>The “A Song of Ice and Fire” novels and the “Game of Thrones” adaptation both appeal in part because of their anti-patriarchal themes. But the idea that toxic masculinity hurts everyone has always existed in contrast to a production and writing team comprised almost exclusively of white men. (The show has had an all-male writing and directing team from season five onward.)
>There will no doubt be a lot of ink spilled over this development as fans and critics digest what may very well be the final major twist in a television show a decade in the making and 25 years in the writing. In the end, author George R.R. Martin’s story is in part that of a woman who spent her entire life training and studying to one day become the leader of Westeros, only to become someone the country’s elites deem “too dangerous” to be allowed to take power. It looks increasingly likely that the savior of the country will be a man who knows almost nothing about ruling it. Even knowing this is based on an ending Martin had plotted out decades ago, the shades of the 2016 election are too hard to ignore.
>spent her entire life training and studying to one day become the leader of Westeros The fuck. Are these people even watching the show?
Levi Jenkins
Make your own Game of Thrones if you don’t like it, incels. Danny is a strong powerful homocidal maniac, deal with it
Ian Gomez
I really hope Trump wins again
Jacob Cook
have sex
Matthew Scott
They see what they want to see
Leo Cox
(article) Absolutely seething. Also go dilate.
Owen Martinez
>w-what do you mean women can be evil or fall from grace?? MISOGYNY And this is why we can't have great female characters. Every other year there's yet another character study on flawed male heroes, but you're not allowed to do that with women. Unless they are sassy Disney badies like Maleficent or they're not THAT BAD and turned evil because of a tragedy caused by patriarchy or something (also Maleficent)
Isaiah Ross
>a woman who spent her entire life training and studying to one day become the leader of Westeros
Unironically: We already know from the leaker proved to be accurate that Bran will be the King though. How will they deal with criticizing a handicapable person on the throne?
>the shades of the 2016 election are too hard to ignore. Of fucking course, because everything HAS TO BE ABOUT POLITICS
Aaron Miller
Repeating this stuff here makes it part of the legit internet. Don't do that. Let it die on TV-network internet where it belongs.
Evan Phillips
The punchline of GOT is obviously going to be that monarchy doesn't work. It's hilarious that this disappoints the bluehair.
Landon Martinez
If you ignore what's happening around you eventually something falls on top of your house.
Hunter Hernandez
>whiny feminists are whiny news at 11
Michael Lee
A dude in Mehreen is straight up 'let us torture this man's infant daughters so he tells us what we what to know' and Dany is just 'OK, do it'
She was never *nice* nor was she trained. She was an immense destructive force, and the entire point has been transitioning her from Essos where you can easily root for her to Westeros where we see the on-the-ground consequences of it with the characters we are fully familiar with.
Christian Ramirez
did they read the original books, dany was borderline badshit insane while ruling in essos
Elijah James
Dany spent her entire life preparing to become queen, just like Arya spent her entire childhood learning how to become the perfect assassin.
Logan Murphy
damn, i really am looking forward to the civil war
Tyler Bennett
Did they miss the whole targaryens go crazy point that's been going on since the show started?
Isaiah Campbell
bet she got a high pH pussy
Wyatt Moore
>The “A Song of Ice and Fire” novels and the “Game of Thrones” adaptation both appeal in part because of their anti-patriarchal themes.
The person who wrote this have not read one single book of the fat man.
Noah Johnson
>the shades of the 2016 election are too hard to ignore.
Guess that some people aren't yet done seething over that election.
James Hall
>the shades of the 2016 election are too hard to ignore
I didn't know Dany was training to become the leader of Westeros, i'm pretty sure what she was doing was gaining allies through force and appeasement to retake the throne that was taken from the Targaryens. What I always enjoyed about the series is that it takes place after the defeat of the "evil empire" by rebels. People seem to forget that Dany is the daughter of this evil empire.
Aaron Gray
I can't wait to finish my book. It's just like game of thrones but less unrealistic aka anti-patriarchal.
