Burning

What a sad state this board is in that someone has to explain this every time this movie comes up

Why didn't he just file a missing persons report? Shit film.

Korean police doesn't care about some whore going missing I assume

it was all a dream

>Korean movies
>kino
fuck off kim jong-un

i used to read maxim magazine

He wrote the ending after Hae Mi’s disappearance. He indulged his inner demons and killed Ben bc of his jealousy. It’s basically a reverse Great Gatsby. They mention tons of American literary figures but intentionally never mention Fitzgerald, so as not to make it too obvious. Also Hae Mi, sounds suspiciously close to hymen, which is appropriate considering Jong Su viewed her as somehow innocent and pristine, despite the massive box of condoms within arms reach under her bed. He did not want to see his rural, innocent world corrupted by a diabolical symbol of excess. His paranoia over a mere abandoned greenhouse (symbolic of Hae Mi herself as she relates to his memory of her) highlights the fact that it’s not about whether or not Ben did anything, but rather that he could do something that Jong Su was ultimately powerless to prevent or prove. Jong Su writes an ending that embraces his father’s stubborn, skeptical attitude towards unnatural, spoiled, and outsider corruption of otherwise humble, natural, and deeply personal territory.

>the absolute state of Yea Forums

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>You dislike Korean movies you're a zoomer
come on, clown. NAME JUST ONE FUCKING "GOOD" Korean movie
I dare you
>m-muh memories of a murder
>EPIC ENDING :O
>M-muh OldBoy
>Le epic fight scene just like matrix

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Jesus fucking christ user. Who hurt you? You named 2 Kino Korean movies already here have another one.

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>considered by most critic polls the best film of the year
>best rated film of 2018 Cannes
>overshadowed in Murrica by a shitty spic poverty porn
>gets nothings

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Same shit in the Sopranos threads, doesn't fucking matter if he died

Kino
Hollywood and Bollywood has nothing on Chinkwood

True

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Torch memories and Hae Mi up with my kerosene

I can't wait to see this movie this weekend at the Ahrya Theatre (LA). I take peeks at whats coming out at my local theatre (Laemle Royal), and it's pure trash; most of the American films are absolutely trash and pertain to faggots. Most of the foreign are great though, but especially the Asian ones.

You should also check out the San Diego Asian Film Festival, but it overlaps with AFI Fest

Oh damn it's playing there? Are they doing 3D? I might go

They don't have a 3D theatre there. It's only one theatre screen there to be honest lol

they played it both in 2D and 3D at my local theater lol.

I'd go but I hate driving towards LA if I can avoid it

I honestly can't imagine why he would agree to meet up if he had actually killed her. If they wanted to be actually ambiguous they shouldn't have done that.

I'm liking the discussion here. Getting my brain all big.

Here are some questions I habe though, mainly rehtorical I guess.

>who was calling the main character almost every night? It added tension sure, but I cant figure out who
>why the descrepency in stories about the well? False memory by Hae-mi?
>what did the "light house" represent? As another user pointed out, this is like Gatsby, where the light represented yearning. What about the light house where Hae mi would see the sunset?
>Why did Ben not talk to the main character at the quarry/pond? Surely he knew he was followed.

Bros why did he jerk it to that tower?

I legit thought Ben would live in that tower and watch him jerk it and stuff through a telescope.

The girl or one of those spammer callers, to which he thought it was the girl. I think it was the girl, but the Ben was doing it to mess with him, while he had the girl pretty messed up already.
In order to reinforce the theme of memories and acting.
Not sure
I want to believe he wanted to show him where he dumped the body at.

>I want to believe he wanted to show him where he dumped the body at.

Oh fuck.

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Ben was totally fucking with him for his thrill.
I'm a bit foggy now, but I think the bracelet in the restroom dwarf and the cat is what got to him the most, especially when Ben said he found it on the street or something.

Here's my last penny to keep this thread alive

>"Ben is actually the good guy."

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Hae Mi was the cat, and thus Jong Su’s soul, ie Anima, his feminine side which is primordial and innate, as well as in danger of being corrupted by excess. Hae Mi visited Africa for example, nature and history. She gives Jong Su a watch in the beginning of the film, symbolic of her importance in Jong Su’s formative components. Also symbolic of the past is water and earth, (whereas the future is air and fire). The cat is named “Boil” which is what happens when the water (past) meets the future (fire), and his father represents the earth, imprisoned and forgotten, like the abandoned greenhouses littering the countryside. Jong Su fights for recuperation of his soul and familiar tradition/territory. It’s no coincidence that his father’s land is at the border between North Korea and South as these are two extreme opposites, and this synthesis of opposites creation and regeneration (water and earth) with destruction and desolation (air and fire) are featured on the very symbolic flag of Korea. Ben represents the excess of capitalism, and Jong Su ultimately makes the choice for communism. Tfw Burning is actually a pro-Nork, Marxist film.

