>Dot the coast line around Dragonstone with scorpions, hidden under cover
>Leave out poisoned livestock for the dragon to eat, or use livestock as bait to assist in lining up scorpion shots
>Plant spies, sabateurs, and assassins in Jon's army, since he seems happy to take anyone without question including Jamie Lannister
Tywin would have won this war easy
Tywin is also very pragmatic. He probably would’ve tried some real politik to avoid full out war and then try to take her out subtly.
Idk. He likely would hav just bent the knee like he did with Robert and maybe try to marry Jamie to Dany.
only good GoT thread I've ever seen
>Hire faceless man to assassinate Dany
>???
>profit
>He likely would hav just bent the knee like he did with Robert
Robert wasn't attacking him, he had no reason nto to bend the knee to robert, in fact he wanted to be on his side.
It's mentioned in the books that the cost of hiring a faceless man to kill Dany almost amounts to something like a 100,000 sellswords.
They probably won't kill her since she furthers the God of Death's agenda as well
If the cost is so high, wasn't arya hired to kill a shitty actress? How did someone want her dead so much?
He wanted to be on his side when he realized the mad king was done for. He was smart enough a man to realize he could not do anything against two huge ass armies and three fucking dragons.
Anyway if you want to fantasize about what he would have done as a militar tactician he would probably not have waited for the enemy to reach the shores of westeros. He may have sent a fleet against them, possibly loaded with wildfire since if I remember correctly he was impressed with tyrion tactics at the battle of blackwaters. It would not have done much against the dragons but it would have likely done some major damage to the armies.
Though he would not have had the iron fleet since euron would not have had any reason to ally with him, and I'm not sure if he would have been so keen to taking qyburn as grand master, so there's that.
I guess the more important the target, the higher the price. Wouldn't that work the same irl?
The price scales with how important a person is.
>he would have won this war easy
If only he had the forethought to not take a shit somewhere where someone could just walk in and nail him to the wall with a crossbow bolt.
If only his room wasn't directly connected to the prison through a secret passage he would have destroyed everyone.
What could have been.
Yeah, that was dumb in the books.
Martin came up with an unstoppable force of magic ninjas, and had to come up with a lousy explanation on how it could not be used to solve 90% of the plot
that wasn't dumb at all, it prevents the Faceless Men from becoming Dr Manhattan tier plot devices.
Also, they don't charge 1 gorillion dollars just because, iirc they charge "something very valuable/dear" to whomever ask for their services. So they might ask, say, an arm from a hobo, a merchant's entire bank account, a woman's only son, to carry an assassination. For someone like Tywin, being so fucking wealthy, the cost of course would be astronomical
Good thread this
The books state directly that they don't kill for money during Arya's training. They have a warped system of morals where they kill bad people for free but make you pay dearly if you want to kill someone of questionable or better morals.
Slavers would put out hits on their rival leaders all the time if you could just pay money get assassination.
Danny would never accept his surender, let alone agree to marry Jaime. Because of Tywin KL fell during Robert's rebellion, and he also had Oberyns sister killed, when she had baby Targs in her belly, and Jaime is the one who killed her father.
not to mention she wanted to "break the wheel", that kinda implies getting rid of most of the old customs no?
If only the door had a lock..
Pullo! Formation!
>hey here's the guy who killed your dad wanna marry him lol
>doesn't bat an eye as her brother gets orrifyingly melted in front of her
>burns alive the fortune teller
>burns alive the one slaver
>buries alive that swood nigga and two servants
>crucifies hundreds of slavers
>gets that one slave executed for killing his master
>feeds her dragons with people she doesn't like
>burns alive the whole khalazar
>burns alive father and son after having them humiliated in front of their defeated soldiers
>goes on to obliterate a city and kill hundreds of thousands of people
Would Dany count as a bad person for their morality system? Definitely a sociopath.
>inb4 they were all bad and deserved it
>cost increases depending on how difficult a job is
How's that a lousy explanation? That's how it always has worked and always will work.
>Dany + Northern armies are up north fighting undead shits
>sit in castle doing nothing but producing scorpions
>could have planted hidden caches of wildfire jars outside the walls to fuck up the enemy come battle
>could have flung them with catapults
>used them on the retards camping outside the walls
I mean a lot of retarded decisions and poor writing
The ONLY reason I was sad about the Red Wedding was because it meant Robb wouldn't attack Casterly Rock. I really wanted to see Casterly Rock
Then season 7 came...
Dany would've killed Tywin on the spot for betraying her father during Robert's Rebellion, so to be fair I'm not sure he specifically would yield positive negotiations from her.
