I am sorry, but why should the north be the only independent region from the crown?

It’s funny cause allowing the north to be independent would show the six kingdoms blatant favouritism by their new stark king and result in them all leaving as well

the only worthwhile parts are coastline. it's a desolate tundra beset by barbarians and monsters.

moat cailin is supposed to be this impenetrable chokepoint. why not just build your own fortress a mile away and say fuck you you can't come down to our nice fertile lands.

so the 3 eye raven is powerless as king also?
True pottery right there.

This, what the fuck.

I hope Bran takes control of Drogon and burns the North until the North begs Bran to take em back.

Because they played soft politics better than anyone else.
Edmure is just a puppet running Riverrun. If Sansa tells him to march, he will, because he has no spine.
Robin Arryn doesn't care about independent north, but Yohn Royce is a first man, he knows that an independent first man kingdom (allied to the vale) would be good for his house in the long run.
The crownlands are ruled by Bran Stark who is her brother.
The westerlands are ruled by Tyrion Lannister, who really doesn't want to be enemies with the Starks and doesn't mind letting the north be an independent.
The reach is ruled by Bronn of House Blackwater, who has no real power, and is just a figurehead for Tyrion. So he won't be a problem either.
Gendry Barratheon loves Arya Stark, so the stormlands wouldn't vote against the North either.
The Tarlys (most powerful house in the reach) is ruled by Samwell Tarly, who is another Stark ally.

The only people who would be against an independent north would be - Dorne and Iron Islands.

Now, Dorne cannot go to war against the North when they are literally the southernmost kingdom. However, I see them rebelling in a couple years for their own independence.

Yara Greyjoy was loyal to Daenerys, so she shouldn't support an independent north either. However, the iron fleet was burned and she doesn't have the men to challenge the starks or declare independence from the Iron Throne.

So ya, the North basically won by making the right allies and getting rid of anyone who would have been against the starks.

Why didnt the Iron lands also claimed imdependency? Didnt they just had a war some decades ago about this shit? It seems such a wasted opportunity to not take this chance and try claim it when so many people died for it not so long ago.

She is nothing like Littlefinger. She didnt learn a single thing from him. She is just a mix of cersei and stark.

>favoritism
>when the north already spent 6 seasons of the show as an independent kingdom

I WILL REVERSE ALL OUR PLANS AND GO BACK TO WORSHIPPING THE CROWN BECAUSE MY BROTHER IS THERE

I doubt cersei was ever tortured and raped by bobby the way ramsay did it with sansa

because showfans are north nationalistic for some reason. in the books character are already over the nationalism meme. Sansa shouldn't even care when she hated the North.

I'd argue that Dorne should also be separate, as they had evolved into a separate culture as well and are descended from not-Andals as well, but no main characters come from Dorne so the kike writers don't give a shit about that.

it's because Bran can blackmail anyone by sneaking into their past and telling others about them touching pee pees

they're the equivalent of scottland, they were independent for a while but sooner or later Bran will rape their lands and reclaim its beauty

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10$ that Cercei had teethy cunt and thats why robert refused to fuck her.

Bobby punched her that one time (WEAR IT WITH HONOR) that is literal torture and psychological rape

Because the king in the north meme that started way back in season 2. Lazy fan service

Yohn Royce might be smartest man in the game. The vale was untouched by war and they have the largest remaining army.
He controls Robin Arryn and is allied with the Starks (both the Queen in the North and the King of the Six Kingdoms owe House Royce).
Now, Bran Stark can't father children, so when he dies, they'll have to select a new king. Since the Royce have the largest army and made the right alliances, they can expect to have a king from their house in a few decades.

apologize to Lord Baelish right fucking now

But all those allies would be much more useful if north stayed in 7 kingdoms, so they can have some actual influence

not sure what the relevance of this scene was

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The Iron Islands were already independent and before that, they were more of a province rather than a fully assimilated kingdom. Same thing with Dorne. They never submitted so Aegon just said fuck it and allowed them to be partially independent. That's why they have princes.

>I WILL REVERSE ALL OUR PLANS AND GO BACK TO WORSHIPPING THE CROWN BECAUSE MY BROTHER IS THERE
That's literally the way things tend to go, retard. Once your direct family is the king of westeros why the FUCK would you secede? Stop defending the deedee's stupid fucking writing.

To appease to the Yas Queen crowd, unironically

North seceded to piss off the Lanisters.

Westeros was always Balkanized. The Iron Throne means nothing. Every region had their own distinct army which only answered to the ruling house anyways. The King only has the King's guard and the city militia as loyal troops, and the soldiers of whatever house they're from. The political situation in Westeros is retarded and unrealistic.

And why should the north follow her?

Bran claim to Winterfell is stronger than hers.

Dumb bitch literally tells the only surviving male heir of Edd Stark that the northmen won't follow him.

No because they don't want influence, they want to be independent

she will tell them brans peepee doesnt work.

>the smartest man being played by a Littlefinger like a bongo
>a fucking Littlefinger

She basically says that the Northmen are sick of the throne and will fight for Independence anyway. The North wants independence to justify all the shit they've been through. She just ensured that it happened peacefully.

Well, he isn't in the north, and that probably will make them choose someone who is in the north, right?

Apart from that, mary sue Bran accounted for everything already anyhow and wanted it this way, right?

why is she ruling the North when Brann is the legit heir and he is obviously no longer denying titles?

>The political situation in Westeros is retarded and unrealistic.

You realize the middle ages did actually happen, right?

