So if North can be independent, why didn't all the other lords demand to be independent?
>Prince of Dorne
>King of Stormlands
>Queen of the Iron Islands
>King of Vale
all was possible but they were like, nah fuck it only North lmao
The fuck is this bullshit?
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There was a precident for the North being independent since they have been before.
Yara asked for it from Dany back in season 6 in a much more desperate situation. She didn't get it, but she still asked. Now she actually rules the Iron Islands and they're sitting around picking a new ruler to kneel to. Literally no reason not to bring it up other than
>Yara forgot she wanted independence
lmao true
>I'm still loyal to Dany
The North was independent for like two minutes.
The Iron Islands and Dorne, specially Dorne, were independent for far longer.
Sansa's claims that the North has been independent for "thousands of years" are fucking retarded because literally every kingdom was like that before Aegon conquered them all except for Dorne.
Yeah if anything Dorne shouldn't even have showed up
>So if North can be independent, why didn't all the other lords demand to be independent?
Sansa waited until they all had pledged.
Sansa would have forced them to honor their pledges.
Also, most of the lords were relatives of Bran.
Sansa can't force them to do shit and it's laughable to think Dorne or the Iron Islands would give two fucks about breaking their vows of loyalty.
every single kingdom was independent before the targaryens, Dorne even more so, as it took them even longer to get under control and they even got to keep their prince/princess titles
She is a powerful ally to Bran. And most of the lords, like I said, are also related to Bran.
Huzzah! A united Scandinavia! Swexit!
Dorne isn't
Iron Islands isn't
Riverlands isn't a kingdom so basically, only Vale is
If she is indepenent then she isn't part of the kingdom any longer and abusing her position would only expose Bran as a nepotist cunt.
And only the Tullys and the Arryns are related to Bran. Dorne and the Iron Islands don't have shit to do with him and have no reason to consider him a good ruler or bow to him.
Dorne has much more call to be independent. It's the only country that wasn't conquered by Aegon.
>Dorne isn't
>Iron Islands isn't
What does most mean? I had thought it meant the majority but not all. Was I mistaken?
Bran is a nepotist. He has been depicted as carefully managing cause and effect for multiple seasons and happens to create an ending which is almost maximally good for his family.
He is not a "good guy".
The Iron Islands were still loyal to Dany. She gave them independence in return for the fleet. Yara kneeling to king cripple is absolutely retarded
Then that's an even bigger reason for them to not consider him a good king and choose to be independent.
Ruling sucks. I wouldn't want to do it.
Also the north had been independent before
All the fucking kingdoms had been independent before.
>And only the Tullys and the Arryns are related to Bran. Dorne and the Iron Islands don't have shit to do with him and have no reason to consider him a good ruler or bow to him.
That's a big reason why everybody saying "Aye" to Bran was so stupid. I expected at least a little squabbling before they all settled on someone. Not every lord of every kingdom just going "Wow, the advisor to the mad queen we just got rid of is right! We really should all declare for this weird child with no experience in politics or leadership!"
They have all been independent before
>bran turns to salsa
>shut up stupid cunt
would had been kino
None of it makes sense. The writing went to shit
>Then that's an even bigger reason for them to not consider him a good king and choose to be independent.
The Starks are the most powerful family in Westeros, if not the world. And those lords have been given the opportunity to be ruled under a more devolved system (Elective Monarchy).
It's reasonable for them to accept.
That's why Bran's rule won't last 15 minutes.
Every other kingdom should have been demanding independence after Sansa pulled that stunt.
And what is Bran going to do about it? All of the soldiers loyal to the crown (stormcloaks, King's personal army) are dead.
That's probably why Greyworm hastily fucked off too after they declared Bran king and Sansa said what she said. He was probably thinking that these people were all fucking crazy and would turn on each other the moment he left, and he's probably right too.
Even if Yara said fuck this and left I wouldn't have been that bothered. And why was Davos even there?
The Starks are nowhere near to be the most powerful family in the world and I can't talk about Westeros because we don't know shit about each house current situation.
And why the fuck would they consider an elective monarchy better than just being independent and not having to bow to foreign kings?
For a second I thought Bran was going to tell her no then he pussied out
Why the fuck did the Vale get two votes? What happened if whathisname and Robin disagreed?
>Also the north had been independent before
So is every other kingdom. Dorne has been independent the longest technically
Every lord there was more powerful than the Starks. Think back to Robb. when he called his banners he was only able to gather 20,000 men. Think how many battles the north has been in since then. The combined might of the North should be 10 dudes by now
>The Starks are nowhere near to be the most powerful family in the world and I can't talk about Westeros because we don't know shit about each house current situation.
