Haha

>never lived in commie country
Literally no one has ever lived in a commie country, communism has never been implemented.

lol I love watching anglos seethe

Remember: Chernobyl is not your history, you loaded your HBO show with inaccuracies and SJWism, couldnt even do proper accents or even use the right language for the show, and you’re not European (you’re from Central Asia)

Dude, my mother is a university professor. In the Soviet times we were part of the elite, now her wage is barely above the minimum one, meanwhile our government and almost all other positions of power (e.g. big business, army, etc) is composed of literal criminals who were in their 20-s at the time of the collapse and got rich my creating a widespread mafia in the 90-s.

You don't have any idea what our country is and what it's like to live here. Unless you are willing to suck the elite's cock (either literally or figuratively) your only hope is to migrate to the EU to work as a construction worker for 300$ a month.

Otherwise you'll unironically starve

I agree with you. However, please don't feed the trolls.

test if im banned

Why are you so obsessed with Central Asia. Fucking saw you bring it up in two different threads.

>Hopefully Putin will annex your whole pathetic excuse for a country soon
You think it's better in Russia, lmao?

It's literally the same shit in their country, only they got lucky and struck oil in Siberia which is why their average wage is 100$ higher than our so at least they don't starve.

Just stating the truth, Genghis.

xD

So what you're saying is...communism is great as long as you're in the elite ruling class?

>Intellectual elite

>Being the ruling class

Just hw braindamaged are you?

>because of communism my family was part of the elite during this time we haven't developed any valuable skill because you didn't need to be useful during communism
>nowadays in order to get money we actually have to work and it sucks

I am not even sure if this is a troll or what right-wing americans actually believe

based

you literally said your family was a part of the elite during communism
you can't take that back just because we are using it against you

You tell me chief. You're saying your grandma was "part of the elite" in what is supposed to be a classless society.

Why don’t you learn Spanish or Korean and move to one of those communist utopias?

>waaah my scum family that reported people to gulag got turned out on their ass by chechens

Ever wondered why even even needed to choose between two systems invented by jews to divide and conquer. Civilization didn't wait for any economic system to thrive.

>Soviets bad
true.

>Capitalism good
wrong.

People here unironically defending soviet niggers who refused to warn their citizens and neighbouring countries of a nuclear plant disaster? You're literally dumb as fuck. Braindead fucking monkeys.

>you literally said your family was a part of the elite during communism
Elite, as in we were well-supplied, because the system was intrinsically meritocratic. IF you got good grades in school you' get into a good university and get a good job and would be rich. If you were a poor dumb fuck, you'd live poor. Now it's the other way around. Whoever has the relatives in the positions of power, or whoever is the most amoral and who is willing to steal more - he's rich. While normal people are poor.
I am going to fuck off from this thread before I get banned for offtopic lol

Let me just say that you westerners have absolutely no idea what life under communism was and you know even less what its like to live in the former USSR right now.

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>Soviets bad
>Capitalism good

Yeah sounds good to me

>communism caused chernobyl
i guess japan is a communist country...

I am learning Chinese as we speak. I hope to get into university to major in IR and fuck off from this god forsaken country once and for all

>When the high level party official is also the most based character

wtf i love communism now

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so your family was "elite" during a time where it was generally accepted to be the WORST for the overwhelming majority of people living under the Warsaw Pact?

How many people did your grandpa purge?

Tell me all about the Black Sea tsunami of 1986

>Communism was unironically far better than what we have right now
Imagine being so retarded he actually believes that

>taking the bait

>system was intrinsically meritocratic
that's not how communism works at all.

>knows literally absolutely fuckall about history except their middle school textbooks
CAPITALISM GOOD

People in socialist countries had every right to rebel against socialist dictatorship. However, doing so they managed to get rid of socialism, but not dictatorship.

>"the system was intrinsically meritocratic IF you got good grades in school you' get into a good university and get a good job and would be rich."
>He says describing communism
>"Whoever has the relatives in the positions of power - he's rich"
>he says describing capitalism
hahahahaha
Guess you should write a book about communism son
Almost literally every single person so far got it wrong. Even those two faggots that wrote the manifesto

pretty sure the 90s early capitalism is seen as worse by nearly everybody

>socialist dictatorship
Literal antonyms. A contradiction.
Thanks for the laugh user!

Except no former socialist country in Europe is a dictatorship anymore with the exception of Belarus which is not a real country.

sorry you got your video games and stocked grocery stores late, but transition takes time.

Reminder that anglos (that includes the UK and NA and Austromutts) are shitting their pants at the NWO being established by the Russo-China-Iran alliance. With the melting of the Northwest Passage it looks to be an even more profitable time for them. Of course we will start to see anti Russian, anti Chinese, and anti Iran propaganda being pumped out by the Central Asian zog alliance, but in the end it’s all futile because only brainlets care about MSM, and brainlets can’t lead. They can only be led. That’s the issue with central asiatics. They work hard to hone their kabuki theatre skills but they forgot to improve all their real life skills.

To be honest the only “anglo” (it’s more francophone let’s be honest) country that can thrive in the future is Canada, but even they seem to want to ally with the Russians/Chinese more than the US/UK looking at their latest talks.

Gonna be some fun times ahead that’s for sure.

