NOT BAIT : Jaime Lannister Actor explains that he fought D&D over their choices

I bet Ned, Tywin, and Bobby B are up in heaven just sharing a toast to getting out before it was too late.

>why cant it just stick to convention
>why didnt he complete a hero arc
>why doesnt every character i like have a happy and satisfying conclusion
just go and watch Endgame again you mouth breathing pleb

Their idea of that sort of plotline is Sansa and Dany side-eyeing eachother. No subtlety or subtext.

Design by committee, some marketing schmuck did some research and figured that taking a shit on the series would attract more viewers in the short term because of the outrage. Same thing happens to AAA video games, they are making them bad on purpose

So, according to your logic if a character's story is just actual random choices with no sensible motivation then that makes it better writing because it's less conventional. I'm glad we cleared up the way you think.

Never attribute to malice what could equally be described by carelessness.

Sup Rian.

Are we gonna have our expectations subverted in star wars dabid?

No, it's a legitimate marketing strategy for short term profits, it was even confirmed by some developer. I'll get back to you when I find the exact quote.

How did Dabid start? I always thought Dumb and Dumber was a better insult.

Damn son. Actors usually eat up whatever script is put in front of their noses, not knowing better. You have to fuck up REALLY bad for the actors to give you shit over your writing.

You already got ir in TLJ, you expected a watchable flick and got a flaming piece of shit instead remember

DABID, THE CRAYONS

Hbo doesnt profit directly from per episode viewership, it doesn't help them in any way to purposely make something bad.

>Hey user, should I watch game of thrones
>nah, just read the books because the quality of the show has a major drop in the last few seasons
>oh ok I guess I wont subscribe to hbonow or buy the blu rays.

Sup reddit

He was busy writing a history of the Targaryens nobody asked for

also the show isn't to it's producers what it is to the audience, for them it is basically just an interesting experiment and their livelihood and they obviously aren't going to be attached to characters. Just any idea they have that they like personally will override any sense of character fulfilment or audience appeasement for them.

yeah, GRRM could have just told these fucks how to do each season so it wasn't stupid as fuck and to give us a good show, not let it go down the tubes like it did. Fat fuck

He really tried, bros. It's just not fair.

That's not how normalfags work

But here's the problem, word of mouth doesn't matter anymore when your show is the biggest hit on TV, and marketing doesn't care about quality nor about long term profits because more than 80% of the total revenue of a movie/show/game is made within the very first weeks of its release
Marketing strategy was only to keep the social media hype going and inflate it, and you do it by pandering to the lowest common denominators, even if subverting them was what drew people to watch this in the first place and the normalfags would have kept up regardless
Because marketers are coke addled retards.

the huge ego of this characters is hilarious LMAO

everyone wanted to reach the last episode with a happy ending wtf did they watch the show or what??

They should know, they're jews, they just don't want to give their tricks away.

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you can write jamie returning to cersei, but it has to feel tragic and somewhat inevitable. there needs to be buildup. it was too sudden in the show and it felt hollow.

This. All media you enjoy will betray you. Free yourselves.

You’re a fucking retard. “I broke my oath to the kings guard to save all the millions of kings landings.” “Oh I don’t give a fuck about those millions in kings landing.”
Rly makes me think how great this subversion is

HBO begged D&D not to finish the series in only 13 episodes after season 6. Literally begged. This isn't the fault of some suit looking for money, it's D&D being done with the show and wanting to move on.

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Joke's on you. I've been reading more lately and all old books are all based.

>you can write jamie returning to cersei, but it has to feel tragic and somewhat inevitable.
Without Tommen and Myrcella that's somewhat impossible.

old movies are often based as well tbqh

>grrm when those 2 idiots show up begging for him to save the show

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KEK BASED! haha BASED!

Sometimes I genuinely don't know if kikes are so evil they turn retarded. That kike really thought he could get Murray to be on the movie by threatening him with legal action?

How is it good writing? You didn't explain yourself.

Have show writers EVER majorly changed a characters defining actions based on the actor moaning?

There's like no satisfying conclusions for any character whatsoever in this season.

Good directors do that, yes. You listen to your actor's inputs because if they get into the headspace of a character then they can give you some good inputs as to what the character would be feeling and thinking.

Whoever came up with that was probably an American congressman because pretending to be retarded/powerless when they're actually just immensely corrupt.

Literally who gives a shit, it's not his job to decide, actors are too attached to the characters, of course they want some special ending or some shit

How can they be “done with and want to move on” from the most successful TV show in history? Are they fucking retarded?

Everything that is old is better except women desu

D&D told GRRM to fuck off after season 4 because GRRM was being to meticulous with the storytelling and D&D just wanted to do it their way. If it was up to GRRM we'd have had 10 seasons each with 10+ episodes.

they're bored brainlets with loads of money

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Jaime Lannister deserved a far more painful death.
Fuck that guy.

Why did HBO "uninvite" GRRM instead of firing D&D? Did people working on the show pretend like it was D&D that made the episode so good instead of GRRM? I don't know how they'd do that because the best episodes were done by the fatman

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Danger 5 S1 > GoT S5-8

Actors often get familiar with their character, since they know quite well how they behaved up to that point, and what their motivations are. For the most part, actors don't really have much of an opinion on the scripts their given. If it comes to this point, it's a clear sign that the writers dun goofed big time.

Huh. I actually have some respect for her now.

If they just started doing what dozens of actors wanted that wouldn't be good directing at all, especially when you've been told the ending of the source material you're basing it on.

Danger 5 S1 > 99% of modern television

why are they ashamed of using their family names?

Meh. Not really. She was super happy and excited about it but worried that fans would give her shit over it. Her boyfriend did straight up tell her that it should've been Jon tho.