Easton Fisher
The Targaryen empire was alright until the mad king came along and shit up everything.
Brandon Campbell
>both appeal in part because of their anti-patriarchal themes. But the idea that toxic masculinity hurts everyone has always existed in contrast to a production and writing team comprised almost exclusively of white men. (The show has had an all-male writing and directing team from season five onward.)
>or they're not THAT BAD and turned evil because of a tragedy caused by patriarchy or something (also Maleficent)
Didn't Maleficent turn bad because she wasn't invited to a baby shower?
Carter Nelson
The Angelica Jolie one reveals that The King was the true bad guy in all this
Levi Moore
This will guarantee Trump loses in 2020
Henry Lee
I never saw this before. Amazing.
Kevin Cruz
>The “A Song of Ice and Fire” novels and the “Game of Thrones” adaptation both appeal in part because of their anti-patriarchal themes. you said if we ignore the left they will go why lied to me?
Huh you're on the wrong side buddy, SJW trannies are supposed to hate GoT now. It's the incels who love it now (myself included).
Ryder Campbell
In the Malephcent movie they reveal that she and the king had a romance but he stole her wings making him the true villain. Mephicent ends up renouncing evil and becomes good again while the king tries to kill her and falls off a building in typical Disney villain fashion.
Brandon Moore
It's more akin to the french empire before the revolution, some leaders were horrible, some were decent, some were good. But then one motherfucker drove the masses to start beheading all the nobility.
>IT WAS HER TURN!!!!!!! could this show finally cull the post wall herd?
Adrian Cooper
IT WAS HER TURN
Chase Nguyen
The most “anti patriarchal” character in asoiaf is Cersei in a feast for crows.
Leo Perez
>you said if we ignore the left they will go why lied to me? because the left told you that lie and they lie all the time
Chase Morris
no we're gonna need a hard reset m8
Ryder Lopez
> Even knowing this is based on an ending Martin had plotted out decades ago, the shades of the 2016 election are too hard to ignore. SO FUCKING STUPID
>The “A Song of Ice and Fire” novels and the “Game of Thrones” adaptation both appeal in part because of their anti-patriarchal themes. But the idea that toxic masculinity hurts everyone has always existed in contrast to a production and writing team comprised almost exclusively of white men It's almost as if they neither watched the show nor read the books and just followe whatever the twatter hivemind tells them to.
>A show focused on an aging white male hero, known for his calm equilibrium and wisdom, is a sharp U-turn from “Discovery,” which stars a diverse crew focusing on a young woman of color, played by Sonequa Martin-Green. After 50 years of paying lip service to equality and a future where sexism and racism were problems of the past, this new series features a cast that matches the rhetoric. The decision also dovetails with recent efforts by franchise rival "Star Wars" to improve its casting diversity.
>Much like Lucasfilm, the producers of “Discovery” also found themselves running up against the same small group of toxic vocal white males for whom opening the fandom in this manner was anathema. (And worryingly, the show seems to already be backtracking somewhat on that initial diversity.)
>It’s a frustrating dichotomy. Stewart's new series will almost certainly appeal to at least some of the holdouts who refused to sign up for “Discovery.” Especially when “The Orville” — a gentle “TNG” satire starring Seth MacFarlane — was free on Fox. Stewart, who is viewed as a savvy Hollywood player, hopefully has enough control over the new show to steer it in a legitimately progressive direction, under the guise of a “white male hero” premise. Indeed, many fans want to see “Star Trek” continue to push forward in this arena, with some arguing that shows like “Discovery” need to evolve further, not backtrack. One can only hope CBS hears them when it comes to this new series too.
This is written by the same "reporter" a year ago.
So when can we expect these people to get their comeuppance?
Tyler Phillips
>You guys realize that editorials and opinion columns don't represent the entire network, right?
Oh right. Of course. I'm sure you would make the same argument if a major media outlet gave platform to someone making a conservative, alt-right themed argument and totally wouldn't be screaming that by giving this kind of opinion a megaphone they implicitly endorse these ideas.