They kinda earned it by winning the Great War at great cost to themselves. Whilst, apart from the Vale, the other 7 kingdoms did nothing. I know it was rushed like most of the plot points, but this is what Sansa meant why the Northerners would never kneel to the south again.
Hell, if it wasn't for Arya Stark, the Army of the Dead would have flooded into the south unchecked anyway. The battle was lost.

Seven Kingdoms were North, Vale, Isles and Rivers, Rock, Reach, Stormlands, Dorne. If the North leaves, they can still call themselves the seven kingdoms because the iron islands and the riverlands are not ruled by the same people anymore.

Unless the ironborn also left, then they would have to call themselves the six kingdoms, but if that is the case why did the iron islands (and the north) get a vote in the kingsmoot.

>sam tarly
>night's watch
>maester
>holding land

Because fuck you, that's why

t. Dabid

Daenerys promised the Iron Isles their independence. Even then, they were still sovereign and allies to the crown. That's why they get a vote.

>Every region had their own distinct army which only answered to the ruling house anyways. The King only has the King's guard and the city militia as loyal troops

And here was Joffrey asking why this was the case and why King's Landing hadn't started raising a state army under the King's command

but are they in the final kingdom or are they independent

Whoa there buddy, kingsmoot is a copyrighted term under the Drowned God 781/36 paragraph.
Find your own term for your king choosing you mainland cucks. Or pay the Gold price, since you are too faggots to pay the iron price.

yeah but what about the Iron Islands? what about Dorne? they were always looking for weakness in the crown in order to stir things up and claim independence
let me guess they kinda forgot

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based Jeffery attempting to fulfills his fathers goals

Did Yarasha just forget that Dany had promised them independence?

they literally had a moot where they decided a king, we demand a trial by combat

>scottland
Isn't that what Beyond the Wall is supposed to be

She didnt, but Dany isnt going to give them anything now that she is dead. And the king is a Stark. Good luck rebelling against Starks you pirate fucks.

This. But I was thinking the Reach is probably the first to secede after the Iron Islands and Dorne since no fucking way they accept a mercenary as their liege lord.

Stormlands probably follows soon after since Gendry is an unknown with no alliances or men loyal to him.

Then it all falls apart.

the last fanservice of the show

They literally call Bran king of six kingdoms.

And if he wasn't in the north he would be the lord of winterfell, a position he rejected because supposedly he was done with earthly bs. And if the northmen wanted someone to rule them that someone was Jon Snow, whom they supposedly adore so much they would accept kween daenerys as the queen of the 7 kingdoms just for him, in fact daenerys is afraid that jon can become the ruler of the 7 kingdoms because of his blood and all the support he has.

I don't think anybody wanted to Bran be king, but if he is to be voted king, it is the safe to assume that the first people to support him as a king are the northmen, if his own people, the people who he is rightful lord to, the people that followed his dad and brother, if those people don't want him as king how the hell does anybody else wants him as king.

Fuck Sandra

but are the iron islands in or out? if they are in it would be dumb to call it the six kingdoms still.

Kings and queens can relieve both maesters and men of night's watch from their duties.
Maester Aemon Targaryen was both, and he was offered the crown during the succession crisis.
Also, Samwell Tarly has already broken his vows by fathering a bastard son. The night's watch is all but gone. It wouldn't be surprising if he returned to Horn Hill, since there are no male members left in house tarly.

can you actually shove horses out the way like this? I get bitten by horses if i offer them grass the wrong way but this little guy can just shove steppe mares apart as easily as his auntie's legs?

>he was done with earthly bs
He was playing them. He doesn't give a fuck about the other starks, he always planned to rule westeros, ever since bran stark died and the three eyed raven took over his body.

>this one move created a terrible precedent

What is Austro-Hungary for $500, alex?

She won them the "Great War"
In the eyes of the northerners it was her, Jon, and Arya that saved the day. They don't give a fuck about "muh male heir"

She did literally nothing though.

literally shaking

It shouldn´t. None of the political moves of the ending made any sense even for a show that has dragons and zombies on it. No political animal would apoint a cripple as leader in a post war scenario where there is need to show strenght both internally to reasure and order the masses and externaly to keep foreign powers at bay. Likewise the north would not be allowed to leave in a time of both political and economical crisis where there is need of workers and an upcoming rate on taxation. (wars are expensive and the iron bank lended money to both Cersei and Stannis, plus the cost of rebuilding king´s landing and whatnot) Bottom line is the north would never be allowed to leave in that situation and that would lead to war. Does Bran seem like a war king? no. He should be hand at best.

NORFERN LADS
BORN AND BRED
HARD AS FUCK
GOOD IN BED

because Scotland

Yeah but if you stay in the 6 Kingdoms you have a chance to be voted the next King

The people there also spent hundreds of years as part of the seven kingdoms

That’s how feudalism works everyone is the lord paramount of their area and the answer to the primary family.

If you got he big balls you can easily rebel but you need to hope your other lords are willing to let you go or won’t join the king to stomp you out.

It’s sort of an interesting anarchical system really

Y’all just mad cause it’s Sansa

This part was so fucking stupid

So one kingdom wants to go independent? As soon as the other monarchs knew about this they would start screeching to be independent themselves, not just go “alright fair one” and leave it alone.

It was absolute stupidity

Make no sense,

>Duh uh, we have seven kingdom, but we need a king hor dur.

I was literally thinking the exact same thing while watching this.