I think what people are upset about, is that Jaime changed through the series while Cersei stagnated and stayed the same. If not, she got more evil. Jaime grew through his experiences and it's quite obvious he wasn't the total douche nozzle he was in season 1. When he left to fight the dead it showed how Jaime grew and was starting to see Cersei as literally insane.

Then he turns around and runs back? While that's fine the execution was all wrong.

based

game of thrones has had shit writing since season 6 why tf does more people complain now?

DnD owns the rights and are only leasing it to HBO, therefore they cant do shit.

well the issue is we genuinely don't know how different this is from the source material. If I had to wager a bet I'd say that Jaime died from fighting Euron in the books, and just losing like a chump because he's useless without his right hand. The way that Jaime manages to beat Euron is completely uncharacteristic of the character and the books and I straight up refuse to believe that's how the story goes.

>since season 6

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It wasn’t just that they surpassed the books, it’s that they cut out the plotline that serves as the entire basis for his motivation. Absolutely fucking nothing about Varys’s character makes sense without Young Griff. In fact, it looks like pretty much the entire plot of the series post ASOS hinges on his existence.

>fought them every year since season 4

IT HURTS SO FUCKING MUCH

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>viewing everything through the lens of that hack campbell
Fee fi fo fum, I smell the blood of reddit scum

The fact that they just straight up cut Lady Stoneheart, who's probably the single coolest thing related to magic in the series is VERY telling.

That was that fat fuck's plan all along. He stayed close at first to make it decent show, then left them to burn it all to ground to push all brainless viewers to buy his next book.

>tfw jews jewing jews

But they needed Beric to die in a hallway

They listen to an actors idea of how to act a scene but they don't rewrite entire scripts because the actor doesn't like it. The problem is that the actors might say "I think my character should do this next season" but they can't sit down and write all of the scenes for that character. They'd also have to get other actors in to give their ideas as well and by that point you're not writing a script you're just having a role playing session.

That's the last good season, not a coincidence.

They only know to write themselves. Especially David. Who is a dipshit shallow asshole.

People stupidly gave the show more credit than it deserved, thinking it was building up to le epic conclusion.

It's not like there's a fundamental difference between Jaime going to Cersei to give her a hug before they die by brick and Jaime going to Cersei to fucking kill her out of hatred. Also, considering the fact that Danaerys's slide into insanity was more like her slipping off a cliff from sanity to full on insanity in terms of her behavior, I'm inclined to believe that the writers themselves didn't have a fucking clue what they were doing with the characters ahead of time, all the more reason to listen to someone else's input.

Season 5 Bad Pussy pasta, an user greentexted the assumed writing process of D&D.
>don't know what that's all about
>sounds rad as fuck
>write it down also

He showed up for the cameo in Gynobusters, so it must have worked.

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>what was your favourite scene to be apart of?
>my death
kek

>I'd say that Jaime died from fighting Euron in the books
I really doubt that's what the actor wanted anyway

how did cersei set of a wildfire nuke in the middle of city and not burn the entirety of kings landing to the ground i thought wildfire was supposed to burn for an extremely long time and hotter than lava or something

Probably, but my point is that D&D have without a doubt diverged from any plan that GRRM had to begin with, so why not, while you're at it, at least try to make the characters more consistent?
Also from like, season 6 onwards there have been no shock deaths for significant characters ala robert/ned/joffrey. One last shock death would've been fun.

based qt maisie

Hey I'm still waiting on Wines of Westeros and Eateries of Essos. I hear each book is 1000 pages and are definitely coming out before Winds of Winter.

shut up virgin

I miss Ramsey.

They could have done Jaime's redemption arc as a failed redemption a million times better than they did. They could have had a scene where Jaime wakes up next to Brienne and is horrified that he fucked her and she now loves him completely. Have another scene where he overhears some Northern soldiers talking about how they're gonna rape and torture Cersei when they finally get down to King's Landing. Or something. Anything other than "Okay actually I love Cersei again, bye".

GUH

While dictating he be given a chair to sit through his entire performance because he couldn't be arsed to do any more than the minimum requirement.

this guy gets it
it's all about pulling it off. You can fuck with convention all you want as long as you can pull it off credibly. Which Dumb&Dumber obv can't

super excited? Im just reading between the lines, she is technically supposed to and obligated to promote the show, so she'll mix in optimism to cover it up.

Nah cracks showed in 5. Giving Sansa over to Boltons to make her a rape doll/prisoner again showed they didn't have the ability to write a development arc for her.

To this day she hasn't really had development beyond being saved, placed in power due to her name, killing Ramsey (who was already restrained) etc.

Are you complaining about 10 seasons with 10+ episodes each with nothing but scheming and tax policies? That sounds fucking brilliant to be honest family.

This is why the WRITING is bad. Characters almost behave like they're reading from a wikipedia summary of their plotline.
>Jaime has sex with Brienne, but he still loves Cersei so he plans to sneak into the Red Keep to meet her. Along the way he is confronted by Euron, and is mortally wounded but beats him. He later meets up with Cersei and gives her his goodbye before they are both crushed by the rubble of the Red Keep

based

>they don’t know how to write
No further qualification is needed my sweet summer nigger

You think a Congressman came up with Occam's Razor?

savagely accurate

But they're members of the tribe so they've got the job and are raking in the cash

