Civilizations and even the houses in GoT exist for thousands of years, where is the technology? Why do they still live like in fucking medieval times? They should be ltierally even more advanced than we are.
>b-because sometimes they get attacked by dragons and there are orcs
That would just propel them to advance technologically. There is always the biggest technology boom during wars. It's selective pressure.
unregular seasons and extreme decades lasting winters kills all ability for stability and progress
the valyrians before the doom by all acoounts had some pretty neat magic shit going on
In GoT Georgie boy said gunpowder just straight up doesn't exist
>where is the technology
Humanity existed for like 100,000 years before the year 1800.
Where was all the technology?!
Actually GRRM explains that, it's pretty much exaggeration and noble propaganda.
European nobility also claimed inane shit, like being descendants of Moses and stuff like that.
There are some issues with GRRMs world but that one isn't.
GoT is low fantasy
>average American dinner
Wildfire would be a more than adequate substitute for gunpowder, if not considerably more effective than early smokeless powders.
Thoroughly recorded human history started some 5000 years ago. Higher technology only came in in the last 200 years.
We have houses much older than even the oldest in Game of Thrones. Merovingians, the chinese and japanese houses, the persian Shahs existed for thousands of years.
Are you really this retarded?
>high fantasy
>got and lotr
No
>Aliens took it away to suppress us.
Civilizations and even the houses in GoT exist for thousands of years, where is the technology?
Heard of China? They did FUCKALL after creating paper thousands of years ago.
The long winters resets society. They develop up to a point and then the long winter fucks them up.
If Europe hadn't made huge technological progress in the Renaissance, it's likely the rest of the world would still live in a relatively similar state as back then.
>unregular seasons and extreme decades lasting winters kills all ability for stability and progress
It doesn't kill it, it slows it down, but not so much that it would explain still living like medieval hobos after 10.000 years, lmao.
Stop being such brainlets.
They would at the VERY LEAST (AT THE FUCKING VERY LEAST) have some guns.
High fantasy is more lmao-just-turn-your-brain-off tier than capeshit.
fucking kek you are such a brainlet holy shiiiiiit
Do you not know what a civilization is? They are already civilized in GoT for thousands of years, and especially in LotR.
lol, this isn't a sufficient explanation at all, you drooling zombie of a brainlet.
the most developed part of America was in the Chalcolithic in the XVI century, some places of Africa aren't even there today ....
Yes. And not even the point.
Care to explain how? Take your time. I'm here for a while.
Most people in GoT and LotR seem to be high-IQ, not Africans. Literally every main character in GoT has through-the-roof verbal skills and contextual reasoning.
Why? I literally told you that's what European nobility did HISTORICALLY. Swedes literally invented kings for example.
>still the only franchise that got high fantasy right
>it's a game
Not for 100.000 years with people running around that have an IQ of today's scientists (which like every GoT character has, apparently).
Can't you just admit it's flawed? I'm not even saying they should have flying cars... Just...something more.
Are you doubting the legitimacy of the Solomonic Bloodlines? In my country you would be stoned for that, cur.
Ha ha they don't have smartphones ! DING!
>They would at the VERY LEAST (AT THE FUCKING VERY LEAST) have some guns.
This. I can't suspend enough disbelief to enjoy these larp homo fantasy shows.
That timeline isn't accurate, and is half twisted with mythology. The timeline of westeros matches with the timeline of Earth's high middle ages. That's the answer.
>100,000 years
You do understand GoT internal chronology is also flawed, and writer himself says so?
Again, it looks weird to you in 21st century, but that's how it was in actual history, and GRRM made it a part of his world.
As I said there are quite some flaws with his world but that detail is not one of them.
No it isn't. It's high fantasy.
>liquid propellant should work fine
thanks for outing yourself as a retard.
why didn't the romans have pistols, they had all the tech and selective pressure?
Whig history supporters like OP are the dumbest niggers ever.
Why? Why are you predestined to discover gunpowder? What is inevitable about gunpowder?
>That timeline isn't accurate
Accurate enough to say it's bs
Electricity does.
Nah, my nigger, nothing matches, OP actually makes a point. Westeros is at least 8000 years old and is around since the Age of Heroes, they built walls, had an infrastructure, houses, currency; you come up with shit in 8000 years.
In Lord of the Rings some elf countries are literally over 100,000 years old and all they accomplished was making their architecture super squiggly.
But not 8000 years
Dude, gunpowder isn't exactly scarce. And they could use alternatives. At least make guns that shoot pebbles or something.
high fantasy just means it isn't set on a version of earth mate
Some people unironically defend everything.
lol, sure it is pal.
>Nah, my nigger, nothing matches, OP actually makes a point. Westeros is at least 8000 years old and is around since the Age of Heroes, they built walls, had an infrastructure, houses, currency; you come up with shit in 8000 years.
