Would he actually make a good king?

Robb’s the retard for not telling him the plan

Edmure was too stupid to be told the plan. Robb told him to shack up and he went running out like a headless chicken. Single handedly lost the war of the five kings lmao

who cares, we'd get Queen Roslin
>faggot king

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Edmure wouldn’t have left Riverrun if Robb had told him what the plan was

Sit down, Brutus

>King Edmure, we're under attack!
>Bring all of the smallfolk into the castle. ALL of them.

He wasn't supposed to leave Riverrun anyway. He defied his orders, plan or no, and his bid to win a bit of glory for himself got in the way of the larger strategy.

A true man of the people unlike Robb the retard that left all da Norf unguarded so those iron niggers could pillage it

A good Lord might not make a good King.

Arguable. Telling a secret plan to Edmure the mouth breather is a perfect way to make your plan public knowledge.

Well, let's look at a few factors and include details from the book and the movie.

Cons
>can't shoot a bow for shit
>is easily browbeaten by redheaded thots
>lord of Riverrun, but even the Blackwoods have a bigger army than Riverrun proper

Pros
>with the death of the Freys, Edmure controls (through his wife) The Crossing, the Twins, and the Fork of the Trident.
>With Littlefinger dead, Harrenhal once again abandoned -- it reverts to the Lord Paramount of the Riverlands
>already Lord of Riverrun and Lord Paramount of the Riverlands
>lands were devastated only early in the war and spared the ravages of the Night King/Dothraki
>well-spoken, related to three of the ruling houses (Stark, Tully, Arryn), and already has a son/heir
>veteran commander: fought multiple battles, some wins, some losses
>was willing to give up his own life to spare his family/other prisoners

The only people with realms in better shape are Dorne (which was left out of the war) and the Vale. The Vale is poor and mountainous. Dorne is isolationist and disliked by the other kingdoms. The Reach is about to be plunged into civil discontent because it's been given to a random mercenary.

With possessions in The Crossing/Twins, The Trident, Harrenhal, and Riverrun, Edmure is probably the single most wealthy (in land) lord in the Seven Kingdoms. He's a veteran, well-connected, and generally moral. There's really no better choice than Edmure.

How is he incompetent in the book? Are you talking about that one time he pushed Tywin back and that fucked up Robb's plans because he wanted to trap him? Because it isn't Radmure's fault, Robb never told him the plan...

Edmure is an minor side character in the books and you people want him to be king...

In the end he was right on what he did, the Lannister cunts set the Riverlands ablaze, he saved countless people and the future of the Riverlands.

This user speaks wisely. On paper Eddy makes sense.

If you want someone who is an actual veteran, belongs to one of the great houses of Westeros and has greater military strength the answer is Sansa.

Best choice after Stannis. Also, doesn't answer the question.

Stannis is dead. Real best choices are Jon, Arya, Sansa, Bran. Sam would be better than Edmure too.

>>can't shoot a bow for shit
Can you? It isn't very easy.

Sansa is not a veteran of shit. Also she's a woman who disrespects everyone around her. Edmure's at least humble.

Also she just declared independence without an army to keep it. She's a retard.

For 2 years before he died of old fucking age, then throw Westeros into another horrific succession war.

No, but it's one of his few cons.

Better than Sansa yea. That strumpet embarrassed him and her little brother to win votes. All things considered, Bran was the only viable choice from that sorry ass council.

In both book and show Robb's at fault for not being clear on the plan. His only orders were to "hold Riverrun". He held Riverrun. Is Edmure just expected to let Tywin run pillaging across his lands when he can stop him? Robbs the retard for not communicating to Edmure that his plan relied on him failing. It was also hardly about glory, it was about defending his lands and people.

>Arya
>Sansa
>Bran
>Sam

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>>can't shoot a bow for shit
This isn't really the case in the books. The reason why he misses Hoster's funeral is because he's really upset by his father's death, not just because he's a shit bowman.

This. Seth MacFarlane once joked about Family Guy's Meg that they're so mean to her because it's a writers room full of guys who don't know how to write for a teenage girl. It's acceptable and hilarious coming from a trashy cartoon, but from HBO's Game of Thrones, arguably the biggest show on Earth, we should expect better writing.

