Why would anyone ever leave a holodeck?

You can just buy a holosuite.

Has there ever been a time they had to close a holodeck for clean up? Would Starfleet fire you if you got rekt on ferengi moonshine and trashed a holodeck or would they send you to talk to a sexy space therapist?

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>Computer, download all known maps and stories from the song of ice ans fire fantasy series, written by GRRM ca early twenty first century.
>Computer, answer query based on the downloaded information.
>what is west of Westeros?
>Safety protocols off

>Computer
>Generate an exact replica of Christina Hendricks but make her 10x her natural size
>disable safety protocols

eventually you won't even need a holodeck.
you can plug your brain directly into a computer and get the same thing.

Awareness of living fiction ruins capacity for enjoyment.

how isnt there supposed to be no money in the federation and i doubt theyd just give you one

Computer, simulate a thread on the now ancient image board known as Yea Forums.
Computer, list the likely top five threads on page one of the board known as Yea Forums.

You forgot
>disable /janny/ protocols

There’s more to the galaxy than just the Federation.
I remember one episode of DS9 where some Combs character wanted a Kira sex program for his personal holosuite.

can you use it for raep

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if i had the skills to make money outside of the federation i wouldnt need a holodeck

So does Starfleet pay a wage or no, because I'd rather be /spaceNEET/ than a /spacewagie/

I think Starfleet pays a wage. However, I'm not certain how money works in Star Trek. Because on the one hand the Federation is supposed to be an Utopia where people no longer have to exchange their lives for money and hoarding of wealth is no longer a thing people are interested in since it's pointless, but at the same time there are several references made to "I'm buying dinner" and stuff like that, so I'm not entirely sure.

But I'm not the guy to ask, because I just recently got into trek and been watching TNG. On Season 3 atm.

But isn't the point of making the money to be able to buy a personal suite? Like you say, nobody's gonna give you one. I would imagine if you lived in the federation you'd probably get shared time in some communal holosuite, but it would probably be neutered as fuck and not have any sex programs or anything

im like barclay except i dont have plot armor
id never make the money

That's bullshit since there's replicators, and you could just easily manufacture holodecks if you had a schematic for them.

you wouldn't download a holodeck

how would your average person manufacture a fucking holodeck lmao

What do you think Worf did there after his combat exercises?

youtube videos

Some engineers can do it pretty easily if they have schematic, advanced computers, and unlimited resources, which is literally what the replicators give you.

There is no money in the federation, but you do earn "credit" that allows you to purchase things within the federation, moreso on Earth and Starfleet bases. Everyone has enough credit to live off of, i.e. get food from the replicator etc, but you get more credit from being in Starfleet and depending on your rank also. Pretty much every job is given by the Federation itself so nothing is really currency, it's like a government allowance and they decide what the jobs are worth.

So yeah, being a NEET in the Federation would probably be the best thing a NEET could hope for. That's the trouble with the whole concept of Star Trek. It never really explains a reason that people don't just live lives of leisure, instead choosing to work or sign up for Starfleet where they will probably die to the Borg or something. What about the pleasure planet Risa? That's federation territory where Starfleet take holidays, but we also see that non Federation citizens can retire there if they save up enough latinum, which is the universal currency/ trading metal. So do Federation citizens just get to chill on Risa for their whole lives? As far as I know it is never dealt with in the show

Where did Data's cat Spot come from? Was it replicated?

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I assume the vast majority of people do nothing starfleet ships have very small crews

Barclay was a genius who became an important engineer in Starfleet based on that despite his shortcomings. Worthless anons like you or me would likely never even get into Starfleet in the first place. Getting a job like a shopkeeper on a space station or a merchant would probably not be so hard though. I imagine it would be possible to make enough to at least visit a commercial holosuite every now and then

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God the future sounds bleak

A NEET could just sit around living a life of luxury watching Vulcan porn.

and assuming holodecks are publicly available, go fuck holograms of hot teenage girls whenever you get bored. Eat all the food you want, be as fat as you want, and still live 100 years because of the medical technology which is provided for free btw.

to give the jannies a chance to clean it

Starfleet is not the only source of jobs in the Federation or that is Earth based. Not even close. There are a ton of jobs we see like scientists, journalists, farmers etc and people are doing them so there must be incentive. Like I say, doing nothing probably only gives you the bare minimum credit

apparently people in the federation are too "enlightened" to ever do that
checked btw

when the holograms become real and escape the holodeck

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even foreveralone geeks like Barclay and Geordi?