What would actually happen

>I wan to go independent
>lol ok
> dude wtf if she gets to go independent I want independence as well
> lol no think of all the bloodshed
> so your sister gets independence but fuck everyone else
> hey I think the north deserves freedom for all the blood spilt
> fuck you stark fucker you only say that because you’ve fallen for the goblins pussy, and who even let a bastard in charge of the stormlands?
> hey not only this but the people of Dorne have lost their entire fucking ruling house fighting the lannisters, I think we deserve independence.
> yeah, vale here, we’re done with you fuckers, fuck Sansa and fuck the 7 kingdoms, we’re going independent, yo Sansa want an alliance as independent states
> yeah sure
>iron island here, fuck off we vikings now

And thus ensued the largest civil war since the clash of kings

sure, but cia was no mere man. getting played by him and still have a head on your shoulders is a veritable accomplishment. (atleast until dabid butchered his character)

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This is actually a good point.

Other than that the north is the one that is geographically separate. If the rest tried this it would be constant wars since they have too much border. The north is separated from the rest by a choke point and fuck cold lands no one wants to try and invade.

>north is the one that is geographically separate
>meanwhile iron islands
>meanwhile vale

Because Brexit means Brexit you fucking cunt.

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Bran has
>no lands
>no money
>no family
No one would have let him be king. He couldn't have enforced his will upon any of the kingdoms.
Jesus Christ the show had Tywin talk about powerbases for stupid people like a thousand times, you'd think d&d would remember.

And the vale is literally fucking mountain passes, guerilla raiders and literally unpenetrable fortresses no one would want to invade, why don’t they go independent?

Dorne is literally sand and desert with limited water resources and an army fairly untouched since most of the Martell died early on into their war efforts, why don’t they go independent?

And the iron islands are pretty much immune to Westeros invasion due to Westeros having no more fleets, sure they iron islands are lacking ships themselves but as thrones sister went back to rebuild during the entire season to combat Enron’s fleet( that they never did) it’s no stupid to argue that the iron fleet has probably got a fairly strong start in the arms race, why don’t they go independent.

High garden is literally run by a sell sword bandit with no claim and no royal bloodline, why don’t they rebel, bankrupt the king and go independent?

It’s literal stupidity, either all the kingdoms rejoined or they all broke apart into balkanised alliances and petty wars. The only reason they United was because some dick with a 3 fuck off dragons came along and burned them all together with mass genocide and fear. Without those super weapons there literally no fucking reason for the rulers to stay a vassal under a random cripple who speaks gibberish and pretends he sees the past

What did they mean by this? Which scene made sansa so wet she had to touch her pussy in a public hallway? Why is Arya laughing at us?

Don't forget that the North seceding would result in Bran having no army of northerners to bolster his power as king. Pretty much the only region he can count on not splitting off from the kingdom is the Riverlands because his mom was a Tully and the Riverlands would benefit taking on the role the Lanisters had when Robert was king.

It's the only kingdom ruled by a main character.

tbf the north has a cheeky saved-westeros-from-becoming-zombies card that they can play to get a bit of a free pass
In master tactician sansa's infinite wisdom she decided to play that card within literal seconds of a stable monarchy being established
>Winterfell is in need of major repairs
>Gonna have to survive on the remaining winter rations that the dothraki horde didn't gobble up in a region which is looks like it has barely any cultivated land at the best of times
but nah rather than milking the seven kingdom's coffers for a while before gradually becoming an independent state she just makes herself an outcast immediately

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um only good guys are left now sweetie, don't need to worry about any shenanigans

With what ships is Bran gonna take back the Iron Islands without starting off as a despot?

because it's the only one that can't be conquered without dragons. The only reason the North was ever part of the Iron Throne was fear of dragons. With them destroying the Targaryen dynasty there's nothing forcing them to stay.

Plus Bran is still her heir.

He will warg into Yara, tell the second in command to bend the knee or he will HODOR them one by one.

>This is actually a good point.
noh it isn't. The North was it's own kingdom for tens of thousands of years, and only bent the knee to dragons 300 years earlier. While places like the Riverlands and the Iron Islands, and the Reach and Dorne, and Vale and the Riverlands, and the Stormlands and the Reach, are all intertwined in each other's histories.

>Bobby B instead of giving metals or some shit to his favorite soldiers just punches them in the face
>"WEAR IT WITH HONOR"
Holy shit, why was he so based?

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Dorne does not give a fuck what happens in the rest of Westeros. They weren't even conquered by Aegon. Same for the Iron islands, but they were conquered because they are annoying pirates.

>No political animal would apoint a cripple as leader in a post war scenario where there is need to show strenght both internally to reasure and order the masses and externaly to keep foreign powers at bay.

Yeah, but he's fucking magic, dude. He can alter the timeline by warging into people and animals. Anyone who makes fun of him for being a cripple risks getting thrown of their horse as a kid and becoming a cripple themselves.

>Dorne does not give a fuck what happens in the rest of Westeros.
yeah they do
>They weren't even conquered by Aegon.
yeah they were conquered after that religious faggot died there
> Same for the Iron islands
utterly decimated and ruled by someone installed by the iron throne because they wouldn't declare independence.

Prove he’s magic

Prove the night king was real

Iev been chilling down in Dorne for the whole time and have just taken the throne

You’re telling me some magic snowman nearly killed us all, and your brother is a wizard, so we should all bend the knee?

Yeah, no.

