Once the honeymoon phases ends for Endgame, what will the consensus be...

You don't know a lot do you. None of that is true

That's not why TLJ did poorly with fans. It was received poorly because of the bad writing choices, le epic plot twists that went nowhere and which only get worse the more you think about them, and forced characters.

As for Endgame. It just wasn't nearly as exciting or fun as Infinity War. It also felt a lot longer and slower too. Infinity War felt quick and snappy even at it's length. Part two dragged the whole three hours

>. It was received poorly because of the bad writing choices, le epic plot twists that went nowhere and which only get worse the more you think about them, and forced characters.
I like to be brief. You went the long way of saying it wasn't star wars enough

>As for Endgame.
like i said, regardless of what you think about its pacing or length, it gave its fans what they wanted, the complete opposite of what TLJ did.

>It just wasn't nearly as exciting or fun as Infinity War.
kind of hard to do when it wouldn't fit with the tone of the movie.

That it was a good ending celebration for the first arc of the MCU but maybe not as good a movie as Infinity War. The whole movie is "REMEMBER THAT THING" where IW was the big movie crossover every one expected with Spiderman, Dr Strange, and Iron Man doing combo moves, Thor getting even more OP, Cap fighting alongside Black Panther, Thanos wrecking shop, etc.

It's an acceptable finish. The first two arcs are good but overly long. The 3rd act is a big issue. The fight isn't as hectic as they want it to be and shots are made that obscure the rest of the huge fight. There are also no Infinity War level moments that are like Dr Strange vs Thanos or Iron Man vs Thanos that holds it up. The Captain America fight is too short and has too many cuts that stops it from being good.

>Once the honeymoon phases ends for Endgame, what will the consensus be?
Eh. Standard 201X blockbuster faire. Nothing special, beyond financially.
>I feel like it didn’t come close to Infinity War
It's on exactly the same level as Infinity war: unexceptional but servicable blockbuster that made lots of money. The main difference is that IW used shared world-building and the assumption of previous movies having been watched as a replacement for building narrative investment, and cheap shock value as a replacement for payoff, while EG used the assumption of a SPECIFIC movie having been watched as a replacement for building narrative investment, and uses cheap clipshow nostalgia as a replacement for both a middle AND a payoff.

Overall, both were lackluster, but not particularly bad.

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It'll remain loved. Peoplt still love Batman 1989 and Spider-Man 2. The MCU will be rememberex for its contributiobs to cape films. Its time should be over now, though

Very much untrue, Thanos literally does ONE thing. If you think the snap was "shock value" and not literally the one thing that has to happen in an Infinity Gauntlet story youre an idiot. And there's nothing wrong with not developing the main characters when they have trilogies, you're explaining it like that's inherently a bad thing when the protagonist was merely shifted to Thanos. And oh no, the sequel to the Avengers assumes you watched the previous Avengers.

>no Infinity War level moments
I don't know, worthy Cap busting out supers was pretty fucking great even if it was short and the only scene like it in the movie

>there's nothing wrong with not developing the main characters when they have trilogies
Each movie in the original Star-Wars trilogy works independently as a film, and makes you care about the protagonists and the narrative without any of the other films. It's not too much to expect, even from a blockbuster with sequels.

It was really fucking bad, especially compared to Infinity War

Tom Holland and Harley Keener Ty Simpkins are so handsome.

stop posting this.
thanks

>Each movie in the original Star-Wars trilogy works independently as a film
they really don't without some prior knowledge.

t. retard who still doesn't know why people hated TLJ

With the possible exception of Return (and only in certain parts) they really do though. The prequel trilogy doesn't work without prior knowledge and the Disney sequels absolutely don't. Honestly, often they both don't work even WITH prior knowledge, but that's a discussion for another time. Hell, the Disney sequels rely not only on an assumption of lore knowledge, but an assumption of entrenchment in the 201X internet movie hype machine, as a replacement for actual writing.