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That's a very interesting way to see the story. Incredible. I really hope that we're not delving into levels of Room 237 of conspiracy though.

As far as I can tell Ben never did anything wrong.

He murdered her, literal brainlet who has no idea how to read symbolism because the education system is a complete joke

>marathoned
>one movie
illiterate baboon

Shitty gimmick photography does not make a good movie.

Hae-Mi was the perfect person to fall for Ben
She was a lost soul, searching for meaning in any place she could, Africa, the Main guy, and finally Ben
She fell for Ben's spell, and he "burned" her. I agree with this, the movie is really more about her desperation and we just see it through the eyes of the main character

>>who was calling the main character almost every night? It added tension sure, but I cant figure out who
??? It was his mother. The phone call thing gets concluded when she starts talking.

I think a theme of the movie is the irreversibility of actions you take/things that you say.

Lee is at kind of a crossroads in life and isn't really sure what to do, what actions to take, etc, so he kind of gets mired in indecision until Hae-mi comes along to get him to do pretty much anything. This is in contrast to Ben, who is presumably some kind of trust fund kid who has no real ties to anything (including his friends) and just tries doing anything to see if it'll make him feel anything. I think that his choice of "hobby" (burning the greenhouses) supports this. It's something permanent, irreversible, that he nor anybody else can ever undo, and so he's left his mark on the world. Hae-mi is trying everything to get that feeling, including accruing tons of credit card debt, traveling around the world, doing random odd jobs, etc. Finally, Lee doesn't do anything that could be seen as consequential until he calls Hae-mi a whore for undressing in front of them, something he only did because he felt threatened by Ben and thought that Hae-mi was pulling away from him in favor of Ben.

I think that that moment between Lee and Hae-mi is the crux of the movie. For Hae-mi, the thing that defines her view of Lee and their relationship (and his status of basically a hero in her mind) is that he rescued her from a well when she was a child. But now Lee has said something permanent and irreversible that changes the way she sees herself and Lee, because if the person you admire most calls you a whore, you're not going to take it well.

When Lee kills Ben at the end, he's trying to go back to before Ben even existed at all in their lives, as if getting rid of Ben would bring Hae-mi back to him. It's an act of desperation to reverse what he said and return their relationship to what it was before, but once you say or do something, you can never undo it.

damn you went full cringeo mode

Hallo newfriend. Enjoy your stay!

>I think that his choice of "hobby" (burning the greenhouses) supports this.
He doesn't burn greenhouses though
It's an allegory to what he does to women

nice SPOILER, you asshole

Kek

Interesting. But why the shots of the kid in front of a burning greenhouse? Merely a metaphor for him murdering her without showing it?

Wow there are actually some good posts/discussion in this thread, who would have thought?

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>interesting
Jesus Christ user. You watched the entire movie without getting the greenhouse = murdering/burning women thing!? What was your reaction when Ben said Hai Me went up in smoke and disappeared? It was a central part of the movie lmao

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Yeah that's what I thought
Going back to the scene where Ben tells Lee about burning the greenhouses it really feels like he's toying with him, like he knows what it means and it gives him pleasure that Lee doesn't

It seems further cemented when Ben tells him that he did in fact burn a greenhouse very near him, but when something is so close it's easy to miss
Meaning he did whatever he did to Hae-Mi right under the nose of Lee. Also this scene takes place just after Hae-Mi disappears

I don’t think it’s going to far at all. Ben is the only person with an American name. They even show a scene of Trump on TV. It’s seemingly an anti-American film, despite the protagonists professed affinity for Faulkner, a writer known for making his homeland central to his writing. Ben represents America. Hae Mi and her cat represent the soul of Korea, and Jong Su (name literally means beautiful ancestry) himself. His mother is perverted by capitalist excess (needs money, doesn’t really care about her son), while his father represents tradition, patriotism (he was a soldier), and territoriality. Hae Mi claims she was trapped in a dry well (water again) and Jong Su rescued her. He called her ugly in the past, and now can’t stop fapping in her (probably his) apartment, overlooking the geography of the city. The irony is that when Jong Su tries to control Hae Mi who is wild and natural, she flees. Ultimately, by killing and burning Ben, Jong Su has mirrored his shadow, i.e. Ben. And thus the Jungian/Alchemical synthesis of opposites (cornerstone of the Korean flag) is complete, and peace is attained.

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Ben doesn't represent America just western capitalism and it's quirks and features in general. America is just capitalisms poster child. Theres this scene where Bens friends talk about money and how the Chinese don't care about it and perceive it as something dirty and bad where as people in Korea and the US treat it carefully cause they love it so much.