>And why the fuck would they consider an elective monarchy better than just being independent and not having to bow to foreign kings?
It's a mixture of power, which the Starks have. The North is huge, and they have many allies for their family.
A mixture of that and devolving the government.
Bran can warg into Drogon you know, that's why they won't do shit.
The North should be in shambles after the war agains the Lannisters, the Ironborn raids, the civil war against the Boltons, the War for the Dawn and whatever casualities they experienced in King's Landing.
The Vale and the Riverlands should be fucked too.
There is no way they could do shit if orne decided to declare independence. Not even Aegon the Conqueror and his three dragons could bring those fuckers down.
Maybe Sansa stole the Dothraki/Unsillied cloning technology Dany had
I think everyone's forces were depicted as wrecked at various times.
They didn't earn it, they squandered their power fighting each other; the North did earn it by defending the realm against the Night King. This isn't rocket science to figure out, the selfless sacrifice gets rewarded while grubbing in the dirt for scraps at your neighbors' expense doesn't.
prince of dorne? whos he king?
>user. Please stop posting.
>And why was Davos even there?
Same reason as Bronn: popularity with viewers. GRRM hinted that that was happening in several interviews, and it's not hard to see which character are being kept around only because fans like them.
>the North did earn it by defending the realm against the Night King
What Night King? For all Dorne knows that's another myth
pledges mean nothing
Dorne has been at total peace and is now the richest and most powerful of the kingdoms, why wouldn't they just say "Yeah fuck out now"
The literal living history was sitting right there to confirm it, and they'd just voted him king, so Dorne can play Climate Denier all they want, it doesn't matter.
>pledges mean nothing
It's some small justification to do something. She had the loyalty of the entire north and many allies to her family.
I think that Dorne had a civil war (right?) and we all know the Ironborn had one.
Gendry's there cause the foreign invader they killed made him a lord lol
Because the Martell line is looking really thin and doesn't want to get wrecked trying to prove a point they've profited by not trying to prove before,
uhhhh but if da words we say is lies then da words don't mean anything
The Martell line became famous for putting up with Aegon I's brutal invasion for years just to prove a point so I doubt it.
Bran knows that all the north cares about is chanting king/queen of the north. Plus he didn’t want that shithole anyways.
This was a call for the Midwest in the USA to balkanize. D&D are based jews.
Dorne would secede.
Iron Islands would definitely secede
The Vale would secede from the North
The only one who would stay is Gendry out of Stark loyalty
Also Bronn because the throne legitimizes him
it's really dumb writing
She has no navy, the north would own her ass, her kneeling is the only thing saving her lands. She lost ships and men. She has nothing without sucking bran dick, Sansa would take over her homeport by force.
So the next years of Westeros will be filled with lords plotting and killing for a chance to sit on the wheely throne
good job Tyrion you fucking idiot
Did they all forget that they are still in debt to the Iron Bank? Braavos' patience is only going to last so long
"Ok Sansa you can be independent :)"
*fails to produce a male heir due to her ovaries being fucked up beyond repair due to massive Ramsey cock*
"Oh no! Succession crisis! Better invade with the armies of the other six kingdoms to sort it out hehehehe"
why did Arya and Brienne get a vote?
Imagine if Littlefinger was still alive.
Fucker would get the throne in 2 days.
>So the next years of Westeros will be filled with lords plotting and killing for a chance to sit on the wheely throne
Bran can see everything, so he can rule around that. He's playing Crusader Kings basically, he gets told in advance when people want to kill him.
they didn't ask for it. simple as.
>, the north would own her ass,
I fail to see what the Iron Islands claiming independence has to do with the North
Because they're the main characters user, and we all know, that in good fiction, worlds are written around our main characters, not the other way around.
All the kingdoms like "New raven who dis" and don't pay taxes or fealty anymore because every man of military age is fucking dead
>nobody cares about the massive debt to Jews
>North gets off scott free from debts
>Random Stark cripple on the throne because why not
>while the only male heir of Robert Baratheon still rules Stormlands
>master of coin obsessed with whores
>winter has only begun and realm wrecked by years of civil war
Fucking
>w-wait, we could have asked for it?
He is not omnipresent.
Someone can totally plot to murder him and get away with it.
It makes perfect sense if you think about it.
>Everyone wants the the Iron Throne
>but Drogon burns down the Iron Throne
>OH SHIT SON, I really wanna be king, but where am I gonna sit? =(
>They're all forced to pick the only one there who has his own chair
FUCKING 5D CHESS THIS MAD LAD
>I fail to see what the Iron Islands claiming independence has to do with the North
Because she is going to support her brother's rule in his kingdom, you dumb shit.