Again, that's just how their ''history'' goes. That's not reality. I think even a character in the book points out at one point that their ''history'' is full of knights from periods when knighthood didn't even exist and shit like that.
>In Lord of the Rings some elf countries are literally over 100,000 years old and all they accomplished was making their architecture super squiggly.
I don't know much about LoTR to comment on that. I thought it was several thousand years?
>very close fantasy version of the accursed kings, a historical novel series based on the 100 years war
>HURRR WHY THEY NO HAVE GUNS???
imagine being this much of an incel
>alvis was the matrix all along
yeah, no
Being a pseud like OP is fundamentally for brainlets. Being 16 and realizing something that you think is a totally epic clap back against pop culture is really not a good look for oofs sake. That's a huge yikes from me.
The Egyptian civilization existed for like 3000 years before Alexander and the Romans came through. They were more ancient to the Romans than the Romans are to us, and yet other than iron and ride-able horses there weren't any major technological advances in these millennia.
Just because our post-steel pre-gunpowder age was relatively short doesn't mean it's a given for any human civilization to advance that fast.
ITT OP tries to make himself look smart and falls apart in the process
>there weren't any major technological advances in these millennia
That's not true user. Read more on Egyptian civilization. But yes, once they reached a certain level they kinda stagnated, despite being relatively wealthy society.
Third Age Middle-earth is post-apocalyptic. At the end of the Second Age Numenorians were full blown steampunk.
Naturally Tolkien's fat incompetent American pretender gives no reason as to why technology hadn't progressed in 10,000 years but Tolkien himself did. Faggot.
in universe there is no gun powder. The only form of propellant we have seen is wildfire and liquid propellant isn't exactly usable for firearms. Thousands of years ago the first men fought the CoF (magic), Andals (steel), and then they all fought the targs (dragon). What about any of these major historical events necessitates the creation of firearms. I know you are just here to shit post but you should actually think about these things if you are going to try and persuade people.
For starters, liquid propellants do work even if they are relatively impractical to transport and store. Also there's an obvious solution to the issue of storage for liquids in the field.
>soak paper or fibers in wildfire
>use as propellant
What's it like being retarded?
I'll say it again: it wasn't 8000 years. That timeline is twisted with mythology. Don't over think this: GRRM talks about westeros as medieval times very explicitly. That's the answer. Shut the fuck up you stupid pseudo nerd.
>unironically dissecting the narrative of a show about magical medieval wars
Egyptian civilization actually declined in technological prowess as time went on. Great pyramids and Sphinx (originally Anubis) were built at least 12-20,000 years ago. All of the smol pyramids that Egypt as we know it built were pale imitations.
We also had maps of Antarctica and south America from 5,000 BC. Accurate to before European discovery and the land covered by ice as well.
Well asking for some internal consistency is not autistic. But people are pointing out wrong things in GRRMs work.
It's actually pretty solid and rich world. If a bit too grimdark for my taste.
they have been plenty of tests on liquid propellants and no country uses them in fire arms. The us military didn't even start looking into the idea until 1990, but somehow you are expecting a medieval kingdom who doesn't even use canons to somehow create a firearm. Cut the pseud bullshit and actually use your brain.
The long winters aren't THAT bad. And only affect the Riverlands and all upwards from there.
Our Earth had worse. Plagues lasting for decades, Mongols, Huns, decimating the populations to nothing.
Devastating monsoon seasons... everlasting famines.
It’s pretty explicit that the Elves are against technological advancement on principle. As for ASOIAF, it’s a different world. How do you know they even have access to the ores required to invent things like gunpowder?
Hey Africa, why haven't you invented irrigation, electricity, the wheel and guns yet? Come on, you've existed for like omg ages!
You're fucking retarded mate, how long do you think humans had civilisations before we got electricity and gunpowder. Its longer than 10000 years
So what?
The ancient Greeks were pretty smart and eloquent, yet they didn't have computers and space lasers either.
Elves aren't about tech they're about songs merriment and nature. It's threads like these that shine a light on why pop culture is shit
Yeah but it’s clear that the people in GoT have a pretty high g factor.
Just don't think about it, dude. :)
What the fuck would Elves need technology for? They live on easy mode. They have magic, they don't get sick, their population decreases faster than it increases, they avoid fighting as much as possible. They don't have to worry about medicine, increasing crop yields, expansion, or warfare. Men have those concerns because men die.
>lol, this isn't a sufficient explanation at all, you drooling zombie of a brainlet.
Ever heard of Geoffrey of Monmouth?
>they have been plenty of tests on liquid propellants and no country uses them in fire arms.
Because ones effective enough to justify the added complexity over solid explosives don't exist in our world. The military doesn't replace tried and true systems with proven history of working with new complex ones unless they have considerable benefits. If magic exploding liquid existed and was easy enough to produce in quantities that could level a city it would have been used in every way solid explosives were if it was the only available option. Even if it's impractical for small arms, it's perfectly usable in siege or fixed weaponry where are also conspicuously absent.