Dude both these movies are shit on rewatch.

>With the possible exception of Return (and only in certain parts) they really do though.
you agree with me and then put up a shit argument. They don't. And no one is talking about the other star wars.

What? TLJ was a stinker from the minute people saw it, they didn't just arbitrarily decide to hate it after the fact.

I liked how they gave closure to Captain America. It's not as great as the first movie and a lot of parts felt weak towards the second party, but like hell is it still several leagues above TLJ.

Right? TLJ made me not want it to exist. With Endgame, I want them to make mini movies about shit they glossed over. I want to see captain return the stones. I want to see the dusted reintegrating. I want to see strange picking everyone up.

One thing that keeps bugging me the more I think about it was Captain Marvel's response to why she wasn't around when thanos showed up

>There are a lot of other planets in the universe...and unfortunately, they didn’t have you guys.

yeah, but they weren't dealing with thanos....

It wasn't as good as Infinity War, every scene with Captain Marvel is terrible, Stark somehow has a functioning gauntlet despite Thanos needing the best forge in the galaxy, Thanos is a jobber; he no longer has a deeper philosophy and regret for his actions, he's just big strong guy wanting to destroy stuff, with an army he's just a stronger Ultron. He no longer uses the Stones properly, his biggest use is a power-punch against Mary-Sue when real Thanos would've turned her into ribbons.

Old man Cap is conflicting, as is snuffing Bucky for the Shield, still think he should've bit the bullet, especially with his brilliant showing with Mjolnir, go out like a badass, good fir for his character, but I can see why they did what they did, Stark's decision is lessened given he's already put himself up for sacrifice in the first Avengers, shouldn't have done that. Thor joining the Guardians has potential, wonder where they'll go from there since I doubt he'll be a mainstay.

>Thanos needing the best forge in the galaxy
maybe he didn't need it, maybe he just had them do it because they do that kind of shit.

If she recognized Steve she would freak out.

not if she was already married to steve...

In that case that would freak Steve out, because Steve wouldn't know yet that she knew the future.

Its going to grow on people
Infinity war was obvious but Endgame is a grower
The things they did for character arcs are going to be things we talk about for the next 20 years

plants the seed

>It also felt a lot longer and slower too
EG was longer and slower than IW, but that's not necessarily a bad thing.
>It just wasn't nearly as exciting or fun as Infinity War
It was exciting and fun in different ways, though I get that the self referential nostalgia wank isn't everybody's cuppa

The consensus will be that it was the last good Avengers movie

I really, really didn't like what they did to Thor. The Russos basically made all of the development he went through in Ragnarok irrelevant. The humor around it wasn't bad, sure, and I suppose his breakdown is understandable, but the whole concept of rising up to lead his people is completely destroyed. He casually passed it off to bum around the universe.

Like, where do you take his character from here?

Also, the Hulk. Was anyone else bothered by how casually they killed the character? Not literally, obviously, but when they 'merged,' the only thing left was Bruce. There's a whole Star Trek episode revolved around the morality of a situation like this, but it was entirely brushed off as if there was nothing bad or negative about it.

>Stark somehow has a functioning gauntlet despite Thanos needing the best forge in the galaxy
Thanos's gauntlet barely hurts the user even with all stones combined, whereas Stark's gauntlet actually hurts its user right on the spot even before attempting a snap. Stark might have a created his own gauntlet, but it doesn't mean it was nearly as well-made and functional as the original.

It's an awful movie even by capeshit standards. The mindless praise this film got was fucking insane.

more like the suck. and fuck.

His character arc was fine, rather my problem was the direction it put him through (i.e. passing off his throne even if it has nothing to do with his depression). I just hope Waititi does something to steer it back in the direction he had wanted in Ragnarok.