Idk retard , have no ships no men be island, have no protection from the other 5 kingdoms , meaning the north can annex it as the isles are also independent. They stayed for gibs and hand out. Why you think they talking about ships.in the end?
Yeah until he get rabies and dies. Have fun with the biggest succession crisis ever as there are multiple powerful claimants.
>presses auto-stop plots
Roll with the punches faggot. Arrest and execute
I question why they even maintained that they needed a "Master of Whispers". Bran already has his "little birds": actual fucking birds he can warg into and see everything and anything.
Too many families owe money to the Iron Bank, that’s why political marriages are a thing. Whose gonna pay all those debts?
Probably he can focus only one thing at a time. But it's a big kingdom.
Bronn will simply take the Iron Jews to a brothel and have them fuck as much as they want :^)
>they actually gave Highgarden, the Protectorate of the Reach and a fucking seat in the Small Council to Bronn just because he threatened Tyrion with a crossbow
What the fuck?
Why didn't they arrest and execute his ass?
What were they thinking?
They are about to nosedive into a serious economic crisis, and Braavos is going to invade
did I misunderstand the scene? Edmure wasn't actually about to suggest that HE should be king right?
Why don't they just do what real monarchies did when they wanted to keep strong relations with one another and marry their siblings to each other??
Yes, he was declaring himself a candidate before Sansa told him "shut up, whitey"
>Imagine if Littlefinger was still alive.
>Fucker would get the throne in 2 days.
If Littlefinger is alive he probably ran to Essos seeing his skillset btfo'd by an actual god of manipulation (Bran).
>the only lord that has accumulated wealth during this war
>not wanting his money to rebuild the 6 kingdoms.
cuz sansa is triggered and can't have sex anymore
What possible justification could he have for thinking he should be king. He fucked up literally everything that he ever tried and spent the last year alone in a dungeon because Arya killed all of his relatives and forgot to release him first
Southern folk are mud people that need to be ruled. Like our globe.
>8000 years of Stark family comes to an end because the last living Starks are a cripple and a rape victim triggered by sex
Why incels claim it was a feminist or liberal moment? Every elector was white and the show always portrayed Edmure as an incompetent idiot.
What wealth? He was a fucking sellsword with no castle and a worthless title before Tyrion gave it to him.
If they really needed his money they could have just taken it after arresting and executing him for threatening the Hand of the King.
A Lannister always pays his debts.
tyrion owed him Highgarden
Just turn your brain off
The fact that it was now possible for him to become king and he thought he could do a good job.
Plus the other candidates were a goblin, a rape victim, a cripple, a faggot who was sucking his mommy's titties a few years ago, said faggot's butler, a lesbo pirate who didn't do shit and a bunch of literal whos.
That's feudalism. His birthright alone made him a possible even if unlikely candidate.
>get played for Hus deeds get nobility and lands
He literally got an wealth not used in the war effort as payment for his services.
Isn't little robert secretly Littlefingers child?
no.....what gave you that idea
A debt made under the threat of getting murdered isn't a fucking threat and Tyrion shouldn't be able to give him shit before anyone in Bran's side goes "yeah no, let's execute this self-serving faggot".
*a fucking debt
The whole Bronn shit was complete bollocks to be honest. Good character, but this development of him getting Highgarden is so stupid. I guess this constitutes someone actually "winning" the "game of thrones" though, so had to have that.
>no.....what gave you that idea
It would explain why Littlefinger left him in power.
Uh, reminder that Cersei plundered the entirety of the Tyrell's wealth and used it to repay the Iron Bank in season 7. Highgarden is entirely destitute financially, though it will certainly rebound.
House Lannister is extinct now though.
Speaking of which, who gave Tyrion the power to grant Bronn Highgarden anyway.
I vaguely remember it being mentioned in the books but it has been too long.
The lords of the Reach will rebel and execute his ass the first chance they get so I wouldn't call it winning.
They can try but it'd be awfully hard when he can just youtube.com
>explain
>Littlefinger
It was all just chaos, he never actually had a plan.
>The lords of the Reach
Sam's dad and brother are dead and he's the grand Maester. There are no Lords of the Reach left
Really the only three with claims worth considering were Jon, Arryn and Gendry.
>>winter has only begun and realm wrecked by years of civil war
The meeting between the lords of the 7 kingdoms and greyworm clearly took place after a time lapse that fast-forwarded straight through the winter and into the next summer. King's landing went from being a smouldering ruin covered in several feet of snow to a state of nearly complete structural restoration on a sun-baked 90 degree day.
Iron Islands and Dorne kinda forgot about the independence.