>Cut the pseud bullshit and actually use your brain.
Ironic considering your entire argument is "hurr it won't work despite there being nothing to indicate that it won't work just trust me dude."
lol
This pursuit of suppression of disbelief is only needed to fuel the viewer's escapistic desires. An actual valuable piece of art doesn't need to have its factual side of the plot (fabula) to make perfect sense, that's simply never the point, that's what I meant. So if it's just an escapistic product, is it really worth spending your time figuring out how thoroughly thought through its logic is? Dude just turn off your brain.
I can't say you're wrong, but my whole point is that some internal consistency leads to better works.
>A Clash of Kings, Chapter 20, Tyrion V.
You don't even understand the fake substance you are trying to argue about. Go have a read before you google anymore. I know you want to pretend that you are a really smart rational individual who isn't entertained by fantasy, but just understand that wildfire is not the same thing as gunpowder and that liquid propellants aren't used in firearms for a reason.
You could also ask, why the holograms in Star Wars are on a stand still for the entirety of the saga. They have shit visual quality and interferences. And they aren't even in colour! They are fucking blue.
Why aren't fluid propellants used?
I do agree, but this more so applies to things like GoT, capeshit and other flicks, flicks you shouldn't think too hard about, in my opinion.
GoT isn't high fantasy, and you should probably kill yourself for putting it in the same category as LoTR.
>and that liquid propellants aren't used in firearms for a reason
And the reason isn't that they don't work, it's that there are better alternatives. If those alternatives don't exist guess what becomes the best option?
given the existence of maesters this makes even less sense.
They have used them succesfully in big guns like on ships but logistically solid propellant is safer and easier. in small guns, especially as described by the guy in support of it would be a terrible idea with wildfire or any volatile liquid that must be carried with all soldiers. It doesn't make since in our world and it makes less sense in the fantasy world of ASOIAF.
where are all the greek fire guns?
It s probably another universe where electrical circuits don't work but some other magic does. It's not neseccarily low iq.
Presumably flamethrowers and tax policy can't exist in the same universe.
tyrion changed an entire battle plan behind the back of the queen because of the hazards of wildfire being used by normal infantry.
based and taxpilled
There's no theoretical basis for technology to just "happen" given an arbitrary period of time.
Not really. The maesters are a very conservative, if not reactionary, guild who are primarily concerned with preventing the dissemination of scientific knowledge amongst the masses. Also look at how Sam and Qyburn are kicked out for trying to advance the medical sciences.
It's not as if gunpowder wasn't dangerous to handle and store, especially on ships made of wood where the only light sources available were oil lamps. That didn't stop European navies from doing it for hundreds of years using sailors that were largely forced conscripts.
>LOTR
reintroduction of ancestral european myths suffused with christian tonality to create a powerful, timeless, Jungian story that dovetails quite nicely with tolkien's good english prose
on a scale of very hungary catterpillar to brothers karamazov, it's a solid 7.
>GOT
derivative mess of tropes, at once new age and yet already outdated and trite. tries to subvert those tropes through "realistic" storytelling which just takes the Jungian power out of the story and turns it into a medieval soap opera. mediocre genre fiction, 4/10
>Where was all the technology?!
Before the sinking of Atlantis, Humanity lived United. Then the Jews opened up a portal to another dimension, using the blood sacrifice of extremely rare blancos they had kept for that specific purpose.
>fundametnally
How come Alex Jones never talks about Atlantis? He's right about everything else. Needs to have a crossover JRE with Graham Hancock
>Old wildfire is 'fickle'; any flame or spark can set them off. Too much heat—such as being exposed to sunlight for even a short time—could lead to a fire. Once the fire begins, the heat makes the wildfire explode violently, which can lead to a vast chain reaction. The more volatile jars of wildfire are transported from place to place only by night, in carts filled with sand to lessen jostling at all, and then sealed in wax and placed in rooms pumped full of water.
it wouldn't work
People who argue for realism never seem to have any knowledge of reality.
And many of them exploded. It was a common thing for vessels to spontaneously explode.
Fire was the killer number one for ages. Up until the 1900s the number one cause of death for women was burning. Catching their dresses on fire while doing housework.
did you know that because the fucking sahara went dry several human settlements went obliterated and it was until the egiptians rise up civilization went up again? and that was ONE example
Clearly it's not so unstable that it can't be moved or carried at all. Thoros carried some around with him to light up his sword. You only need to move a single shots worth from whatever magazine it's being stored in to the cannons at a time.