>DEFEATS THE MOUNTAIN AND PUSHES BACK LANNISTERS WHEN OUTNUMBERED 2 TO 1

this guy is a tactical genius but he "fucked up" because robb didnt tell him he was supposed to lose?

in the books the blackfish says Edmure's dad also missed his fathers funeral boat
fuck d&d

Lmao, Sansa bascially won battle of bastards on the show. Stark's are the liege lords of the North, Sansa has plenty of military power. Books have her set up to out scheme Little Finger and end up as the Stark in Winterfell.

Edmure is a minor side character who does nothing but get Robb killed. He's an irrelevant character.

Sit down uncle..on my face

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Indeed, if he was truly incompetent Tywin would have destroyed his host, captured him, and burned Riverrun to the ground.

I'm actually surprised he was there in the first place. I think DnD put Radmure there just so Sansa has someone to shit on. SLAAAY KWEEEN

I said I was mixing both, you nigger. He's obviously a fine lord in the books.

No she didn't. She just recruited the Vale. They were led by Yohn "Bronze" Royce.

>the main characters of the story shouldn't matter in the end
>let's make a literal who king of westeros to end the series

Edmure and Stannis would be co-kings

The scene might as well have been just Tyrion, the Starks and Greyworm. No one else said barely anything that wasn't a quip or a setup for someone elses quip.

>being a main character makes you a competent ruler
>the king has to be a main character to give the main characters a satisfying conclusion
No and no

If I remember correctly Radmure is stricken with grief that's why he can't shoot straight plus it would've been hard to shoot at the boat where your father's corpse is unless you're a fucking psychopath.

He's actually the only character in the ASOIAF universe to defeat Tywin in the field.

>There's really no better choice than Edmure.
I can't disagree. Also, terrible luck that Brutus wasn't able to kill that shit Octavian at Philippi.

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If you guys thought anyone but a Stark, Targ, or Lannister should end up on the Iron Throne I have no idea what to tell you...

Yes, obviously.

but he saved his small folks

>He defied his orders

The Lord Paramount of the Riverlands does not take orders from his nephew up north. Riverrun and the North had an alliance by blood, that's it. Edmure swore no fealty to Robb.

Stannis is only dead in the fan-fiction, though the fan-fiction might become cannon thanks to the inactivity of one fat bastard.

In the books
>Radmure is stricken with grief over his father's death and shooting through his tears
>Blackfish kindly and sympathetically offers to shoot it for him, understanding how difficult it is and tells him there's no shame in missing the shot, his father did too
>Robb stands stoic and respectful
In the show
>DARN, I SHOULDVE BRUSHED UP ON MY ARCHERY HEH
>Robb is giggling like a schoolchild
>FUCKING DUMBASS NEPHEW GIVE ME THAT SHIT

You have to choose a character who has actually contributed to the plot. Edmure becoming king would be a fucking laughable ending.

lol I'll give you that one.

Lord Paramount of the Riverlands

>but a Stark, Targ, or Lannister should end up on the Iron Throne
More like Stark and only Stark. George's story starts with them, more than half the POV chapters in book 1 are Stark family members.

He actually does. Robb was King of the North and the Riverlands, Robb was his King. He swears fealty to him in both book and show.

However Robb's orders were retardly blamed and Edmure can't be blamed for not understanding his intent.

Isnt he friends with Heimdall and Thoreau though??

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This.

Being captured in an act of betrayal and deceit, and then put in a dungeon and tortured for several years before being manipulated into ordering his men to give up Riverrun isn't really a mark against him. He was character assassinated by the show writers consistently but the reality is that he is one of the most heroic, stereotypically "good" characters left alive.

>I cheer for Tobias Menzies' character no matter what
based and manziespilled
You know in Outlander, his character tries to rape several women but can't because he suffers from erectile dysfunction and only gets a hard-on for men.

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he was a massive fuckup in the show. an even bigger fuckup in the books who singlehandedly fucked up Robb's best chance at winning the war.
>A >fucking >mill

Man I really need a girl to let me suck her feet and toes.

Robbs the fuckup for not telling him his plan relied on him failing.

That sounds more like homosexuality than erectile dysfunction.

wasn't he fighting Gregor at that point?

In the show it's Gregor. In the books it's Tywin.

Add Hot Pie to create the Triumvirate of Westeros that will rule for 1000 years

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Why are chicks so into eating ass these days? It's funny as fuck. There's like a 95% chance if you see a girl you're attracted to that she has tongued a dude's asshole thoroughly.