>newfags actually reply to tripfags

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>I am going to fuck off from this thread before I get banned for offtopic lol
Yeah I'm sure that's why you're leaving and not the fact that you're getting BTFO by everyone ITT

in order to enforce Communism, you must ENFORCE Communism.

I mean considering they were pretty close to leaving the European continent uninhabitable I'd say it was pretty bad.

>NWO being established by the Russo-China-Iran alliance
If you took the mudshits out of that list someone paranoid enough about muh Russia or muh China might actually believe you

based retard

This is 100% true

>Yeah I'm sure that's why you're leaving and not the fact that you're getting BTFO by everyone ITT

How can someone even BTFO me> I am talking from experience, and the only answers I get are right wing memes and phrases "haha you're stupid"

I haven't seen a single argument here against what I said, lol.

there is absolutely no propaganda in this show so far and I say this as someone who supports nuclear. If you believe otherwise you should kys

Stay mad anglo

>tfw V. I. Lenin Nuclear Power station fulfilled its five-year plan of energy production in 14 microseconds

Capitalists BTFO

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>Except no former socialist country in Europe is a dictatorship anymore

Good one.

Imagine being so economically illiterate that you unironically support communism.

Despite the memes, the Kremlin/st petersburg trolls are real. Ever notice how pro russian this site has been since the usa election?

And true.
Crack a book you fat fuck.

I'm not even anglo fag
I'm in south america doesn't matter to me who wins this dick waving contest just saying that putting Iran on that list turns a good troll into something too ridiculous for anybody to believe

your experience is that your family prospered during a time where the most of the people under that economic government structure suffered

now that structure has ended, your family sucks shit. I mean it's perfectly natural to be mad of course YOU'D want communism back but most people would not. adapt nerd.

>the Kremlin/st petersburg trolls are real.

OH NO NO NO NO imagine actually falling for eurocrat and nato propaganda

guy is probably underage and his mom said to him it was really good
his family is poor now and was once rich
of course he's going to believe it

Mate. Are you trying to tell me that Russia, Hungary or most of the Balkan aren't dictatorships?

>muh anecdotal evidence trumps everything else

One of their tactics is discrediting the opponent by affiliating them with the EU that has been in great troubles recently.

i remember the chernobyl sabotge and explosion, they were giving us iodine so we wouldn't absorb the radioactive one

the site has always been positive of neutral about russia. the difference now is 1. you're looking for it and 2. you're noticing a contrast with how negatively your other sites (reddit.com) have become.

They always do this. Fucking maggots we despise those useful idiots.

Russia, Ukraine and Belarus never fully transitioned, the rulers changed their names but they were raped by oligarchs so it's hard to fault them that they prefer the most murderous failure of a system than common disorder.

>muh experience
yes your family was living large while being useless to society while most people were oppressed and killed
now that the government no longer dictates who is more important to society your family is fucked because they have no marketable skills

Stay mad anglo

itt retards arguing that the ussr, china, dpkr were/are communist rather than the former 2 being state capitalism and the latter being a monarchy

I believe you. You were in the last thread with the same spurdo 85 iq posts like "but i thought no glass in gommunism xd"

>>muh experience
>yes your family was living large while being useless to society while most people were oppressed and killed
>now that the government no longer dictates who is more important to society your family is fucked because they have no marketable skills

This is what american low IQ brainlet alt-rightists actually believe

whatever helps you sleep at night pal
but seriously just remove the towelheads from your fanfic and more people will believe it

Price controls, subsequent resource scarcity and surplus. There's your arguments you absolute fucking retard.

>your experience is that your family prospered during a time where the most of the people under that economic government structure suffered
>
>now that structure has ended, your family sucks shit. I mean it's perfectly natural to be mad of course YOU'D want communism back but most people would not. adapt nerd.
Yes, ask your average person in my country. Unless they're retarded nationalists or christiancucks (both of which were repressed in the country) they'd say the same thing I am saying.

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t. ivan sukanovich whose parents moved to the west because they were smart while their mongol kid larps as an anti-west russian

Sorry bout it anglo

Yes. Are you stupid or just trolling?
One of the tactics of eurocrats and the NATO strategic communications program is to blame everyone who points out obvious problems in society of being a russian troll.

It's super effective and idiots like you eat it up like chocolate candy. Not only does it create a "citadel under siege" mentality who makes the NPCs blindly obedient but it also discredits the dissident, by calling him a "troll" aka someone who's opinion is not only paid for but also not serious so it shouldnt even be considered.

You're a waste of oxygen if you believe theat Russia who is currently suffocating under international sanctions can affort to pay paople to shitpost, on fucking Yea Forums of all places.

Kill your fucking self asap.

nice arguments pal
the best part about this whole thing was you admitting you want communism back because your family was part of the ruling elite
next time you decide to defend that retarded regime try not outing yourself

>Unless they're retarded nationalists or christiancucks

Or from the top 10% of the thieves, ofcourse*

holy shit butthurt

>communism was better.gif
>no sources or date

Dumb question but what's the difference between communism and state capitalism?

I don't enter Chernobyl threads, and I hardly ever post, but seeing you deflect (saying communism for Ukraine was bad is an alt-right belief now lel) deny reality and argue that communism was good for Ukraine just because you're family were part of the elite is just too good to let go.
Please continue to embarrass yourself ITT about how only you know that communism was great because your grandma got in good with the party by sending her friends to the gulag.