Littlefinger got Lysa pregnant when he was younger but they aborted the child.
Robin was born while Lysa was living with Jon Arryn in the Vale and had very little contact with Littlefinger so it's unlikely it's his.
Arya killed the Night King. There are no more winters
You mean when he can just tell them something that happened years ago?
Presumably because the king is a Stark and allows the north to be free, but one wonders what advantage making Bran king has if the North will defect anyway.
All the kingdoms were once independent of a central authority, and the Iron Isles declared their independence more times than the North has.
>the lords of the Reach
The show has pretended there are no lords but the main characters for years now.
>no stormlands or reach houses are ever fucking mentioned besides baratheon, tyrell, and tarly anymore
>no mention of the hightowers who control the largest port on the continent
Yeah, realistically, I'm sure the Hightowers would never fucking bend over and have some cutthroat at their Lord Paramount but do you think D&D even know or understand any of that? No, of course not.
Reminder that when Dorne was actively involved in the show it showed the capital of Dorne as "Dorne." They don't know anything about the lore and they don't care, nor do 90% of the normies that eat this shit up.
Well CKII after you type plots_known into the console.
Didn't Lysa live in Kings landing with Jon Arryn? Because the first book mention repeatedly how she fled back to the Vale after Jon died.
There are other noble houses in the Reach even if the show wants to act like there aren't any.
In episode 1, Cat gets the letter from Lysa and is surprised that's she's at the Vale. so yes, she did live in KL with Jon Arryn.
Never mentioned in the show = don't exist.
That guy's point was that the showrunners don't acknowledge their existence at all, so you should probably accept the show's solution to the 'problem.' It's unquestionably shit but that's the show in general.
>What possible justification could he have for thinking he should be king.
Fuck you, Edmure was the perfect choice
>His lands are near KL
>Has a stable wife
>No living rivals
>Allied to the North and the Vale in Theory
>No army after the war in practice
Radmure is the ideal Holy Roman Emperor
Doesn't that make it very possible/likely that Littlefinger is roberts father?
Then why it snowed when Jon killed Dany?
That was ash
He can in the span of a minute look through a record of everything they've said or done throughout their life.
If you were going to plot to kill him you'd have to do it without breathing a word of your intentions to anyone or acting out of character to reveal your true intentions. It would be one hell of a long con.
This is why its a bitter sweet ending retard. The point is that the whole tradition of the 7 being 1 kingdom is over and those who have high IQs will know that it wont take long before the realms all rescind and declare independance especially with a cripple for a king. With no dragons to reunite the realm the lands will relapse into their pre Aegons Conquest era, forever warring and bickering amongst themselves
>Reminder that when Dorne was actively involved in the show it showed the capital of Dorne as "Dorne"
oh god is this true?
>With no dragons to reunite the realm
>what is Bran warging into Drogon
>meaning the north can annex it as the isles are also independent.
They can't. The only navy that the North has is the Manderlys on the east coast and it's no better than the Iron Island's forces.
Lords of the reach are destitute,after they got sacked
He still got played for his deeds, if he didn't he would have quit he has been accumulating gains since day one.
Yes, in the opening sequence that included Dorne it showed the country Dorne and the capital of Dorne was Dorne
Not Sunspear. That's the level of simplification going on.
Please be respectful when discussing the city of dorne
They sacked Highgarden, not the entire fucking Reach unless everyone kept their money there.
An elective monarchy is a mess and a step back really, at least if they followed any kind of real-world logic. The Germanic tribes were elective monarchies before they settled, and the reason why they abandoned it was that there was literally a new civil war every time the king died.
Three Eyed Raven is immortal, there will never be another king
fuck me
Wasn't he immortal because he morphed into a tree and was taken care of by the children of the forest?
No weirwood trees in the south=no bran magical powers
>Three Eyed Raven is immortal, there will never be another king
The last Raven was near immortal because he was attached to the roots of a weirwood tree. Bran will die in a couple decades or more and the system will collapse.
Dornish subhumans btfo
King Bran the Broken commands that weirwood trees be planted
Sorted
He's a fan favorite and represents everything the show seems to think gets you ahead in the World of Ice and Fire.
He doesn't wear heavy armor because he's smart and knows being quick on your feet is better. He's crude and unrefined because the worlds is hard and rough. He isn't scared of the hound because everyone knows Bronn could probably take him. He nearly kills a Dragon because Bronn is no-nonsense and gets stuff done. Bronn can just slip by the entire northern and Targaryen army and find both the Hand of the Queen and Jaime Lannister the only time the two of them are alone together and then threaten them both with a crossbow and then sneak out undetected after being promised Highgarden and he actually fucking gets it. All hail Bronn master of coin,the worst character in the fucking show, and King of Highgarden.
