRANK

That's not even in the books you piece of shit

Hey! Come merry dol! derry dol! My darling!

I've read both books and I can't imagine anyone who compares the two other than retards who think fantasy IS lotr
but that just goes to show that you can't win with the retards
either it's too much like it and a copy or it's just somewhere in a fantasy setting and it's a cheap derivative cause one came first

god that is really really gay

Suck on my cock you stupid nigger LMAOOO

/thread

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based

>lotrfags telling people to have sex

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honk honk?

is there a character in lotr more based than bobby b

>hero meets supernatural being after passing the threshold to establish the other world
tom is there to establish that the world is vastly different from the shire the hobbits spent their whole live in and is met very early on while the tone is still very light hearted. unlike describing diarrhea or ejaculation there is an actual point to it.

they were already being pursued by the nazgul by that point... and the barrow down section. then tom comes along and it becomes gay as fuck and breaks the pace of everything

I like both the setting of Game of thrones and I like LoTR

ye but which one do you like more

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Boromir, gandalf, sam, theoden

ye fair enough, they're all better.

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I forgot elrond as well

>The show cutting out things like the mountain tribes gladly going on a death march with Stannis just to save "Ned's girl" or Manderly's speech about getting revenge is further proof (as if it's needed) that D&D completely missed the point.

That's sugar coating it. It's actually proof that D&D are subversive Jews who aren't capable of even perceiving the importance or significance of stuff like this. They probably read those parts in the book and were like "oh vey...they're not even going to form a legally binding contract with Stannis where he agrees that he is merely leasing their services and equipment and as a result will not only owe compensation for the men, but also the equipment they bring with them as well?"

This. GRRM is not a nihilist. D&D are. GRRM is not saying honor is bad. He's saying it has consequences that are more than just good or just bad.

i'll give you boromir and theoden but that's because they are equal to, not more

>sam

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GRRM loves lotr.
Why does Yea Forums meme that he has some grudge toward it?

>[thousands of years of Ls in the first age and before]
>numenor corruption
>isildur taking the ring
>arnor civil war
>gondor kinstrife
>thorin greed and death
>boromir death
>saruman
>denethor attempted murder suicide
>even frodo takes the ring at the end, only by accident gollum destroys it
>the kings after aragorn become shittier and shittier

As an overall package probably Game of Thrones due to the fact that while it has fantasy elements it's lore is nowhere near as complex as the Lord of the Rings. Anytime I've tried to look into the deeper lore of LoTR I usually end up with a headache because there is just so much and none of it feels really connected to the story I know. With Game of Thrones it is very easy to see how one event connects to the next when looking into the past just as it is with real history.

based

TLJ was perfectly in line with the hero's journey

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LOTR is capeshit that CAME PRECISELY ON TIME!

ASOIAF will never be finished.

>he doesn't really like the title since their works are nothing alike

Indeed, Tolkien wrapped up his series properly, with apprendixes too. GRRM's series is incomplete, like actresses he had bedded.

> capeshit
> not modern myths and epic fantasy built around the linguistic creation of a scholar that brought European folk beliefs to the modern age
Go die faggot

Autistic people love this kind of internet shitflinging.

>Implying you have to sell shit in order to get rich

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>imposing modern sensiblities
you do realize these sensibilties have existed since the dawn of time, right?

Lord of the Rings is an early medieval/migration era Germanic legend except it's entirely fictional and Christianised in "philosophy". It's also written in the "correct" style "in-universe".
The intricacies of a very much modern bureacracy would be the single most inappropriate thing to include in the story.

Asoif is purportedly a realistic fantasy novel set in early modern england written by a man that doesn't understand feudalism and instead applies the lens of modern American meme politics to the characters viewpoints. It's capeshit with meaty cocks and severe diarrhea

stop posting and finish your fucking books you fat faggot

there wasn't a lot of pedophilia in LOTR so I'm not sure where you're getting that catholicism shit from

Look at this pathetic fuck! Look at him!
> StAnDaRd OpIniOn iS MeME
Nevermind the fact that "war is hell" is observable and an endlessly testified perspective from those subjected to it. But no no no, you are a literal autist on the internet. You are so defunct and cynical you can dismiss it with a smirk and furious typing.

>Lord of the Rings is literally fantasy/good guys always win/capeshit. It's CAPESHIT.

Swordshit. It's called swordshit.

Geez, all the reddit spacing in that image...

Get back to /r/atheism redditfag

most classical myths from Greece didn't have happy endings retard

actually I am Muslim, and Islam is the one true religion. You literally cannot prove me wrong.

Like u

> t. Too Fucking Stupid To Realize the Songs Were Half the Fucking Point

Fucking Keynesians

Damn imagine being this pleb

This

This is /tg/ levels of faggotry.

Lotr is literally anime tier
>look at these bad villain, so scary
>then arragron one-handedly beats them all

@115458213
>being this desperate for (You)s

>HE WAS A CATHOLIC!
>HE CONVERTED CS LEWIS!

Based Tolkien

>MUH TAX POLICY RULING IS HARD

meanwhile his story has a magic untouchable bank that just loaned money to everyone

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> world created by gods and goddesses as their playground and experiment
> world was meant to be perfect
> it was intentionally made symmetrical and evenly balanced
> dark lord fallen god dildo rebels in his teenage years and literally fucks it to mush
> WaaAaaAAaH iTs WEirD

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funny, he... never actually mentions tax policy.

the taxman is a tax FRAUD

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Jews exist in real life user

Tolkien didnt coopt english history and cram fantasy elements into it. He set out to create a new epic or mythical story in the vein of Beowulf or other indo-european stories. Most everything he wrote had some basis in the traditional stories and epics of medieval Europe. Just look to the traditional Uncle-Nephew relationship. If you need this explained to you, then you do not belong in this conversation.

I don't think he envies tolkien like so many others do, but it's hard to say they're nothing alike. He specifically modeled his limited use of magic in-universe around the way Tolkien handled it. Gandalf can cast spells and use magic but it's a rarity to see it happen.

>LOTR
>gods and goddesses

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Underrated post

WWII and Vietnam were different wars man.

>eagles save the main characters
FTFY. Yeah if Tolkien had left out those eagles it would've been a better piece of work.

I'm glad someone appreciated it like I'm finna do to those buckshot dubs

THE TAXES, user

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THEY'RE BEUTIFUL