>George Martin has said that he decided to kill Robb Stark because he wished to keep the story difficult to predict. >I killed Ned because everybody thinks he’s the hero ... The next predictable thing is to think his eldest son is going to rise up and avenge his father. And everybody is going to expect that. So immediately [killing Robb] became the next thing I had to do.
Reminder that you reap what you sow. Gurm wanted a grimdark edgy story and D&D simply took him up on his offer. "Subverting expectations" is almost word-by-word for what Gurm has done.
This was only because it showed that the world was real and had consequences.
D&D would've built Ned up for 8 seasons, entirely based on his honor than have him go into a whore house and bang out whores.
"He forgot he was honorable"
Brody Campbell
Are you comparing that to Dany? Because every time something bad happened to Dany, she chose the easy way out and used the dragons, or burnt people alive if the dragons we're not available.
>Visersys >The witch >Warlock >Ducksauce (wasn't fire, but still torturous) >Slavemasters of Astapor >Crucified masters of Mereen (also not fire, but the use of crucification for a western audience can't be ignored. It was meant to tell your brain that what she was doing was not okay) >Burned and let dragons eat nobles of Mereen to provoke fear >Fighting pits >All the khals in Vaes Dothrak >The invading ships in Slaver's bay >Lannister/Tarley army and then Tarleys themselves
The last one especially was meant to clue you in. Even Samwell didn't agree with it and he hated his Father more than anyone. Dany has always been an angry, vindictive person.
Samuel Ross
Okay we get it. Dany torches the whole fucking continent and kills Jon Snow too.
Adam Morgan
Everyone but a few literal in intuitive autists realize almost all of those mentioned deserved it. Killing immoral, evil enemies is not foreshadowing her killing innocents.
Connor Brooks
It shows that she can be violent and ruthless in getting what she want. Combine that with her inner circle either dying (Missandei and Jorah) or betraying her (Varys and Tyrion), two of her dragon children dying and, most importantly, learning that Jon has a stronger claim and is more loved than she is and she's been backed into a corner. Her whole rule by fear wasn't a throwaway line. She has to make sure that everyone is so scared of her that they wouldn't dare choose Jon over her. So, yeah, she hasn't killed innocents before. But she has been ruthless in getting what she want and now she's been completely abandoned and betrayed.
Christian Hall
She killed those two Tarly niggers simply because they didn't bend the knee they weren't immoral or evil
Owen Ross
Even if most of them deserved it, she was still torturing them to death and enjoying it. Always with that smug look while listening to their screams. She was unhinged from the beginning
Sebastian Watson
There’s nothing wrong with a subversion of expectations so long as it makes sense within the context of the story. With the exception of having Arya kill the Night King, none of the story beats are necessarily bad, theyre just rushed a poorly executed. If they split this season into two full length seasons, one being the destruction of the White Walkers and the other dealing with what comes next, it would have been acceptable. I also get the impression that Cersei will not be the final boss in the books, and will be replaced by the (presumably) fake Aegon Targaryen that D&D stupidly cut from the show without stopping to consider the repercussions it would have on the final act. Having Daenerys’s claim undermined by a Targaryen will be a much better reason for her to snap than hearing a bunch of bells when she’s already won the fight. Varys was the one who hatched the Aegon plan, so there will be a much better reason for Dany to burn him as well.
James Hall
>Have a show set in a pseudo-medieval time >Expect 21st century morality While it is certainly not the "nice" thing to do, torching an enemy city that did not surrender in time is not completely off the table.
Joseph Bailey
literally one season ago more dnd bullshit
Adrian Bailey
bump
Thomas Nguyen
>immoral, evil enemies (sometimes) >eye-for-an-eye justice makes her better than them GRRM wrote this story to expose the idiocy of moral relativist retards like you, knowing full well half the audience would take the bait
Heres a fucking clue that she was mad >intends to invade westeros >with an army of savages and eunuchs >to slaughter a generation of young westerosi men in the name of a completely illegitimate claim to absolute power >even tho she knows the common folk of westeros dont give a shit about her
if you thought the fucking foreign invader was the hero of the story youre a motherfucking brainlet
indeed. Problem isnt that Dany went mad or people die. The problem is magically self replenishing armies. Teleportation. Bad character dialogue and choices. And mostly ninja girl killing the big bad in one episode.
Sebastian Price
>Killing immoral, evil enemies is not foreshadowing her killing innocents. Not necessarily, but I didn’t really take that as the explicit reason for Tyrion and Varys suddenly becoming suspicious of her, or Varys’s betrayal. What her actions demonstrated was that she was more concerned with winning than she was with the stability of the realm. It’s possible to forgive her for burning the Tarly’s and some of her more brutish actions in Essos, but it’s much harder to justify the fact that she’s still gunning for the throne even though we explicitly know it isn’t hers by rights. Before you could have said the ends justified the means, and liberating Westeros from Cersei was more important than a few minor lords, but now that we know that Jon (a person who she loves and who would be a perfectly just ruler) is Rhaegar’s son, all she’s fighting for is the crown, and she’s willing to kill anyone who challenges her. She can’t say she’s fighting for the people anymore, especially considering that she commanded Jon not to tell anyone about his lineage for fear of them favoring his claim over hers. The only difference between her and Jon is that she wants to be monarch and he doesn’t, and she’s willing to lie, cheat and kill to make it happen. And it was that sort of, “if I can’t have the iron throne, no one can” mentality is what led to the Mad King to try and torch King’s Landing during Robert’s Rebellion.
Nathaniel Brooks
Yea that is why he can't finish the novels he does not know how to write except in the most meme way possible.
Jayden Jackson
subverting expectations can be good, he wanted to do those things but he wrote actions for the characters that led to their demise.
It's when it just comes out of nowhere like a sucker punch
Blake Roberts
It's a small step and knings landing is not that innocent in her mind. When you add the madness of the targaryans to it it makes perfect sense.
Brayden Phillips
also the show fed into the fanbase with its yaass queen slay bs
Dominic White
>lol I subvert u When did this start, when hacks started reading tvtropes and thought 'Oh, I could just do the opposite of this'?