I'd say next to Arya getting the kill on the Night king because Jon being the savior "didn't feel right" to David Bronn's whole plot this Season was the biggest and most blatant fanwank this show has ever seen.
>not paying your dues to not be sacked yourself.
Tyrion sold them the idea of an elective monarchy.
If it turned out they were tricked into putting an immortal autist in the throne, they would just rebel.
Pay to whom and when? The Lannisters sacked Highgarden, fucked off right after that and then got attacked by Dany.
>rebelling against an immortal who knows everything and can time travel to the past and possess you and turn you retarded
I think not
That is obviously not true.
When the fuck is it EVER stated in the show or the book that thats how the winter/summer cycle in ASOIF works?
The worst part is that the entire Small Council was given their position that way.
>everyone loves Tyrion so he is the Hand
>Davos is also popular and he...uh...was a smuggler and I think he had a ship in S2 so he is Master of Ships
>Sam is a loved character and he is smart so he is the Grand Maester despite not even being a novice Maester anymore
>I don't know about the rest, we don't have any popular characters who fit into those so leave them empty
He is not immortal and there is no evidence that he can turn people into Hodors at will.
How did Bran know that "Chaosh was a Ladder" if he needs weirwood trees around to have surveillance?
From what we saw of his travels through time it appears the weirwoods only serve as fast travel locations and once he's in the past he can wonder as far from them as he wants and view events like Jon's birth which happened 'in the south' quite a ways from the nearest tree.
>quit your apprenticeship, steal a bunch of books and bang your fat waifu in winterfell
But sure, he can be high maester
No evidence he can't either
He has weirwood trees in the north, that's where he told LF about the chaos is a ladder. He also went to Dorne to see R+L=J, when he was in the north surrounded by trees.
He's not gonna do shit without the trees
>Ruling sucks
this, why would anyone want to deal with all of that bullshit after everything that has happened. having bran as king is basically like not having a king at all and everyone is independent anyways. by being part of the kingdom, one that is no longer ruled by nepotism, that means members of the kingdom get to have a say in the future even if they arent on the council.
if anything sansa is retarded for leaving. all she got was a short sighted gain of power for herself but left the north out of the kingdom. I wonder if this is all just some BREXIT allusion.
KL had a weirdwood tree but I assume Dany burned it too.
Bran is an absentee king who lets the small council get on with the business of ruling in his stead. Which is exactly what King Robert did.
the more things change, the more they stay the same.
kill me right now
>why didn't all the other lords demand to be independent?
They are all led by weaklings and their population/army is depleted
What is up with Sansa's independence autism anyway?
I thought it was just her not liking Dany but she refused to bow down to her OWN FUCKING BROTHER just because?
I don't really get why she is so obsessed with that shit. It's not like the North was independent for more than a few months in the past 300 years so it's not protecting the status quo or her kingdom's traditions.
Now that the King isn't a cunt anymore there is literally no reason for the King in the North to exist other than Sansa being a childish bitch who doesn't want to have anyone over her.
Ah, yes, the war truly took a heavier toll on Dorne than it did on the North. Great point, user!
Northerners are basically the Dothraki of Westeros. they're barbarians who hate being ruled by others just on principle.
I'm pretty sure those are the Ironborn.
>And why the fuck would they consider an elective monarchy better than just being independent and not having to bow to foreign kings?
because when bran dies they will have children who will have a chance to be elected as king or at least be put on the council. are you people retarded? the starks are in power now but with sansa going independent and bran not having children that means the starks will be gone leavinga huge power void for the riverlands, tully's, dorne, and even the iron islands to fill.
exactly. its pretty poetic to the series and despite how it has been handled a lot of this episode makes perfect sense.
obsession
Anyone who isn't the actual retard would realize that's just another civil war waiting to happen.
Every kingdom is xenophobic as shit, you would end up with them fighting each other to get their own candidate on the throne because they hate the others or something like a Tully-Arryn-whateverthefuckBronnsurnameis alliance essentially controlling everything.
>poor iron island vs proud north who is sallied with bran the broken.
>no ships
Pretty sure Ned brought some ships when they calmed greyjoy rebellion.
Hmmmm
That's how politics works, everyone is out for themselves under the guise of caring about everyone else
isnt brienne the heir to Tarth?
never mind the fact that EVERYTHING bad that happened was caused because of sansa and her bullshit
>dany massacres kings landing because sansa broke her swear to jon and told everyone
>jon is forced to kill his love because if he doesnt he knows sansa will not bend the knee and dany will kill her and everyone in the north
>nevermind jon is the king of the north, has already bent the knee to dany, and none of this would matter at all if he and dany got married
Where the fuck is Tarth lmao
Tarth is a literal who house though, she's just a minor lord that is vassal under Gendry
Tarth is in the Stormlands.