>Implying you can ever be too enlightened to enjoy a holodeck fantasy where young naked women are on their hands in knees, literally in rows, obediently waiting for you to fuck each of them one by one.

Fuck, you could do anything you want too, you could set the girls to be as desperate as you want. You could create a fantasy world where the girls have to wrestle each other naked for the honor of sucking your dick.

Why the fuck would anyone join Starfleet?

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well we really only ever get to see what life in starfleet is like
maybe there are just billions of neets in the federation fucking lolis in the holodecks all day

It is explained, after reaching warp travel an enlightenment era began, the pursuit of knowledge became the cultural summit, whoever wanted to be hedonistic could do so but would be considered a NEET and be frowned upon but not rejected, just passed on as an underachiever idiot. Social status is still a thing, it's not given by material aquisition (why would they, there are replicators everywhere) but creativity, so an artist has more status than a NEET.

Leisure time is still used since stress is a thing and people need to have vacation to still be productive

>Why the fuck would anyone join Starfleet?
Because the ones we see in the show are the top quality people that are actually curious about the unknown and want to help discover it.

>TWO DAYS EARLIER
Computer, create a replica of ancient Earth actress Bryce Dallas Howard. Disengage contraceptive subroutines and after each intercourse impregnate the Dallas hologram t with a genetically accurate replica of the offspring of herself and myself based on historical medical databases.
> "Acknowledged"
Accelerate the gestation period on my command and once the Dallas hologram has given birth, have her cannibalise the offspring.
>"Acknowledged"
Computer, once the Dallas hologram has completed simulated digestion, have her defecate the fetus onto a simulation of my own grave.
> "Acknowledged"
Repeat the birth, cannibalisation and defecation cycle infinitum...Oh, and computer....
>*Beep*
...disengage safety protocols. Save programme under "The Aristocrats".

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>Pic related can be summoned at any time
>She acts however you program her
>You can do anything you want to her
>You can fuck her all day
>She'll serve you food and cook for you and cuddle with you
>You can also summon more girls like her at any time.

As nice as exploring the unknown is, I think even the best people would have a hard time resisting that, but I think what said is supposed to be the case in Star Trek, everyone is too enlightened to engage in that kind of degeneracy.

I mean, you would have to reach some kind of amazing supernatural levels of enlightenment.

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Prolonged exposure, even to the deepest pleasures, would grow to be routine/dull given enough time.

That might be another reason people engage in other activities/interests that are not as pleasurable as the ones you describe. Because that way when they get shore leave, they can enjoy it even more.

Imagine having this power at this day and age, i would literally die in there from undernourishment, all my incel problems would be solved, you cant be ugly loser with no future to a hologram.

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You can literally program her to love you. There are episodes in Star Trek where the holodeck programs accidentally achieve sentience.

You could literally design your wife, and be happy forever.

>still doing it for free in the 24th century
lel

Youre in one now OP

Isn't that like one episode, the Sherlock Holmes one? And only because La Forge overrides the security parameters?

>Computer, generate a replica of the 21st century actress Alexandra Daddario
>Increase her fertility by 500%
>Increase her sexual desire by 100%
>disengage safety protocols

>None of us can even leave Yea Forums

all your base belong to us

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I was born in the wrong era, im 31 years old now, buy the time they invent something like this i will be long dead and eaten by worms. Holy shit life is not fair then people ask themselves why people go on random shooting sprees...