>Soviets bad
>Capitalism good

yes

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Maybe in Afghanistan where you’re from lol

Based boomer retard

the dumbshits that say how bad life under communism was, because their jewish dads told them, are just brainwashed idiots who have no idea about it

life was ok, normal life, it was not an easy life full of luxury, but it was a pretty decent life overall, you didn't have tons of worthless plastics that you could buy, but you had a decent place to live, a secure job, medical care, education, no degeneracy and so on

lol thread ended with facts and logic oh wait

Don't you see any irony in your claims? The modern russian mentality is all about US vs THEM. Great difference being that your freedom of press is way more limited than those in the west.

Soviets had the world's most effective police and spy organization and you think that they haven't adapted to the internet age to spread bullshit among enemies?

>He doesn't know how to search by image

Cringe

pewglobal.org/2009/11/02/end-of-communism-cheered-but-now-with-more-reservations/communism220px/

a communist society would be classless and stateless
a state capitalist society has the state control production and enterprise or production and enterprise are funded in part or in whole by the public while still being owned privately

Too bad all wealth we have today was created outside of gold standard.

>Soviets had the world's most effective police and spy organization
rofl

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Hes right you know

Take Econ 101.

ABSOLUTELY BASED USAPOSTER

USA USA USA
#1 SO HARD ITS NOT EVEN FUNNY

RUSSIANS HAVE SOME SKILLS BUT THEY DON'T FULL SPECTRUM DOMINATE THE PLANET ANYWHERE CLOSE TO HOW WE DO

JUST A SHAME OUR CULTURAL AGENDA IN THE CURRENT YEAR IS SO LAUGHABLY POZZED #YASSSQUEEN! LMAO

Based. Even real life kino is anti-Communist
Yeah, it's a fun watch. Ignore the tripfag who's been whining about "SJWs." He's been spamming threads constantly
>not even measuring quantifiable data, just asking for peoples' perceptions on the economic situation
>thinking that the economic situation is the only thing that matters in the first place
Follow your leaders

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yeah its a good thing that economics 101 teaches everything there is to know about economics right? and economics is an exact science that is immune to theory?

I'm not the ukranian guy just thought your retard could only come from somewhere like you said your from

>In the Soviet times we were part of the elite, now her wage is barely above the minimum one,
Seems pretty fair for soviet "professor"
Also, shouldn't you be glad? You are closer to working class now, truly classless society

>The modern russian mentality is all about US vs THEM

And so is the western mentality if you paid any attention you fucking imbecile.
Also the western security apparatus wasnt exactly inferior to that of the soviets you dumb peasant. Not only that but the west has constantly been investing in it's security apparatus since 2008 and 2014.

The difference is: the west does actually have the means to spread bullshit about "russian trolls" in order to defend the political establishment and its retarded policies.
And they dont need any paid trolls to do so because they have the media on their side.
The russians? They dont have the money to pay so many people as to shitpost on every website you morons get triggered on. They have their media too, but that only works internally.

>>not even measuring quantifiable data, just asking for peoples' perceptions on the economic situation

Literally my first and second posts in the thread: You're glowing, retard

People who shill for communism in the modern age are either literal shitskins or upper middle-class white suburbanite NEETs that don't want to work.

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i'm much smarter, better educated with much more life experience than you
be humble, shut the fuck up and learn something

israel's intelligence apparatus is even more powerful if you can believe it

I have a friend from Hungary who grew up under communism and could give you stories for days about how shit it was. You're an obsolete beta NEET that wants to get money for existing and you think communism will do that for you despite all the mountains of evidence people like you would simply be worked to death and summarily killed under communism. "Collectivization" is a meme and leads to hyper-aristocracy.

Any understanding of even basic economic history would show you how inefficient/ineffective communism is. Your argument for it starts and ends at price controls. Learn about that first before spewing retarded shit.
Russia had massive surpluses and scarcity because they tried to manage everything themselves instead of allowing for a free market. Russian economic analysts even spoke up against it, and Stalin put them to death for defying him.

You clearly aren't because you don't even understand the basic importance of price controls in an economic environment.

Kek, the graph I responded to is still shit no matter whatever other graphs you posted. If you want me to respond to the others too, though, then I simply want to ask if you think the collapse of a decades-long empire wouldn't naturally have economic and QoL consequences? It's common sense. Why don't you instead compare the economic and QoL conditions of Commuinist-controlled East Germany to those of Capitalist West Germany to figure out which system was better? And we're not even talking about political freedoms or respect for human rights here, which we both know would not reflect well on Communism.

Don't mix the average russian (most likely a great dude) with your government, who has all the money in the world to organize these kind of misinformation campaigns.

Even though soviets collapsed, the corrupt government remains.

The "weakness" of west is that every idiot gets a podium to spread his bullshit. Not the same in Russia.

The thread's going to get nuked at this rate, so what is everyone's favorite episode so far?

>price controls and control economy are communism
Learn about that first before spewing retarded shit.

Misinfo:the post

>QoL conditions of Commuinist-controlled East Germany to those of Capitalist West Germany to figure out which system was better?
Incompatible.

Soviet bloc countries had far poorer starting conditions. Actually, I am 100% sure that as of 1985 commie countries were far closer to the Western countries in terms of living standard than in 1913.

WEst Germany was on life support from the West, meanwhile the entirety of eastern europe (including east germany) was destroyed in the war almost entirely and had better places to spend their money on).