Some of them exploded, but obviously it wasn't so common that it was remotely prohibitive to using gunpowder cannons on ships. It's a question of risk vs reward and in this case the potential reward of having the most powerful siege weapon ever devised would be massive.
here the multiple moons?
or beast that can give dragons a run for his money?
or real dragons (GOT ones was fucking wyvens)?
or xianxia-tier of people who wrestling with said dragons as a regular base?
or sages capable to move continents with a mere snap but they don't do that (san few weirdos) because they're the definition of nerds
or a literal overflow of fucking magic by all means?
Why didn't women just do their housework in the nude?
Christian morality and bacon grease nipple burns.
Again:
Why did it take us thousands of years to come up with simple tech like light bulbs and combustion engines? Why did we use shitty bows for thousands of years and some civilised idiots are still fawning over them and using them to hunt animals instead of using a HK?
Why did it take us thousands of years to discover antiseptics?
Game of Thrones would be scratching at the door of the Renaissance. The Age of Heroes would fall into Akhenaten's time. Fits perfectly well.
The Targs came in let's say 1100, when our world had it's most devastating holy war.
Don't be such an imbecile
Because they didn't shave, so their 4ft pubes would have burned and if you think that that is better than burning wool, you never smelled burnt hairs.
Besides, pubes and other body hair were a valuable resource. You could trade with it. A bushel of pubes could get you through the winter
There's nothing immoral about your wife being nude in her own home. Same with daughters.
Not all cultures lead to techno-industrial society. For instance the Native Americans had existed for just as long as the Europeans, but simply never industrialized for various reasons that would be too hard to explain in one post. There is no default trajectory for human societies, so there's no reason to think that one that doesn't even exist on earth would develop just like Europe.
They literally have teleportation devices, portable cloaking devices, hyper-realistic holograms, pin-point accurate GPSs.
>Game of Thrones would be scratching at the door of the Renaissance.
No shit, it's a fantasy retelling of the Wars of the Roses by which time the cannon was firmly established as the premier siege weapon in Europe.
that's clearly a UK pizza though
If I saw that thing here in NJ I would kindly take you on a tour of my favorite pizza places you fucking pizza shit
No it wasn't. And even if? What would it matter? Japan didn't use gunpowder until the first world war. They got completely obliterated when the Westerners came and tore through their samurais.
Unless there is a NEED for tech evolution, there won't be any. All the seven kingdoms and Essos use similar tech, so there is no imbalance or need to upgrade. The wildlings however complain about bad weapons, so they steal from the Night's Watch or from the Thenns who are able to work with bronze.
We don't know what will happen in the books, but when the dragons came, Qyburn quickly managed to invent new weapons that did just fine taking out dragons.
Evolution wont happen if there is no need for it. That's why there are still fish in the sea and not all of them left the water to evolve into "higher beings". They do just fine in their environment. As do the Westerosi.
>japan didn't use gunpowder until the first world war
Do you people actually believe the shit you spew without any notion that it could be factually wrong?
>No it wasn't.
Are you retarded? Stone shot firing cannons were in widespread use by the 15th century for sieging castles.
>Japan didn't use gunpowder until the first world war.
So you are retarded. Japan used imported firearms from the Portuguese extensively as early as the 16th century.
>Unless there is a NEED for tech evolution
You mean like seiging castles which was the impetus for the use of cannons in Europe and is perfectly mirrored in GoT?
>NJ
>good Pizza
God, NJ really is just the pathetic armpit of NY. Everything you are is just a bad version of NY
>Japan didn't use gunpowder until the first world war
Are you fucking stupid user?
That's one opinion on the subject.
This whole tread reeks of people who just need to read a fucking book. Technological development isn't a linear progression like it is in your brainlet Yea Forums portrays. Anatomically modern humans have been around for at least 200,000 years, and the earliest civilizations appeared roughly 10,000 years ago.
Not to mention perceived medieval stasis was actual historical thing. Before archeology came about in the latter half of the 18th century, our historical perspective was limited. This is demonstrated in medieval and early modern art, where figures from biblical and classical history are depicted in fashion and with weapons are armor contemporary to that of the artist.
Do I even need to keep talking about pizza? You know that's not a wise comparison. You would be nothing but hipsters and cucks without north NJ commuting in to make you look good.
The best parts of NY commute from upstate, not NJ you pathetic cockroach. Including the pizza and art culture. All of it comes from upstate.
>B-but where's muh technological progress?!?!
Shut the fuck up, Reddit. Nobody gives a shit.
Lord of the rings has actual mythos. The gods kept fighting and destroy the world. Also magic. When magic plays a role in the world you live in, you probably develop in another direction.
The would explain why Africans still live in houses made out of cow shit without intervention of whites
But technology doesnt always evolve linearly. The romans knew how to make and build with concrete for example, which was then lost for a thousand or so years until we "discovered" it again. There are even signs that a very simple steam engine was developed by the romans, to also be lost when rome fell.