Jack Price
Hopefully their little brains explode from the irony.
Cameron Anderson
>when you're pulling down your pants >when she finally sees your dick
Jaxson Reed
>Even knowing this is based on an ending Martin had plotted out decades ago This is not Martin's ending
Xavier Roberts
>Oh right. Of course. I'm sure you would make the same argument if a major media outlet gave platform to someone making a conservative, alt-right themed argument The new York times gives a voice to many conservative writers in it's editorials, as well as just crazy fucks like Julian Assange, and then guys like Putin. Not to mention that so called alt right people are interviewed on mainstream news all the time, whether or not the alt right label is accurate though is up for debate. Perhaps you should clarify with some examples of individuals?
>and totally wouldn't be screaming that by giving this kind of opinion a megaphone they implicitly endorse these ideas. No, I clearly wouldn't do that. Perhaps you should talk to me and not some strawman.
Austin Nguyen
most people sperging out are teenage public school rejects that don't know what an editorial is, good luck educating them where the system failed
Dany wanted the Iron Throne and was willing to do anything to get it. This has been clearly explained multiple times throughout the show. "Muh patriarchy" this bitch watched the show because she thought Dany was good and YAAAS QUEEN SLAY.
Josiah Robinson
>No, I clearly wouldn't do that. Perhaps you should talk to me and not some strawman.
It is a strawman, but it's happened consistently enough from the left that it accurately represents reality. It's happened often enough it's really more of a stoneman at this point. It's a statue! Every time there is a conservative opinion in the Times or any mainstream media outlet there are loud calls from the left protesting that they are giving these voices platform at all. They constantly call for deplatforming of everyone they disagree with. Constantly. And I'm not even a conservative, I've been a liberal my entire life.
Jackson Young
Jeez, it's sounds like they're describing Hillary Clinton. No wonder this episode has them so buttmad.
Stupid people think the show is bad because it doesn't align with their views instead of because it has shitry writing and pacing.
Isaac Parker
>opinion piece >no comments section
Luke Bailey
So this is The Last Jedi for the other side >woman who spent her entire life training and studying to one day become the leader of Westeros >
Colton Torres
>crazy fucks like Julian Assange the absolute state
Isaiah Stewart
It's so irresponsible. Think of all the femcels who will be inspired by this to commit murder
Jaxson Ward
This is exactly what those "fake buzzfeed" headlines were saying
Charles Lopez
>comprised of
Take away whatever shitty English-lite degree this person has and send them back to Starbucks
Andrew Nguyen
>The “A Song of Ice and Fire” novels and the “Game of Thrones” adaptation both appeal in part because of their anti-patriarchal themes.
Hmm nope I am pretty sure the novels show that women are terrible fucking rulers.
Brayden Morris
B-b-b-but white male
Levi Peterson
Did this dumb bitch forget about Sansa and Arya? They are doing just fine (especially Arya). And besides, men have been BTFO way more than women in this series.
Sebastian Walker
>a woman who spent her entire life training and studying to one day become the leader of Westeros >a man who knows almost nothing about ruling But Jon has had more education about ruling than Dany. He grew up in Winterfell with Rob, getting the same education, and in the Night's Watch he was groomed for leadership by Jeor Mormont. Dany was constantly on the run in Essos since she was born, abused by her brother as a meek girl, and eventually sold like a whore to Khal Drogo
Josiah Powell
He's something else now
Benjamin Long
Heh, it really is, I didn't think of it that way, but it is.
Honestly this is what happened; >GRRM writes the books in the 90s before SJW culture becomes mainstream >Most female characters - AND the male ones - are deeply flawed. Characters like Cersei for example have almost no redeeming qualities at all >Eventually D&D run out of source material and have to write themselves >Suddenly female characters are written to be almost perfect YASSS QUEEN pro-feminism avatars and have almost no flaws >The SJW crowd sees this and rallies around them, particularly Daenerys who exemplifies many modern left-wing social causes >Suddenly they get to the end of the story, GRRM gave them the outline for how he wanted the end to go about five years ago >"Fuck" >Suddenly Dany turns into the character that burns down Kings Landing >Massive outrage
They really did get "Rian-ed".