>Tywin gets shot in the chest and dies
>He wakes up, and suddenly realizes he's in the body of Daenerys Targaryen, about to be shipped off to mary Khal Drogo
what happens next?
>doesn't bat an eye as her brother gets orrifyingly melted in front of her
you mean the brother who sold her like cattle, who treated her like shit and who literally got himself killed for being a fucking idiot and tried to go against Karl Drogo?
>>burns alive the fortune teller
you mean the one who killed her husband and unborn child?
>>burns alive the one slaver
oh wow, a former quasi-slave has qualms against slavery, how shocking
>>buries alive that swood nigga and two servants
not sure what you're referring to
>>crucifies hundreds of slavers
who crucified hundreds of children
>>gets that one slave executed for killing his master
after she literally forbade him to do so yet he did it
>feeds her dragons with people she doesn't like
I'll give you that one
>>burns alive the whole khalazar
after they kidnap her
>>burns alive father and son after having them humiliated in front of their defeated soldiers
and refused to bend the knee. what was she supossed to do?
>goes on to obliterate a city and kill hundreds of thousands of people
only one that actually makes sense
fucking brainlet
And most of the old peasantry.
>burns alive father and son after having them humiliated in front of their defeated soldiers
>and refused to bend the knee. what was she supossed to do?
Tyrion pleads with her to just throw Dickon in a dungeon
You know, like the Freys did with Edmure. Dany is less merciful than the Red Wedding guys lmfao
Agreed. Unbeveliably amazing thread.
lives out his repressed sexual fantasy of being a fucksleeve for hung horseniggers
Like she did with Jaime, who actually killed her father?
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>Tyrion pleads with her to just throw Dickon in a dungeon
and she says she didn't go there to put men in chains
they had a choice and they decided to die for it, that shit is on them
nothing of what she did, up to this season, was out of line at all of someone who is conquering a country
The Tarlys bent the knee for Cersei after Cersei literally kill the Tyrells just to steal their monies
>>>buries alive that swood nigga and two servants
now I remember
omg she killed her aide who betrayed her and stole her dragons and the guy who made it happened? whaaaa females r mean whaaaa
I agree. She had no choice but to burn all those civilians in kings landing. The rapes were just to make sure they know not to fight back
Still burning them alive is isis tier level of fucked up.
wow he's seething so hard he didn't even read the whole thing. good going incel, stay seething
how so? they are being obliterated in 0.1 seconds. Dragonfire melts buildings. She isn't setting covering them in gas and setting them on fire while they slowly burn.
Yes, it is shitty for the ones who die in battle, in an excruciating and agonizing death. But war is war. But the ones that are getting executed individually, it is stupid to assume they're dying slowly. Hell, being decapitated still keeps you alive for 20 seconds or so
Too bad he couldn't stop himself from being fucked in the dick by a crossbow bolt.
twf you will never spin like TyWin
>it's ok because it's magic fire lol
>it's fine to inflict unnecessary cruel death on your enemies often times revelin in your cruelty because they deserved it lol
Look, ending slavery is cool, but she's clearly a sadist and a sociopath. That's the kind of thing that gives you nightmare.
>Arya gets offered THREE free faceless man targets
>This faceless guy could kill literally any one in the world, might just take time to move between them, Arya holds the world stage in her hands
>Asks him to kill literal nobodys in Harrenhal instead of Cersei, Joffrey, etc
>it's ok because it's magic fire lol
no, I am saying that if you weren't so blinded by emotions, you could've noticed Drogon literally turning stone buildings into nothing after literally a 0.2 second pass. Thus, we can deduce that dying from Drogon's fire is probably the quickest death there is. Wanna go through them with me?
>hanging
slowly suffocating if you aren't lucky enough to snap your neck
>beheading
according to accounts, there's still cerebral activity seconds to minutes after, not sure if that counts as alive or "in pain" but w/e
or could you be so kind to point out any other method of death penalty in the GoT that would be quicker and painless that seeing Stone Melting fire coming at you a 0.2 seconds later, you being a pile of ashes?
>Look, ending slavery is cool, but she's clearly a sadist and a sociopath. That's the kind of thing that gives you nightmare.
nobody is arguing that she isn't a psycopath. Thing is, this wasn't the case til this season, and anything she did before that falls completely in line with what anyone conquering a place like that would've done.
Arya was impulsive and barely a kid, this was obvious
She wasted a death on the tickler
she had to ask for a second death because of her impulsivity, she was about to have her cover blown
and she ask to ask for her third death(s) since Tywin suddenly left and she had to escape since she would've died at harrenhal
I would have gone with decapitation, which is also the go-to way of execution of the land you are claiming as your own.