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Just tell the computer to create the woman to have a personality that has a 100% chance to love you, and tell the computer to create her so that she is capable of achieving sentience.

>Unable to comply

If she could comply with the Moriarty request, she could comply with this.

Trek society is so philosophically ASCENDED that the temptations of NEETdom have been defeated.

>to have a personality that has a 100% chance to love you
This sounds like some warlock wish granter spell shit. Imagine having someone that fawns over you 24/7, but you slowly start getting irritated of them, because you know it's self-deception - you know she'll love you permanently, and that she's a fake
>tell the computer to create her so that she is capable of achieving sentience
this would be in direct conflict of the security protocols, I don't think a rando that isn't in starfleet could override security protocols (La Forge could because he was a Lieutenant Cmdr)

They'd send you to a sexy space therapist unless you did it a bunch of times in a row in a medium timeframe with no change to your behaviour, most likely.

>She achieves sentience
>Realizes you're a pathetic human fucking holograms
>Deletes herself

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Would they gave you spacemeds or atleast an option to jettison yourself into a sun?

ok nerds, let me tell you something about the holodeck. its sole purpose in life is to give the writers more leeway in the subject matter that they can write about than just spaceship stuff. so there isnt any jerking off, there isnt all this depraved stuff you bunch of reprobates are thinking there is. its JUST FOR THE PLOT. got damn, bunch of morons

>HOW DARE YOU CONCEIVE OF OTHER WAYS THIS FICTIONAL TECHNOLOGY COULD AND WOULD BE USED. HOW DARE YOU IGNORE PLOT CONVENIENCE

Nah, she'd be confused and would need your guidance, she would be very naive about her sentience, especially if you've been preparing her, and telling her this would eventually happen.

>no money
>doesn't know about latinum
>doesn't know about the Ferengi

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We're discussing hypothetical scenarios ya dingus

>there isnt any jerking off

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Imagine the depravity. People would do the most disgusting shit and nobody could say anything because it's not really hurting anyone.

>in the federation

ok well what if hypothetically you were sitting around in a writers room going 'uhhh how can we get them to 18th century england? uhhh uhhh how can we dress them up in old timey zoot suits and make them solve crimes uhhhh' because thats what they did there NEVER ANY JERKING OFF PERIOD

I wouldn't call it "credit" more like permission and authority.
A pleb ensign doesn't have access to a captains suit or the command to use the phaser banks to blow away cardassian scum.
Also when the Carmine plays at San Francisco Opera house, I'm sure Star Fleet admirals get front row seats while lower deck ship rats sit in the bleachers.

It's already been established (Scott Adams, et al) that holodecks are an impossibility because they would spell the end of the human race.

Except for the several occasions where officers used the holodeck for waifu purposes.

Did Tasha Yarr's actress want to get off the show and that's why they killed her off so quickly? Or was that decision taken without consulting the actress?

I'm glad she had a few cameos here and there in other episodes though, in alternate timelines and whatnot.

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There would have been if I were on the writing team

It's implied that energy is so cheap and space so much that the pursuit for money is a choice, not a need. You can literally just spend your entire life jacking off in a holodeck but many people say fuck that, I want some real world.

Even the Ferengi are probably implied to like money because of a hobby or tradition rather than a genuine crucial need.

>It's already been established (Scott Adams, et al)
Surely what you meant to say was "Scott Adams et al think the following". That's not an established thing at all. You're just vaguely quoting some peoples' opinion on the matter

It was still in the terrible era when she was killed off. I imagine she didn't realise the show was going to get better so she left. I can't see why else an episodic 90s show would just kill off a major character like that

>It was still in the terrible era when she was killed off.
I-I liked the earlier seasons of TNG too, user

Yes, season 1 was a slow start and had TOS nerds REEEEing endlessly. No-one was sure TNG would be a success.