Joshua Rivera
>looking at the racial makeup of the show's creators and cast, we can't help but wonder whether this show with dragons and zombies isn't an allegory for the presidential election
I don't think it's possible to sum up modern US media better than this
Kevin Richardson
>homocidal lul
Juan White
haha, yup
It's even better though
>this show with dragons and zombies written in the 1990's
Straight delusion.
Dylan Thompson
>appeal in part because of their anti-patriarchal themes. What a narrow-minded opinion. The book and show had appeal because of the setting and political intrigue. It kept that appeal with supernatural/prophecy elements and character development. It lost that appeal by throwing all the development away in favor of postmodern story subversion.
Oh he will. Leftists have learned nothing since 2016. They're like a dog with a long stick in its moth trying to enter a doorway but can't, so it just keeps trying the same method without success.
Carter Anderson
The editorial DOES represent the opinion of the entire magazine. That's what an editorial is for. To see the what position the magazine or newspaper is takih on things, but that's just an opinion piece, which doesn't represent the magazine or network, most opinion writers are lefr with freedom of speech.
Christopher Gray
They didn't and the showrunners didn't include much of the details how everyone's lives became more miserable as soon as Dany came into the power in Essos while destabilizing the region. She did free the slaves, but since the Masters would no longer take care of them the slaves would starve and beg for their former Masters to take them back in. At some other places the slaves and the masters would simply swap places and the life would go on as usual. I guess it's just a shitty subversion attempt by the writers to whitewash the character as much as they can so that in the last few episodes her insanity would be an event akin to red wedding, but it clearly backfired.
Shitty show and shitty writers, hope the remake gets better writers on it. Also fuck the seething wine aunties who didn't realize the show was already going down the shitter 4-5 seasons ago.
Elijah Long
>The “A Song of Ice and Fire” novels and the “Game of Thrones” adaptation both appeal in part because of their anti-patriarchal themes So we're already starting from a faulty premise.
Benjamin Flores
>a woman who spent her entire life training and studying to one day become the leader of Westeros >entire life training and studying
She got raped by a biker and then tried to set herself on fire!
>George R.R. Martin’s story is in part that of a woman who spent her entire life training and studying to one day become the leader of Westeros Young Griff is a chick?
Ian Miller
The probability that the "woman" who wrote this article even knows who that is is extremely low.
Aiden Roberts
>defending a pedo based kike
Easton Rivera
>The editorial DOES represent the opinion of the entire magazine. No, it represents the opinion of the person writing it, not the entire magazine. Keep trying little zoomer.
Nathaniel Clark
I hope he does just because it would be really funny
Elijah Clark
>but it's happened consistently enough from the left that it accurately represents reality. I'm not on the left and gave no indication I was. You'd get farther actually arguing the points brought up instead of debating with someone that isn't even here.
Gavin Gutierrez
>Suddenly female characters are written to be almost perfect YASSS QUEEN pro-feminism avatars and have almost no flaws I wouldn't say that .Cersei still does abhorent shit and is a slut while Dany does wnat to burn and kill others with her dragons. the problem was that all of that was always shown to be just acts and good. At laest in Danys case, with Cersei you had no feedback from those around her to what she did. Which is why so many "missed" the signs that she's now the mad queen. The steps where people around Dany realize that she's a psycho who becomes more and more unstable are missing. If they had taken the 2 seasons á 10 episodes deal, they would've had enough time to show that, but since it's only 6 left, ikt feels more that they jumped from A to B straight to Z in her development within 5 episodes.
Adrian Sullivan
>editorial Do you want that even means, joomer?
