If you travel to the past that past becomes your future, and your former present becomes the past...

its simple. no matter where you are you are in the present moment. reading this word here you are in the present moment right now.
so if you travel back in time that is your current present so anything you've already done is not effected.
you cant change future events that've already happened to your future self, while you're in the past.
you are always in the present moment no matter what, and your history whether you've traveled in time to the future or past cannot be changed no matter what.

Just imagine time is a river. You're a fish in it. If someone pick you up and brought you from downstream to upstream, you don't magically become a tadpole again.

Why does shrek look like a redditor?

It doesn't make any sense, because Captain America went back in the past and changed his future in that same timeline, just like Back to the Future, which Endgame said was bullshit

To add to that, if someone picks you up and puts you in a separate stream down the road, the changes you make in that one don't affect the original stream.

This
Cap went back to the past and live there, he would create a different reality or timeline. Then how the fuck did he back to the "main" timeline to give the shield away?

someone explain to me wtf happened to Loki didnt he basically just take off with the stone and disappeared meaning hes alive in another timeline or is he still dead ? My head hurts.

You are writing a report on a Word doc for your homework assignment. It starts out as a generic report. You then add your facts into it to prove your argument. This is Timeline A.

Now you want to go back to a previous stage of the document, but you don't want to erase your current document. You take out the stuff you added previously and then rename it Timeline B.

There are now two documents - the first one, which you originally were working on, and a second one where you reverted some of the changes to start again from a previous time frame.

kino explanation

He teleported from Timeline A to return stuff in Timeline B.

He teleported back to Timeline A, but set the return date to 194X.

He then proceeded to do fucking nothing that would change the history of Timeline A. He knows exactly what would and wouldn't change history because he spent all his time from the beginning of his first movie to his second movie studying history.

The only real discrepancy is Peggy with her legal marriage, but there are plenty of ways to dismiss that as a non-factor - the simplest being that Steve Rogers assumed another identity, which is the one on the books as having married Peggy.

he was always Peggy's husband
this also means he made out with his niece

It's split timeline vs other kinds

$7000 budget

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>The brothers also reiterate that they believe that when Captain America stayed behind to live his life with Peggy Carter, he did so in a separate timeline from the one Marvel Cinematic Universe fans have been following.
>“Correct, so he would have to come back to this timeline in order to hand off the shield,” Joe said.

hasn't it been proven that this bullshit doesn't work already, like they sent particles back to try and change events and it didn't fucking work

The writers disagree with that actually.

But, wasn't that thrown out the window immediately when he met the Ancient One? He says the science is settled and she's all, "lolwtf, no here's the multiverse and here's what happens when you take our stones."

If it didn't matter, as Hulk implied, then they wouldn't need to replace the stones in their proper times.

The easier explanation is that because of the nature of time fuckery that isn't even the Captain from this timeline. Its a captain from another timeline and the Captain from the timeline we follow is having the same conversation with a different group of people.

you can go back in time but there's no predestination paradox. Changing something in the past doesn't change the future.

your first mistake is too think there's supposed to be any logic in capeshit

They said in the movie it's nothing like back to the future.

It was Peggy's grand niece or whatever with no blood relation. Still pretty scummy, I wonder if the Ruso's regret it.

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>brainlet that can't follow simple time travel rules

remember that mcu movie where hulk ripped fake Russian small titties cervix and her womb was filled with green gamma radiation cum

Giving blacks equal rights? What were they thinking?!

The explanation above is literally why it DOESN'T work like back to the future. You can't alter your "present" that you came from, it's still in your past, even if you're time-displaced. That means no disappearing pictures or fading fingers, or suddenly appearing scars.

it's not a closed loop

Lets put this another way. The stones erased people and brought people back in the same way that data is deleted and restored. So the universe does keep a record of us in some form of data. That means this specific universe recognizes that Captain America as the one who originated from it.

It isn't time travel. They move between different universes, Bioshock Infinite style.

What happens in Captain America's past-now-present-and-future?

You're on a rollercoaster. It goes through a loop. Even though you returned, the path of the track is still forward.

There's nothing to explain. Time travel does not exist and neither do its "rules"

So what about Captain america?

So then how in the fuck are they "trimming the branches"? If I go back in time for a stone, leave, that makes a new branch, right? So then even if I go back in time and place the stone back into the original spot the exact microsecond it was taken, you aren't trimming anything. There's just a third timeline where you go back and put a stone in the past.

Well no, but there there are rules of physics that would still theoretically apply.

Such as?

he saves bucky, howard builds him an arm, and with Peggy the four of them found SHIELD while purging Hydra scum
Steve and Peggy never doubt their love, but their is tension between Peggy wanting to run a spy agency where maybe you have to wait to trap more hydra agents compared Steve that wants to take direct action as he always has
Bucky and Howard get drunk with Dum Dum Dugan a lot
probably very few people from Steve's MCU movie past will be born, hopefully Hank Pym was conceived by the time Cap goes back

as per Ancient One, branching timelines are created when stones are removed. events that occur after the removal of a stone are part of an alternate reality. the thanos that they fight at the end is from one of these realities

captain america, however, by returning the stones to the exact moment they were taken, maintained continuity with the original timeline, since he never continued on in a reality that existed without one of the stones.