>go to a 5 star restaurant
>violins playing, everyone in 3 piece suits and tuxedos
>sit down, the waiter greets you immediately, offers you a warm towel to wash your hands
>the scent of food is incredible, the atmosphere is unlike anything you've ever experienced
>read over the menu, the waiter goes into great depth explaining everything about each dish and which wine would complement it best
>order your meal and the chef himself comes out to explain the meal
>chef is a fat Italian guy with a curly moustache and a comically large chef's hat
>"OH DATA BE A GREATA DISH! IMMA COOKE ITA UP FORA YOUA!" he says in a thick Italian accent
>some time goes by, you wait patiently though because you'll know it'll be worth it
>finally the chef himself comes out carrying a large silver platter with a silver dome over it
>you cant wait any longer, the anticipation is killing you
>he places it in front of you amd lifts the dome
>a huge cloud of steam blocks the platter, but it soon dissipates
>there's nothing
>"...excuse me, what is this?"
>"OH HO HO MAMA MIA IMMA NOTTA DONE YET"
>the obese chef then hops up on the table and pulls his pants and skidmark stained underwear down
>he hovers his ass over the platter
>"HERE WE GO!"
>*BRRRRRAAAAAAAAAPPPPFFFFBBBGGBRBFBFRRGGFFFFBBBRRRRTTTTTTPPPFFFFTT*
>"NOTA WHAT YOU WERE EXPECTING, HUH?"
And you'd be the faggot who would be happy to eat it.

I even doubt that. There are show plotlines that make no sense considering what we know in the books:
>Sandsnakes wont kill everyone in Dorne because they are in in Doran's plan now
>Tommen will not suicide because he's like fucking 8 years old and Cersei cannot rule if one of her child isn't alive to act as Queen Mother since she's a Lannister
>Cersei won't last that long anyway
>Euron wont be kept around by Cersei like a thriftshop Jack Sparrow
etc

>Tommen will not suicide because he's like fucking 8 years old and Cersei cannot rule if one of her child isn't alive to act as Queen Mother since she's a Lannister
God fucking DAMN I hate how inconsistent the characters are compared to their age. You are so spot on with this. Myrcella is like, 10, looks 16 in the show. Tommen is 8, looks like he's 15.

>poo analogy

This was actually the one non retarded change they made. Lady zombie mom was not a good choice by grrm, it's just another arc he's struggling to tie together.

The writers of my name is earl did it a lot, if I remember right.

absolutely high quality post
this guy puts effort into it, you could all learn from him

Wait. The writers are Jewish?

Who cares? He still took the paycheck

GoTards just wasted 8 years of their lives

based

He’s busy.

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>"Fank few. If-"
>*gulp*
>"Execuse me. Thank you. It really subverted my expectations."

10/10 post

>the fact that Danaerys's slide into insanity was more like her slipping off a cliff from sanity to full on insanity in terms of her behavior,

I'll give you that jamie could just as easily have killed his sister but Dany has always been shown to first of all not understanding how people will react to her choices and often picks unspeakable cruelty before mercy. I mean shit she burned Yunkai, crucified the master of Meereen, executes war prisoners, had her husbands men pour molten gold over her brother and basically relished in the de facto kinslaying. Basically she's been constantly switching innocent girl to revenge driven mad queen with a massive entitlement complex since day 1. Only thing holding her back have been trusted advisors. Well now her knight is dead, her plotter was revealed to be a traitor and her best friend was killed in front of her and two of her "children" are dead and she's literally one move away from taking the throne that is held by someone basically everyone around her considers to be pure evil. I wouldn't really blame anyone for turning becoming filled with rage fueled by entitlement, revenge and percieved righteousness.

Could it have been executed better, sure. But it isn't like this is coming out of the blue. Most of the season is garbage but her arc is just fine if you ask me.

Yeah but why'd she have to kill all the women and children too?

>fine

Nah her saying 'let it be fear' then 30 minutes later killing people pointlessly is clearly not good enough.

All the young characters were aged up because they casted actors way older than the canon ages, also so Arya can have le epic secks

Her just straight up massacring innocent people who just surrendered is out of the blue. It accomplishes nothing for her at all. If the city was continued to put up a fight and she bombed the shit out of it with no regard for the people living there, sure, that seems like something she's capable of. Destroying the red keep and killing Cersei along with thousands of civilians as collateral also would be believable. But not the cartoonishly evil act she pulled in this episode, it's a bit too far to accept

Stupid fucking saying, 50% of the time wrong. People are "careless" and "make mistakes" on purpose all the time. Even little children will fuck with you and say "sorry my mistake" while laughing. It's basic shit.

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>Okay actually I love Cersei again, bye
imagine being too dumb to understand game of thrones

Look, I get it, and I agree to an extent. Dany was never the virtuous character that her stupid fans were propping her up as. She has a vicious violent streak as well as a frankly absurd sense of entitlement. She was destined to be a mad queen, and that's fine. The problem is that people don't just flip on a switch and turn into a fucking genocidal psychopaths who actively murder innocent civilians. It just doesn't happen. If you want to argue that she did this as a result of her becoming the mad queen, you need to put in some effort to show that she's become insane to the point of doing this shit. Her paranoia is brief and seems to have little bearing on her character until she just chimps out.

What a shipwreck.

Because she thinks that it'll make people fear her and that this fear will result in obedience rather than cause people to plot against her as soon as possible. She probably also see the people of the city as being traitors.

Again, this isn't supposed to be a good decision. You're absolutely 100% supposed to think that Dany is a terrible person for a variety of reasons and its been true for a long time. She's ignorant, entitled, short tempered, cruel, the whole lot. She isn't like Ramsey who was a pure sadist who liked hurting other people, but she's probably just as bad because she does actually see the pain she causes as being justified simply because she has the right as the rightful claimant of the throne and because she sees herself as a morally good leader.

Loads of other characters got terrible endings this seasons and others but this one actually makes perfect sense. Maybe a few scenes could have been written better but the logic of the character hasn't been flipped on its head, its just been cranked up.