Gavin Jones
they'd probably be even more mad with the book ending because the book ending will likely be the same thing but instead of deposing Cersei, who is also a tyrant, daenerys will get pissy because fAegon is a far more capable leader than her and everyone rightfully loves him because of it they'd be even more upset with daenerys shown as the usurper of a wise loved male king, and then Jon also kills her I hope GRRM finishes the fucking books so we can have this play out
James Ward
> the shades of the 2016 election are too hard to ignore. even the most insane killary loyalists are now admiting she'd lose the nukes if she got ellected. Dalila's option.
Bentley Anderson
If the magazine disagreed with the opinion, then they would never publish it in the first place. Imagine these same Leftist magazines publishing a Republican who uses the word "nigger" in the opinion piece. You cant because that would never happen.
Landon Bennett
>Young Griff is a trap To think it couldn't get any more based
i wonder if: Jon tries to kill her, everyone unanimously backing Jon, but then he fails. And she climbs up to the throne full chaotic evil mad queen with all her enemies killed. The starks anihilated -- maybe arya fucked off back to bravos.
Brayden Long
>I hope GRRM finishes the fucking books
It's 95% probablehe never finishes WoW. It is 99.999% probable he never finishes SoS.
Xavier Howard
It's pretty obvious you have not had one (1) course in journalism, stop talking out of your ass. An editorial is normally written by the editor in chief, or an editor which controls the general direction of the newspaper or magazine (because there's no such thing as a 100% unbiased news magazine). There's only one editorial in each publication, but there can be a lot of opinion pieces. There's something worse than an ignorant, and it is an ignorant as sure of himself as you. You can even take five seconds to google it before posting, you know? Imbecile.
Jason Jones
Actually revolutionary France was pretty chill, only the m*sons and j**s attacked the monarchy. Which is why the revolution was only a Paris thing for a long time.
Pretty much all of the horror stories we hear about Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette are myths and fake news that were invented/attributed to them after their deaths to retroactively create a justification for the revolution. For example, Marie Antoinette never said "Let them eat cake". Look it up.
Jackson Jones
>If the magazine disagreed with the opinion, then they would never publish it in the first place. The absolute state of this zoomer. The New York Times in particular has stated they'll allow even controversial people like Putin to write in their opinion articles. Get your head out of your ass.
Henry Scott
>zoomer is buttmad colour me shocked
Cooper Hughes
>the shades of the 2016 election are too hard to ignore.
Yep, it's eerily similar.
Levi Sanchez
>Even knowing this is based on an ending Martin had plotted out decades ago, the shades of the 2016 election are too hard to ignore. holy fucking obsession
Dominic Sanchez
Good thing is: they're also jewish so they can do whatever they want.
Carson Miller
>gets called an idiot with actual facts >his only answer is that everyone else is mad It is actually funny to btfo someone that's so obviously wrong, kek. Besides, you're that type of idiot that hates to be wrong, which is even more sweet. I bet you're seething. But hey, don't change user, keep being yourself.
Matthew Cooper
Yea Forums GoT butthurt breds are a lot better than Yea Forums's too bad the jannies there are starting to get mad.
this and im not even american. watching the meltdown in 2016 was too hilarious since basic bitches here in yurop think that the american election will affect their life in any way
half of them were fucked in the head. this time they just pushed it too far and didnt have dragons to save their asses
Thomas Martin
If she wanted to rule she'd stayed in Essos, she wanted payback.
Nathan Reyes
>keeps replying after being rekt >is ironically ''laughing'' that others are mad Kek, sure, everyone's believing you user.
Zachary Gray
Nah, I want our country to be less retarded for once. Fuck Biden, though.