It's all about perspective user.
If you travel to the past sure you may have gone from the year 2019 to 2010 but, from your perspective, you've lived through some of the years that have yet to happen already. So everything you remember happening in those 9 years have to have happened.
The past you traveled to has become your new future sure, but the present you just left behind is now the past from your perspective, as it always does, no matter if you travel forward or backwards in the timeline itself. What was once the present to you will always become part of your past, regardless of you or the moment's position in the timeline. So nothing can be changed. The stuff you remember happening has happened.
It's basically explaining to you in a weird way why the grandfather paradox can't happen.

They then did some weird shit with cap at the end. But theoretically, if he was very VERY careful. He could have lived in the same timeline without changing anything.
If so then the explanation would be cap would've always traveled from the future to live out the rest of his life in the past untill he caught up to the time he left. A stable time loop.

They threw it under the bus in the scene but Bill and Ted actually did time travel correctly

Cap being there is not weird, he just travelled back from the future by getting old in a different timeline. One where he apparently fucked Peggy but left his counterpart in the ice.
Banner makes a point of saying he missed the point of return, because he moved farther forward along the timeline.

>So then even if I go back in time and place the stone back into the original spot the exact microsecond it was taken, you aren't trimming anything

No, considering the original timeline, the stone never went anywhere.

Changing the past should be impossible even by Back to the Future mechanics, because if you travel back in time to change something, then your reason to change it will disappear the instant you do so, so the you of the corrected timeline won't ever travel to the past, allowing events to once again happen as without interference, only bringing you again to the starting point.

Sure, but I wandered around in an alternate universe for a couple hours breathing their air and walking on their ground. Three branches.

The explanation was low IQ bullshit. It is probably the worst example of time travel in all of cinema.

I just finished watching the film and I'm a bit confused, how do they eliminate their alternate versions? Do they just need them to go back in time?

>how did you solve the paradox problem
>paradox problem?
>might want to look into it

Would it have been kino?

The plot claims it is the same universe/timeline and a new timeline is only born when an infinity stone is removed, but somehow returning it to the same time prevents that new timeline from being made. Yet Loki escapes with an infinity stone in their own timeline, Thanos leaves the past and dies in the future, and somehow it's the same timeline as before since no stones were removed? If that is the case then GOTG/Infinity War should be impossible because Thanos had already died.

No time-GPS bracelet, fuck off.

the thanos that died was an alternate timeline thanos. remember he travels to the future because stones had been removed from his timeline.

It means that snap still happened back there and they didn’t save anyone, just moved to comfy timeline where everything is ok. So the only way is to unsnap people.

It was meant to be confusing because the director hacks don't want to explain shit

There are basically 3 different time travel models in fiction: fluid, fixed, and fractured.

>fluid
Do what ever you want, time is your bitch.

>fixed
You literally can't change the past/future because the present/future that you came from was already affected by everything you're ever going to do in the past. It's already part of history. Destiny is real, son. Essentially, even if you don't know it, you've always been a part of history.

>fractured
Every time you move to the past you immediately fracture reality, creating 2 distinct universes:the one you left, and the one you traveled to. You can never go back to the future you left because it's now in another universe entirely. From the time travelers perspective, this is very similar to fluid time travel. If you're an asshole.

>Avengers End Game
EVERYTHING model. Time is both fixed, and fractured. Every time you travel to the past you create a new universe, yet you can return to your previous future whenever you want even if you've altered the past. Because your timeline is fixed, which apparently anchors you to your original universe or something. It's not very clear. What is clear is that (baring old Captain America stupidity) at the end of End Game there is apparently only one universe: the Prime universe, since Cap returned all the stolen infinity stones.

I feel like the everything model kind of works because of pym particles quantum universe bs

still confused about the problem with the peggy cap timeline fuckery you guys are complaining about

It's Dragon Ball Z time travel. It's literally that. And they still break that rule even.

Say you time travel 2 hours before 9/11 happened, the towers falling down will now happen in your future, and the moment you took a poop before the time travel, is in your past.

Its like in the DBZ cell arc, going back in the past is only possible if you switch a timeline

You cant go back to your own past because time is a succession of event and not a matter

so you can still travel back to the past with an almanac and bet. on tons of shit and become rich, you just cant go back to the present? who gives a fuck

>obtain stone
>time passes before you leave that timeline
doesn't that mean going back to exactly when it was taken is impossible since it's already part of Cap's past, at least for two stones, so they'd just be making another branch?

OK, explain how loki getting away with the tesseract makes any sense, then, if you're so smart

Can someone explain what's going on with Gamora?