RESPECT THE FUCKING AUTHOR'S CREATIVITY
HOW DARE THE ACTOR INSULT THE HARD WORK THAT WENT INTO THIS CAPTIVATING STORYTELLING
WE'RE JUST ALONG FOR THE RIDE
ENJOY IT AND BUY THE MERCH

>And then she sees the Red Keep, which is, to her, the home that her family built when they first came over to this country 300 years ago,” D.B. Weiss says. “It’s in that moment, on the walls of King’s Landing, where she’s looking at that symbol of everything that was taken from her, when she makes the decision to make it personal

Look, you're wrong. All those "laid out" hints of cruelty are artefacts of GRRM books that were transposed as "oh so badass" moments by D&D. You misinterpreted them because you either read the book or disliked her character, but it wasn't planned as you think it was in the show.

In the stomach-stabbing-sewer-swimming scene, Arya was originally supposed to get in a fight and do some acrobatics, but Maisie outright refused to play the scene this way.

Bullshit.

D&D made the worst possible story choices. It's stunning.

Can't wait for Episode 6 where Hodor and Ygritte reappear because they forgot they died.

The point isn't whether or not it's a sound decision, the point is that we had never seen Dany behave like this. The Tarley deaths are uncalled for but they at least were insolent and showed no desire to bow down to her. She didn't even give the people of King's Landing a CHANCE to be obedient.

Interesting theory:

youtube.com/watch?v=pg0JPtEyRF8

Being jews you would think they know but it seems they didnt

>The problem is that people don't just flip on a switch and turn into a fucking genocidal psychopaths who actively murder innocent civilians. It just doesn't happen

Except it wasn't a sudden turn. She been planning to burn the city for a long time now and has only been stopped by either more pressing matters such as the NK or because an advisor came up with some plan she reluctantly agreed to but when she was finally in a situation where it was her decision, she just went with what she always wanted to do. She's always been that person.

Might as well have

it was really good though

>How can they be “done with and want to move on” from the most successful TV show in history? Are they fucking retarded?
Disney has unloaded a dump truck of money onto their door stop to make a new Star Wars trilogy.
Plus they never had any interest in doing the show beyond the Red Wedding in the first place.

David Lynch changed parts of Twin peaks because of some goofy actress hoe.

>She been planning to burn the city for a long time now
See

>According to the writers, it was possible for things to turn out a different way, had Cersei not killed Missandei, or had Jon not told her the truth. Instead, Daenerys’ losses got the best of her, despite her overall victory.

>womanlets are based
Why can't manlets be this based?

well ok god-emperor leto if *you* say so

i'm going to steal this for Yea Forums

>Le wrong generation xD
Ask me how I know you're below 18

The thing is, even if she was so fucking angry at the Red Keep, why not just destroy the Red Keep and that alone? Like, isn't that enough? What the fuck does the city of King's Landing have to do with it?

Watched those videos with interest. I don't honestly expect a flood of backbiting against [those useless twats] from past and present cast members but I'd be fucking delighted if one was forthcoming.

because they never learn

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>doesn't appreciate classics
kys pleb

based and redpilled, Yea Forums is full of reddit fags

fucking keep mogging keepishly

why didn't they simply changed the showrunners?

Why are you asking me and not D&D. You're the one arguing that they've been playing the long con and been very smart. They're telling you they didn't

I'm not asking you, I'm just frustrated.

>She didn't even give the people of King's Landing a CHANCE to be obedient.
Sure she did. In her mind the people should have ran out of the city and welcomed the rightful queen of Westeros with open arms.

>All those "laid out" hints of cruelty are artefacts of GRRM books that were transposed as "oh so badass" moments by D&D.
They appear badass because they kind of are, from Dany's point of view. But any person with half a brain would see everything she does in the show as horrible deeds.

>it wasn't planned as you think it was in the show.
Okay...so why does the final season follow this trajectory then? If they didn't plan on turning her 100% mad in the final season then why do it? They could have done tons of different things and had free reign to do so.

unequivocally based. grrm and george lucas sabotaging their own franchises is the greatest thing to happen in 2nd millenium Yea Forums

DABID. BAD PUSSY DABID.

Every semi popular franchise is being bought up by corporations that inevitably choose to cast hideous minorities in white roles, stronk, capable women who always have some bitchy quip for every single interaction with the evil white male who often goes out of his way to hunt the character down to say something quite normal or do something polite if not for the always awkward way it's shoehorned in just so the stronk woman can educate the oppressive male of the wrong color.
If they can't recast a popular white male character with an alarmingly gorilla like visage then he'll be rewritten as a weak, idiotic monster by people who openly detest the source material yet insist that only their (insert progressive stack definition of societal victimization here) perspective could possibly be valid ENTIRELY because of their gender/race/sexual preference.
And there are people out there who would have you believe that it's simply an accident that all media follows this pattern. Even in the face of inescapably terrible sales and actual loses they just keep doing it but it's totally just a coincidence that they all suck in exactly the same way.
And it's not just well established media anymore, the instant a show has a well received first season it is made into a minority/feminist/evil white male vehicle until people's love for the first season wears out and the show bleeds viewers.
It's true of every new or reintroduced media people took an interest in. The amount of money shows like Westworld, Stranger Things, True Detective could have made if they had managed more than one successful season is enormous. But it must be a misjudgment, a very costly one, that no one seems to be able to just not make.
It's so blatant and pervasive that I no longer believe anyone could possibly find it merely carbon copy incompetence or coincidence.

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Yeah the welcoming arms of a horde of barbarian rapists.

