Fucks his wife on their wedding night

I wish I'd consumed her ass

Drogo actually asks for consent in the books, surprisingly.

not enough victimology porn for the self-sabotaging leftist crazies the show is targeting

have sex

so if your wife ties you up when you're sleeping and rear-ends you with a 9 inch strapon for 3 hours then you would just take it because you consented to it?

do you think that's the problem that's happening? that husbands are refusing to be sodomized by their wives? do you realize that objection by means of fringe exceptions means you agree in the general?

it's not a problem, which is why you don't give a shit about it. the purpose of the fringe exception was to exemplify that your way of thinking is inherently selfish. if rape within marriage only matters when it's happening to you, then you're basically saying there should be a double standard for when rape is acceptable and when it's not. either concede that you have no problem with your wife violently raping you with a dildo or admit that you have an inherent bias against women.

>Depends, “marital rape” is not considered rape in a large majority of us states. Not sure about abroad.
Now tell us about some other laws you remember hearing something about on a TV show when you were a kid.

>sansa I'm so sorry you suffered at the hands of ramsay
What did Ramsay actually do to her? He raped her on her wedding night? Is there a single woman to whom that doesn't happen? She at least got to be fucked with a friend in the room.
Meanwhile Jeyne Poole:
>is forced to work in a brothel for years after eddard tries his dumbass power play
>is dressed up in stark clothes and sent off to marry ramsay
>ramsay beats and rapes her and also lets his dogs use her, plans on cutting off one of her feet so she's more obedient
>gets a rib broken by theon when they escape
>loses her nose to frostbite

>the purpose of the fringe exception was to exemplify that your way of thinking is inherently selfish
only if you think holding someone to the terms they contractually agreed to is selfish. and no one agrees by contract of marriage to sodomize one another, which you do not contest. therefore it seems to me that you have a problem with women's moral agency to enter into contracts for themselves.

Its heavily implied he put it in her butt.

so rape is fine but anal rape isn't? how convenient

no one said rape is fine. i said that a husband can no more rape his wife than you can murder your refrigerator.

you are correct that unnatural, uncanny acts like sodomy are not covered under this contract. i will also remind you that if your best is pointing to fringe, outside exceptions then you are conceding in the general.

can you explain why marital rape isn't a crime in your opinion? what if your wife wants to have a glass of water and you instead hold her down and rape her? aren't you withholding her freedom from her? what if it's causing physical pain for her? isn't that assault?

it doesn't seem like there is much reason behind your statements. it's almost as if you don't view women as people at all

>bran leaves his council to figure out how to rule the country while he goes back to his room to watch all the rape in essos

>what if your wife wants to have a glass of water and you instead hold her down and rape her?
based

>agree to contract that includes sex at any time
>get upset when you are held to this contract

could you quote me where it says that on marriage law?

>what if your wife wants to have a glass of water and you instead hold her down and rape her?
Congratulations to the guy you're arguing with, he has trolled you into saying some truly retarded shit

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this confused me for such a long time. like how did they think this whole marriage thing was gonna happen?

I spoke to my rabbi, you can't rape your wife, especially if she's not Jewish.

In the Bible, which I'm sure you've never voluntarily read in your life

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Wondering what the point of her is. Maybe she'll be useful in the future with her being arya so real arya can successfully be anyone else without people knowing but she's probably just going to be a prop for theons development

you're looking for things that don't happen, have never happened, and never will happen, because men are good people and naturally accommodative to women, whichshould be self-evident from your day-to-day life. even now you yourself are acting in accommodation to women in much the same way 99.9% of men would if confronted with my same assertion. the modern sexless marriage is itself evidence that wives are in no danger at all of being assaulted by their husbands.

rape and assault ARE crimes, so it is not my position that they are not, rather that some things which are classified and treated as such should not be. the reason is because a contract of marriage includes the consent to sexual union, in fact it is the primary clause of the contract. obviously a person should be held to a contract to which they agreed, when the other person is also holding up their end of the bargain, which in this case may be as little as the willingness to engage in sexual intercourse.

the reason i am "focusing on women" here is because in 99% of cases of marital frigidity it is the wife's refusal to participate in sexual union, not husbands. to grant legislative justification for this egregious cruelty is the utmost evil.