Leo Cox
Normies love this season of GOT. They keep speculating about how its going to end, and they believe that old subplot details and character motivations will explain what will happen in the end. The iron bank, Tyrion's intelligence coming back, Arya murdering everyone like a fucking weeb, etc. Then you have the freefolkfags who do nothing but meme to explain how poor the writing has become since D&D ran out of material. But because they are the most vocal minority on the internet, Yea Forums, of course, has to decide that they are the majority opinion, cause none of you actually talk to regular people. So then, the actual end opinion of Yea Forums is the fucking normie opinion because it subverts the only other well thought out opinion about the show. Y'all are fucking stupid. This show went down hill and you know it. They left for star wars instead of drawing these obvious tropes out for 6 more episodes. D&D are hacks and youre lapping it up because its led to disappointment for tons of people.
Nathan Ward
>everyone's mad because the show didn't follow MY headcanon of what was supposed to happen
All these fucking retards don't understand how their ideological thinking is cornering them every time they view any show, book, or movie. And its beautiful.
Jeremiah Cruz
What the hell did Daenyris even fucking know? He was raised be a baby factory for Khal Drogo in Visery's name, and little else.
Because it's how they take shit over. It's why they constantly "muh pol" when anything even remotely political is brought up. They want to be able to bitch and moan about patriarchy and whatever else bullshit issue they care about, and they're used to being able to do this on most sites now without getting dog piled for their shitty beliefs. But here, they know they'll get shut down, so they resort to "DURR not a political board" or "just ignore them DURR". When they have control, EVERYTHING is political, but when they're uncertain of their influence, they want you to ignore them and not talk politics.
Brandon Nguyen
can we stop pretending this is how the books will end too. people think that george has all of it written and gave it to d&d, if anything it was one page of a few story beats. this is all oc by dipshit and dumbass
Hunter Roberts
>author George R.R. Martin’s story is in part that of a woman who spent her entire life training and studying to one day become the leader of Westeros Did we read the same book? Daenerys fucked, sacked and burned her way into power.
Gabriel Morris
I bet you are voting Bernie. Trump has been fine. Liberals hyped him up like hitler and he wasnt that at all. He has followed the laws better then Obama thats for sure.
Ryan Collins
>keeps replying acting butthurt kek
Evan Butler
>He has followed the laws better then Obama thats for sure. He's actually used executive orders to skirt laws in the same way. Weird that you niggers are praising Obama 2.0
Jaxson Allen
This, she is absolutely worthless without her advisors, and even they were shit.
Jaxon Green
Def a Bernie supporter. Also no he has not, no matter how much MSNBC and CNN have said it, doesnt mean its true.
Jack White
Believe whatever head canon you want to believe, but it's pretty fucking obvious that mad queen was the arc for Dany, as per GRRM. Just because Dipshit and Dumbfuck didn't care to give this particular part of the story the time it deserved to ensure the story wasn't completely butt fucked, doesn't mean that this wasn't what GRRM has planned for the mad dragon queen.
Nathan Young
I'm not whatever other user you were talking to. >Also no he has not He has certainly used many executive orders. Educate yourself.
Hunter Bennett
Stannisfrens, Tywinfags, yes even Robfags and the Renlyshits. Fans of Walder Frey, of Craster, of Joffrey or of Ramsay. You know what? We might disagree on who is the best king or coolest character. But atleast, and never forget this: Atleast, at the very least, trough all the pain we have been, we were not danyfags and cheered for the genocidal maniac. Which was by the way foreshadowed since the beginning, altough D&D of course fucked that up, but hey, thats what happens when you let fucking redditors run your show.
Not to shield himself from laws retard. That was was what commarade user was trying to say. All presidents use executive orders. obama was the one who broke tradition and used it to get around laws. No one noticed cause the MSM was sucking him off like crazy everyday. Only media that had the balls to call him out was fox but everyone would just discredit them
I swear I think over half of this board underage
Dylan Smith
>Not to shield himself from laws >muslim ban >claims executive privilege to prevent testimony >zoomer claims others are underage kek
Ryder Peterson
Holy shit do some research retard. Nothing you said is accurate also he didnt ban muslims he fucking banned travel from countries that were high risk he got that list from the Obama admin. If you are a American you are a fucking retard, if not fuck out of our politics unless you know what your talking about.
>zoomer
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