Isn't electing the king each time the best way to make rulers weak and create succession crisis...

this is the plan. the country regenerates a little under Bran's rule, then he dies and war can begin again for his succession. Everyone is already preparing for it.

So, which house will it be after Bran? Is it going to be full civil war?

It's why polish-lithuanian commonwealth was destroyed, more and more power to greedy nobles, rulers not giving a fuck about their legacy, and who rules next, terrible ending

Sansa tried to rape him.

Does he even care about being stabed by a conspiracy tho

Yes, it's retarded. The only outcome is civil war.

No you're retarded. The Holy Roman Empire was an Elective Monarchy and it stood for nearly a thousand years.

>Regenerates
How sad that this is true. No progress will be made. It will take decades to repair the damage done over the series, sort out the logistics of the parliament of the king/free north, and install ramps everywhere.

there was war happening constantly within the HRE brainlet
remember 30 years war? the one that killed nearly 1/3 of the Empire's population?

>roman empire
>elective monarchy
no, they had a senate and there wasn't a single ruler, except for special war times
until caesar put an end to this

I do not believe it will not devolve into a corrupt oligarchy. The three eyed chicken can see into the future, how does he not see it coming? Or is it a necessary step towards a democracy?

Holy Roman Empire you absolute retard.

On the other hand, no more cruel idiot kings fucking things up by birthright.

Not all of those thousand years were peaceful though, quite the contrary
Bran has no way of preventing wars between the lords paramount or the kingdom of the north vying for power because all the power is in the council that votes for the king.
Peace in the Seven Kingdoms was created by Targaryen rule, a council just gives more regional power to lord and less to king
In a generation the series characters will be dead and the realm will be worse than under the Targeryen's rule

>Holy Roman Empire
cringe

>the holy roman empire
>caesar
amerimutt education, everyone

SUMMON THE ELECTRIC CUNTS

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It worked out really well for Poland lol

>I'm American

Okay.

Why the fuck would the other kingdoms, especially Dorne, not just declare independence like the North did? Are we really expected to believe they are a-ok with King Cripple?

why is the one on the right in chains?

Absolute state of Yea Forums

Yara actually got her indipendence promise from Daenerys, it doesn't make any sense

even in a absolute monarchy the kings needs the lords to control the country.

They are playing the long game here. They want to put their heir onto the melted throne. (Or at least that is what I would plan to do)

No, now you have cruel idiot kings fucking things up because of corruption and political maneuvering.

Chances are they probably will declare independence and all the power will be concentrated in central westeros

>implying

german dogs keep barking on the internet, until one day, soon, there is germany no more

From a political prospective it makes some sense. They're going to choose based on who is the best acceptable pick for themselves, not for others. They don't want to give someone else power over them unnecessarily. If they can limit or control the king or queen it is good for them. Successions where they must be bribed in order to get their vote for the king increases their power and wealth. Bran being unable to sire children means they get to pick another king eventually. Bran being physically weak they don't think he'll be as much a threat or have a long life. Bran being like a good wise little robot they believe he can do his job without upsetting things. Bran is also highborn, male, and he cannot favor his homeland because the north just became an independent kingdom.

because got is retarded liberal propaganda

Was it beautiful?

>implying the pure birthright monarchy wasn't corrupt enough

Based

>Salsa: North only bows to the dragon. There are no more dragons so we are gonna be independent as before.
>Everyone: Aye
>Dorne: Dorne only bows to the ...oh ..well.. never mind. We stick with the crippled guy...

???

Historically yeah, it leads to battles of succession and civil wars. Elected officials are more often corrupt as fuck, too. They're elected on false promises, sly favours, outright lies and nepotism.

This series died when the script couldn't use the books as source material anymore. Go back and listen to the dialogue of the first three seasons to what we have in seasons 5-8; it's apparent when GRRM stepped away the writers who were left had no idea what the fuck they were doing. One of the writers is the fucking guy who wrote X-Men Origins: Wolverine, for fucks sake.

>basically no one wanted to rule
>everyone just accepts bran as the best choice
>except for sansa, lets give her half the continent, no objections

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So the solution is, monarchy is a garbage form of government and there are better ways

the books will also end in the same election thing

>why aren't Dorne and the Iron Islands pursuing independence?
Historically Dorne pursued that by fighting conquest, but they did join willingly (when heavily bribed via marriage) and only rebelled when mistreated. This is a new Dornish leader, he may have his own reasons and strategies, so we really don't know. He may be pursuing getting as much reimbursement for Dorne as possible and then leaving.