And the fact that you don't understand that shows that you're just your average #maga neckbeard retard with

>like communism
>refuse to defend it when Eltsyn shoot shit out of bolsheviks
>refuse to be smart and help your people
>let oligarchs (aka ex-members of communist party) take power and vote for them like sheep
>fucking capitalism

This and the eric watson guy. Complete autists

So they built the wall to protect their citizen who wanted to jump to a country ran by an inferior system?

>meanwhile our government and almost all other positions of power (e.g. big business, army, etc) is composed of literal criminals
Here's a little nugget for you; those same criminals will occupy positions of power regardless of which economic system you choose to implement.

Both capitalism and communism work out just fine in theory. But in practice, it's the people within a nation who decides how it'll work out. If your leaders are exploiting you under capitalism, they'd exploit you under communism. And vice versa.

>i have a friend
oh lol, re-read my post and punch yourself in the face several times, you deserve it
you're nothing and never will be anything, the sooner you realize this, the better, for your own good and mental health

>Soviet bloc countries had far poorer starting conditions.
South Korea and Japan had even worse starting conditions

I just have to say that I find it absolutely fantastic that a bunch of western boomers+alt right brainlets are trying to tell actual eastern europeans how bad communism was and how great our life currently is

This is... fascinating, to say the last

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They literally were in USSR. The government controlled the means of production, distribution, exchange, and pricing. Despite being one of the most naturally endowed countries in the world when it came to natural resources, countless starved and they had inummerable accounts scarcity, surpluses, and other economic inefficiencies. They had areas labeled "Black Earth", prime for farming, situated a few miles from starving cities because of communisms inherent mismanagement.

>mfw Yea Forums is merely a meme factory, like Chernobyl is a power plant
plenty of cancer around here too

I'm literally citing Thomas Sowell. What are your credentials?

How do you know where every poster is from? Or do you just see what you want to see?

How convenient for you that you claim to have no way of measuring Communism's economic successes, especially when the picture the data paints is not all that favorable for you. What about China, then? China's one of great unsung victims of your shitty system. Was that #NotRealCommunism when millions starved in the largest man-made famine in history, or do you have another excuse?
>bringing up Trump out of nowhere
Kek. This thread's not going to last much longer, but it's been a fun ride

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But their government absolutely doesnt have the money to spread bullshit on fucking Yea Forums. Are you even serious right now?
Even the west doesnt seem to manage to penetrate the russian media and discussion space and we do have a lot of money and a shitton of different agencies to work on it.

You simply overestimate the Russian capabilities because you've been fed a lie.

If you even for a second believe that Russia pays people to post on Yea Forums then i recommend taking a break from the internet and reevaluating your life.

so i see you gathered so much knowledge from your high school textbook and you're the nerd of your class, wow, wow, your mom must be impressed how much you know about life

i told you already, be humble

cringe.

Russia is literally communist right now user

you can shit on state capitalism all you want bro just dont conflate it with communism/socialism

Kleptocracy, friend.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleptocracy

>Russians dont engage in cyops and digital propaganda. Nigger your own argument is against you, the fact that they are poor is why it's such a great investment on return. Some anti Hillary and TPP memes galvanized the entire right wing of the west.

>it wasn't real communism/socialism
Like a clockwork

>Communism is so trash that every attempt to implement it leads to tyranny or the worst form of a different economic system
How is that a better image that just admitting that the USSR was Communist?

I have a degree in economics from one of the most prestigious schools in America. You haven't offered any rebuttal against the inefficiency of price controls and its subsequent resource misallocation because you don't have one.

The west has minimal influence on Russia simply because the media is so controlled.

But if you continue arguing that the country with the most nuclear warheads in the world can't afford to pay a division of misinformation trolls, then I truly believe you're either working for them or just delusional.

I know I am from eastern europe. Lmao.

It's clear that people arguing against me are not from Eastern europe, and I guessed the maga/boomer stuff based from their arguments

every board on this site including Yea Forums and /his/ somehow have the most brain dead retard understanding of politics

To be honest you don't have to pay them with Chernobyl threads

Everyone in this threads needs to have sex

>state capitalism
Fucking lel

Price control is inherently a part of socialism/communism. And it's extremely inefficient.

economicsdiscussion.net/economic-problems/price-mechanism-in-free-socialistic-and-mixed-economy/6762?fbclid=IwAR3kVcxHIgHUPBWrLHeSHtccHAvO5wZFLoQrANNhwGxisK0CecT5-5B6KPc

No, they built the wall because east germany was poorer than West germany and people were migrating en masse.

You know what's funny? All these eastern european countries are still poorer than west germany. Even East germany is poorer than West, despite the massive investment by the german government that even introduced a special tax that still exists

What about your parents?

I hear the baltic countries are relieved to be independent once again. Estonia is growing like crazy for example.

I live in a post-communist european country called Poland (you might have heard of it), was born here a few years after the soviet union collapsed

What we have right now is unironically far better than communism ever was.

I'm sorry that your country didn't manage to transition properly and remained withing russia's sphere of influence.

>A kleptocracy is a government ruled by corrupt politicians who use their political power to receive kickbacks, bribes, and special favors at the expense of the populace.

