Jon being a Targaryan meant nothing

Dany didn't snap because he's a Targaryen. She snap because she was immediately betrayed by everyone the moment they found out. If she really had wanted Jon dead she would had killed him or left him to die in episode 3. Tyrion, Varys, Sam and Sansa kept telling him she would turn against him but Dany never did.

Dany snapped because other people--Bran, Sansa and Varys--were trying to use Jon's claim against her. Varys tried to poison her because he thought Jon was the better choice.

Yeah they could have made the last three episodes 100 times less stupid if she just bailed on Jon at some point during the """""""""long"""""""""" night

Dany snapped because she knew everyone would want john on the throne instead of her, and her rule would be constantly questioned. She did it as a display of force and to 'break the wheel' because under the current system she had no legitimate rule.

If john was not a targaryan, there would be no question to the legitimacy of danaeris on the throne

There still isn't a real reason why they can't just get married and rule, apart from one throwaway line by Varys about how it won't work for some reason. Jon has no interest in ruling anyway.

varys would still be alive

In feudal society people who dun want it can just step aside. No reason why Jon couldn't

So Rhaegar was just using that prophecy stuff to get some Northern booty right? Our guy for sure.

Jon didn't want to fuck his aunt because he knew how creepy incest was and what it was like living under the rule of a pscyho despotic incest baby

The main thing wasn't even about ruling, or marriage, or betrayal, it was simply about her being lonely and getting the d made her happy

He could've just sworn to be her Kingsguard or something, or just sworn to abdicate all of his claims. pretty retarded desu

That doesnt matter, it would mean a constant continued question of her rule.

You have to understand, dany was practically worshipped and treated like a god for pretty much her whole time in essos, then as soon as she went to westeros NOBODY was happy to see her, or really accept her. She reasoned the only thing to have her rule unquestioned was to be a tyrant who was willing to burn it all to the ground.

He already fucked her. The whole thing was stupid

>Jon suddenly has 21st century views on incest when his grandparents were cousins
what the fuck are you talking about Yara swore to her, Highgarden swore to her, Dorne swore to her. was she just assravaged than Jon's buttbuddies in the North preferred him?

It's what made it possible for him to get close enough to Dany to kill her. His fate was to do that.

But she didn’t know that for sure.

Jon's families committed incest multiple times throughout each of their histories, but he is against it not because HE said so, but because Varys, who doesn't know him at all, says so. That is why it is never discussed at all by Jon and Dany in season eight.

If that's not bad writing, I don't know what is. D&D avoided the most interesting aspects of Jon and Dnay's relationship because it was inconvenient towards the Mad Dany plot.

Op making this thread meant nothing.
If this entire thread was removed he'd still be a big faggot.

Plot points amounting to nothing is the hallmark of an ending being rushed. They could have easily gotten two whole seasons out of the material they had to work with in S8 but they decided to end everything as fast as they could.

The night king should have been an entire season. Multiple battles that ends with a showdown at the gates of King's Landing. Political brawling over whether or not King's Landing will allow the fleeing people of the north to take refuge in the city, and whether or not they can even trust Cersei not to kill them all once they're behind her walls. Dany having to resist her urge to purge, and Cersei having to resist annihilating her dragons with her ballistas while she has an easy shot. More drama about Cersei's baby, and whether or not it might be possible for Dany to still conceive, and what both of these could mean for the future of westeros.

I would not change the place where the characters end up, except that maybe I would have given Jon a more noble ending. He is a true king in every sense and even though he is a free man at the end, possibly even going on to be king of the free folk, he earned a place of honor within Westeros. He's one of the only truly heroic characters in all of GOT, and he ends up right back where he was at the start of the show with a black mark on his name. He's the fucking prince that was promised and in the end he hardly gets to do jack shit.

faegon will probably be the one who will take jon snow plot line

Bran's entire storyline was pointless. He did absolutely fucking nothing after becoming the 3 eye raven. LITERALLY NOTHING

No, Dany’s distrust of Jon had roots in his King in the North adoration from the Northmen. They could have just continued with that line without introducing the Targ heritage and the ultimate same fear of him usurping her would have manifested itself.

>You have to understand, dany was practically worshipped and treated like a god for pretty much her whole time in essos, then as soon as she went to westeros NOBODY was happy to see her, or really accept her. She reasoned the only thing to have her rule unquestioned was to be a tyrant who was willing to burn it all to the ground.
Which was just bad writing through and through. The Starks were conspiring against her before she took one step into Winterfell. Tormund, and the Wildlings, gave her no respect despite the fact that she saved his life before. Dany sacrificed a lot to save the North, and nobody gave a shit whatsoever. Then she somehow equated the North's indifference to the indifference of the entire realm, and burned down King's Landing because of it. Jon, who was with her almost the entire time, did nothing to console her or guide her.