Burning threads are usually pretty decent actually I've noticed, as long as no fags come in to talk about pretentiousness and call it dumb gook shit

The content reflects the discussion. Nobody is going to discuss trashy dragknshit or capeshit like this because there isnt anything to discuss

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>tfw still listen to the OST regularly even though it's just one theme repeating over and over
the tension of the music makes the movie desu.

Fine. But what’s the significance of Trump on TV? Or that you can hear the Nork propaganda so clearly only bc of the proximity to the border between North and South, a place Jong Su clearly holds dear?

how fucking retarded can you be?

gee, how can I contend with such a strong argument?

this is why /pol/ will never understand kino. fucking yikes.

>arguing with a wall
no thanks

and no that's not a Trump reference, autist.

americans are subconsciously racist against asians, they dont even mean to be, they just are.

You’re woefully retarded if you don’t see validity in those points/observations.

Except it literally is a Trump reference. Trump is on the screen.

everything is political it's the current year!

bait

What does this have to do with /pol/? These are just observations. I actually loved the film very much. I loathe communism, but I love art and respect other points of view, particularly when posed so masterfully.

Is it your contention that this film is apolitical? Really? Are you fucking serious? I’m willing to bet you drool and regularly masturbate to doodles.

Seoul is really really close to NK. North Korea is therefore always close to the south and it's 'heart'. Reunification is a central idea in South and North Korea. It's something the whole peninsula wants. Since they can't due to the politic autism and tention there is always this melancholy associated with it.
>why is Trump on TV
Zeitgeist. Could mean a thousand different things. I could claim the scene how American news/western ideas and culture even reach some rural farmers and poison Koreans.

I'm pretty sure after thinking very much about the film that Steven Yeun's character essentially helps girls like Shin Haemi, girls who are at the short end of the stick and want to 're-invent' themselves by leaving everything in their life behind and becoming someone completely different. One of these methods is basically learning how to convincingly lie to their friends about past experiences, or about completely new traits about themselves. Hence the whole 'pantomime' technique. I feel like the whole 'trip to Africa' was a lie and Shin Haemi was consulting Ben on how to detach herself from her old life and leave everything behind. One of her motivations clearly being to become an actress. If she can convince her only friend, if she is willing to take drastic measures, then she has what it takes.

She's obviously able to convincingly conjure up stories (she already aspired to become an actress beforehand and could lie to her parents in the past), and I feel like Ben convinced her to lie to the one person she truly trusted, Jongsu. In the scene involving her dancing topless at dusk, I think its supposed to portray her feelings of re-inventing herself as someone new, then when her high slowly fades away she realizes how much she has lost her old self. This is further emphasized when Jongsu confronts her about becoming a whore. I felt it was somewhat odd at first that she would lie to the one person she trusted, but I believe Ben convinced her to do so.

I think when Ben is seen with a different girl after she disappears, is when he feels Haemi is ready to be on her own, and he takes on his next disciple. The whole statement on how 'you don't believe you have an orange in your hand, you 'forget' it's not there in the first place' really comes into play here. That's why he keeps her watch and her cat. That's why he lies to Jongsu's face and convinces Haemi to do so as well.

While the other user answered your question, it's still technically ambiguous since we never see him kill her, she may have simply disappeared. either way, your original point still stands, and I really like your interpretation of the film.

Nah that ain't it chief.

Ben probably has some sort of superiority complex, and, as he puts it simply, 'plays' with other people. He loves seeing others go through different emotions, ones he can't go through himself (he states he can't cry), he's fascinated with manipulating others into transforming into completely different people, and seeing them lie to themselves, and others, thus 'playing' with their emotions. Definitely a hobby that came as a by-product of growing up rich and not learning about dealing with consequences of one's own actions. Which is why he seems genuinely surprised when Jongsu stabs him and kills him in the end, since he thought it was all a game and he himself would never be on the receiving end. I personally think Ben had so much money to himself he never had to work, and boredom drove him to manipulating others as a sense of satisfaction, with the objective of allowing his victims to transform themselves being some sort of 'moral' justification for his actions.

There is no profound meaning to the light in the apartment. He was just there jacking off reliving the moment he was having sex with haemi because he's a loser.