>tfw reddit is more reasonable than Yea Forums

uhhhh FUCK THE PEOPLE OF KINGS LANDING LOL

>actually I love Cersei again
At what point did he not love Cersei? Get out of your head cannon

Well the killing Ramsey ushers in her new uncompromising status. She refuses to bend the knee to danerys because she won't be a puppet again

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I mean it's either age them up or show child porn. Isn't Danny like 13 when drogo breaks her in?

I'm on season 3 right now. When should I stop watching?

>They appear badass because they kind of are, from Dany's point of view.
From the showrunners/writer point of view. They did nothing to show what was lost in her interior monologues which are the most important aspect of her lunacy. They even sidetracked the plotline of the son of the dead slavery reformer coming to her because she killed her dad and solving it in a matter of seconds, all to downplay it.

>But any person with half a brain would see everything she does in the show as horrible deeds.
That's not the point. Every character in the show has done things that could be hints of turning heel: Jon, Arya, Bran, Sansa, Tyrion... Hell most "badass" character in fiction has done some terrible things if you look at it the "right" way: killing people, cruelty, disregard for safety of bystanders...

>Okay...so why does the final season follow this trajectory then?
Because they're fucking dumb. They had lots of time to set it up properly and they didn't, much like they didn't set up the Stannis characterisation downfall and had to wrap it up in a few episodes to the point it fell like a dark comedy.

Or plan C) you show it in such a way that it's not explicitly pornographic, while also displaying the horrific nature of the world of GoT, where children are frequently married young, or worse, turned into sex slaves. You know, what the world is actually about?

Well said.

Watch up to episode 3 of season 5, then watch episode 8 of season 5 and episode 10 of season 6. Then drop it for good or watch season 8 for the memes.

Kek she doesn't give a fuck what you think.

Imo the show stops being good after 4. That's when dabid went largely off script, and the show becomes shit with a few good sprinkled moments.

don't bother, they're retarded
suddenly, everyone is talking about "arcs", "good writing", "character development" when they don't even know what those things mean
not defending d&d for clearly providing us with a very flawed product, but people are just spewing out buzzwords
not worth arguing with retards

Obviously this is the reason they didn't but the point is that Dany doesn't give a shit because. She sees herself as the rightful queen and considers anyone who doesn't as well to be a traitor. Its never been hidden or subtle at any point in the story.

Lannisters soldiers raped and pillage KL when they took the city in the rebellion. Stark soldiers are shown doing the same in this episode. Dothrakis are inconsequential

>Literally you

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Season 4. Season 5 is the one where you can observe no longer dismissable drop in quality.
It is coincidentally the season where producers caved for the first time to screeching Twitter babies.

All of you in here defending this trainwreck should be ashamed of yourselves.

What grinds my junk is that even after season 4 they still had good material to continue the story but then they had to go
>20GOODMEN
>SHOW DORNE
>downgrading the brotherhood without banners
>Saturday Morning Cartoon Euron
>everything about Stannis attitude in the battle of ice
It's just frustrating

>a character

more like a dozen

>George, please, for fuck's sake finish the books

But aren't they doing the right ("effective") thing, according to your explanation? If they only care about controversy to squeeze out what they can while they still can, then it seems they're doing great.

Based and D&D-pilled

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they're moving on the the most successful movie franchise in history

keep using big words
you'll forget about this show eventually, but you'll be retarded forever

>the voice

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Kek

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Ah, French Cuisine

>Big words
>Arc
>Storytelling
>Character development
Yep, big words. Bravo dabid you utter dumb fuck bravo.

>Euron wont be kept around by Cersei like a thriftshop Jack Sparrow
Euron might turn into Cthulhu and kill everybody

das rite, good writing is for 8th graders

To be fair, those characters still fuck in the story, so you’re going to have to age them all up

Fans of Battlestar Galactica used to say "We got everything we always wanted, in the worst way possible." when talking about the last season.
GoT fans are now living this.

nah it's that he evolved into a better version of himself and broke away from cersei but then in one scene decided he'd return to her with the only explanation being "i'm hateful too"

>If it's cliche it's bad

Fucking hate MCU watching zoomers that think honest storytelling is bad

blown the fuck out

user, you deserve every single harvested (You) from these posts.
Never ever has there been a more BASED and REDPILLED statement in the history of 4channel. And herojourneyplebs can only seethe at your truthful words.

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user, it was already foreshadowed. It wouldn’t be a twist if it was any more obvious.

maybe its time to go back, faggot

my point stands
most of you are too fucking retarded to understand what those things even mean, how they should be used in any form of writing, and to what effect
stick to jeremy jahms and angryjoe, they'll tell you what to say next, you absolutely braindead nigger piece of shit

based

this is as sad as danyfags crying about her going mad

I still dont get get the big upset Jaime always loved Cersai in the show him going back to her is fine, him saying he doesn't care about the people of Kingslanding is different because we had that scene in the bath tub.

But the reason the MCU is so succesful and critically acclaimed compared to the new Star Wars is exactly because they kept a simple storytelling that gives tons of payoff to characters people like

Sup Dabid.

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Explain Jaimies character arc in the show.

brienne and jamie were already pure fanservice, I can understand if he did it while he was drunk and lonely

and fuck brainlets who think jaime's arc was in the garbage cause he went back for cersei, you can not be a good person without love and he still was a good person and loved his sister

contrarian poster BTFO

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It must be so validating for them to see this backlash. Wasn't it all shot over a year ago? They've been holding this frustration in all this time, and now they can see that everyone agrees with them.

>still a better story than GOT season 8.

Not him but we need a collection of all the actors that were pissed and/fought/or refused to do something a certain way
>Jaime fighting every decisions since George left
>Maise allegedly being a voice of reason as they wanted her to be even more ridiculous
>Selmy wanted his book role where he was more involved before he likely dies a bit more gloriously. At least have him actually walk around in his armor as the chapters specifically mention he is always wearing in Mereen
>Pilou Asbaek refusing to close his eyes as Euron dies, saying he is going to look up at the sky with a smile on his face and they need to cut away

How do I get a musclegirl gf?