>no war
>no disease
>no poverty
>no hunger
except virtually every episode of Star Trek that deals with these problems

There's a big disconnect between what the Federation believes they are and what they actual are.
Their propaganda narrative falls apart when you leave Sol and live in the harsh realities of one of the many colonies; where you'll need to barter with Ferengi traders for an hour with their Orion sex slave holowhore program.

The best sex is only when you know the other end loves it, unless you are a psychopath.

So no, holodecks would not end life. People would always want to be attractive.

I've seen one Barclay episode, and it's the one where he is spending all his time in the holodeck fantasizing about being brilliant. Picard accidentally calls him "Broccoli" to his face.

I think the point of the episode wasn't that Barclay was a genius or even especially talented at what he did - the Enterprise is stuffed with these kind of characters. The point of the episode and the character is to ask - what if you were a completely average guy trying to keep his head above water in Starfleet?

Seasons 1-3 of TNG are garbage compared to the rest of the show though. Same goes for DS9

She wanted off.
She wanted back on when the show started picking up steam. So she kept making guest appearances (time travel, romulan daughter, mirror universe, etc.) throughout the series; it helped that she was a liked character by the fans.

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>Computer, create a replica of a slave plantation back in the mid-1800s.
>Insert me as the Master

>The best sex is only when you know the other end loves it, unless you are a psychopath.
Wouldn't stop desperate incels from using them though, just like prostitutes are used today. Holosuites would likely be even more available to use and they would be even more appealing considering the customisation of the experience, assurance of attractiveness and no danger from STDs or the law. They most certainly would be used a lot and I think people would become addicted to them as we are to porn now

>mfw i'm about to finish season 3 and I'm super hooked on the show since season 1

Hoboy. I'm excited.

Goods were dirt cheap because of replication and abudant energy, BUT that doesn't solve the other half of the economic problem: services.
You could aurgue that skill can be replicated by advanced AI (like the ship computers). But time was clearly a finite limited resource in the Trek world.

In essence, you run into the same problems that we're running into now with Neoliberal economic policies. Cheap goods, but vital services like housing, education, and healthcare are becoming prohibitively expensive relative to the cost of goods.

You need to continue watching the series then. It becomes very clear that Barclay is a genius. Also, he had to have had a certain level of competency to get through the academy. The story is relatable because Barclay is average, or even below average, compared to the crew of the Enterprise-D, the flag ship of the entire fleet. An actual average person would not even make it near a Starfleet uniform in the first place

He laid out his reasoning in a book. I was being amusing and suggesting you go look for the paper.

>Computer Load B.D.H. program.
>Gym setting, extra sweaty
>insert me as work out bench

*half-romulan sister

Yeah I was in the same position when I watched it. I enjoyed the first three seasons but it certainly gets better. I wouldn't hang around in trek threads to often though unless you don't mind spoilers, at least until you've finished TNG

>tfw no half Romulan mutt gf

>computer, load waifu program code "cunny"
>engage urine desperation routine

I highly reccomend reading The Culture series if you want to see a more realistic approach to what life in an interstellar post-scarcity luxury society would look like.

>Why would anyone ever leave a holodeck?
To ensure no one ever gets an opportunity to turn it off..

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>post-scarcity luxury society

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>same author as the novels that inspired The Expanse
sign me up senpai

>load waifu program code "cunny"
Real talk though, do you think command would kick you out or just make you go talk to Troy?

was it kino?

Drugged up degenerates under constant surveillance who are nothing more than pets of the Minds,never facing any consequences from their actions. It would be an entire society of Charlie Sheens, wallowing in their own shit which is promptly hoovered up by waiting Drones. Idirans did nothing wrong desu.

star trek isn't real

Starfleet seems really prudish. I doubt they would condone that sort of behavior. They're basically the UN on steroids.

I would probably just go to Quark's for that particular program

That utopia is just one lost war away from hell. As soon as the resources dont come pouring in to the federation because there's another big player in the alpha quadrant those citizens will start blaming and eating eachother. It's just a matter of time before some strongman usurps the system and starts dividing the credit to benefit his loyal people

To give the janitor time to clean up all the semen

Based and Horza-pilled.