Unironically sounds like the US. Presidential candidates, Senators, Congressmen, Governors, Mayors, all having bow down to corporations in order to be able to afford the outrageous campaign spending to even stand a chance. $20-50 million to run for the Senate. $100-500 million to run for President.
Do Americans really think that corporations donate out of the kindness of their heart while expecting nothing in return?

Russia is a corrupt cesspool, but pretending that the US isn't following very close behind is stupid.

>Estonia is growing like crazy for example.
>promising population that after 15 years they will live like Finland

Baltic people and fleeing from their shithole countries. No countries in the world where the population decreases more rapidly.

if you dont know what communism or socialism are dont comment on the subject, its frankly quite embarrassing.
if you'd like to discuss the merits of state capitalism, state capitalism brought a largely agrarian society at the end of world war 2 into a superpower on par with the power of the united states who had begun industrializing some 40 years before
ah yeah price controls those things that can be implemented when there's no state to implement them!

Objectively wrong. The BKT keeps growing and growing.

The western media is also controlled, or rather has the same masters as the political establishment. Same as in Russia.
Not only that but if you ever been on social media or news websites censorship is very VERY real and harsh in the west. Your posts get removed in minutes if you post certain things, probably the same as in russia. So yeah the russian troll brigades would be an absolute waste of money cause they'd get shut the fuck down.

The paid poster thing only works domestically with minimal effect i might add. But offensively it would take an obscene amount of resources.
There are thousands of western news websites and hundreds of image boards, each of these can have a traffic ranging from a few people to hundreds of thousands per day. A shithole like russia would go broke paying as many people as to even make a dent in the narrative on these websites.

Any study on government corruption and economic freedom displays an inverse relationship.

>Unironically sounds like the US.
Already got a word for them, Plutocracy.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plutocracy

>into a superpower on par with the power of the united states
Once again like a clockwork.
Comrade Cockhole, care to explain why none stand to defend it when USSR collapsed?

IT REALLY ISN'T, THEY ARE JUST VERY NICHE SPECIFIED AND HAVE THE BEST HUMAN ASSETS EMBEDDED IN THEIR REGION

THIS THING ABOUT PISSANT #32 GDP ISRAEL RUNNING AMERICA IS ENTIRELY BACKWARDS
AMERICA RUNS EVERYTHING, ALLIED COUNTRIES ARE JUST AMERICAN SATELLITES USED FOR VARIOUS PURPOSES

CHINA IS THE REAL OPPONENT FOR THE BIG GAME, THEY MURDER ALL THE SPIES IMMEDIATELY, NOT LIKE THEY DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN STEAL FROM US ANYWAY LMAO
WHILE WE LET THEIR SPIES INTO OUR WORLD LEADING DARPA FUNDED RESEARCH UNIVERSITIES AMONG THE OBVIOUS CIVILIAN AND MILITARY FACILITIES

WITH THE ASYMMETRICALITY IN CYBER, ALL THE TOP TIER PLAYERS ARE PRETTY MUCH EQUAL IN THAT SPHERE
MOSSAD IS NOT BETTER THAN NSA, USA IS KING IN ALL REALMS

WHAT GIVES AMERICA THE BIGGEST EDGE IS DOMINANCE OVER THE GLOBAL FINANCIAL NETWORK AND LEVERAGING THE ABILITIES THAT COME WITH THAT

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Your examples are most likely from private platforms like Twitter and Facebook. I'm talking about true free press, as in what your government deems acceptable or not.

>A shithole like russia would go broke paying as many people as to even make a dent in the narrative on these websites.
Top kek

>ah yeah price controls those things that can be implemented when there's no state to implement them!
Yes? Someone's putting them in place if it's not a free market.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=XijSWs79Mbo

>his country is like Africa with white people
>claims his country transitioned properly
Polkeks

goods don't have prices in communism.

and the united states's collapse will soon follow
if communism is achieved, there is no longer a state, or money
next

You might be retarded.

Fuck off and enjoy the hell of the Baltic shithole.

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>and the united states's collapse will soon follow
Of course...
You keep saying this for 100 years

what about talpiot and unit 8200?

>comparing Poland to Africa
They're better off than most of Europe right now, unless you're the kind of fag who thinks that GDP is God

>if communism is achieved, there is no longer a state, or money
next
That's retarded. Even if that were the case then you'd still the same amount of resources, which are going to be poorly allocated because communism is never as effective at determining the value of any good or service as a free market.

What are these population change charts supposed to prove? Is Turkey the most successful country in europe?

Estonia is improving and far more advanced once they got rid of the soviet invaders.

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*paid by Billionaire lobby groups

It's less a critique of communism and more a critique of bureaucracy. A single idiot in the chain of command made everything worse.

That no one wants to live in your shithole Estonia, you stupid idiot.

Holodomor google it

what

just ignore the massive growing gap between the rich and the poor, the rising national debt, rising sea levels which will displace millions of people, and the personal debt most young americans are carrying around. nope no chance of the united states's collapse within my lifetime not a chance
you're still caught up in your misconception that communism is total state control, which it is actually the opposite, or communism is an invisible god that isnt as good as the capitalist invisible god.

Why are you describing the "country" of Ukraine?

STUXNET WAS CUTE BUT ITS NOT SOMETHING PARTICULARLY SPECIAL OR NOT PREVIOUSLY CONSIDERED BY AMERICA

USA HAS TOTAL INFORMATION AWARENESS

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>Estonia is improving and far more advanced once they got rid of the soviet invaders.
That's true. But it only worked for the Baltic States. And I suspect (i am not an expert) the reason is that they have very small populations (population of estonia - 1 million people, Lithuania and Latvia are both at 2 mil) and are on life support from the European Union.