The Iron Islands is a weird case because Yara did state she wanted independence and it was sortof one of the conditions of her joining Daenerys. Yet she's young and can be hasty. Maybe it's worth it to vote on the king this time. It's a very real possibility that the Iron Islands will leave again one day.

Simply amazing. Retards that try to be smart are just priceless.
You just made this thread worth reading amerimutt.

Not until, Hughes Capet was a powerless king. You need to wait for Philippe Auguste to have a king capable to command all his vassals.

Someday? the show has ended and wwhy the fuck does anyone care about the iron islands? is isnt even a true kingdom its a bunch of rock that cant even farm themselves.

Thank you based GRRM for posting on Yea Forums. Get back to writing your books you fat fuck.

>Isn't electing the king each time the best way to make rulers weak and create succession crisis?
The best times in Rome was the Cesar adopted a new Cesar to train like Sideos and Anitakan, rather than using his biological son.

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Perhaps but you're always going to potentially have cruel and corrupt idiotic rulers. Whether they're kings, queens, emperors, prime ministers, presidents, or what have you. Even in a pure democracy the majority of people can potentially be cruel, corrupt, selfish, and idiotic. The general difference is that the more power and authority is invested in a few the more efficiently they can pursue their agenda and the more power is spread the more checks and balances there may be.

You are amazing.

First you think the Holy Roman Empire is the Ancient Roman Empire. Then you think Caesar (I assume Julius ?) was part of it and then you proceed to describe the Roman Republic, which was turn into an empire with a powerless senate by Augustus, not Julius Caesar (though i'll admit he did some groundwork, he never was emperor)

Burger education everyone. I'm dying to know what you think Byzantium is.

>The best times in Rome was the Cesar adopted a new Cesar to train like Sideos and Anitakan,
I fucked that all up, but you get it

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Yeah and it progressively lost territory to its neighbors, especially France

Maybe this will lead to Westeros becoming a full on republic and democracy

t. habsburg apologist

I think the point is that the next king or queen will enherit the 3 eye raven powers and those powers prevent corruption, lust, desire

In the medieval era you had to be a highborn to have the tools to rule. Most lowborn couldn't read or write and had no semblance of management skills.

For every littlefinger you had 10000 hot pies, you want hot pies to decide who rules? Elective monarchy is the best option for peace in this era.

>Holy
>Roman
>Empire

Adipted heirs are a different process from elected ones

>Roman Republic, which was turn into an empire with a powerless senate by Augustus
Agustus was the model for a President. He allowed the Senate to function so they wouldn't kill him like Julius, and he simply wrote legistlation to vote on.

Eurotrash education

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Well then it's not elective. The emperor was the only one to decide.

The system Tyrion created means all realms will send representatives (how many ? Some have 3, some have one, some have none) and they proceed to elect something by acclamation.

Well it works for Popes but if you know history they had some minor troubles too.

>Adipted heirs are a different process from elected ones
Implying the King of the 6 realms won't groom his successor and influence the vote. Also Bran knows all futures. Bran can play 44D chess a hundred years into the future of his successors.

STFU, pleb

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You're a retard, Augustus completly mussled the Senate, he sent his own troops "guide" the senate vote. After Julius assassination, the Senate had lost all support from the people.

Yes, and disregard anyone that claims the Holy Roman Empire as a good example of this working (the emeror barely had any power at all and the Empire, no cohesion, not to talk about all of the inner conflict). Incidentally, one of the reasons why roman emperors were sistematically murdered was the lack of a biological succession.

> Bran is Hari Seldon
Oh shit, GoT is Foundation prequel. Westeros is Trantor.

Having a little council of random Lords assembled in the wink of an eye...and having Davos and Asha Greyjoy and Samwell Tarly and Brienne on it for some unearthly reason...and having noted Kinslayer and convicted Kingslayer Tyrion Lannister give a 2 minute speech about the merits of Democracy, followed by "Why not Bran", at which point all the assembled Lords say "Sure, why not"...you didn't have an issue with that? Like, at all? After the first four establishing seasons, the complexity of the realm's politics, the many treatises on power and legacy, the simple historical precedent of what ACTUALLY occurs during a power vacuum...having everyone say "Oh the weird crippled kid who cannot produce heirs, lol OK sounds good to me".

That didn't seem bad, or silly, or even just a wee bit ridiculous to you? It was like something out of a children's book, or a Saturday Morning Cartoon. It was so hilarious I could barely breathe while it was going on.