Lino Facioli is 18 (2nd on right)

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in all seriousness how does one do this?? seurously, its the only thing i want in life but too high inhib

I know right! Thats like a thing now. Testament to how boring they find conventional sex. Next they are going to be eating shit and drinking piss. Females are whores and demons. Only demonic spirits eat feces.

no but he was given explicit orders not to do anything, after which he did something.

What should he have said to Sansa?

How do you save face in that situation?

The North is relatively isolated from the other kingdoms and the swampy nature of the Neck makes invasions difficult either way - either the North is bottled in or the South is locked out.

The Reach, the Riverlands, and the Crownlands are all part of the same low lying coastal plain (admittedly with two different river basins). They all possess the same culture (Andal) and religion (Faith of the Seven). Political unity for them is a must because of their physical vulnerability. Likewise, holding the high ground of the Stormlands is necessary to prevent Dornish invasion. The Westerlands are too vulnerable to attack from the lowlands (like the Stormlands).

The fact is, it makes perfect sense for these five provinces to be one polity. The Iron Islands, Dorne, the North, and the Vale all have strong geographical barriers. The Vale has cultural similarities to the main five but it could remain separate easily if it wanted. The other five will be in constant war unless they are forcibly united.

The North cannot hold those five central kingdoms. It is too big, too poor, too far away, and too easy to bottle up in the Neck. The King of the these five kingdoms should come from its Heartland - and Edmure is the Lord Paramount of the Trident, and the only leader of those houses of noble birth (except Tyrion who slew his father after being disinherited).

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“My dear niece, how do you propose to make me?”

sit down uncle
have sex

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I clapped.

This. A Stark on the Iron Throne makes less sense than any other house ESPECIALLY with the north not even being a part of the goddamn kingdom.

Imagine being the actor that fits playing a coward or traitor

Must feel bad to always be cast as incompetent fuckwads. My boy Toby deserves better.

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Reminder that Balon won the War of Five Kings

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I think he would miss the mark.

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His blade would have snapped in 2 against her plot armor.

FUUUUUCKKK OFFF ORNELLAA

The Starks are not really safe in the North, the only reason they had historically remained independent is that the south was never unified before Aegon, so nobody had enough resources to successfully wage war on them. You wouldn't need dragons though, and you wouldn't even need to bother with Moat Cailin and the Neck.

The key to the North is White Harbor. It guards the mouth of the White Knife River, a main artery of trade that stretches deep into the heartland of the North. A boat setting out from White Harbor can make landing just a few days travel south of Winterfell. If an enemy ever took White Harbor they could ferry soldiers straight to the seat of House Stark with impunity.

The problem is, the Manderlys have a formidable fleet and sizable garrison, being the wealthiest house in the north due to their stewardship of its biggest port. Even if one of the individual southron kings had tried to take White Harbor they'd have been rebuffed more than likely. The Starks would send reinforcements to ensure even if the fleet failed no army would take the city.

But in this scenario the south is unified. It's not just one kingdom sending whatever ships and men they can spare while fending off their ravenous neighbors, it's 5 combined kingdoms sending 3 combined fleets (Arbor, Dragonstone, Iron) and all the men of the Reach, Westerlands, Stormlands, and Riverlands which probably numbers close to 200,000. This is basically Xerxes II invading Greece and this time there's no Hot Gates, so the North had better pray there's a Themistocles in the Manderly family who can fight off a fleet at least 3x the size of his.

By dying?

He was the last of the 5 kings to die.

>>lands were devastated only early in the war and spared the ravages of the Night King/Dothraki
The riverlands were the MOST devastated of any region except maybe the north. But that's only if you compared population killed, in terms of land destroyed the riverlands are the most fucked. Part of Tywins strategy for was was to purposely fuck up the riverlands as badly as possible. It wasn't just a side-effect of the war, he and the mountain and his other men were going place to place burning everything in sight, destroying forests and farmland and slaughtering all the people.

You don't just recover from that in a few years. Get out of here with your shit meme character that you and the other people replying to your post only like because he's so shit and it's funny to pretend you like him.

Yes. Edmure is a good man, and the show completely butchered his character in order to make him a punching bag.

It's honestly pathetic that D&D even brought him back just to be a punching bag once more rather than actually develop his character into something more than a guy that has 5 total lines of dialogue. It's pathetic.