This is why they only started to get better in the early 2000-s after they got accepted into the EU. The conditions there in the 1990-s were truly horryfying, possibly the worst in the whole europe since world war 2

I highly recommend you watch picrelated. This is a swedish film, and for me it's in top 5 of the most depressing films of all time. Possibly on number 1 place too.

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Living in wooden shacks with government censoring free press must be awesome.

You've never even set foot in Estonia, most likely never even left your country.

Stay mad and wrong.

>your source doesn't agree with me so I'll ignore it
Just look at Venezuela and Russia. Government officials live like pigs while others suffer.

Oh, I almost forgot, the most tragic thing about that movie is that it's based on a real life story

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danguolė_Rasalaitė

>Lead is the heaviest element in nature which is stable (non-radioactive).

Wouldn't that be Gold AU197 which is the heaviest and stable/non radioactive naturally occuring isotope?

>muh true free press

The "true free press" most of the times doesnt even have a comment section anymore you utter cretin.
And yes, the governments in Europe DO enforce censorship on private platforms and on the "free press" platforms which are also... PRIVATE.
So you not only get censored by the media platform owners, you can also get arrested if you insist in making your voice heard.
Where do you retards even get the idea that the press and discussion spaces are "free" in the west? Probably because you're all conformist retards who's opinions are deemed acceptable.

>just ignore the massive growing gap between the rich and the poor,
Guess what country is top#1 in this chart?
>nope no chance of the united states's collapse within my lifetime not a chance
Well gonna give mutts that, unlike commies they proved to be able to adapt for changing situation.
>you're still caught up in your misconception that communism is total state control
Except it's not misconception, it's conception invented by Stalin aka "developing socialism in separate state"

wtf I love EU now?

mate just fucking google communism this is an embarrassment

Your "economic freedom" is a doctored construct that is altered on the fly to bring the results that favor the money givers ideology.

Sources on your claims, please.

I know you're full of shit. But those memes about British police confiscating butter knifes are so fucking epic!

And you won't acknowledge the fact that the government elects ultimately decide the prices and values of goods and services in a communist market, which is much less efficient than a free market.

how did they miss 9/11 then?

or did they?

>better living standards than your east-slav shithole
>lmao but population is dwindling because of low birth rates
Are you okay, retard?

there is no government in communism, please read a book

Already did it, few years ago, Marx, Lenin, Trotskyi, Stalin, Chrushev, Mao, Brezhnev,Gorbachev

You're either being dense or just trolling at this point.

>USA HAS TOTAL INFORMATION AWARENESS

*teleports behind you*
*shapes US policy for years by being the chief advisor to dozens of Senators and Congressmen*

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unironically learn to code

If we talk about other Soviet republics then maybe because the other countries like Russia and Ukraine were always wild countries so we can't judge them by the same standards. There was a rapid political change and it turned out they have long tradition of corruption and oligrachy regardless of the system this is not a proof of superiority of anything.
As for other eastern block countries of course after Soviet invaders fucked off everything went better, they're doing ok and spit on the graves of the Red Army.

independent.co.uk/news/uk/arrests-for-offensive-facebook-and-twitter-posts-soar-in-london-a7064246.html
theverge.com/2016/3/24/11297128/matthew-doyle-arrest-muslim-tweet-brussels
theguardian.com/technology/2019/may/05/facebook-admits-huge-scale-of-fake-news-and-election-interference
nytimes.com/2017/06/20/world/europe/germany-36-accused-of-hateful-postings-over-social-media.html

And so on.
Now naturally you being the conditioned little retard like you are you'll try to dismiss this under some stupid pretense or claim this isnt enough.
I think i've made my arguments pretty clear and there's no point in arguing anymore with someone who believes Rusia pays people to post on Yea Forums lol.

By definition it's a way for everyone to decide what prices are best for themselves based on their lives, experiences, and perspectives - instead of the government making decisions for millions of people which results in inefficiency

Economic migrants. Baltics are quite nice and improving, but the pay in the west is way better. The soviets are to be blamed for that shit.

Soviet union made emigration illegal for a reason - communists produce shitholes, so people want to leave.
Berlin wall was built to keep people in.

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Chinese government controlling the exchange rate of their currency and wages therefore controlling all product prices. Most successful country in recent times, doing the opposite of everything of your Heritage trickle down garbage ideology.

I've never heard of someone getting arrested for making political arguments in my country. Lawsuits have been done, sure, but again the state decides that.

Whereas in Russia the "state" is what your leaders decide it is. It's corrupt throughout.

China literally outranks America on the Economic Freedom Index

JET FUEL CANT MELT STEEL BEAMS!

THE ASSBLASTED TOWELHEADS ARE ALWAYS PLANNING THIS TYPE OF SHIT, WTC WAS ALREADY TARGETED IN THE 90S WITH NO CONSPIRACY THEORIES SURROUNDING THAT ATTACK

JUST IGNORING SOME INTEL OR NOT GETTING IT TO THE RIGHT PEOPLE IS ENOUGH FOR THINGS TO HAPPEN, IT WAS KNOWN BUT NOT ACTED ON PROPERLY
DHS WAS CREATED TO UNIFY OPERATIONS AFTERWARDS

yes your gracious masters have given you permission to blow hot air, how nice of them

Then it should be ok to increase minimum wages by 20% a year and completely end market based exchange rates.