People agreeing with you is supposed to feel good?

he has two hands I though the only had one hand

>manlets can't be based

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>replying to yourself
embarrassing

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Oh I see. You're a moron user, you're astonishingly retarded for that bafflingly wrong opinion of yours.

Since you come from a backwards reality I hope I've helped you feel validated.

>muh Jaime was on an ARC
Literally and I mean LITERALLY when did Jaime ever suggest he wasn't in love with his sister or was falling out of love with her? Ignore the banging of the orc, that was a mistake by DnD, I agree with that. But I bet they needed it to pop out a son for the sequel

4-channel mad because Jaime succumbed to the bad pussy. Sad!

I don't agree with you but
BASED

He should've been the one to kill her, like George shooting Lenny in the back of the head.

How does TD fall into that, though?
Second season was gonna be about some real life occult shit and got shut down

I was honestly asking but okay.

this much effort put into an amusing post which is still wrong

What's up with Yids and subverting expectations?

It would be kind of difficult both to film and public reaction in telling the story where a 13 year old girl seduces a giant warlord

>stronk, capable women who always have some bitchy quip for every single interaction with the evil white male who often goes out of his way to hunt the character down to say something quite normal or do something polite if not for the always awkward way it's shoehorned in just so the stronk woman can educate the oppressive male of the wrong color.
The most egregious example I have ever seen was in the otherwise solid show Black Sails. Even though here was a white character who had specifically an arc dealing with him spending life in slavery and freeing himself, in the third season they introduced a horde of black slaves that the main characters set free, and every single time their leader or them was interacting with them, the main characters, ruthless pirates and killers, shut their mouths and stared at their own boots, not a single word out of their mouths in regards to the lecture they were being given. After fourth episode of this I spent the remaining two seasons fast forwarding any scene with black slaves. I haven't done this with any other media, no matter how bad they were.

But then he should've also killed self. And the way it played out wasn't really that different to be honest. He didn't even attempt to get her out of the city

Maisie also thinks Arya's development was building up to her killing the Night King. She was worried that the fans wouldn't be happy with her being the one who got the kill, she wasn't saying that Arya shouldn't be the one to do it.

Why did people expect Jamie to betray his sister in the end anyway?
Is it autism?

>Jaime fighting every decisions since George left
>Pilou Asbaek refusing to close his eyes as Euron dies, saying he is going to look up at the sky with a smile on his face and they need to cut away

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I think Littlefinger might be the most poorly adapted character with Euron as runner-up. In the books no suspects him as being a schemer because he comes off as such a nice guy always out to help.

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The last few seasons have been a train wreck but people are just now realizing there was a crash.

Well you were honestly asking about something that is frankly already intuitive. Yes people agreeing with you is supposed to feel good. And people disagreeing with you feels bad. This is how 99% of humanity evaluates the opinions of others.

Hahahahaha yes, this is excellent.

It wasn't a Hero's Journey at all, cringelord. Jaime's story was a High Tragedy that lacked any sort of cathartic ending, and indeed lacked any real "tragedy."

Here is how a tragedy works, and stop me if you need me to explain anything in detail.

1: You have a flawed character, noble by nature but with one, glaring weakness of character.
2: The character attempts to do good, but his character flaw ultimately destroys him, or his efforts, or the things that he loves.
3: There is a moment of catharsis, which underlines the point, and points to the good, true, and beautiful.

1: Jaime Lannister is a heroic knight who saved the lives of hundreds of thousands of people by killing the pyromancers and the Mad King, BUUUUUT he's in love with his sister and is obsessed with her to the point of killing children to protect their secret.

---This is the moment where it stops being a High Tragedy and starts being a Tale of Redemption---

2: Jaime gradually realizes that his sister is a psychopath and opposes her, finding love in Brienne of Tarth, a woman as noble as he is, moreso even, and fights against the oncoming darkness selflessly, leaving his sinful ways behind.

---This is the moment where it stops being a Tale of Redemption and decides be a High Tragedy again---

3: Jaime decides that actually no, he really does love his sister lol and leaves behind a woman who actually loves him, and go try to save his psychotic sister. He is stabbed by a pirate, staggers into his sister's map room, and is crushed by rocks.

4: There is no Catharsis.

TL;DR, you are a brainlet. The adults in the room are discussing literary theory. You posted el extinguidor del luz.

>with no sensible motivation
he is in love with Cersei. she's the love of his life that's his motivation retard

>I think Littlefinger might be the most poorly adapted character
Petyr was always gonna get fucked over by magic(and maybe Sansa) only because he was invicible to humans threats.
He was fine until season 7, where his stay in Winterfell wasn't reasonable

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He’s definitely not going to help Cersei. It’s like he’s just Aurane Waters if he didn’t immediately betray the retard that is Cersei

>It's not like there's a fundamental difference between Jaime going to Cersei to give her a hug before they die by brick and Jaime going to Cersei to fucking kill her out of hatred.
I honestly thought that's what he was going to do once they got under the keep. It would have been the perfect ending for his character. Kill her, building collapses, the end.

If GRRM could help them write the ending of the show, he would have finished the books by now. The whole point is he knows how he wants to end it but can't fill in the blanks (due to lack of effort).