Literally the only scenes he ever gets:

1) Made to look weak / pathetic when shooting flaming arrows at his father's funeral.
2) made to look weak / pathetic by Robb when he chastises him for attacking the Mountain, when what he did was heroic.
3) made to look weak / pathetic when he discusses Robb's betrayl to the Freys and when he chooses to marry a Frey girl to make up for Robb's dishonor.
4) The Red Wedding, basically his only scene is to come in, meet Roslin and get married and then fuck off. He's not seen again until season 6.
5) Season 6, meets with Jaime, has some good dialogue where he berates Jaime for his love of Cersei and shows how flawed his relationship is.
6) His last scene before season 8, goes to the Blackfish and gets Riverrun to surrender. Does something honorable in saving the lives of hundreds of men selflessly.
7) His final scene, once again he is relegated to a punching bag because D&D never bothered to develop him as a character at all. Fucking pathetic.

I cannot stand how good characters are treated like this. So much time to develop a great character like Edmure and it's all just thrown away so D&D can have their epic "SANSA STRONK!" moment.

One good point about making Edmure the King is that he commands arguably the weakest and most vulnerable regions of Westeros, the Riverlands, so making him king wouldn't give him too much power over Westeros as compared to the Greyjoys ruling both the Iron Islands and the Crownlands or the Dornish prince controlling both Dorne and the throne. Edmure would have been the most pacified and balanced king besides Bran.

Edmure would be too wealthy and powerful for the other lords to want him to be king. He's not Aegon, he didn't win the right right through unquestioned dominance. Aegon could take what he wanted by right of strength, Edmure happened to get lucky and wind up holding the best cards at the end of the game. Best is relative though, because you're underselling how badly the Riverlands got raped by the Lannisters. It was scorched earth, deliberate waste laid to the countryside and deliberate massacres of the smallfolk. That takes generations to come back from. Ask the American South.

Even so, I agree he's probably in the best position outside of Dorne. For precisely that reason nobody would want to make him even more powerful and even richer by making him king. He doesn't really have a particularly good claim to the Iron Throne, Robert's bastards have better, and since Jon abdicated his claim there's no living Targs with better claim than the Storm boys. Likely they would legitimize Gendry (really Edric, but the show didn't include him) and make him king then appoint Emdure as Hand of the King.

Being Hand gives Edmure the honor he deserves as well as realpolitik power that will realistically be more than a young, inexperienced bastard would have. Edmure would effectively rule Westeros while he served as Hand, and the position is not hereditary so it would not increase his family's holdings, thus negating the dynastic threat perceived by other lords.

The lords of Westeros only accepted the Targs initially because of Aegon and his dragons, then it became tradition. Their claim cemented until Robert's Rebellion, after that the claim transferred to that family. The notion of rightful claim is important for preventing needless dynastic wars. Otherwise anyone who thought they were strong enough would declare independence or rebel against you, which is what Balon did after Robert's Rebellion, since he didn't recognize his claim.

it's his fault for looking exactly like the kind of guy who would order you to your death

>botches his father's funeral
>ruins rob's plan
>literally surrenders his ancestral seat of power because they threatened to "kill" your frey wife and son
>gets the blackfish killed and the riverlands effectively useless throughout the entire war
>gets told to sit down by his fucking niece when he's the lord of the Riverlands
he'd be the equivalent of tywin's dad if he ever became king

In the books? Sure. He's basically Tommen but older and with a decent grasp of military tactics.

Yeah, boring leaders are the best leaders if you want peace.

I thought we were operating off the shows silly HRE invention, not what would realistically happen in the books. If it's solely the books, you are absolutely correct.

If not, I think my assessment of Edmure stands.

As for the "smallfolk," you are correct. But I was operating under the assumption that the other kingdoms (other than Dorne/Vale) suffered similar fates. The North saw the coming of Winter and the plague of undeath. The Westerlands and northern Reach saw dragonfire and Dothraki. Let's not even mention the crownlands (though Rosby to the Clawmen is probably relatively unfucked). While the Riverlands were devasted, it's already been years in the show (unlike the books). Enough time for grass to grow back and soil to replenish, if not generations of peasants. Gregor didn't salt the earth.

"we will have an election to chose the king every time"
>literal electing a god king to the throne
>bran is three eyed raven, will never die
electing an immortal god king

SCENE WAS PURELY FOR FAN SERVICE

he has that kind of face

Of course.

ALL HAIL KING RADMURE,
THE DRAGONSLAYER!

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