Arya killed the Night King, she gets a vote by virtue of being the reason any of them are even alive now.
Brienne was impregnated by Jaime so her son is the Lord of Casterley Rock and she is his regent.
Really the council should be made of up of the highlords to keep them in the fold.
Bronn being master of coin is fine since he's now the lord of Highgarden. The hightowers must be furious about that.
Tyrion as hand is fine because he's presumably the lord of Casterly Rock now.
Yara is the obvious choice for should be Master of Ships seeing as how she's the only person beside Arya and Graywrom who has any left.
Quentyn could be Master of Whispers, I mean we haven't even heard a peep out of him.
Robin can be Master of War since the Vale army is probably the most powerful in the six Kingoms now.
Edmure can be Master of Laws, because that's the only seat left.
That leaves Gendry who is kinda useless but he's lord of Storm's end but he's also your biggest threat because if we're going by inheritance he's legally Dany and Jon's heir so anyone who looks on Robert's 2 decade reign of relative peace and prosperity with rose tinted glasses, or anyone who liked Dany and didn't mind the sacking might support him taking the throne from Bran since he's a Baratheon but also descended from Rhaella Targaryen who was Robert's grandmother, this was the same technicality that made Robert king legally and not just via conquest, with Jon and Dany out of the way he is the heir of both Aerys II and Robert I.
Tarth is literally a tiny island with zero wealth, a minor house. Its only relevance was being related to Robert through his mother's line.
Reminder that Gendry only got to keep his title because the Unsullied threatened to chimp out if Sansa and Co revoked the order of THEIR QUEEN
Because they're fan favorites.
well at least in this system you dont have people being put into power simply because of nepotism
>the war in the north was started because ned stark found out geofferey wasnt roberts actual son
>geofferey was such a shit head that even when he won said war his own allies killed him off (high garden)
>then his brother tomley is made king but he is just a pussy who gives all his power to religious fanatic
>tomley dies and for some reason cersei becomes queen and we know how that goes
also bran having superpowers means that he will probably be able to prevent serious bullshit from happening in the future before it even happens.
I figured that he and his lady would take his families lands. But after the last master made Frankensteins, guess the rules are out.
Tyrion gave his family's lands to Bronn
Sansa is a shit who keeps floating.
Who the fuck was this and why does he get a vote?
>Gendry who is kinda useless but he's lord of Storm's end but he's also your biggest threat because if we're going by inheritance he's legally Dany and Jon's heir
This. He is the rightful heir to the throne both from having Targaryen blood, and now being Robert's legal heir.
Sure Gendry might play along with this whole council thing, but what happens when he dies? What happens when his descendants decide that they are the rightful monarchs, or the other Lords try a Baratheon restoration?
WHY THE FUCK WASN'T ED SHEERAN IN THIS SCENE HE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PERSON IN WESTEROS
what happened to the north men in KL after Jon was captured? did they just accept it and go home? Did the unsullied kill them?
Seems weird that they would just abandon their lord
I have no idea. No idea who the fat guy next to Bronze Yohn Royce was either, to be fair. I thought it might've been Manderly but there was literally no reason for him to be sitting with the Vale instead of the North.
That whole sequence didn't make any sense.
North got independence because of nepotism.
thats tyrions dad
Yeah, wasn't there an entire northern army there more or less? At least equal in number to the Unsullied and the (lol) Dothraki who took the brunt of the undead army charge.
To be honest, nothing made sense about the last few episodes.
Seriously, someone help me make sense of this fucking voting.
youtu.be
You have:
>Tyrion representing the Westernlands (1 vote)
>Sam representing the Reach? The Citadel? (1 vote)
>Edmure representing the Riverlands (1 vote)
>some random guy next to Sam representing ????? (1 vote)
>some fat guy on the other end representing ???? (1 vote)
>Robin and Ser Royce representing the Vale (2 votes)
>Prince Literalwho representing Dorne (1 vote)
>Yara representing the Iron Islands (1 vote)
>another bearded literal who representing ????? (1 vote)
>Gendry representing the Stormlands (1 vote)
>Davos representing literally no one (1 vote)
>Brienne representing Tarth? The Stormlands again? (1 vote)
>Sansa, Arya and Bran representing the North (1 vote even if they don't use it)
>Total: 14 votes for Seven Kingdoms (now Six)
What the fuck is up? Is each kingdom supposed to have two representatives who have one vote each for some reason or what?