As opposed to you bending over and taking whatever they're stuffing up your stupid ass?

or perhaps 'someone' made sure the intel wasn't given to the right people...

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Increasing minimum wage results results in unemployment and disaffects those who need jobs the most.

nber.org/papers/w12663

Serious question: why do the DEA have such a shit logo?
>also wtf if is USMC logo doing not next to USN

That's why China is so successful with it.

Have sex

good boy. remember to thank your masters for all the 'rights' they've given you

You argued for artificially increasing wages. That article proves that is wrong. Price control is not more efficient because imposing price controls reduces the incentive for firms to supply more of any good or service. Therefore, it can actually make the situation worse in the long term because if lower prices discourage investment, the fall in supply will raise future prices. It would be better to allow market forces to raise prices and increase supply.

What I admire in americans is their will to fight against strict government control.

And then we have cucks like you who are willing to take any shit just because they don't believe they have the possibility to fight against the government. But that's the Russian mentality. The most cucked people in the world next to China.

do you really believe this? would you rather live in a country with rights or without them?

>i'm a sheltered conformists who's never gotten into trouble therefore nobody can get into trouble

yikes.

Personal experiences? I'd like to hear them.

Despite what your media told you people in Russia just about as much (or as little) rights as you have.

Shocking i know.

>the church owns a property in my city.
>some gypsies illegally squat in there
>the church lets them stay for a few years but then it's got otheer uses for the building
>Gypsies are warned several times in advance about the incoming eviction
.they stay
>get evicted
>liberal press makes a bait article about how the church evicted some poor people without warning from their home
>point out the blatant lies in a comment
>the moderation team refuses to post my comment until the next day when the article is already burried

b-but muh free press
here's some more:

>europhile npc uses some anti-ukip mock campaign posters in an article
>describes them as being literal official UKIP posters
>point the obvious lie in a comment
>moderation team refuses to post my comment

that's silly. free speech is not protected in russia

Yeah, because there is an inflation target. If you don't control wages you will not reach it.

>guys communism is good because we won't have currency
>wtf guys during communism we made more money than through capitalism communism is so much better

HOW, DID THEY ASSASSINATE SOMEONE

A GOOD Yea Forums TREATMENT OF WHAT HAPPENED IS THIS HULU SHOW, HULU IS SHIT BUT THIS WAS BRETTY GOOD

SIMILAR TO HBO CHERNOBYL, BASED ON A VERY WELL RESEARCHED BOOK

BUT NO HAMFSITED MARYSUE INSERTED FOR THE TV ADAPTATION
>WE MUST WIN OUR SJW GOODBOY POINTS! UMM HELLO ITS THE CURRENT YEAR #YASSS
HBO LOSING TO F*CKING HULU LMAO WHAT A WORLD

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Cheers from Hungary, comrade! foreignpolicyblogs.com/2009/11/03/better-red-than-unfed-a-survey-of-post-communism/

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It theoretically is. And so it's supposed to be in europe. Except people on both sides get arrested for certain remarks because *exceptions :^)
Stop getting your info from BBC and CNN

I have bad experiences of gypsies, but your story seems very onesided.

Besides, never use gypsies as your argument since they only care about them and their family. They're nomads by culture and act like it.

doesn't this book pretty much besmirch michael scheuer and paint him as a nut or something? i heard wright has beef with him or something

>foreignpolicyblogs.com

Is there a poll done by the actual Hungary news network?

people in the u.s. don't get arrested for saying unflattering things about muslims. and shitting on trump won't get you in trouble like shitting on putin will in russia

NO NO DELET THIS!
CAPITALISM IS GOOD

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Cheers. I hope we eventually join the EU and reform it into something that is actually left-leaning and not totally controlled by the 1% before they develop AI and enslave us once and for all

The poll is done by pew research though

dumb old people are nostalgic for the past and only remember the good things and not the bad
such insight. wow.

>I see graph
>It must be true

Anyone wonder why propagandists target this site?

>haha it's just nostalgia lmao

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yeah good for them i guess. they still get their opinions removed from private media platforms

shitting on putin wont get you in any trouble in russia. people do it all the time over there.
they only get in trouble for inciting to unrest (something you can get in trouble in europe too btw), the russians are very afraid of colored revolutions.
you can also get in legal trouble for posting "extremist content"(just like in europe) and for inciting to separatism.

OH NO NO NO NO NO

pewglobal.org/2009/11/02/end-of-communism-cheered-but-now-with-more-reservations/communism220px/

Source?

>join the EU and reform it into something that is actually left-leaning
i think you're a bit late on that one dude

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I'M GONNA SAY THE G WORD

russia is a shithole what do you expect?

Killing former KGB agents who switch sides is in our culture, you bigot.

bernie 2020

GRAPHITE

This. U.S.S.R. tried communism immediately after the Bolshevik revolution. It was absolute shit, and they immediately went to state capitalism, albeit with heavy state control.