Marvel's cosmic universe is filled with aliens that easily outmatch the earth's heroes. A Super Skrull can come close to Hulk's strength level, Titannus beat the Hulk, Galactus can absorb entire planets, etc. Cosmic Marvel is pure insanity. That's why it's retarded that Thanos gets defeated by humans when the cosmic Marvel dudes can destroy entire galaxies with a fart.

It'll be regarded roughly the same way Age of Ultron is.

So a cheap blockbuster that everyone will forget in about a month? Yeah, sounds about right.

Yeah, that's the thing. Thor's still salvageable, but I think the Russo's did Waititi a disservice here. I feel like whatever the next movie will have to retread a lot of ground to get him back to a good character point, unless that's a key element of GotG 3. Thor finding out that Starlord fucked up, and could've prevented the snap in the first place sounds like a decent enough way to write him out of being a Guardians mainstay.

no it won't. No one liked ultron when it came out, endgame is well received.

Ultron was so bad that Civil War basically worked as the actual Avengers 2.

>Also, the Hulk. Was anyone else bothered by how casually they killed the character? Not literally, obviously, but when they 'merged,' the only thing left was Bruce.
They can easily make a situation where he hulks out from his current state. A bigger stronger hulk. Also give them a magical way to fix his arm.

Honestly it's about the same in terms of quality.

It's no IW, but it's a really appropiate way to end the saga; flawed, but with tons of payoffs and fan service moments
Time will only establish that it wasn't narratively as good as IW. That's it, the rest is great

honestly, it's not. Ultron was whedon garbage to the max. He had too much hyped and they allowed him to put shit out.

its sad that you actually think you arent a moron

youtu.be/GiU6mvzUvQE

pay attention stupid

Hulk's peak was Avengers 1, and it's gotten progressively shittier since.

Endgame was overhyped more than AoU. Both movies are full of garbage character arcs.

Except you're wrong and the majority doesn't agree with you so continue to SEETHE loser

>expecting anyone to watch 10 minutes of youtube shit from stupid pretentious faggot
yeah, no thanks.

>Endgame was overhyped more than AoU
I didn't say AoU was overhyped, I said whedon was, which allowed him to put a shitty movie out.

The biggest problems with AoU are the result of studio interference, not Whedon.

yeah, I doubt that. Studio interference is why the MCU is generally good.

Honestly this

I watched it. I don't know why I'm 'stupid.' I pretty much agree with him. I think my concern lies in how the Russos' 'regression' of Thor potentially fucks up an ending arc for him depending on whenever Hemsworth wants out of these movies. Dude's been playing the role for seven years now, and they need to basically build Thor up again to a self-respecting non-slob. Can they do that in two movies? Maybe. But Waititi's has to do some extra work now.

I want to say welcome to comic books.
Characters that are not replaced cannot move forward. Any villain that undertakes redemption will go back to what they were before no matter how contrived the reasoning.
And characters who are genuine movers will remain stuck on an endless loop of doing the same thing over and over again, proving themselves over and over, but never actually overcoming their issues in a lasting manner or changing the world in a meaningful way.
The Hulk will remain alone and sad, also will probably go back to smashing.
Thor will just fuck off and do whatever he did all over again, getting cocky before being put in his place again.
Loki will be a villain again, no matter what.
Stark will never actually bring mankind forward with his magical tech.
And so on.

The difference is while these are fictional characters, they're played by real people. RDJ is out. Done. There isn't going to be an Iron Man 4 with him, or an Avengers 5. If they ever want to bring Iron Man back, it's going to take a whole load of narrative fuckery, and it likely won't be for years out of respect for RDJ, and what he built.

Hemsworth is going to want out eventually. He's the only OG Avenger left. I was actually wrong in my last post, he's played the character for eight years. Ragnarok set up a finale for him. Now though he's going to need to be built back up. How long will that take, especially since Hemsworth's current contract is for two movies, I believe. Could they write a fitting ending in that time frame? Maybe. Couldhe renew for more? Possibly. But unlike comics, actors have to deal with time.