Why the fuck are Sam, Brienne and Davos allowed to vote?
>The show has pretended there are no lords but the main characters for years now.
imagine if they did. People would be crying even harder about all the ''not ended storylines''
This systems leads to nepotism too.
Whatever "coallition" has the higher numbers of votes can put whoever they want in the throne even if he is a fucking retard or a dick and there was no indication that you could remove the elected king from power.
I think that's a bit of a cop-out user. They don't need to wrap up storylines for each individual minor house in the Seven Kingdoms. They could've at least given some sort of regional picture, or regional story. Even a fucking one-off line or two here or there about things would've been better than absolutely nothing. The show begged us to believe that the Reach became suddenly impotent and powerless after being so important earlier, begged us to believe that Dorne was literally a city after Oberyn's envoy was hinted as to being very serious and important, and that the collective strength of the Stormlands was basically nil outside of Storm's End (which was itself never shown and never really did anything beyond Stannis' contingent which was only a partial reflection of their original power). At the same time, it asked us to accept that the North (which had suffered the worst of the fighting in a very long and grueling war with the Lannisters) was apparently stronger than any of these other regions because ???
there is nothing saying that this is like the US electoral college where some states have more votes that others. It is presumably that each important "main" house gets a vote and that is it. Even then it doesnt matter because the way they left it they imply that being "king" is more of a figurehead and most of the power is left to the council anyways.
>so her son is the Lord of Casterley Rock
Jaime was a member of the Kingsguard which means he forsake all inheritance, the child would be a bastard anyway which means it gets no claim.
isnt brienne a kingsguard now as well lol?
Jamie abandoned the kingsguard though
Hasn’t Arya’s entire character development been around her unbreakable love she holds for her family, where in her character arc does it hint at or make sense for her to want to randomly sail off into uncharted lands never to see her family again?
>there is nothing saying that this is like the US electoral college where some states have more votes that others. It is presumably that each important "main" house gets a vote and that is it
Indeed there is nothing that indicated the voting system is anything other than "one vote per greater house" even though there are a shitton of people who shouldn't have a vote in that scene.
So it's safe to say that with each kingdom having one vote and all of them despising each other despite the finale pretending that's not the case, all it would take would be for two or three kingdoms to make an aliance for them to ensure their candidates will always be elected.
>Even then it doesnt matter because the way they left it they imply that being "king" is more of a figurehead and most of the power is left to the council anyways.
What? When did they imply this? The scene in the Small Council doesn't show Bran being a powerless figurehead, he is just an autist who cares more about finding Drogon than about ruling the fucking kingdom.
The system is still basically the same, except now it's even easier for people like Littlefinger to get the throne.
Brienne is kingsguard now though
Yeah, so if she got pregnant means she is fucking useless in protecting her king and this makes no sense.
Yeah and that just whipes the slate completely clean and he magically gets all his inheritance back, right? When he gets disinherited that's for life, Tyrion is the rightful owner as the second son
Arya didn't say aye desu
Greyjoys are all fucking dirty smelly hair cunts. Bran should nuke Iron Islands.
>none of this would matter at all if he and dany got married
Biggest plot hole of the season. It would literally resolve every internal conflict leading to the various betrayals within the Daeny camp and I don't believe the prospect is seriously discussed once by any of the characters involved.
Orange guy is clearly the Prince of Dorne and I assume at least one of those guys represents the Reach unless Sam is actually there to do that and another one must represent the Westerlands unless Tyrion is supposed to do that.
No fucking idea about the other two, they both looks like they are northeners but who the fuck knows.
Tyrion and Varys talk about it twice but the reasons given for why they can't get married are retarded lampshading bullshit and only people desperately grasping at straws try to defend them.
For some reason neither Jon or Dany ever bring it up.
Varys and Tyrion discuss it and their counter-argument are:
>Jon would find marrying his aunt disgusting lol
and:
>Jon would be manipulated by Daenerys because apparently he is weak-willed now despite being the opposite of that through the entire fucking show
the second one is the most laughable
>Varys claims Jon is such a weak-willed pussy bitch that Dany would break him and he'd do whatever she says
>Two scenes later Varys tries to convince Jon to usurp Dany and lead a coup against her
>For some reason neither Jon or Dany ever bring it up.
And despite their being in an enforced conflict over the legitimacy of a claim to power against their own mutual attraction to each other making them the only characters with an intrinsic incentive to resolve that external conflict via a power-sharing arrangement.