>1: You have a flawed character, noble by nature but with one, glaring weakness of character.
Jaime Lannister is a heroic knight who saved the lives of hundreds of thousands of people by killing the pyromancers and the Mad King, BUUUUUT he's in love with his sister and is obsessed with her to the point of killing children to protect their secret.
>2: The character attempts to do good, but his character flaw ultimately destroys him, or his efforts, or the things that he loves.
Myrcella
>3: There is a moment of catharsis, which underlines the point, and points to the good, true, and beautiful.
Brienne

Everything you said is pretty much bullshit.
That's not how tragedy works, not even remotely.

No him saying he doesn't care is him being his old self again, pretending not to care. Jamie always acted like that. He'd been honest with Brienne but he's turning away from that again.

>The last few seasons have been a train wreck but people are just now realizing there was a crash.
Wonkly analogy, I give it 5/10

We're at an airshow, GoT is a fighter jet. It's been doing all sorts of amazing tricks and we're all very entertained. But suddenly the plane is making a rapid and unexpected descent since they ran out of book.

Some of us can see that the plane is fucked. Other people don't understand planes very well and think things are going fine, they think it's going into some difficult manoeuvre in order to do another trick...

But now the plane is crashing and exploding and there's no dispute about it to be had anymore

>2: Jaime gradually realizes that his sister is a psychopath and opposes her, finding love in Brienne of Tarth, a woman as noble as he is, moreso even, and fights against the oncoming darkness selflessly, leaving his sinful ways behind.
Literally did not happen. There was no love with Brienne, just a pity fuck. At no point did Jaime opposed his sister in any real way, he just disagrees with her for a bit.

NCW confirmed based

I’d need to rewatch for specifics, but it was definitely hinted when he finds out she is fucking Lancel, Osmund Kettleblack, and Moonboy for all I know.
He should have been done with her after he left for the Riverlands

D&D: “Were not gonna pay fan service by having a cleganebowl.”
>pays fan service by having cleganbowl

Everything started because he loved her and she loved him. They lost all their children, and in the end they had nothing else but each other as two broken people.
There was no way he would ever kill her, unless she went full Daenerys.

It’d be cool if Ygritte turned into an other or a sentient undead. She wouldn’t be a mummy wight either because it hasn’t been that long right?

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Subverted.

>GoT is a fighter jet.
Wait a sec I thought GoT was a fine steak marinated in shit. When did we stop using food analogies?

You have it right, I think. Except the problem is that step 3 onwards was done awfully.

>everybody in the world screaming at you to finish the books
>plays with rc car instead
based

>*, but never discount malice.

You have like 49 things that point the other way. The problem with the Hero’s journey is that you can twist almost any mythic story to fit in it. It blew people’s mind at the time but today we realize there is only one story that matches the heroes journey exactly: Star Wars. Can you guess why?

There was still a scheme at play here. GRRM's master plan to sink the show to increase the interest and closure needed for his books.

AAA videogames are bad because the team is full of post-2014 untalented hacks who were hired because of diversity quotas and don't know how to and don't care if they don't make a good game they care about their agenda being in it
While Hollywood Jews have the same worldview they've been around the movie industry since the beginning so they know how to make a movie

this
wtf so everybody complained even actors but DnD refused to listen, you fucking hacks

>At times, Ani feels like a collection of random character traits Pizzolatto threw together in hopes of creating a female character who's stronger than any of season one's, but in McAdams's hands, she slowly becomes the closest thing season two has to a soul.
>People keep telling Ani what she is — for instance, she's angry at the world, but mostly at men
>Farrell in particular delivers the line, "I support feminism. Mostly by having body issues," as if he were very seriously taking a "How feminist are you?" quiz on BuzzFeed
>The season opens with a pair of scenes that outline how the main character, Ray (Farrell), might not be the father of his son because his wife was raped, a tragic occurrence that sent Ray on a spiral. The experience eventually cost him his marriage and might now cost him his son, too.

>vox.com/2015/6/19/8811419/true-detective-season-2-review-hbo

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Never attribute to sneedlice what could equally be described by chucklessness

Blowing up the Pope and the Vatican isn’t going full Daenerys?

What a champ

man, those are some low walls

>Schlomo Shekelbergstein's Subversive Writing
>good

Even past 4 it was mostly alright but the further along the series went the worse and worse the writing became, I mean shit look at Tywin who went from a tactical genius to a bumbling retard from the moment he got to Essos.

It's really something when the actors are pointing out that hiding in crypts full of the dead arent the best place to be when your warriors are facing an evil that can resurrect all things dead in a good few mile radius and all D&D can respond with is trust us.

based

Poor guy. He deserved way better

Yeah but Ani was literally molested. She had more reason than anyone to hate men but wasn’t some dyed hair feminist. She was actually a pretty realistic character with that backstory

>Even past 4 it was mostly alright
In what capacity can season 5 be called "alright" you buffoon

BASED

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Excellent post.

utterly based

>and then the Iron fleet that Dany completely forgot existed suddenly comes outta nowhere behind an island and kills a dragon
>how could she forget a fleet?
>Because Dany forgot
>how does she not see a fleet of ships
>because she is enjoying the breeze
>how do they manage to strike my green dragon 3 times killing it but never manage to hit me and drogon charging em
>stop asking these questions Emilia
>why do I charge em then run away and leave my men on the boats defenceless to get fucked over, couldn't we just circle around em and get em from behind?
>godamn it Emila just read the godamn script or so help me I'll give you another brain aneurism

Not him but i think Season 6 was alright.

She was abandoned by her own mother but doesn't hate women or moms.
Being a victim of crime doesn't excuse being a bigot by any stretch of the imagination. Hair color has nothing to do with identification of stronk women.

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If you watch the behind the scenes, they were too busy focusing on micro shit like Varys looking confused by Tyrion touching him.