A lot of what we see of Ben is through Jong-su's tainted perception (he is jealous of Ben's wealth and possibly Hae-mi's attention) which makes innocuous things like the yawning seem more insidious than they could actually be,

a) Ben could literally be burning women. Cremation and makeup are spelled the same in Korean. The bracelets and watches he keeps could very well be mementos or trophies from his victims. He kills women who he knows no one will look for because they are in such a ditch in their lives.

b) He traffics them (specifically, he sells them as sex slaves in Africa). He promises women who come from humble and unfulfilling lives a life of luxury and adventure without revealing what that entails. We know he has traveled to Africa more than once (note all the African art and souvenirs in his apartment) and his door man mentions to Ben that he is back from home (which we find out later is a lie since his family clearly lives in Korea). While he could very easily come from money, which I think plays into the commentaries on class and what people inherit, this could explain his income. This makes me consider that him showing off the women to that specific circle of friends is not just him parading around these "low class" people for their amusement but also a way of "showing off the wares" so to speak, specially if they are also involved in that as well.

c) His way of "burning abandoned greenhouses" is taking these women from sad sack lives and giving them new lives. This is the one I think there is the least evidence for but again works if you consider that our perception of Ben is through Jong-su's lens who is essentially a jealous country bumpkin who doesn't understand metaphor, takes everything literally (checking the sames greenhouses for a month+).

why not? it's an absolutely sound interpretation.

I think that if the ending where Jong-su kills Ben is real and not imagined (which is a whole other tangent), it plays into Ben having no idea what happened to Hae-mi. For one, if he did kill her, why would he be surprised Hae-mi isn't there and arrive without protection into something he would know absolutely know is a trap?

Other things.

-Another proof on Jong-su's mental health and his patheticness is his masturbation on haemi's room because he keeps trying to relieve that moment where he was having sex with haemi.

-Haemi's is supposedly a poor (maxed out credit cards) so it's possible she just started a new life with the help of Ben

Castaway on the Moon

>who doesn't understand metaphor, takes everything literally (checking the sames greenhouses for a month+).

He's also poorly educated like many people because despite taking creative writing in college he can't intellectually discuss why he likes Faulkner (and yeah he doesn't know what the fuck a metaphor is).

All of asian cinema is fucking trash tier disgusting filth. I cant stand to watch one second of any of it.

alright pleb, go back to eating your capeshit

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Jong Su jacks it in HaeMi’s apartment bc HaeMi is symbolic of his soul. His Anima/Feminine side. He is trying to commune with his soul, which is being threatened by envy of harmful capitalist materialism. From Jong Su’s perspective, it’s not enough that this piece of shit, Ben, has everything, but he has to come into his territory, try to corrupt his soul, and burn down what poor farmers have? Ben more than anything represents the devil to Jong Su, whether the former killed Hae Mi or not, he is the devil.

you should download some more iq

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This is honestly a great thread, one of the only true discussions of a film I can remember in a long time.

So what did the phone calls represent or mean?

>So what did the phone calls represent or mean?
it was his mother calling him thats for sure. What it means and what it represents is for the autists to figure out. i dont know what the significance is for the entire mother arc. He said his father made him burn his mothers clothes after she abandoned them. Idk what that means either in this korean context.

Just watch Heartless 2008 instead of this drivel

the coldest story ever told?

When I search that all I get is the kanye song or a 2009 british horror film

Breathless, my bad. You'll definitely cry during it and laugh too because the protagonist says fuck every 10 seconds.

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He meant Breathless (2008)

>A bitter loan shark strikes a friendship with a troubled schoolgirl as he faces his own troubled past with his abusive father.

sounds pretty good, thanks

Is this a movie about jogging?

HOW COULD U BE SO HEARTLESS

not really but also yes kinda and maybe it could be

You’re thinking of Running. This is Burning. It’s about gonorrhea

I don't watch art shit the only art movie I enjoyed was The Fountain

Is his name Jung Gook?

I really connected with Ben. How can I emulate his style and demeanour?
Not trying to be edgy here, I think I could really benefit from taking on his mindset in the face of high stakes and emotional upsetting situations.

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Just learn to be detached from the outcome bro, distill your passion down to just the dispassionate requirement of doing what needs to be done, and that's it. Always consciously lower the importance of whatever you're going to do, don't react unconsciously to developments around you. Maintain your sense of self awareness at all times. That's all, no need to be aspie like Ben.

It's not even art shit retard. It's just a normal movie.

>Lee Chang-Dong
/int/ was right all along

This may be true for the movie, but the short story didn't feel like a thriller at all. The movie does way more to push the killing narrative.
It's normal for a Murakami heroine to disappear at the end. It's actually surprising when it doesn't happen.

Cringe

The Wailing

I think the meaning of the movie is that chinamin are fucked in the head.

Why is every discussion about this film filled with retards who think Ben didn't kill Hae-Mi?
It's a pretty simple critique of Korean society and capitalism it's not that hard to understand.

Capitalism rocks, plus in the modern world you can't get exploited you can just blast off on Twitter and fuck the company up if they pull that shit.

He did not you dumb nigger

Hollywood is afraid of Korean kino

He didnt, you brainlet.

Best rated film of 2019 Cannes is also Korean film