>feudalism dont real

She's either a master tactitian or massive idiot depending on how you look at it. The other kingdoms might be more willing to cut off the north when it's at its most needy. More provisions for the other kingdoms. If the North is still weak as shit in a few decades, then it could be reconquered.

I like how he met Gray Worm executing prisoners, then he walked a long distance to the castle, then he climbed two thousand steps and he saw Gray Worm just standing there. What the fuck?

He can only warg into one guy at a time. All you need to do is get 4 dudes to attack him and he’s fucked.

and he could only warg into hodor because he was all broken brained. they show what happens when someone tries warging into a fully-functional human in the books. It doesn't work.

everyone other leader was too stupid to think of it by that point

the real reason for this was a difference in tax policies. unironically

Bran will just invade them in ten years so who cares?

>Prove he’s magic
Your dad pressed his semi-hard cock onto your back when you were six and wrote my name with his pre-cum before telling you prep his cock for your sister with your mouth. Think deeply, it's all coming back to you.

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It's as large as the other six combined and impossible to hold through force.

>bending the knee to spaced out wheely boy
norf fc are the only ones with any sense
pls come home ngubrann

>the rape prince

Bran just needed to warg into one boar to put the seven kingdoms into disarray. You think he needs to warg into humans to kill other lords?
>warg into a lords horse and buckle him off
>trample him to death.
>if a guard kills the horse bran is warged into, then warg into the guards horse to trample

How are they going to force bran to be Lord of winterfell?

>the most trade-dependant region of Westeros declares sovereignty right before long and brutal winter
YAS QUEEN THANK YOU I CANNOT WAIT TO MCFUCKING DIE OF STARVATION

apology accepted

>being played by a Littlefinger like a bongo
Royce made allies. Littlefinger made enemies. Who really won in the end? I don't see Littlefinger around anywhere.

>whaaaat? how could a woman even be ruler? that's never going to happen!!
*several seasons later*
>ALL HAIL QUEEN CERCEI
>YARA YAAAAY
>KHALEESI QUEEN OF THE DOTHRAKI YALAYALAYALA
>QUEEN OF THE NORTH QUEEN OF THE NORTH QUEEN OF THE NORTH

test

Are you retarded? Everyone in the north rejected daenarys and only begrudgingly accepted her help

I'm pretty sure the winter is over, user.

There's less mouths to feed, though. Also you assume that it's not in Bran's, The Reach, or the Riverland's best interest to supply the North and make them allies in the event of civil war with the other kingdoms.

So Tormund knew all along that the plan was for Jon to head north to meet up with him at the wall and join the wildings, and that's also the reason he Jon left his direwolf with him too (which everyone cried about), right?

Because none of the other guys had the idea

Don't worry they can have a vote 3 years later after telinh salsa she didn't know what she voted for.

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The winter lasted a few months, it's spring when Jon heads north of the Wall.

He could have sent a raven. But what would that raven find Tormund in the wilderness? Don't think much about it, user.

Dorne was brought in via marriage, they weren't even conquered when they downed a dragon and killed his favorite sister

My flatmate just played the emperors new groove scene to me on his phone at that point.

They're big enough ans isolated fom the rest, and they want to anyway

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I think my take is correct, and just asking if anyone else agrees

whats her tax policy?

A horrendous fucking failure, that's what it is doc

Scotland.

When Sansa said the North would remain independent, the camera panned towards Yara and the Dornish prince. I assume it was alluding to their eventual independence as well, though I do no know why Yara didn't say anything right there.

based

The North literally has nothing important in it and doesn't really rely on anything from the south. All the Kingdoms to the south rely on each other way more and would lose from going independent. You could probably say the same for Dorne. Let the North be it's own thing it's not worth the trouble.

Tyrion is technically still married to Sansa, too.

Never consummated.

Because the series needed a yaas kween and the other ones were all dead.

>every retard responding with "feudalism"
look up how coups and dirty wars work

This was a call for the midwest of the USA to balkanize. D&D are based

Because no other Lord is dumb enough to think there won't be another unification war a 100 or so years down the road so why bother leaving the obvious winning side?

Still they never divorced officially.

A united Westeros is not a natural thing, it was forged only by three dragons or a monarchy that held dragons. Without dragons there is no way a monarch who holds at most the crownlands and dragonstone can project real power anywhere without the loyalty of most major houses which means cucking to their whims and endless civil wars. Dragons are what made the united kingdoms, without it, its doomed end of story. Its for a reason westeros is the biggest country on the map

The only thing stopping another massive fuck off war from happening right after the other one stops is that Bronn and Gendry remaining alive. The second they are executed or overthrown (because Highborn Nobles aren't going to bow down to Jumped Up Peasants and Bastards) Everyone is going to go to shit, Grey Worm is going to turn his ass right around to get some revenge the second he hears the news.
Basically the second Gendry and Bronn Die everything goes to shit, again.

They have their own culture, economy and religion.
I'm sorry globalist education didn't teach you this in your public school.

How is Grey Worm even supposed to get more troops when he inevitably takes combat casualties in the field? Making more Unsullied is a 20 year process with lots of Material involved and I'm pretty sure the practice for creating them is a bit frowned upon amongst the ranks. And I'm pretty sure Dany outlawed it

>really fucking long winter incoming
>hurr better secede from the lands that have all the food

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God, she was cute then!

Nigger winter is fucking over. Others are dead and gone.