7 Now for the matters you wrote about: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” 2 But since sexual immorality is occurring, each man should have sexual relations with his own wife, and each woman with her own husband. 3 The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. 4 The wife does not have authority over her own body but yields it to her husband. In the same way, the husband does not have authority over his own body but yields it to his wife. 5 Do not deprive each other except perhaps by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.

maybe forcing his eunuch to watch was a bit over the top

the parts in the bible you quoted imply that the wife has the same rights over the husband as he does for him. that would imply the wife can rape his husband with a futa dick if she wills it

I don't remember that, specifically. Therefore you are wrong.

>99% of cases of marital frigidity it is the wife's refusal to participate in sexual union

Men who take no for an answer are no men and no true husband.

no, it wouldn't.

>the wife can rape his husband with a futa dick if she wills it
What..?
It's time for you to get off the internet, kid.

yes it would

therefore god taking no for an answer is no true god. therefore you are also wrong.
when you have any reasoning or evidence for your wild assertions we can continue

>that would imply the wife can rape his husband with a futa dick if she wills it
Stop watching hentai

Stupid as it is, the problem isn't normies applying their modern sensibilities to a medieval setting.
The worst part is Sansa, someone raised and acculturated in this society, being a dumb fucking bint and not expecting this when she had full agency to reject the marriage proposal.

you talk like a fag

yes it would

Xes Evah

>therefore god taking no for an answer is no true god.

What the fuck does that even mean
Blaming women for lack of sex is about as gay and beta as you can get

it literally says in the verse you quoted that a man's body belongs to his wife soooo...

based poster

>She is my wife, so I am in my right to whip her, beat her and get her raped by dogs

And people wonder why noone will have sex to them.

Drogo was pure fucking. Which is violent, but that's how dothraki breed.
Ramsay, on the other hand, is that fucking BDSM wannabe that probably has a fursuit in his rape dungeon for what I know.

>someone has sex with you when you don't feel like it
>this is somehow a terrible traumatic event in your life that will haunt you forever
why are women so retarded?

t. heathens who mix fabrics and fuck more than one kind of animal

>"Keep my decrees. Do not mate different kinds of animals. Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed. Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material."
>Leviticus 19:19

and you take that verse, in all its godly concern for human welfare, to mean a command to engage in body-harming violent sodomy?

Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.

>it's pretty rapey by modern society's standards
What's considered "modern society's standards" change fast and aren't decided by people. When I was born marital rape was legal, and when my parents were born being gay was illegal.

do you mean that one should take responsibility for another person's bad decisions?

it's a forced marriace you tards, do you think it's not rape when muslim girls get kidnapped and shipped off to their home country to marry their 40 year old second cousin or some shit?

>Schizophrenia
No, retard. I'm saying take responsibility for yourself. If your woman says no and you walk away meekly with an "okay.." then you're a faggot. There is no such thing as a sexless marriage because a sexless marriage isn't really a marriage.

what you have described is kidnapping, and perhaps an illegitimate marriage, but not rape, no.

I've never seen my dogs ask permission to fuck a bitch, why would we expect Muslims to?

then you must think god himself is a faggot for his creation's lamentable choice to reject him. is this really the standard you strive for?

if the marriage was illegitimate from the start then the man has no right to force the woman to have sex, no?

>schizophrenia

not an argument.
the wife has no right to refuse sexual congress with her husband. unfortunately people do things that they have no right to do. getting away with it, and having excuses that are codfied in law, do not make them right.

sexual union is the prime purpose of the marriage contract, and to refuse it with your willing and legitimate partner is fraudulence, and defrauding someone, especially of something so important, is evil.

>legitimate partner
we're talking about a situation where the union is not legitimate, though

yep! hail satan brother

probably it should be annulled then. but if a man and wife are married, they should be making the best of it, and that includes fucking.
based and redpilled

okay i just went and had sex
what now?

based Ramsay knew what was up

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try replying again

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Imagine being this autistic what is it like?

thanks for bumping the thread and giving me an opportunity to do so as well

archive.4plebs.org/tv/search/text/"was it rape"/type/op/order/asc/

based

Idk even why he waited until the wedding to rape her. Its not like anyone would oppose him if he just emptied his balls on her the first night he appeared in winterfell.

You cant rape your own wife, or property. Rape wasn't framed as a consent issue, it was a propery theft issue. Essentially, the man was the victim when the wife was raped.

god himself does not subjugate creation to his will. why do you think you can your wife?

it's in my right because stacy is dumb and mean and i'm smart and nice

just by existing God would subjugate his creation to his will, an in christian doctrine he sends you to hell for defiance. Your point only makes sense if you were saying that children shouldn't be subjugated to parents merely for creating them, marriage is a binding oath of loyalty and subservience.