I will add that dany isn't really keen on mercy killing, see the people buried alive and the masters crucified (on that note I'll add that they were not really crucified, but rather nailed to a plank with their head blocked, which means they would not have died by asphixiation or exaustion like victims of crucifixion, but of thirsts).
Twin would have taken Qyburn. But the smart move was to keep Pycelle at that time since Pycelle was still team Joffrey/Cersei
It also makes sense considering the ideology of the Faceless Men. They always charge a dear price, making you question whether or not having that person dead is worth it
>I would have gone with decapitation, which is also the go-to way of execution of the land you are claiming as your own.
I wouldn't. If I own a dragon, I would've used it for that. Might as well keep him trained, and show the people I'm conquering what happens when you cross me. And no, that isn't "cruel" or "unfair", everyone in the GoT did it.
>, see the people buried alive
they betrayed her, call it "unmerciful" but they betrayed her and stole pretty much the only thing that gave her power. this is very different that simply not bending the knee: this was one of her advisors literally stealing everything she had simply because she wanted the BBC. She had every right to do that.
>he masters crucified (on that note I'll add that they were not really crucified, but rather nailed to a plank with their head blocked, which means they would not have died by asphixiation or exaustion like victims of crucifixion, but of thirsts).
did you forget the children who were crucified? what was she supposed to do, send the masters to detention? the only thing I'll give you is that iirc some masters were benevolent, so it isn't clear if she just crucified the masters who crucified kids or did she just nailed them willy nilly. but she didn't crucify all of them, she crucified the exact same amount of masters as there were kids. Again, there is absolutely nothing "barbaric" or ISIS tier about this.
once again, til this last season, she didn't so anything that any just conqueror wouldnt've done.
Well, I guess you are a sociopath as well. Not all that surprising considering I am on this site, but I expected you to be from reddit since you seem very eager to defend Dany.
>just conqueror
my ass
She's not doing anything her ancestor Aegon the Conqueror didn't. He burned thousands....
>Well, I guess you are a sociopath as well
lmao you still can't come up with a single point (again, besides this season) of Dany being a sociopath
>oh noes the conquering woman is being ruthless against those who betray her and doing the "eye for an eye" (which is pretty fucking 'normal' in the GoT world, fuck even Ned Stark does it) whaaa she's so mean
lmfao. no John, YOU are the reddits
I am not defending Daenerys. OFC she is an obvious psychopath, that's is absolutely evident right now. Varys was right, the coin landed on the wrong side
All I am saying is that before this season, Dany's action are completely in line with the actions of a conqueror who is in the process of, you know, CONQUERING. Her brother got killed due to his own stupidity. The people she burnt, they mostly brough it to themselves, and yes, she has a right to demand loyalty/muh bent knee. That's the basis of one of the most basic "laws" in the entire fucking GoT world: RIGHT OF CONQUEST. The problem is the fa/tv/irgins getting their panties in a twist when a "femoid" is the one doing the actions that any man could've done in her place, and they'd be calling him "fair" and a "just" ruler. The Tarlys refused to bend the knee, refused to go to the Wall and refused to recognize her as her Queen. What was she supposed to do? "lol k I guess I'll have to let you go, bye! hope the others are nice enough to be loyal to me tho tee hee". You wouldn't be batting an eye if your incel God Stannis was the one doing all of the above, which in the books iirc is what it is implied, he's an autist "eye for an eye", uncharismatic and "fair" ruler who burned his own daughter and unneccesarrily kills the King Beyond the Wall, literally in the most horrible death imaginable. At least Drogon's fire would turn you into ashes in 0.2 seconds.
Dany did what any other conqueror in the process of conquering would've done. She used force when she had to, she was merciful when she had to, and fucks up one in a while, like they all do.It wasn't til this season that her true colours did come out. but up until then, she literally did absolutely nothing to deserve your incel hate, you're just mad she's the one with the nukes and not Stannis or Tywin. keep spouting "reddit" tho, that sure supports your flimsy argument
>oh noes the woman is acting like a man, how dares she
>He probably would’ve tried some real politik to avoid full out war and then try to take her out subtly.
This is the guy who reacted to capture of his son by pillaging the Riverlands, instead of I don't know sending someone to negotiate a ransom.
The stronger position the lannister forces were in at time of negotiation, the better off Tywin was for negotiating a swap. BRAINLET.
t. Another insane targ obsessed with burning people
cope harder incel Stannisfag
>this season
She's always been going on and on about burning her enemies alive and shit, and her advisors were the only ones who kept her from turning into the mad queen already, they managed to keep her from sperging out until this season but that doesn't mean she wasn't already obviously bonkers
>You have stolen my wallet and hidden it somewhere.