Wait so you be saying that the death of Night King means no more winter?
Get the fuck out

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Wtf are you talking about? Winter just started and they last for years

if there was even a hint of realistic poliitcs the reps for every other kingdom would've thrown a fit for not getting independence that easily

>rape their lands and reclaim its beauty
scotland wasnt conquered any more than england was, commoners in both kingdoms were always shti on. it wasnt another ireland with wars and famines etc, scotland provided a huge number of generals and politicians, scottish people chaired the bank of england.
when the two kingdoms united, it was the scottish king james the VI that took over both, then he wrote the bible for the english to follow

Did you not notice the green little plant growing beyond the wall? Winter is over now that the king is dead.

Literally only did this to make Sansa powerful and smart. Just like how she was much smarter than Littlefinger.

The Riverlands aren't a kingdom retards read the lore

Westeros kind of forgot that Winter was coming.

They're in. The North is out

It shouldn't. Race mixing destroys diversity!

because they have the coolest chant

It shouldn't. It's retarded and there is no reason they would stand for the weakest and most depopulated kingdom just seceding, nor should the northern lords who despise Sansa and chose her bastard brother over her allow her to rule over a fucking trueborn son of Ned Stark

They aren't independent, they just retained their royal style.

What does that have to do with him pretending that feudalism didn't happen?

>I like how he met Gray Worm executing prisoners, then he walked a long distance to the castle, then he climbed two thousand steps and he saw Gray Worm just standing there. What the fuck?
This bothered me as well.

when that happened I just assumed that the scenes weren't meant to be sequential, but looking back it straight up makes no fucking sense either way

That Sandra was the worst.

Yes and no. It's also Iceland and literally a fantasy land. It's not that literal and that's where undead and giants live. Spoopy shit, ya know?

It's even dumber when you think that the rightfull heir is Bran

the iron islands aren't part of the seven kingdoms

>i have no idea how feudal rule works
The crownlands had their own army also retard.

why do americans continue to amaze us european chads with their factually incorrect shitty opinions?
a-h was remarkably stable and would have continued to be stable had they not lost the war

>t. Baelon

All of the 7 Kingdoms were their own Kingdoms before the dragons, that's why they're called the 7 Kingdoms. Dorne specifically was independent even after the dragons because Aegon couldn't conquer them, and they were eventually brought in through marriage but allowed to still stay semi-autonomous.

It was a Kingdom before it was dismantled the the Kingdoms around them and conquered by the Ironborn, retard.
There are actually 9 Kingdoms, The North, The Iron Islands, The Riverlands, The Vale, The Crownlands, The Stormlands, The Westerlands, The Reach, and Dorne.

The starks were kings for THOUSANDS of years before the Targaryens came with their dragons. That only lasted 300 years? Whats 300 years compared to thousands?

Time is a flat circle.

>And the vale is literally fucking mountain passes, guerilla raiders and literally unpenetrable fortresses no one would want to invade, why don’t they go independent?

Because they're literally fucking mountain passes. They can't go independent. They are completely dependent on trade and commerce from other kingdoms. Do they have vast farmlands? No, so they need to trade ore/rocks for food. The north has everything it needs on it's own. Except for the whole surviving winter there thing. That's way more an issue for them.

this

>tbf the north has a cheeky saved-westeros-from-becoming-zombies card
Not if no one else cares.

>remarkably stable
>empire that dissolved into a series of ethnic wars Turner Diaries style right after WW1

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>Because they're literally fucking mountain passes.
>Do they have vast farmlands? No
It's called "The Mountain and the Vale". It isn't all mountain, you retard
>They can't go independent. They are completely dependent on trade and commerce from other kingdoms
You do realize that all of the kingdoms used to be independent, right? None of them need to rely on anyone else.

>a stark is declared ruler of the seven kingdoms
>need to stay independent because the north will never bend the knee to this stark so they can follow their own ruler, another stark
So this was basically just Sansa finding an excuse to be a ruler of something, right?

they aren't independent

who gives a shit about any of that other than nerds like you?

>killed his favorite sister
She was shot down by the Boltons of Dorne, the Ullers of Hellholt.
She lived on in a Hellholt rape dungeon

>The Vale has no farmland and can't go independent

"The Vale is located on the eastern shore of Westeros, a land of fertile soil, rivers, and lakes, protected by its largely impassable Mountains of the Moon."

Why do you think it's called The Vale, dumbfuck?

They hate Sansa, though

>It’s funny cause allowing the north to be independent would show the six kingdoms blatant favouritism by their new stark king and result in them all leaving as well

The North wasn't "allowed" to be independent. Danaerys died, there was no heir, the throne is gone, the ancient capitol is gone. The top lords now had no suzerain, they were already defacto independent. By choosing a new king they made their lands no longer independent. Any of the lords could have chosen to remain independent.

Sansa was smart enough to wait until everyone else said "Aye" so she could make a power play, and nobody else could do it as well without backtracking their "Aye".

She's a crafy one. Probably gonna be the cause of the next large war.

uhhh aktuallyyy the barrowlands were a kingdom before they were dismmantled by the starks it's actually 124321 kingdoms

you know why they call it the 7 kingdoms? Because it's made up of 7 Kingdoms.