ITT: legalists

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>an in christian doctrine he sends you to hell for defiance
but you are allowed to defy and wreak havoc on the rest of creation for your entire life until you die. at this time god does NOT enforce his rule on all of humankind; he allows us, in our fallen sinful nature, to make mistakes for which he is not culpable or responsible any more than you are responsible for your wife's mistakes.

>ties you up when you're sleeping and rear-ends you with a 9 inch strapon for 3 hours

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>it's possible to rape your wife
wow, can you racists cool it for a second with the Islamophobia?? ok its their culture and you need to respect that we can learn alot from them

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>
>Not sure about abroad.
America in 4 words.

>Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
>For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
>Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

Ephesians 5:22-24

Gotta worry about home before I give a flying fuck about nigs over the sea.

actually the qu'ran actually stipulates that men and women should be about equal in marriage, only vaguely insinuating that the man should have a small advantage over the woman. you'd have to really stretch the definition of that statement to say that the husband is allowed to do as he pleases with his wife. it just happens that muslim countries are ruled by men who like to do just that, possibly because they're sweaty losers whose only cope is taking their frustration out on those weaker than them. i don't understand why people on 4chins rag on them so much, there is a lot of ideological parity

It would have been better if he didn't ham it up and act like a psycho sperg. Would have made his malicious behavior that much more surprising and scary

yes, this is a command for wives to submit to their husbands, not for husbands to force subjection from their wives. just like creation is commanded to submit to christ and god, but they are not forced to (for now). all will have to answer for the sin, but not at this time, and not you even as lord husband, but to christ on his judgement throne.

It was beautiful.
The rape, Sansa.

i read it and it made me an atheist. horribly written piece of shit book that pretends jews are an amazing fantasy race akin to tolkien's elves

>i don't understand why people on 4chins rag on them so much
yeah it's only the incel brigade on the hacker known as Yea Forums that hates babyfucking terrorist sand niggers

>Waaah, why women stopped accepting this shitty end of the deal! Must be fukken joos!

>soooo...
go back

None of that happened on the show bookfag.

i hate to generalize like this, but having spoken to actual people who subscribe to these beliefs and checking what other stuff they believe in, 90% of the people who believe women are property also think muslims are subhuman or something. anecdotal evidence but still interesting desu

The fucked up thing is that Sansa will now seek to recreate the conditions of her first sexual trauma for the rest of her life. She'll never know a healthy form of love, only a growing restlessness as her worthy suitors fail to recreate the genesis of her dysfunction.

you think it matters what a physically weak creature "stops accepting?"

>women stopped accepting
lmfao the delusion. men decided to let them have rights and men can take them away just as easily. if every man decided martial """rape""" was perfectly fine and legal there is nothing women could do about it.

him and Euron had damn near as much clairvoyance as Bran

Thinking women and muslims are both subhuman isn't a contradiction brainlet.

>marriage means sodomy

>men decided to let them have rights and men can take them away just as easily.
important: "men" in general did not, and can not. a few evil men with uncanny power are the ones responsible.

The marriage wasn’t consensual

Dilate

D&D made it a rape scene for some reason.

>sansa agrees to get marriage
>b-but that d-doesn't c-count

So you should be able to provide the passage then.

Schizophrenic ranting isn't an argument either

not an argument

Everyone desperately wanted to forget the scene where LF gives Sansa the choice to back out of marrying Ramsay.

IIRC rape it's still defined by forceful penetration of a penis, so in some states It's wouldn't be rape.

Do you not understand what consent is?

its classified generally as sexual assault under US penal (heh) code

Embarrassing post. She consented to getting railed when she consented to the marriage.

you fucking moron. The analogy you're looking for is if she ties you up and rides you for 3 hours.

what do you think "to have and to hold" means?

what about in a gay marriage

You are retarded. Sex is peepee in vagina only.

based AND redpilled

yeah bruv, whenever people get married the woman signs a contract saying that they agree to have sex wherever and whenever their husband demands it. That's a thing that exists. Fuck off, you can't even legally make someone sign a contract like that. You're such an edgy and cool dude, I bet your friends and family really appreciate you.

she didn't even consent to the marriage you fuckwit

This thread has finally convinced me to leave Yea Forums forever. Goodbye to all you degenerates :)

When we say "modern society" we are talking about civilised countries.

Some people are unable to accept that older times and different cultures had/have different ideologies and decide that people in a show based around medieval times should be applying the values of modern civilization.