This season was contrived beyond all reason.

No one cares

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>Jon, who was with her almost the entire time, did nothing to console her or guide her.
Remember how in S7 she would ask him for advice and he would give his opinion? In this season when she sought out to him all he would say "I dunno" or "yur mah kween"

I’m still dumbfounded that the Army of the Dead was both revealed and destroyed in 1 episode, with two episodes beforehand of absolutely nothing. In an ideal world, the season should have opened with a White Walker attack on Castle Black or another northern settlement. Show it getting swarmed and absolutely fucked, just to set the tone of the season and show how terrifying the Dead actually were. Instead, we have two filler episodes at the beginning where the threat of the Dead feels minimal. There’s no terror. Even during the battle, there was only a minimal air of dread. We should have had main characters dying like flies, the North being decimated - and as another user said, Dany abandoning the North over Jon’s Targ heritage. Just something, ANYTHING, that would have actually been interesting rather than this jog to the finish line that the writers lumped us with.

This fucking aggravated me, especially with Sansa, literally everyone just forgot that Dany assisting the North is the only reason they're fucking alive. God, fuck DnD.

The Starks didn't forget; they said, "Yeah, she helped but fuck her anyway."

Missandei literally told Sansa this and she got killed next episode.

Ned had to be rolling in his grave at how the Stark sisters turned out especially at Sansa who is now just a love child of Cersei and Littlefinger. Ramsay was right all along about her.

Bran drove a wedge between Jon and Dany, which led to Dany killing a million people, Jon killing Dany, and Bran becoming King. Everything worked out in the end :).

The dragon would have killed him, you dummy

Also, the city surrendering and Jon being a Targ continuously diminishes her power. Her momentum was all she had
>waiting lets the Lannisters reform and brings Jon closer to the throne every day. (which would be accelerated if any more scenarios popped up, as everyone would look to Jon and not her.)
She lost the second the bells started ringing.

Nobody would look to Jon outside of the Northmen. The Unsullied, Dothraki and Drogon don't give a fuck. The Lannister soldiers don't give a fuck. Euron doesn't give a fuck. Dany had all the power, which is unfortunate because Jon refused to use it.

Why didn't Bran warn anyone when he saw that he was going to be the next king, and therefore probably knew King's Landing was going to burn?

He was the Prince That Was Pointless

Bran doesn't give a shit about anybody who isn't Bran. He encouraged Daenerys burning down King's Landing, if anything.

The North, the Riverlands, likely the Vale, and probably parts of the Stormlands would look to Jon in another showdown (depending on scenario).

Also, Dany had fuck all outside Drogon. Yes the Unsullied were great soldiers and yes the Dothraki were effective on an open field... but they are foreign invaders on a continent that despises them... they cannot deal with the long term (the Unsullied are good for exactly one (1) generation... then they're gone).

My nose just bled while I was pulling the hairs out of my nostrils. Do you think he has the same problem?

It's a false dichotomy, because one would have to assume that there would be a schism between Dany and Jon in the first place. By needlessly interfering, the Starks insured that Jon and Dany would split and that he would kill her. He had no desire for the throne whatsoever, and there was no reason presented that he wouldn't just say no. Dany didn't see him as a threat, to her detriment.

remove Bran plot
did anything change? haha but srsly, Night King tried to kill Bran because he knew Bran was the final boss and the enemy of humanity (Greenseer)

I wasn't envisioning a Dany/Jon strain. I was thinking of more Lannister shenanigans or a Dany V Westeros in general type deal.

Dany snapped because Jon rejected her and betrayed her trust by telling Sansa and Arya.

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I DUN WUNT DA FRONE DANNIE U R MUH KWEEN NOW AND ALWAYS

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>One of the big reasons dany snapped was because he was a targaryan. I think it worked out.

That storyline was done so fucking badly that changing it couldn't have hurt it. Just have them work together but people are still loyal to "The King in the North." Jon gets a big kill (the NK, or even anything useful) during a better plotted Long Night. Varys starts to think Dany isn't suitable and supports the King in the North instead. Dany notices the northerners don't like her and are behind Jon. It all would have played out the same and just as much nonsense. R + L = J was a total waste of time.

Even better: take out Jon, Dany, and the White Walkers as characters. WW turned into a big fat fucking nothing. Dany snapped and died so fucking fast it didn't matter. All of those plots were a distraction and a wet fart. Just focus on the War of the Five Kings with Mad Queen Cersei as the big end boss instead. The ending is exactly the same in all the ways that matter but with more time to do those other plots right.

Take out the entire White Walker plot and nothing changes. Jon is at the Wall fighting Wildlings. He backs Daenerys because he wants to take down Lannisters for supporting Boltons.