>Bran dies
>Sansa claims the throne on the basis of her being Bran's rightful heir
chaosh... ish a ladda

>Any of the lords could have chosen to remain independent.
Unless the other lords said "No, you aren't independent"

>all the other lords were cucked by the political maneuver of "no take backs"
utterly based

>a quarter of the lords at the council are northmen
>they somehow get a vote when they aren't going to live underneath the king they vote for
>I'm supposed to believe that the northern lords, who chose her bastard brother over her, would allow her to rule over the rightful heir of Winterfell and Ned Stark's trueborn son
>Sansa, who is older than Brann, is going to outlive the Three Eyed Crow, whose predecessor lived to be nearly 200 years old and didn't die of natural causes

to be fair I think Bloodraven only lived so long because he was connected to the tree in the North and being tended to by the Children of the Forest.

same reason Israel was created out of Palestine. Enough died that people felt guilty.

If I'm Britain, and Napoleon conquers Spain, and then I roll up and stomp all of them, would everyone pretend Spain was never a kingdom because they weren't independent when a third party conquered it all?

unless Bran has kids, the head of Sansa's bloodline will be his rightful heir

Dorne and the Iron Isles would be the next to fuck off. The Reach and probably Dragonlands would dispose their "new rulers" and start doing their own thing as well seeing how weak the crown actually is.

That has nothing to do with the fact that Brann is still heir over Sansa.
Also since the Kingdom is now an elective monarchy, she wouldn't have much claim, and much less of a way to press said claim.

>Northerners wont bend the knee again to anyone, even if the new king is Ned Starks true heir. We will be our own independant nation.
Goes home
>Bend the knee you twats, I'm your Queen now.

>implying Bran isn't going to plug into a new tree before he dies and have a new castle built at the god's eye

Sansa had nothing important to do all season so they thought this would be a good substitute

you do realise none of those ethnicities had a way to rebel under austrian and hungarian dominion?
they would have been magyarised or germanised and the World would have been better for it

>doesn't even have the right crown
Gods, I hate Sansa

>THE BOX
>I CHOOSE THE MYSTERY BOX

So how is Gendry still going to be Lord of the Stormlands? Daenarys was the one who legitimized him that they deposed.

Joffrey was a couple hundred years ahead. Without Cersei he could've been a great ruler.

user, you are still using that fucking brain. We told you to stop like what, 20 times?

Because Skyrim belongs to the Nords

>none of those ethnicities had a way to rebel under austrian and hungarian dominion?
except that one serbian guy who started WW1 by shooting the archduke

different culture, different ethnicity, different religion, different geography and climate

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It depends if the horses are chill or not. Typically going behind a horse and they don’t expect it can be a swift kick in the cunt for you. Was always told to never go behind em when we were young.

Having said that, I recently pushed a horse easily out of the way to get its bucket.

t. Horsefag

>Unless the other lords said "No, you aren't independent"

Then they can try to march an army through The Neck and die in the swamps. But why would they?

/norf/

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She's never had good sex in her life. How can she hope to rule?

Spain wouldn't be a kingdom anymore then would it mutt
There is literally a real life example without coming up with some retarded hypothetical I'll give you three guesses.

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>It's not that literal and that's where undead and giants live
So, Scotland.

>Then they can try to march an army through The Neck and die in the swamps
That only worked when they weren't facing the other 8 Kingdoms by themselves. They are horribly depopulated, plus they can use their magically numerous when needed ships to go around The Neck.
>But why would they?
Because they would either fight to keep the realm which they have a vested interest in strong, or all break apart together.

Literally the only thing that makes the land beyond the wall Scotland is the wall.
Grum is a hack who puts together his world by stealing from fiction and real life but not giving his theft any significance by arranging it in any meaningful way.
It's worldbuilding fingerpainting.

Because they're the only one that wants to?

That's a pretty shitted example since Great Britain considered themselves to be the ruler of three kingdoms
Also, you really want to die on this hill? Spain ceases to exist because someone conquered them 50 years before someone else did? Despite the fact that they maintain a cultural identity and a separate lordship from the first nation that conquered them?

What’s the big deal about fire and blood? Government is literally only the monopolization of violence. It was fire and blood that created the 7 kingdoms and brought in 300 years of prosperity. Alexander the Great revolutionized the world spreading culture and civilization by the sword. He, like Dany burned cities to the ground. Dany would have united the world under one banner. She would have ended slavery.

Dany is my queen.

She did nothing wrong.

Under her reign the petty fights between little lords would have came to an end. The old world order would never die quietly. It needs to burn down.

Now after winter fell gains independence, why shouldn’t the other kingdoms get the same? Jon has only issued a new era of civil conflict. If the clash of Kong’s was bad, you got another thing coming.

Whats you point, there 5 times more examples of multiple kingdom ruled by one king, thats the definition of empire you dumb fuck

Well, it's actually pretty close to what the Roman idea of Scotland was. There was a time when they thought the region was way larder than it actually was

>Dany would have united the world under one banner
Valyria literally had thousands of dragons and was way more technologically advanced, and yet they didn't conquer the world.
Anyone who actually thinks Dany can conquer the world with one dragon isn't thinking things through. She couldn't even conquer the Summer Isles with their OP special wood longbow spam

>Jon kills the woman who just conquered Westeros
>Bran becomes King
I dunno, user, maybe because the Starks fucking won? They totally come out on top and they get to have a King of the six kingdoms, a Queen in the north and a King Beyond the Wall. This is why GRRM was going to call the last book A Time for Wolves originally.

They didn't go there because there was nothing of note. It wasn't worth the bureaucratic cost.
It was easier to build a massive fucking wall than to reason with the local tribes.

The point is Wales is not a kingdom in the uniteed kingdoms because they weren't a kingdom when they united

are you dense?