>actors have to deal with time
Not any more

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RDJ is remarkable although his acting is nothing special. But Chris Hemsworth can replaced with "Attractive guy with a beard number 3491" that no one will even notice.

Well in theory they can drop him off at any time by using outside context problems like the Beyonders or just kill him off altogether.
More pointedly, if they actually go all the way with what they imply in Far From Home about actual dimensional travel, which remains to be seen if its true or not because its Mysterio. they can bring in new actors and sell them as being from different universes.
Thor is dead or too old? Here come the Thor corps. Old Thor, Young Thor, Beta Ray Bill - who may or may not exist already. And naturally, Whor.
Loki is too old? Bring on Kid Loki and Ikol.
Stark is dead? Here's a different version more in line with the comics.
And so on. New versions, different struggles, circular character development, whatever you want you can get.
Even obvious ersatz. Remove Thor, here comes Hyperion. who is not a Thor ersatz but the idea is that the power set and the character can be replaced by a superficially similar entity.
And as another user pointed out in a different thread, incursions can make a lot of things possible.
Obviously all of that is extremely dubious still because Mysterio says that the MCU is 616 which is obviously false. But the potential exists.

>Part two dragged the whole three hours

I've got to disagree. Nobody I saw it with felt like the movie dragged at all. While we all had some minor complaints, generally we felt like the movie was great and did an excellent job with it's three hours, and not really feeling like it was three hours.

>There are also no Infinity War level moments that are like Dr Strange vs Thanos or Iron Man vs Thanos that holds it up.

This is probably my biggest complaint. While the entire "on your left" moment was fucking sweet, it just led into about 15-20 minutes of frequent cuts and no really good fight. Thanos vs Scarlet Witch was just SW holding Thanos until Thanos rained hell. Thanos using the Power Stone on Marvel was pretty cool, but that was probably 20 seconds of them going 1v1.

I guess Iron Man/Cap/Thor vs Thanos was meant to be that fight, but it was really IM/Thor getting their ass beat and then Cap having his hype moment with the hammer. Just not nearly on the same level of fight choreography as we had in Infinity War on Titan, which is probably the best fight in the MCU yet.

it was redpilled af. wrote the love letter to white heroes Tony and Cap. Fridged Natasha early to that at least 2 and a half hours out of 3 were sausagefest. Captain Mary Sue barely in the movie. Feminist team up got flickered by Thanos after 2 min. Wakanda got 1 speaking line kek. gave Sam Cap's shield knowing they'll never make movies with black cap kekekek

Are marvel movies finished?

Peaked, yes
Finished? Absolutely not

unfortunately no

> Scarlet Witch fights Thanos, a fight with huge emotions weight.
> Cuts to Black Panther and Spider-Man

Fuck the Russos.

>Part two dragged the whole three hours
The 70s sequence was one of the best parts of the movie, fag

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Terrible ending for such a successful saga.

>could become like TLJ
You're an imbecile.

it's more like Return of the Jedi following Empire Strikes Back, it's no where close to TLJ

As with all MCU movies, it's too bland to ever incite serious backlash like TLJ did

How did captain marvel find Tony in space?

Did the movie really kick off because a rat accidentally turned on the quantum thing?

The thing that made Infinity War great was Thanos and lots of fight scenes.
End Game has fuck all Thanos and no big fight scene till the last 30 minutes.

I didn't like the beginning scene with them going to the farm planet to kill him either. Did he just disband what was left of his army and tell them to go home or something?

>How did captain marvel find Tony in space?

The end credits scene of Captain Marvel is still canon. She knew Tony had gone to Titan and was either stranded there, or got stranded on the way back to Earth.
They use "jump points" to fast travel through space. She most likely just used the jump point from Earth to Titan and found the stranded ship along the way.

That or there was a tracking beacon or distress signal on the Benotar that Nebula turned on.