Northern city

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>no winter town
>no double wall
>no moat
>no broken tower
>not even an encampment for Dany's army
>whole thing looks like it could hold about 100 people
D&D are fucking hacks

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didn't even realize the tree was inside the castle walls

>8000 unsullied
>40000 dothraki
>wildlings
>dothraki women and children
>northern armies

where are they?

It's not a city. There's only like 4 cities mentioned in Westeros.

Imagine being this fucking stupid

dying out on the open field, but also still alive in the following episodes with enough numbers to fill a giant courtyard in king's landing

pretty retarded really with the scale of the godswood in the show. Either you have to commit pointless manpower manning the wall or when it does fall it's a liability for the castle proper

Whada you meen?
Wntrtime z oll'bout Seinta Claws en prezeints, not freezing temrchures like 14/88°F

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i meant to say capital

>they can always send someone up there to clear it off
what was their stance on child labor? This sounds very reminiscent of chimney sweeps

maybe thats why they were all outside instead of inside

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1kg of snow would weigh way less than you think. The water molecules are really far apart

google “Minnesota football stadium roof collapse”

Even fucking avalanches can kill you. Snow can literally kill you. You know nothing

Fuck my brain hurts after reading this

Jesus Christ

also where do all the people live? isnt this meant to be some great city? the seat of power in the north?

1kg is 1kg you fucking tard

Why did you put roofs in quotes?

How'd that bait taste, little fish?

that's a horribly designed castle. building a wall around the tree is also a liability and huge waste of resources

Uhh
What do they eat?

It's a sacred, magical tree of which there aren't many left, dummy. You could argue that anything religious is a waste of resources. The Sistine Chapel is a waste of resources. The Parthenon is a waste of resources. It's a non-argument. You're so fucking dumb and gay, never post here again.

>implying they don't have a dragon on call to melt the snow with his fire breath
think for once OP

>I was only pretending to be retarded lol

niggerfaggot

They have peasants for that shit

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based

Winter town is just located farther from the castle walls. Pretty sure that's the area that Dany's army walks through in the first episode of this season... the place where Arya sees Jon and the Hound from the crowd.

In the first book it says that Winterfell has hot spring water piped through the walls to melt the snow and keep it livable in the winter.

there's better FAR cheaper ways to protect some dumb fucking tree

Also peasants

Meanwhile... The scaling fucking sucks in this show

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>Medieval times
>Please pipes

Where?

What you are trying to say is that their differing densities means that snow will exert less force per unit area that steel would.

>Hurr, GURM is responsible for the show's castle designs! BRAVO GURM! Me sarcastic and clever!

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I bet there are. Do you think they thought of them when they came upon the tree and decided to build a settlement around it 8000 years before the events in GOT? No. And the argument is still invalid. It's a religious thing. It's called the GODSWOOD. It's not subject to reason. Fuck off idiot.

Gay

I'd totally love to life in the book version of Wintefell. And don't forget the greenhouses and hot water that runs through the walls.

They should have put the wall here. They'd have less wall to defend and more space inside the castle.

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Bro you ever lifted a bucket of water?

Damn whose job is it to keep those paths salted.

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Yeah, but 1 kg is 1 kg, he didn't specify the amount of snow, he specified the weight.

Where in the fuck are the

M A C H I C O L A T I O N S

8000 years ago the trees were everywhere so it wasn't even an issue you thick fucking faggot

Fuck off, Shad.

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>Snow is soft bro it weighs pretty much nothing.
Right, right. That's why half the country has snow loading ordinances on any thing you build.

ancient.eu/Roman_Baths/
>Water was heated in large lead boilers fitted over the furnaces. The water could be added (via lead pipes) to the heated pools by using a bronze half-cylinder (testudo) connected to the boilers. Once released into the pool the hot water circulated by convection.

Lead pipes for heated water were a thing since ancient Rome. And Winterfell would not even need the advanced boiler system since it was situated over natural hot springs.

Winterfell was founded by Bran the Builder. Bran the Builder was one of the First Men. It was the First Men who started chopping down all the trees because they feared the COTF could watch and listen through them. The First Men and the COTF eventually called a truce and the COTF all went to live deep in the forests. The First Men then took up the religion of the Old Gods they started building godswoods and planted a weirwood in the centre called the heart tree. That's why they are walled.

Its Castle and not a City or Village. But even as a Castle its a fucking joke.
>small as shit, i have a bigger castle in my neighbour city
>exists for 8000 years but no moat
>walls are just like 5meters high

because its rooves

why would you have a moat in the north it would just be frozen

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Where's the giant open plain for Dany's army to stand on?
God damn, this show was a mess.