>I will start the negotiations by punching you in the face.
Are you now more compelled to give me my wallet back? Because if I was in your position, I wouldn't. DIPSHIT.
That is in fact how powerful medieval Lords do things. Don't forget Tywin had Sansa/Arya in his family's hands and so was reasonably sure they wouldn't just execute Jaime. Not only was his move calculated to improve his position at the bargaining table, it also gave him cause beli to move on the riverlands pre-emptively. BRAINLET.
4D SUBTERRANEAN JENGA SHOW FUCKING WHEN
...if I took someone's wallet and that guy then punched me in the face before even talking to me, then I'd fucking give back the wallet.
>She's always been going on and on about burning her enemies alive and shit
thanks for missing the entire point of the argument
also. see> her advisors were the only ones who kept her from turning into the mad queen already, they managed to keep her from sperging out until this season but that doesn't mean she wasn't already obviously bonkers
well yes, this is obvious, Tyrion says so multiple times. But that is not my point, My point is for the nth time, absolutely nothing of what she did pre-season 8 falls out of line with the actions of someone conquering a country. Nothing more and nothing less. She wasn't going full KL mode on any of the past cities, the people she executed (OMG SHE BURNT THEM WHAAA) they brought it up to themselves or were the casualties of war, unless you can point out an obvious and constant pattern of justice miscarriage, my point still stands. Or what, do you think Ned and Robert went down to KL and asked nicely for the Iron Throne when they won Robert's Rebellion?
>ITT: A seething dannyfag
t. a seething incel who can't support a single argument with anything but SHE'S A WYMIN WHAAAA SHE WAS BEING MEAN TO THE PEOPLE WHO BETRAYED HER
lmao, you sure a bunch of emotional pre-madonnas for a board who pretends to be soooo logical and like, not driven by emotion
rhaegar was saving all his semen for lyanna to make azor ahai
The difference is that KL will serve as an example for the other cities. If she wins and strikes fear in the other lords, she doesn't have to fight a long drawn out war of conquest.
Think of it like America nuking Japan as their opening move in WW2 rather than the last thing they did after years of warfare already.
>'I am not seething, you are seething'
>*seethes even more*
Outstanding move, user.
Yeah and now she burned a city filled with traitors who didn't recognize her claim to the throne. She does genuinely considers herself to be owed Westeros.
>emotional pre-madonnas
Don't be surprised user they're a diamond dozen
Them being here is a blessing in the skies for the shitposting content
she went overboard and full psycho with the whole "burn the city and the peasants to the ground" tho.
>can't refute his incel "arguments"
>"haha u just mad tho I won!"
the difference between incels and SJWs is that SJWs at least get laid, even with a tranny
I won't defend her actions on this one tho. That's not my argument at all. Just want to make that clear
it's a doggy dog world out there
Not using wildfire in catapults was explained in season 2 you retard
It's nto just a punch it's a show of power, if someone shows you he is stornger than you while asking the wallet back, you might hate him more, but you will fucking give the wallet back.
'Have sex' is not an argument and I am not trying to win anything here.
of course you're not trying to win, you have no argument, just blind emotional hate against roasties
This may come as a surprise to you, but even if you think someone deserves to die, people are still going to think you are a sick fuck for using fire as your preferred method of execution
You are misremembering, Tywin ordered pillaging while Robert was still alive and Ned was his hands, back then Arya and Sansa weren't in Lannister hands.
When did I even mention women or my supposed hatred of them? Must be fun to discuss with imaginary strawmans I suppose.
Fucking betas. Go ahead, punch me twice or trice, but you will not see your wallet anymore.
finally a fucking argument that doesn't hinge on incel emotional fits
Of course people will think that, not to mention the fact that people still remember the Mad King and all. Dany could've worked better on her optics. Which is probably part of why she wasn't loved in Westeros
But to counter that, one could argue that making sure people knew you had 3 fucking dragons and you were ready to use them at any point for executions might have made people tamer and not so eager to rebel against Dany. I know its utilitarian bullshit at the end, and what ifs really, but psychologically, showing the people something so outrageous as death by Dragon fire might have sent a stronger and louder message than the usual executioners methods to whomever might be thinking of rebelling
And I still stand by this yes the optics are lousy, but logically, dying by Dragon fire is probably the quickest and most painless death in Westeros
I'm talking pre season 8 here btw
you sound more hateful
Fucking Based and classic GoT pilled!