EG is a mess (I still liked it) but there’s nothing wrong with people having good endings. I get that sometimes certain bookend troupes can become stale but most of the characters in GoT have suffered so much loss it’s practically misery porn. Having a few character arcs come to a concise ending isn’t shitting writing just because it’s nice. Do you walk to the story only to have your head and balls chopped off by a madman? No? Yeah because life isn’t subversive for the sake of being subversive you whaling cuck.

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Blowing up Bernie Sanders and his dregs was 130% good decision. If Romans did the same they would still have beautiful empire.

Do you have the one where he's jumping on a trampoline naked?

have sex

Yeah, people who think he’ll never release the books are delusional.

Yeah Sansa’s arc is complete shit and what was happening to her with Ramsey is completely NOT convincing. Reek was traumatized, while Sansa seemed slightly bothered and idk might kill myself later.

Subverting shit doesn't make for an entertaining story. Hack fraud writers did not in 201x AD suddenly figure out how to write a better plotline.

Only if you give me credit. My name is "user."

Should have just stayed with Brienne and ended his story there. There was literally no reason for him going to Cersei except to “fulfill prophecy”. People saying this is a satisfying conclusion are actually the ones up there own buttholes with Expectaions and paint by numbers character arcs. Jamie should have just stayed and that would be the last scene with him in the show. Think about it.

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>Pilou Asbaek refusing to close his eyes as Euron dies, saying he is going to look up at the sky with a smile on his face and they need to cut away
That's a beaut

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What is Ironman? Script was adlibed as fuck.

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Having the twin characters go to extreme length and subjected to ridiculously contrivances to end up dying in each other arms at the same second is the OPPOSITE OF SUBVERTING AN EXPECTATION. Christ. People D&D are not subverting anything. They are doing exactly what your would expect screenwriters to do.

kek

most people in real life do not get happy endings. they especially did not in the time period ASOIAF is supposed to parallel, loss was a persistent constant of living in that era. the majority of the mythology you can find ends up with a bloody and devastating ending. why is breaking with endless nauseating optimism that has dominated fantasy fiction since the victorian age (not before, it's not actually traditional) 'subversion'?

>>godamn it Emila just read the godamn script or so help me I'll give you another brain aneurism
savage kek

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Varys reminded me of what the wrirters did to Ben's character in season 5 of LOST, he was truly presented as the mastermind, always 2 steps ahead of everyone else and with a clear vision and plan for making thngs work in his favor.

THen he became a POW that walked through the jungle for an entire season.... they just dont know how to write smart characters.

Jaime literally got the ending he wanted, though? Him dying in the arms of the woman he loves isn't a "bad end" just because of the death aspect.

Most people in real life do not to ridiculous shit just to step up a situation where they can die in a poetic and prophetic way!!! Ffs this is not the realistic ending that GoT is known for. It’s the horeshit TV ending! It’s the cliche ending!

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It IS the bad end because of this exact reason, it happened because it was fated to happen based on the authors (not the characters) romantic ideas about love and fate.

Assolutamente basato.

Really the Wildlings are the ones that come out best in the end even if they suffered the most numbers up front
>no more ice monsters prowling their home
>ice wall partially destroyed enough to have raiding parties into the south whenever needed
>enough of em left to easily reproduce back up to previous numbers and more
>the North wont fuck with em to much
>Nights watch cant really fuck with em to much since theirs likely 2 guys left at Castle Black
>no mad queen Dany on her dragon to try to turn the 7 kingdons into 8 by putting her authority to their collective throats for liking Jon
>no fucks given or needed about the Iron Throne and its petty killing and wars around it

as a fan of the books it hurts to laugh, but laugh I must. I also pictured the weirwood trees like this but white with red leaves.

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That was her boyfriend

Are you actually mentally disabled or did you learn the terms you use from TvTropes?

"Catharsis" was a term describing experience of the audience, not the characters. Classic tragic characters ended exactly the way Jaime did, unable to change, unable to avoid what was destined to destroy them to begin with, with no "redepemtion arc" or any sort of redemption at all. AUDIENCE had a cathartic experience of going through the fictional trauma and then letting go of it.

>The adults in the room are discussing literary theory.
Too bad you sound more like college freshman trying to hide the fact he only read the summary before covering required reading with in 101 class.

>my wh*Te ass is on fire: the post
int was right

based

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Yet retards will still insist that D&D didn't butcher Jamie's character arc.

>hmm should we hire a primary school age kid who cannot comprehend what the scenes entail and will potentially age as poorly as rupert grint or will we use older actors and actresses that can actually provide a reasonable performance at the expense of being a few years older than described in the source material.
I'm all for needless autism but the show would have just turned into another YA fiction adaptation like Hunger Games if they lowered the actor ages.

This

>while also displaying the horrific nature of the world of GoT, where children are frequently married young, or worse, turned into sex slaves. You know, what the world is actually about?
You seem to misunderstand the way things work now. We've experienced a shift that literally happened during the airing of this show.

Then:
>fictional bad people do fictional bad things on TV
>whoa! haha, those people are bad! Westeros os a fucked up place! Let's see where they're going with this

Now:
>fictional bad people do fictional bad things on TV
>this is awful, why is this on television, things like this shouldn't be on television, day in, day out, I see this shit happening to people who look like me on television. This is reality. White people are the devil. Men are the devil.
>your boyfriend likes that show? Shame him. Dump him.
>who financed this shit? we need to get in touch with the advertisers

BASEATTO

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There are people in this thread who unironically cried out of anger and frustration because their self inserts didn't get the happy ending they wanted.

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The good knight who's been burdened by both his love for Cersei and his obligations to the crown/family to do evil. Jaime's arc is supposed to be about him cutting off Cersei, to metaphorically show how he's changed and won't lwt external influences stop him from being the man that he wants to be.
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