Not there yet because this shot was from before they arrived.

doesn't have to be filled with water. can just use it as a spike pit

it would just fill with snow

In the books, there are 3 other seasons other than winter where a moat would function perfectly well. It's not as if a moat is going to be useless in winter either. Plus Winterfell in the books is built over natural hot springs, which means they have hot water pumping through the walls keeping it warm on the inside, sustaining a greenhouse even during winter, and this may ensure the moat doesn't freeze over either

in the winter sure but it's not always winter

From the ASOIAF wiki, covering how it's described in the books:
>Winterfell is a huge castle complex spanning several acres, defended by two massive walls of grey granite[19]. The outer wall is eighty feet high, while the inner is one hundred feet high, with a wide moat between them. There are guard turrets on the outer wall and more than thirty watch turrets on the crenelated inner walls.

The great main gates[20] have a gatehouse made of two huge crenelated bulwarks which flank the arched gate[6] and a drawbridge that opens into the market square of the winter town.[21][22]

There is a narrow tunnel inside of the inner wall stretching halfway around the castle, allowing travel from the south gate all the way to the north gate without interruption.[13]

The Hunter's Gate is a gate located close to the kennels and the kitchens. It opens directly onto open fields and the wolfswood, so people can come and go without having to cross through the winter town. It is favored by hunting parties.[4]
The East Gate[17] or east gate[23] leads to the kingsroad.[17] The Kingsroad Gate[20] may be another name for the same gate.
The Battlements Gate is a small arched postern in the inner wall. It crosses the moat between the walls but does not have a passageway through the outer wall.[20]

Winterfell looks really comfy honestly.

lmao better fight the white walkers outside the castle xD

It wouldn't snow enough to fill it up except in winter, and ain't nobody gonna lay siege to winterfell in the fucking winter.

stannis did

In the books he never made it to Winterfell.

Am I the only one who is disappointed in how smol it is? Looks like 50 people live there. Did it burn down and was only partially rebuilt?

Dang I always forget how fuck-huge Martin made the seats of the great houses. Every single one of those castles seems to outdo the last one. Winterfell seems ridiculously big and over the top at first, then you read about the Eyrie, then you read about Casterly Rock, and then finally motherfucking Storm's End.

Makes me want to see Highgarden.

in the books hes still alive. either way the books will never be finished so the show is canon now

>either way the books will never be finished so the show is canon now
The show stopped following the books faithfully by season 3, I don't consider anything after season 2 to be relevant.

more importantly
>city
>is literally just a castle
>no fucking village/city surrounding it.
>just a few houses inside the walls.

it's a fucking compound or a fort or a castle, not a city.
look at some actual medieval cities.

it's not even located anywhere that a city would actually be built, like a port or whatever..

the Karstarks have a better location for "capital of the north" than winterfell because they have actual access to economic activity.

forget the architecture the fucking geography is shit

why not save in wall length and gain increase area? are they anticipating canons and building walls at an angle to mitigate bombardment?

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>Makes me want to see Highgarden.

Here you go user

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its right in the middle of the north (easier to govern as the north is by far the largest of the seven kingdoms) and the kingsroad passes directly through it (commerce)

And a more " conservative " image

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those are pretty pictures but sadly the show is canon now, sorry bookfags

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jesus, how the fuck is this stronghold defensible? literally no natural barriers. they should have retreated to the vale.

the inhospitable conditions is their natural barrier, it is not a new concept

is the kingsroad paved? is it regularly re-paved? (otherwise it's going to sink in the mud and become useless for cart traffic whenever the spring rains come)

having access to major rivers/canals/the sea is far more suitable for traffic than roads that are going to need constant repair and maintence due to more extreme variation in temperature?

and just because something is in the center of a continent doesn't mean it's an ideal capital or "at the center of transportation" logistics wise.

Ur mom's fat ass LMAO

You think you're smart but you're actually retarded. If anything having less straight walls like that would make it better to defiend.

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holy fuck the scale of that. I didn't even notice that boat at first. I love massive shit like this

the kingsroad is the main arterial north-south route of westeros

What a joke, the Tarlys Horn Hill is bigger

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Same here, i would die to see something like that on screen.
Same with the Citadel of the Mass Effect Series but that is another story...

If a rooster sat at the top of a pointed roof and laid an egg, which side would the egg roll off of?