Then you get beat up and I take the wallet, this isn't a friendly negotiation, it's a do or die deal.
You can't because as I said in the beginning:
>You have stolen my wallet and HIDDEN IT somewhere.
Ah, but twyin doesn't really care about tyrion he just attacks because he needs to show he cares about the family and if you touch them you either give them back or you die. He says it too.
>hiding stuff like a beta
What are you a squirrel
Chad keeps his shit out in the open
Tyrion’s trial was in the vale. Lysa was originally from the riverlands and is mentally unstable. I’m suppose Tywin would demand recompense from Lysa/Catlyn when he finally submits to Bobby B’s orders if Tyrion was executed even if he’s secretly happy Tyrion’s gone. Or would he try to do a final genocide against the river lands just to make a show of Lannister power?
pleeeeeeeeeeease have sex before you voice your opinion
The I kill a thief and lose a wallet.
UUUUHHHH honey? Perhaps you should have sex yourself
>*virgin noises*
ummmm, can't hear you, sweetie!
Thousands of people who were part of a massive army opposed to his conquest
He stopped as soon as they surrenderd and even made some of the more powerful former kings wardens, leaving them with pretty much the same amount of power and less opposition to worry about
Why didn't they hire one when she was a nobody before marrying Drogo?
It's almost as if you haven't read the books or watched the show. Tywin explains exactly why he sent Gregor Clegane to pillage the Riverlands instead of simply negotiating a ransom.
Nothing she did pre season 8 literally because her advisors were holding her insanity in check 24/7
You don't get a free pass because you have a troup of sane people dedicated to keeping your psychosis from being made manifest, it just means a lot of people are spending a shitload of effort making sure you don't literally burn entire cities to the ground. She's always been a psychopath.
Tywin would've tried to marry off Tommen to Dany
>it’s almost as if someone suggested this exact thing, but was shut down by someone going on about “muh honour”
She was always the heir to the throne user (if you pretend jon doesn't exist)
Tywin exterminated two noble houses because they disrespected his father and refused to repay the money they had been loaned. I can only imagine the sort of hell he'd bring to a house that was party to executing his son. Even if Tywin hated Tyrion, he was still a Lannister.
Actually when robbie changes his mind and listens to Ned, Varys says it's too late, the assassination they tried is that stupid ass wine thing.
Also as another user said itt faceless men ask important things as payment, there was no need to involve them to kill such an easy target.
Tywin is a hell of a lot more cruel, less intelligent and less effective than everyone thinks he is. His legacy started falling to pieces the instant he died. That's what the whole thing with the foul-smelling corpse was about.
>you mean the brother who sold her like cattle, who treated her like shit and who literally got himself killed for being a fucking idiot and tried to go against Karl Drogo?
Does that mean it’s okay to kill him in an excruciating way?
>you mean the one who killed her husband and unborn child?
She didn’t kill her husband and Dany literally unleashed Dothraki on her hometown to wipe out everyone she’s ever known. She was raped three times by the time she was saved. Tell me how one death that Dany accepted as payment for drogo is worse than Dany killing everyone in her village
>oh wow, a former quasi-slave has qualms against slavery, how shocking
Does that mean Lincoln should have burned alive every general and plantation owner in the South?
>who crucified hundreds of children
Not going to debate this one
>after she literally forbade him to do so yet he did it
Do we just kill everyone who commits a crime?
>after they kidnap her
After she broke Dothraki custom and just became a warlord, not fulfilling her duties as khaleesi
>and refused to bend the knee. what was she supossed to do?
Would you burn your kids alive if they told you they didn’t want to eat broccoli? Especially if it meant that you couldn’t have kids ever again?
I don’t agree with OP that this taxing of Kings Landing was in character. It wasn’t. But she has never ever been a good person, she’s an idealist who kills for her ideals. Doing something she doesn’t want gets the death penalty every time. There is a reason even in the books that people don’t like her. She’s a foreign invader with no legitimate claim to Essosi cities that rolls in and starts killing people because they betray a foreign invader
Would Robert let him get away with it to appease him if he lived? Would Ned still want to reveal that Roberts children weren’t his as this could end with tommen and myrcella losing their heads. Would Robert even want this getting out and everyone knowing he’d been cucked again and for so long even?
>poisoned life stock
Im sure the dead rotting corpses of amimals are very appealing totally not a read flag
Drogons probably only a little bit smarter than his namesake
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This is a very weird thread
He'd lose face if he negotiated. He needed a show of force, or people would know you could just mess with the Lannisters and they'd go "h-here gold, pls stop"
because everyone was too stupid to listen to bobby
He was talking about assassins, not Faceless Mes.