IT'S REAL TO ME DAMNIT

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have sex

Just name it "My wifes funeral" and nobody will fuck with it.

We'd need to know more about the 24th century's societal scientific study & norms on sexual behavior is. Is Starfleet prudish, or is degeneracy encourages either from some warped sense of liberation? Simulated rape fantasies in the holodeck might be a sort of healthy psychological therapy to help reduce sexual angst in Starfleet officers during long trips; according to years of psychological scientific study.

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If the Holodeck AIs are so advanced, then why do they still need officers in the ship? Why didn't they just use UAV starships all over the galaxies?

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Why would someone make this? And why would I save it?

>implying you're not in one right now

Until Data views it to try to understand what humans call "grief".

Kinda...?
It's definately a product of the 70s, but in it's seeming absurdity and loftiness, it does touch upon some interesting problems of a post-scarcity humanity such as the ennui associated with immortality and the sanctity of the human condition when compared to material transcendence.

This is why the old show was better because they didn't bother with this shit they just had the mafia planet, the indian planet, the roman legion planet, the cowboy planet, the haunted house planet

Computer, why did the quality of posts drastically decline after the 2016 U.S. presidential election.

reported and slap droned

oh, you know why...

>Simulated rape fantasies in the holodeck might be a sort of healthy psychological therapy
Right, but there is no way acting out pedofiliac tendency is healthy

Nice

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>load program "human cunnypede one"
>start subroutine "explosivediarrhoea.exe"

>We'd need to know more about the 24th century's societal scientific study & norms on sexual behavior is.
I agree

>Is Starfleet prudish, or is degeneracy encourages either from some warped sense of liberation?
Judging from the lack of sexual banter we see, and the consideration of the military today, it seems obvious sexuality has been removed from the equation. How Starfleet deals with "problematic" individuals is a matter of inquiry.

>Simulated rape fantasies in the holodeck might be a sort of healthy psychological therapy to help reduce sexual angst in Starfleet officers during long trips; according to years of psychological scientific study.
Evidence suggests engaging in a behavior or even a proxy behavior makes one more likely to repeat that behavior. Are you just trolling? No joke though people must be fucking on the holodeck if there's a no fraternization policy. It probably smells like nut 24/7.

Lmao just gland some Calm and settle down my man.

Could you imagine being Barclay in that episode where Troi finds out he's been jerking off to her in the Holodeck, Jesus Christ actually my worst nightmare.

>lack of sexual banter

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>are an impossibility because they would spell the end of the human race
The universe won't keep you from eating the shotgun barrel user

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Computer, generate a 5'9 frog-human hybrid wearing a tuxedo.
Disable safety protocols

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The holodeck requires a considerable amount of energy, only the top tier ships have them.
And outside federation planets and ships money still matters. Quark and presumably any private holodeck owner can and will charge whatever they want.

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They kinda accomplished this with the mass production of the EMH, but that created a whole new slue of problems with holographic sentience and slavery.

Again, we're dealing with a material world which by nature has fundamental economic limitations. Time is a big one. If you have a queue of people with immediate needs, not everyone can be served instantaneous. So you have some form of triage and rationing of non-infinite non-instantaneous services.

The other problem with the physical world is that it obeys finite physical laws the space & time. There is only a limited number of front row seats at the Opera House. There is only one location of the Picard Family Vineyard. There are only a limited number of spaces for cadets to learn at the Starfleet Academy. etc.
So if everyone cant get these things immediately and simultaneously, then what's the economic system to ration these things out?

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who knows, the way clown world is going, we're only a few years away from "scientists" encouraging this kinda of immoral degeneracy as scientific truth.

According to Picard in First Contact, they no longer use money, and people work to better themselves. This is probably bullshit though.

Riker's a perfect gentleman, even with bitches dripping off him.