They're sick of dealing with the crowns bullshit

Because fuck Dany
Fuck Danyfags
Fuck Jannies
and last but not least fuck anyone who isn't NORF

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So the dothraki and unsullied just don't give a shit that their queen was assassinated? They totally glossed over that bit and it seemed retarded as hell to me.

technically Jon should be Kahl of the Great Grass Sea now

I was gonna make a thread like this, but with subject:
>Characters who never got their comeuppance.

>Betray an oath
>Get your brother as king, and a queendom of your own as a result
She totally out-schemed Littlefinger.

In the eyes of the northeners, Bran is the male heir to the Stark lordship, and that's that.

And why does her crown look like snake dragons?

>They aren't independent
The SIX kingdoms.

He lost ~95% of his 'men' against the NK, then aother 10% against the lanisters, its only logical he still has +80% of the unsullied...

In literally what world? Dany was madly jealous of her because her people would die for Sansa.

>Implying that the Ironborn won't raid the North now that they are independent and therefore are not protected by the crown
>Implying that Dorne and Iron Islands are not going to declare independence literally tomorrow

They did go there, multiple times, but each time they pulled out after only a few years and razed their forts because the legions were needed elsewhere.

No, the Dothraki were Dany's bloodriders, they're literally sworn to kill whoever kills Dany.

Her death should've resulted in a near apocalyptic raping and destruction of the kingdoms. No one else can speak dothraki, and they'll fuck up all of Dany's enemies and Jon before killing themselves to join her in the afterlife

Why would they give a shit about the lineages and "who should technically rule" bull shit. They didn't follow her for those reasons. Why would they suddenly respect those reasons now?

"Bran" is probably going to live for hundreds of years. When Sansa dies and seemingly can't have any heirs (easily something the 3ER can manipulate), who does Winterfell and the North pass to? He agreed to their independence so readily because he's playing the long game and knows the North will peacefully be brought back into the fold in a few decades anyway.

>Its ok when Rob Stark does it!
literally have sex

Arya did something similar.

unironically this
>in the prescence of all the representatives of the 7 kingdoms
>they name you king
>immediately allow the one represented by your sister to be independant

It WAS retarded as hell. That;s why the writers skipped those scenes.

When did Robb refuse to follow the true head of the Stark family?

He was totally right about Daenerys in that scene with Tywin and not just because of the dragons. Tywin can waste time and money calling the best metal smith in the world to make a sword for his cripple son but he can't send an assassin or two to take care of a threat no matter how small it may be?

>ROB DINDU NUFFIN! KING INDA NORF
you literally cant defend him wanting the north to be independent. just like you cant have sex

REPRESENTS EUROPE AND NORTH AMERICA IN THE NEW WORLD ORDER.

It wasn't Robb's idea, it was the idea of all of his vassals, and he just went with it. Besides Robb only did it because the last two kings were complete tyrants, and he couldn't justify backing Stannis or Renly. He didn't just randomly ask for it after they all agreed on a King they could all be satisfied with.

What after Bran? Imagine being norf lad and your next king might be a faggot like little Sam. Nuh uh.

Weren't the Iron Islands already independent? How did Bran even have the authority to appoint the Greyjoy girl to rule them?

>something something kinda forgot about something.

Ireland you idiot.

>They didn't go there because there was nothing of note. It wasn't worth the bureaucratic cost.
Yes, and? The same is true for the land North of the Wall.
That doesn't change that initially they believed that Caledonia was much larger than it actually was

Former rancher here, I kept thinking "dude, you're gonna get kicked in the ribs" every time he did that, but I suppose Hollywood horses (and military horses) are trained not to flinch

Then why is "Prince of Wales" one of their titles?
Checkmate, athiests

Why are you just repeating yourself? Dorne was not independent, they were just allowed to retain their royal style.

>In literally what world?
The one where she orchestrated everything with the hope of being queen and the lords named a bastard king instead in a heartbeat
>Dany was madly jealous of her because her people would die for Sansa.
She was jealous of Jon. All Sansa did was keep nagging that the North wouldn't accept Dany.

who gives a shit. all that matters is everyone else is gonna be pissed they're paying taxes to a stark in a wheel chair while his whore sister rules the north independently

Show little finger but not really

The reason is that D&D realized they killed off or ruined just about every strong female character and they needed to have something to appease the 'slay queen' crowd.

>The North was it's own kingdom for tens of thousands of years, and only bent the knee to dragons 300 years earlier
So was everyone else you mongoloid
>While places like the Riverlands and the Iron Islands, and the Reach and Dorne, and Vale and the Riverlands, and the Stormlands and the Reach, are all intertwined in each other's histories.
No more than The North fucked around in the Riverlands and The Vale

The north was the only region who didn't shit it's pants when Aegon appeared. In fact, it lasted years fighting Aegon and it's dragons and only lost because someone betrayed them making the king in the north brother get captured

>so when he dies

The last three eyed crow became a wizard at the age of 40 and lasted centuries only aging about 20years. Imagine how long a young and way more powerful wizard like Bran can live

WHY ISN'T SHE WEARING ROBB'S CROWN? REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

They did save everyone's ass multiple times, also they've been harping on about it since season 1. One the least dumb plot points imo.

No it didn't, Torrhen bent the knee the minute Aegon showed up with his dragons

literally this

>Every region had their own distinct army which only answered to the ruling house anyways
you mean exactly like actual history for 100s of years

horses respond to your energy, you're just a scared faggot and horses hate faggots

>Stormlands probably follows soon after since Gendry is an unknown with no alliances or men loyal to him.
Gendry's father was still Bobby B. I would think he'd be in one of the strongest positions.

lmao what?