>Gamora travels with Thanos to prime timeline
>All of Thanos' forces get snapped
>Quill is looking at a screen that has Gamora's face and says SCANNING on it

So does that mean she's now in the prime timeline? Why wouldn't she just be on Earth? She was last seen with Nebula and Nebula is on the ship with the rest of the Guardians; did she just take off for some reason?

mobie gaye,
best explanation

it follows DBZ time travel rules

Like Dragon Ball Z

Avengers is two of these categories as you've explained them. Their interaction isn't arbitrary though, it's explained by the buddah chick.

Using your definitions as a base to re-explain: the infinity stones create what is perceived to be the flow of time in the Prime universe. The Prime universe is thus fixed by the existence infinity stones at a particular time, hence why Dr. Strange fucking around with the Eye of Agamotto leave him stranded. You can only fracture the Prime universe by removing/destroying infinity stones that existed in the past (as their very existence created that past), thus creating alternate realities. As a side note, you can also apparently travel along the Prime timeline using an alternate reality called the Quantum Realm, accessible only by using magic red goo.

The key here is that the Avengers REMOVED infinity stones during the time heist particular points of time, thus destabilizing the Prime universe, allowing for fuckery to occur.

However, Cap then replaced the stones at the exact moment they left at the end of the movie, precluding the creation of any alternate universe.

Thus, Cap staying in the past doesn't mess with the Prime universe, because he had always stayed in the past. Likewise, Thanos/Gamora/Nebula/Black Order teleporting to the future doesn't mess with the Prime universe, because, again, they had always jumped to the future while the Prime universe was destabilized by the absence of one or more Infinity Stones (which was ONLY possible because Nebula pulled them into the future, otherwise the absence of the Infinity Stones would not have been perceivable in 2014), but simultaneously never left because the Prime universe was never destabilized from their perspective in 2014 and thus they were never pulled into the future.

The only thing that isn't explained is Loki escaping with the Tesseract and how that will end up working out.

Have Chuck

>hence why Dr. Strange fucking around with the Eye of Agamotto leave him stranded
typo - I meant "didn't leave him stranded"

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Holy fuck, Hulk explained like 3 times, there is no time travel, time travel is dumb and doesnt make sense, they just hop to other realities.

>mfw the directors tried to damage control this fuck up away in interviews
Lmao just don't bother the people who like this garbage don't care for consistency or good writing

It wouldn't matter for our timeline. If Hulk never gave the stone back, nothing would change for him.
But for HER timeline, she'd lose the stone forever. And since she was the one he was dealing with, he had to convince her he would bring it back. And because the Avengers are heroes who care about people, they return the stones they took to try and minimize the potential harm to the alternate universes.

Well that, and so Steve would have an excuse to sneak off and retire.

Film is orrible and boring but time travel is cool

I think the infinity stone being removed was only an example the ancient one used as the most relevant change, and not the literal only thing that could ever create a new timeliness.

nice one guys, you really tore him a new one

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(crickets)

It's Dragon Ball time travel. If you go back to your past, you don't change your future. You just create a new timeline.

>so many retards here can’t understand capeshit
Lmao he literally explains several times that going back in time wouldn’t change the snapped timeline, people here would still be dead and to fix that timeline they need stones again.

just give me an answer
in avengers time line lore does changing the past change the future?

to erase all the blackface scenes that suck ass

I get that. what I don´t get is how they manage to get back to their timeline

Because that's how their time travel works. In fact, it's easier to understand here than in DB.
Here, the time travel always brings them back to their origin. In DB, Trunks can apparently choose whether or not to go back to his own future.

Wait did endgame rip off the time travel mechanic from that Crichton novel?

bait.

primer have clones of alternate universe as that captains battle

too bad the russos didnt make a few clones stay in main time line. such a downer.

>mfw captain america's ending contradicts this
Boy was this movie garbage

There's time dilation when going FTL (faster than light). Time slows for the person travelling and at that velocity.
If a ship went to space for like 50 years at a specific FTL speed, the people of Earth would see the ship, grow old as normal and the crew would come out only aging minutes or hours. The crew could come back and find their kids are now old enough to be the same age as the crew's parents or grandparents, as for the crew they were only gone minutes though for Earth it was decades.

That's why 2014 Thanos and Nebula could die and yet GotG could still take place as with the Orb placed back before Thanos discovered the time travel keeps him alive and present-Nebula can also exist after killing her past self.

Wouldn't mind have seeing Cap somehow close those up those threads.

Though how would he return the Soul Stone on Vormir?

His show will do that, I'll wager.

Yeah, that was stupid there's no way she could've went that far to be unable to be scanned. Hope Tony snapped her ass.

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For a brilliant guy, Banner chose to explain time travel in the dumbest way possible ... possibly because he was talking to Scott.

How tho? Does a movie have to spell everything out for you? Can't you infer?

How does the aging process work with Ant-man on their failed tests? Didn’t they just discover a way for people to be undying of old age? Why didn’t they just have old Cap use the time suit to make himself younger

Don't think just DAB

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what ps3 game is this?