Fucking retarded as hell lmao
Idk I think Davos makes sense. He had been a top advisor/'hand' for the entire series. Why do you need to own a fleet to be master of ships? He is an old man that has sailed his entire life all around the world. He clearly would know a lot about ships as well as advising and politics from his service to Stannis and Jon
The idea that the guy who climbed the fucking Wall and went beyond the Wall to save the widlings (plus all the shit he did to prepare EVERYONE for the Long Night) would get manipulated by Dany when she had to lose a fucking dragon, save his ass from the White Walkers and promise to help him fight them to just get him to bend the knee.
His role as an advisor never had shit to do with ships and you don't need a fleet to be master of ships, you just need to know how to command and mantain one and he clearly never did that. Being a good sailor doesn't instantly make you a good Master of Ships just like being a good soldier doesn't instantly make you a good general.
They are giving command of their Navy (if they even have one) to a guy whose only experience with a fleet involved watching it get burned down by wildfire.
According to casting they're
Donnel Swann
Karyl Vance
Symond Templeton
Quentyn Martell
Rodrik Harlaw
>Drogon takes his mother to the farthest eastern lands
>angry, returns to where she was killed
>lays waste to THE ENTIRETY OF WESTEROS in animalistic vengeful uncontrolled rage
>Bran must find and learn to control him to prevent the death of every single person on the continent
>just being autistic
a last minute attempt to quell the twitter feminist uprising. it had no reason other than to put a female in a leadership role.
And the argument about, MUH NORTH WUZ INDEPENDEND FOR THOUSAND OF YEARS
DUHHHHHH, all kingdoms were. And Dorne was independent longer.
Dorne was never conquered.Hell the whole reason they are in is bc marriage.
Retard. All of the kingdoms were independent before Targ conquest. And Dorne resisted the longest.
1. Political stability
2. Mutual defense against the onslaught of negroes and mongols to the east
Sansa doesn't have to worry about this because her brother would likely help her if the north was invaded
So
>Stormlands
>Riverlands
>Vale
>Dorne
>Iron Islands
That means there are three people representing the North, three people representing the Vale, two people representing the Riverlands, two people representing the Iron Islands, two people representing the Stormlands and then the Westerlands, Reach and Dorne only get one guy each while Davos and Brienne are voting for who knows who.
actually hightower has a long history of bending the knee to avoid any sort of conflict
>all those keks doubting the God-Emperor of Mankind Brandon
They bent the knee to dragonlords and the Faith, not to some cutthroat with no loyal retainers and not even a fucking surname.
>Quentyn Martell
CONFIRMED ALIVE
We have a precedent for this in the Great Council of 101 AC where Jahearys called all the Lords together to decide who the heir would be when his second son and heir abruptly died, his first son's 27 year old daughter or his second son's 24 year old son. The lords ultimate chose the son over the daughter establishing male preference to Targaryen succession law.
Same thing should have happened here, called all the lords together for a vote. I imagine they didn't want to do that because it'd be too expensive to film after they spent all their money making dany look like hitler so the rest of the episode had to be super cheap.
It was her turn, give it a break already.
If Bran can see the future that means he saw this future and didn't tell anyone about Dany going mad, and he's supposed to be a wise king? He wanted the throne, he's a tyrant, he's just as guilty as Dany was
He can't see the future, he can see the past and history repeats itself.
Literally playing the longest game ever
I like how the Iron Islands guy is wearing northman gear since we apparently don't have a solid grasp of what the Iron Island noblemen dress like in this fucking show after 8 fucking seasons.
Jon Arryn is very old and Petyr fucked Lysa.
ALIVE
The difference is that the kingdoms were all these little post-tribal lordships that had never been united under single rule, while the north had an organized feudal system for thousands of years. What the targaryens did to westeros at large to unite the land, the starks had already done to the north millennia ago.
The better way of looking at it is, if the lannisters or the vale wanted to move past the targaryens, they would need to institute an entirely new system. The north bucking off targaryen rule is just going back to what their culture already knew, because the age of dragons is a recent development in their storied history.
because if there are 5 kingdoms with different tax policies then people will immigrate to the best one
sansa doesn't have ships either you mouthbreather
This is literally wrong though
>The difference is that the kingdoms were all these little post-tribal lordships that had never been united under single rule
what the fuck? in your head cannon maybe
Why do you lie on the internet?
Every Kingdom was ruled by a King with several lords serving under them, hell the entire notion of Knighthood and common religion didn't even exist in the North who worshipped trees, if anything the North was the more barbaric ones
You have the status of the andals and the first men backwards. Andals are mindless barbarians that the rest of the world laughs at. The first men were builders and kingdom makers, and to this day, southern andal pretenders still try to tie their lines back to first man high kings like lann and garth greenhand