Do these twats even have gunpowder?

is it paved though?
how good of a road is it? how much cargo passes down it versus river or sea transport?

These Fortresses were especially build against canons

>what are the circular things anyway?
Filler. Nobody would build like that, it's a complete waste of space. Unless they're grain silos, but then they should have slanted rooves.

did GRRM design that CGI model?
also its not a city just a fortress

>retards actually falling for this bait
You're not smart.

Even without gunpowder, that type of fortress is the most easily defendable.

Call Drogan's snow melting business. 555-BURN

Yes and they’re still suspect to structural integrity and good design

Were you? Because it genuinely looks like you believed that wasn't bait.

We're still waiting on his tax policy user. First things first.

i count 14 houses

what the fuck ?? reminds me of whiterun

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Winterfell was built under a system of hot springs and the hot spring water is integrated through a system of naturally propelled pumps in the masonry that sends the hot water through the structures that causes the snow to melt.

Lore-fag

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It'd be a lot of work to depict cities that could actually support the economies they want to depict.

If you say so, medieval siege expert

why are americans so fucking stupid
why not just get some heaters or a flamethower to melt it, snow is just fucking water hahahahaha

Stupid. It would freeze.

Overlapping field of fire, reduced profile, and conflicting angles of approach don't stop being good things just because you use arrows and bolts instead of bullets.

Try to be a bit more subtle with your shitty bait, kid. Here, check this guy out

who knows? it doesnt matter anyway, winterfell is the seat of power, not commerce. it doesnt even technically have to be the largest or wealthiest northern city. there are plenty of world capitals that arent particularly well situated for commerce and were instead built where they are for a specific reason. for example canberra was chosen as the capital of australia because it is more or less equidistant from sydney and melbourne, australia's two largest and wealthiest cities.

also the seven kingdoms have only been united for a few centuries. the north was its own kingdom for millennia. intra-kingdom commerce would have been much more common than inter-kingdom commerce. why have the capital on one side of the massive continent rather than directly in the middle? much faster to go overland than to sail all the way around westeros to the other side of the north

>You think you're smart but you're actually retarded. If anything having less straight walls like that would make it better to defiend.

16-17th century artillery fortifications are a totally different animal, dealing with totally different technology.

It becomes way more clear how Theon took WF with like 30 guys from this angle.

Fuckin hippy treehugger fgt

It's a hot spring. The whole point is that it never freezes. Stinks like sulfur though.

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Damn Good point

>all american structures
Learn to build naabs.

Whiter Harbor is the economic hub of the North.

>canberra
now thats a kino city

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valyrian snow or normal?

Only since the Manderlys moved up North, which wasn't for thousands of years after Bran the Builder constructed Winterfell. Presumably there was some kind of port where White Harbor is now.

Dang what a neatly laid out town.

jesus christ
>Reach has a booming population due to fertile lands and great weather
>Known for being able to supply grain, crops and meat constantly due to the great soil and weather
>Not a single patch of farmland spotted in a 10 mile radius around their "fortress"
>Tiny little mountain on a hill for the most powerful family in the most populous region
Season 5+ apart from Hardhome was all a mistake. Thank god they didn't try to show Storm's End iirc

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Same with Ottawa, Canada. Made capital for no other reason than being situated on the border between French and English Canada. Toronto or Montreal are both more economically viable, particularly Montreal thanks to it's location on the Saint Lawrence.

Damn good point

Is the Reach the most /comfy/ region in asoiaf?

looks like driving would be a nightmare

Who careeeeeees

Rooves Bolton

>Even without gunpowder, that type of fortress is the most easily defendable.

No they aren't. Artillery fortifications are designed to have overlapping fields of fire using cannons. Those sketches don't give a sense of scale. Artillery fortifications need their own artillery to be effective.

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how so

Isn't it meant to be an actual town with peasants and markets and so on? There's like ten buildings outside the inner keep on that thing and nothing outside the walls, either.

In medieval times (which fantasy apes) keep towns would have sprung up in the surrounding area. Do the peasants walk ten miles over a featureless barren plain to sleep under lean-tos? Where are the shops, the crofts, the places curing sausages and brewing the beer which is copiously consumed? Even that night watch headquarters or whatever had a keep town, where that whore gillie was picked up.

To be fair they don't use cannons in GoT but the design of King's Landing is still ass even from a pre-firearm perspective.