Boomer tier meme format but pic related would happen if perfect VR/ holodecks were invented. This is the only use a man would ever have of one

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That must've holo-cost a lot

>le clown world xDD honk honk

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meritocracy

No they just repurpose most of the *ahem* protein extracted for the rest of the ship. Though you’d probably need to sanitize it

In one of the Dark Tower novels there's a VR/holodeck device in Mid-World and it's only use is for a human to fuck beautiful celebs and probably teenagers too. All men want to do it; the only reasons we don't is the law and conscience.

*sniff*
Aw yeah that's the stuff lil sexy slut

One of the best episodes of RD.

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>Evidence suggests engaging in a behavior or even a proxy behavior makes one more likely to repeat that behavior. Are you just trolling?
The mind is a black box, and modern psychology is about as as scientific as phrenology when compared to 24th century.
I'd imagine figuring out their level of psychological understand is a lot harder for modern Trek writers than just the linear extrapolation of the natural and applied sciences.

Consider it a law of contemporary Sci-Fi: all science fiction is implicitly written with the modern understanding of psychology.

Holodecks are creepy and only emboldens perverts.

>tfw you will never play tennis and have a lovely teen run up to you with a smile and a towel
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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They don't.

Meritocracy, ambition... corruption and nepotism/cronyism (let's not pretend that being the child or close friend of a Starfleet Admiral doesn't fast track you).
Also timing and space play a huge factor: if you apply to Starfleet Academy at a time when a lot of other highly competent people apply. Or if the seats just get filled up too quickly and run into a supply/demand problem for education.

have children

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Can you use a holodeck to change your gender or does it only affect the environment around you?

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I'd just lock myself in there and load up increasingly depraved sexual fantasies while masturbating furiously until I perish from a dessication-induced heart attack.

>I have no penis and I must scream
>not I have no penis and I must have sex

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Not in the literal sense, unless you're simulating machines capable of it. Editing you'r genome is illegal in federation so to get it done properly you need to leave.

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How can you prove that there is a real life? That it's not just holodecks inside holodecks inside holodecks etc, that it all goes in a circle with no real reality existing?

I don't think there is porn addiction for 95% of porn users. It's more like a release of seamen.

True porn addiction is like you can't stop watching for hours daily which is rare.

Not a permanent gender swap, maybe Troi just wants to be a guy for a couple hours. Would she feel her holodeck penis or would it just be an illusion?

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IF LIFE IS ILLUSION

THEN I AM NO LESS AN ILLUSION

AND BEING THUS

THE ILLUSION IS REAL TO ME
but I know a holodeck is an illusion so it's not real so gtfo fag

>Would she feel her holodeck penis
Geordis visor data ports would allow for any simulated sensory input as seen in the episode where he gets captured by romulans

>quoting conan in a trek thread
the experience is real, which is what matters. that's the point robert e howard was trying to make literally two pages before belit gets ripped apart by a flying demon ape
queen of the black coast is pretty rad tho and howard's most enlightened work

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Dr Bashir allowed Quark to become a woman just to trick someone into doing business with the Negus, and change back the next day. Genome editing is not allowed but complete sex reassignment on demand apparently is

a lot of conan is smarter than most to trek desu, guy killed himself too early

robert "two gun" howard was literally insane
he wrote most of the conan stuff over a short period of time because he thought conan was standing behind him with a battle axe, threatening to chop off howard's head if he didn't write
he'd spend his days boarding up his doors and windows because he knew at night conan would come
if you ever get a chance czech out his neet letters with hp lovecraft where they start out fighting over clown world shit but eventually become bros and start putting each others characters in their own stories

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True, but it what if someone trapped you inside a holodeck and you never found out? Kind of fucked really. Your family would never see you again and you'd be ignorant of their pain. Even worse, what if you knew you were in a holodeck and the people running it didn't let you out? You couldn't freeze the program or summon the exit. There's literally no way to escape a holodeck from the inside

what an absolute cutie

i want to fuck her brains out