>Well it works for Popes but if you know history they had some minor troubles too.
But Bran is essenitally god. He knows all the stories and outcomes. The jew god everyone worships is essentially a law maker / talking volcano. He gives laws and prophecy to enforce them

Bran = Bible God now

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>electing a king
It only worked this time because half the electors were Bran's relatives or were Stark dicksuckers. Unless Bran is immortal Westeros will end up in civil war soon enough

>Samwell Tarly and Brienne on it for some unearthly reason
King's Vassals

>It was so hilarious I could barely breathe while it was going on.
You should do some walking and exercise, eat healthier.

>Davos and Asha Greyjoy and Samwell Tarly and Brienne on it for some unearthly reason
Why wouldn't Asha be there? She's the ruler of the Iron Islands.

>merits of Democracy, followed by "Why not Bran", at which point all the assembled Lords say "Sure, why not"...you didn't have an issue with that? Like, at all?
No because he was speaking about an Autocratic system, not democracy (only fat ass did that). And Bran has the powers of the bible god now.
He can makes laws and see all futures. And the Night King wanted to kill him. He can fuck anyone up he wants for a 100yrs.

He may be able to control the Dragon like with Hodor or wolves

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yeah it's literally how you get a war ever election, although whoever wins the first one will probably make sure to establish a dynasty

Instead cruel idiot nobles who rule as magnates with a weak king that has zero central authority. That it, until a competent king comes along and forces centralization by strength of arms. Read up on Charles I. of Hungary.

>Unless Bran is immortal Westeros will end up in civil war soon enough
Bran is essenitally god. He knows all the stories and outcomes. The jew god everyone worships is essentially a law maker / talking volcano. He gives laws and prophecy to enforce them

Bran = Bible God now

He can makes laws and see all futures. And the Night King wanted to kill him. He can fuck anyone up he wants for a 100yrs.

He may be able to control the Dragon like with Hodor or wolves

out of those ~800 years, it was ruled by a single dynasty for ~500

Stop pretending GOT isnt a magical workd

Why are they all so ugly

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interregnum_(Holy_Roman_Empire)

There were huge spans of time with no Emperor and other times when the emperors word counted as much as that of a baron.

>people don't know that elective monarchies were a real thing
the absolute state of historical education
in practice it doesn't work great but westeros hasn't tried it before
also given that they just had years of turmoil caused by cunts claiming themselves to be the rightful heir theyd probably be open to a little change
also if anything this series has shown that the hand and the council are the ones that actually do everything

electing kings only works in high iq war societies

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Tyrion mentions weeks have passed since Dany's death.

Brienne is obviously for the Baratheon, Yara ruled the Iron Islands (she could have ask to be a legit realm though, that way they can keep the 7 kingdoms tittle), nobody wanted to be King except idiot Edmure until he realised that wouldn't work. King was pretty much the most dangerous position possible so no high lords would take it.

Bran was a compromise.

tully genes

Even french kings during the Middle-Age (not modern area) were heavily relying on High Nobles to make sure their heir will end up on the Throne.

Why do you think the whole 100 years war happened ?

The Holy Roman Empire elected its Emperor. It wasn't exactly the pinnacle of stability though.

d&d can't write
there is no point in discussing how bad it happened

This system prevented Germany to assemble until 1870, effectively reducing their massive influence for centuries, giving the blobbing role to France.

Sansa and arya's faces got wide and puffy its sad because they used to be good looking

Sounds like the US electoral college as the founding fathers intended ie leader being appointed by a small council of learned gentlemen.

It's all a sham. Three Eyed Raven manipulated everything and now he's going to be a king for an eternity.

Its the exact reason why Celtic Ireland was never able to unite. As soon as the king died the kingdoms descend into civil wars because people got butthurt when they lost the vote.

You don't have to have tried it to tell it's retarded. Elective monarchies don't come into being because people sit around and work through the problem to a good solution, they emerge naturally through forces pushing for decentralization. And they only really work at all when either the realm is basically just for show and its "leader" is a diplomat more than a king (e.g. HRE or Poland), or when the realm in question has such an overwhelming sense of integrity and legitimacy that it naturally pulls itself together whenever it begins to fracture too much (e.g. non-H-RE, which may as well have been an elective monarchy).

They stopped actually electing the Emperor by the mid-1400s, and it became a hereditary possession of the Habsburg family

Yes basically because it gives an incentive for everyone to be corrupt and work against eachother like all democratic systems.

Yeah but they're willing to try anything after the decade they just had

The emperors ruled however it may be that the aristocrats shared power and worked together to share the position of emperor between their houses. Through political cooperation that Rome has seen before the nobles could dominate and pursue greater power together than any could achieve alone. As long as the power kept being shared around according to plan then it might work. That is until some emperors started consolidating greater power for themselves and betrayed those nobles to keep their progeny in power.

the arab kingdoms elect their kings