>Ignores the point
I was saying Robb never turned against his own family, at least.

what are you talking about the North surrendered without even fighting like a bunch of cucks. It was Dorne that resisted Aegon.

>How did Bran even have the authority to appoint the Greyjoy girl
Huh? She was already there as head of the islands. She's the only Greyjoy left, that we know of.

I'll argue they earned it by single handedly stopping the night king and his army

>single-handedly
except that they had the entire Vale army helping them

Because it's a PRINCipality.

>Dany became loveable
>Emilia is a qt in real life
>arya and sansa became insufferable mary sues
>Their real life actors are acting like sluts
Really makes you think.

>I am sorry, but why should the north be the only independent region from the crown?
I suppose that they figured that the Six Kingdoms would be better off together because they've been fucking decimated. The North is mostly intact aside from military losses and damaged castles.

That's a royal style

Are you trying to be ironic or something? The North is the most devastated region in Westeros

>I suppose that they figured that the Six Kingdoms would be better off together because they've been fucking decimated. The North is mostly intact aside from military losses and damaged castles.

Dorne and The Vale were completely unscathed. The Westerlands and Stormlands were mostly untouched despite their manpower loses. The only place that was devastated was mainly The Riverlands.

Realistically the 7 Kingdoms would have just fragmented right then and there. Maybe weak Edmure might have sworn fealty to another lord for safety, maybe Sansa, who'd also probably have the support of the Arynns.

>But all those allies would be much more useful if north stayed in 7 kingdoms, so they can have some actual influence
Yes, but then the starks would lose a lot of respect from their allies inside the north.
The starks remembered the promise of an independent north AND they've gained control of the 7 kingdoms, they're taking as much of a win as they can.

there's a shot of some grass poking up from the snow right at the ending

Winter's over

>pretending that the Northmen would prefer Sansa and one Kingdom over a trueborn son of Ned Stark and 7 Kingdoms
Please stop

The only reason the lords would swear fealty to a new line of kings is if there was an outside threat. There is none, so all the family would want to have no new king above them, thus weakening their houses.

The North, Riverlands and The Vale would form a power bloc due to their kinship and proximity. Westerlands would go to Tyrion, who would try to be on good terms with everyone, especially Bronn in The Reach. That is, until Bronn is murdered by a conspiracy of Reach lords.

That's a better assessment.

>Independence is more important than power?
I agree with you. Most of the Lords would probably love it if they could dominate the continent.
>And if you think about it, it'd give them a way to constantly keep the Starks on the throne.

It was beautiful
It was beautiful
It was beautiful
It was beautiful
It was beautiful
Not as beautiful as actual rape
A place of beauty.

>ah, a council of all the great houses!
>yes yes brienne of tarth, glad you're here
>oh sumfuk from the vale! Indeed!
>hmm? rando from the stormlands? Yes, well deserved.
>unnamed dorne prince! Now that's a man with history
>no reachers? Oh of course they were all wiped out.
>ironbabbies! They are the greatest of houses, not a small and irrelevant group of faggots at all.

D&D simply stopped caring about any logic on traveling and distances seasons ago, characters just started teleporting when needed. Arya was the worst case by far

>t. brainlet

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>With what ships is Bran gonna take back the Iron Islands without starting off as a despot?
do you really think the iron islands are self-sufficient?
All Bran needs to do is cut off their trade routes.

>sumfuk from the Vale
Robin Arryn is a major lord. It makes perfect sense he'd be there.

So much this. This is bad fanfic teir garbage.

>he doesn't know there was another vale lord there
did you kind of like, not watch the scene or...?

I stopped watching this shit show years ago. But I couldn't help but tune in last night. I felt really sorry for the dragon. I wonder where he went and what he did with the body. Did anyone else think the whole thing was anticlimactic?

Do you mean Bronze Yohn? He's Robin Arryn's right hand. It makes sense he'd be there too. Not that he'd get his own vote though.

>he didn't watch the scene
>didn't see the random vale lord
how?

Literally which random Vale lords? The random extras? How do you know he was from the Vale?

The Iron Islands have also been independent for 6 seasons. Why does the crown control them all of a sudden?

>literally showing a map of Ireland independent from the United Kingdom

Go back to eating paste.

Robin Arryn is a half-retarded man-baby who spent the war sucking his mom's tits and playing with birds. His number 1 saving grace is his physical location; the Eyrie is a highly defensible castle and the Vale as a region is equally defensible and self-sufficient. He can afford to go full-isolationist and just wait all this shit out or never talk to anyone ever again, attacking the Vale would be costly and stupid.

Jesus, can you imagine having such a comfy situation? High up in the mountains where nobody can bug you, just tune the whole world out, ride through your scenic fertile mountain valleys, etc.

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>doesn't pay attention to the show he watches
>tries to be a badass irreverent smart ass anyway

Please for the love of god, hit the weights, get a clue and have sex

why not just point out which vale lord you're talking about or admit you were just making shit up

you don't just ignore succession laws for no reason

>>pretending that the Northmen would prefer Sansa and one Kingdom over a trueborn son of Ned Stark and 7 Kingdoms
>Please stop
think of it like this, while Bran is on the throne they can easily influence the south, if he dies and someone from a southern house gets elected then they have an excuse not to follow them, if someone from a northern house is elected then they can continue to influence the south.

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The North can never be elected again you retard, they aren't part of the united kingdom.