>communism was good because my family was part of the 1% then
lmao eat shit

>yeah good for them i guess
it is since they don't have to worry about police knocking on their door or being sent to court if they call someone a faggot
>they still get their opinions removed from private media platforms
which there is currently a debate around

Goyim?

dyatlov more like blyatlov

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immigration vs no immigration

id still rather have no 3rd world immigration

Women are strong, you fucking scum.

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so uh
why do communist americans stay in america? why don’t they teach english in china or move to venezuela?

slav = hitler was right

Yeah call me when that debate reaches a tangible result, or gains any traction outside internet forums for that matter.

Also notice how this discussion included europe but for some reason you decided to cling to the only place where the police doesnt arrest you for wrong-think (yet)

>at least they werent racist, thats the worst thing imaginable

>socialism is the future you capitalist fags!
>wtf my system failed again?
>guess I will call it state capitalism so i don't have to take any responsibility
>time to try again!

the absolute state of delusional commiecucks

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Tankies are the most repulsive, pitful and imbecillic group of "people" (and thats being generous by stretching the definitiom of human as much as possible). Tankies are below incels, below roasties, below nazis and antifas, below retards and mongoloids, below drug additcted junkie degenerates and STD ridden whores.

Tankies are the literal dregs of humanity and literally every single one of them deserves to be tossed into an exposed reactor core head first.

>if you dont like capitalism you must be le tankie boogeyman

Yikes.

>blyatlov
LMAOD 2BH

CYKA BLYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD

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based and cringe

Capitalism is good

>feels called out by anti-tankie post
kys stalinist brainlet

Good luck when you have more old than working people like in south Korea then. Enjoy your 18 hour unpaid work days.

WELL... THIS THREAD ESCALATED QUICKLY

Inflation depends on unit labor costs. That's also the reason your neoclassical labor market supply demand economics are bullshit.

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>Economic collapse that lead to the revolutions of 89 was caused by communism
>Tankies always ignore this and just post this brainlet graph that just shows how bad that collapse was just because
You were literally propped up by an authoritarian empire who had such a mismanaged centralized economy that the black market took over your country.

Fucks sake man

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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO STOP CRITICIZING CAPITALISM!!!!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Based.

DONT KILL THE MESSENGER

HE CAN BE A FUCKING FAGGOT ALL YOU WANT

BUT THE WOMEN STRONG SHIT FORCED UPON THIS SHOW IS A PLAINLY SIMPLE FACT
AND ITS EYEROLL INDUCING CONTRIVED GARBAGE WHICH DEVALUES THE PRODUCT, AS USUAL
OKAY SWEETY? :^)

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>capitalism has problems so we should change to a system that has even more and has historically failed every time

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Capitalism is shit.
But compared to the hellish evil and stupidity of communism, its far FAR superior.

>Inflation depends on unit labor costs.
Do I really need to tell you that correlation doesn't equal causation? Do you really think causes for inflation can be boiled down to a single variable?

this trip is an American

This scientist woman knows too much from literally zero evidence. It's obvious she's made up.

you know chernobyl was managed by the soviet union, right user?

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>the virgin swirly boy

>if you'd like to discuss the merits of state capitalism, state capitalism brought a largely agrarian society at the end of world war 2 into a superpower on par with the power of the united states who had begun industrializing some 40 years before
True, but the costs were extremely high. Millions starved and the workers worked 18 hour shifts in grueling conditions like virtual slaves.

Fag.

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As the graph shows it obviously can.

It's a mixed bag at best, which means there's other factors at play.

bls.gov/opub/mlr/cwc/the-relationship-between-labor-costs-and-inflation-a-cyclical-viewpoint.pdf

bls.gov/opub/mlr/cwc/the-relationship-between-labor-costs-and-inflation-a-cyclical-viewpoint.pdf

No, it's not a mixed bag. My graph uses GDP deflator, not CPI. And the determination applies mid-term, not short term.
All you need to do is look at the graph. There can be no argument here.

Soon, elvtárs!

Your graph also only shows one variable.

Yeah, 3.5 rise in ULC, 3.5 rise in inflation. Even a brainlet should understand this.

>using a literal gay lover's pagan symbol as your natsoc symbol

kek

I'd concede to apparent correlation. However, china still has high levels of economic freedom - pointing toward it not being a communist market. And the idea of a government price controlling all goods and services (like in communism) is not a efficient as a free market would be.

You are reversing cause and effect.
pdfs.semanticscholar.org/8bf9/c07e90f3d58796b9b725ff021b27595b219d.pdf

>excuse me sir but there's been an accident at the chernobyl power plant
>USSR: no there hasn't shut up lalalalalala cant hear you

yeah no shit the country made more money when there's no standard of living or quality of life and half the people are working in gulags

why is the CIA and the Marine Corps the only ones who can come up with a 10/10 logo?

>when he is first introduced as being an asshole who won't listen to reason but then grows on you with his direct attitude

have sex

>promising population that after 15 years they will live like Finland
It'll be exactly like Finland because the whole upper middle class of Finland will move there due to taxation.

>305 posts
>no one actually talking about the show
Never change, Yea Forums.

if you want to talk about chernobyl, go to /RBMK/

this thread is for shitposting only

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>Soviets bad
YEP. Kill yourself shill. Post pics of you killing yourself.

I dont have to watch television to post in here :^)

Where is the new /RBMK/ thread????

>I live in a post-communist european country called Ukraine (you might have heard of it)
You are not even trying, Ivan. Back to Kremlin shitposting school.