Tommen also fell out a window

have to go in a big circle to get anywhere

>even that night watch headquarters or whatever had a keep town
yeah, moletown and its half a league (about 1.5 miles) south of castle black. winter town is outside of winterfell, idk how far but probably within a 1 or 2 mile radius

It's inefficient to drive circling around rather than going straight to your destination. Plus it would be annoying as fuck to have to slightly turn for your entire drive.

cope

Canberra is famous for its roundabouts which greatly reduce congestion. If it were laid out in a traditional grid system like a lot of other major cities you would be stopped for 2 minutes at a red light every other block or every single block during peak hours. The only nightmare about driving in Canberra is the shitty drivers.

t. Southron cunt

>its inefficient to drive circling around rather than going straight
thats objectively wrong and would only be the case if traffic lights didnt exist. that loop is big enough that you wouldnt notice you are even turning.

taxes

>no giant curtain wall facing the sea
that ain't storm's end

In the zoomy intro part and aerial depictions you don't even see a town or any signs of activity other than the road, no hedges, animals grazing, crops, nothing. Yet inside we're meant to believe that it's always a bustling hive of activity, with constant feasts and entertainments which would of course require a large amounts of goods to sustain even for a single day. Also where are the muckers? A castle town would generate tons and tons of garbage and filth and slime and muck but you never see peasants hauling away the piss buckets. Where's the evidence that the town even has an economy?

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you dont see moletown during the intro either

Dude just turn your brain off.

kek

*sips* ah now that's a road network

remember americans think its normal to sit in traffic for two hours before and after work every day

Top tier bait

Wouldn't people in the North live mainly in homes made of straw bales and mud? Its a very good insulator against the cold. Stone's R-index is absolutely terrible.

And you don't ever see local peasants from Moletown delivering the supplies that they'd need to exist up at the Wall fort there either.

Westeros was as much a Potemkin Village as Skyrim was, with a bunch of people going through the motions but nothing really happening.

The only time you ever saw a cart of goods was if it was necessary for somebody to sneak into or away from somewhere, or for somebody to fall or jump into one to break their fall.

nice kabballahistic tree of life there australia

Not much detail is ever really given about how smallfolk live in Westeros. The most we get is when Arya is on the streets of Kings Landing for a bit and then having to hoof it across the Riverlands, but we never get more than a brief snippet and it's mostly out of the ordinary situations.

>rooster
>laid an egg

If by "Americans" you mean "Californians in LA and SF" then yes. My commute is 20 minutes on average.

I am a non autistic book fan and i would say yes.
Typical mild western european climate and enough food to not starve.

Wood and cobbed homes, user. Peasant shacks and cabins. They could be quite, quite comfy.

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This here, Castle Altena, is just 20 minutes away from my home

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he made all the cities in minecraft and then they based the show on that

While this was my view for over 15 years. Just from the other side of course.

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ladies and gentlemen.... we gottem

Yet you will get nothing new except for the show.

Funny how Beth based Skyrim's aesthetic out of some assets they made for a GoT game that never fell through.

WHERE ARE THE FUCKING FARMS DABID

Lmao at those retards taking this bait seriously

Nobody eats user, gosh they have dragons and zombies and magic why do they need food

one of those is in yurop retards

quality bate

literally nobody cares

Was making a matte painting for the bigger regions really asking too much?

looks more like where Brienne kills the brave companions

Snow is lighter dumbass

>my local, insignificant castle is bigger than Winterfell or Highgarden

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Light as a cloud babbbyyy

>thatsthejoke.mp3

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my local castle from 1400s is small as fuck, but on fuckhuge and steep hill

Thats a tavern, homes of peasants wouldnt have such high ceilings.

>1400s
What a pleb, mine was build by the romans in about 200 AD

I work on a site with buildings that have flat roofs in a cold snowy place.

WE

too bad you're the embarrassments that remain from those times.

looks like a skyrim city

They took the top off the hills and used the earth to fill up the bay to make room for an expansion to the city.
The reason the mercenaries were so easily killed is that Cersei blew all her money on infrastructure projects.

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>t. jealous americans
How does it feel to live in an area without history?

I know Americans are lazy, but you'd think they would understand what a shovel is.

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fucking israelite kike fuck off

literal 3/10 b8 and look at all the (You)s it got you. what a shitty board this is.

Even more boring than Perth - and porn is outlawed in there in wowser-land.

Not sure if bait or just dumb.

Either way thanks for the lulz

Here's your (you)

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Would you rather have 1kg of steel thrown at your face or 1kg of snow

A 5 lb brick to the face would do damage but what would a 5 lb pillow to the face do

>what is density