Why. How

Bran was warging into her. He’s the real villain. The white walkers will be revealed to have been the heroes trying to save Westeros all along.
Burn them all.

What? She had never been in King's Landing. She was born in Dragonstone before fleeing Westeros.
But yeah, I guess it has some sense of poetic justice that she did exactly what the Lannisters did to them

>If only the didn't go for the "mad queen" bullshit, but rather ruthless ruler who decided to make an example of one city so that other lords can see what is going to happen to them if they try anything retarded.

She didn't even go mad. She decided the night before when she told Jonsno that she'd rule through fear.

I like the mad Dany approach but this is so retarded I want it to happen

Extended:
>The boys of the Lannister army
>Were throwing swords away
>And the bells were ringing out
>For Yass Queen slay

Hasnt she always thought she was a badass? She has bad impulses like burning down tents and killing anyone that doesnt kneel. She rules by fear because thats all she has. Even back in essos

She lost two of her dragons, she lost half her army at Winterfell, she lost most of her advisors. All she had left was an alliance with a family who mostly hate her led by a dude who betrayed her trust and wouldn't fuck her anymore and now she had a chance to wipe out the largest and most well trained standing army left in the seven kingdoms while they're all trapped in one place as well as make an example of the city in true Targarian fashion
What she did made perfect sense but femcels can't accept it because they thought a ruthless narcissist would always behave well

Maybe Bran wanted King Night to kill Daenerys, knowing she’d be out there battling him, when that didn’t work, he shit his pants and the littlest turd teleported behind the Night King and transformed into Arya with a magic knife. Based Raisin Bran.

>ITT head canon because the show does an awful job explaining it

Easiest answer. The girl got dumped by Jon and went on a vengeful bf bonfire the next day

I guess this the actual explanation the writers are going with. Jon being the true Targaryen heir and her being an outsider to Westeros forced her to take the feared approach to get what she's wanted at all costs for the entire series.

no one expected the las vegas shooter to do what he did, and he had a lot less about him than dany that would imply mass-murder tendencies.

You can see her still wrestling with it over KL.

>Why did Romans destory Carthage?
That was an enemy civilization they had been at war with on and off for more than a century, though. King's Landing is supposed to be Dany's capital. This is like if Caesar had marched his men into Rome and just told them to sack the city because why not?

she's a single woman reaching 40 but with dragons instead of cats
it was the only possible outcome

>If only the didn't go for the "mad queen" bullshit, but rather ruthless ruler who decided to make an example of one city so that other lords can see what is going to happen to them if they try anything retarded.
But that's exactly what she did, after he nephew denied her sex she said "let it be fear." That's still a mad thing to do, making an example out of an entire city, the capital city.

Still it makes for shitty dramaturgy.

>after he nephew denied her sex she said "let it be fear."
wow old single women are batshit crazy

These.

Yes its been known.

>needs to be explicitly told something to believe it because he can't read into subtleties within characters/story
thanks for confirming once again that only animate-watching retards are upset at all this.

>sacking of jerusalem by the christians

They've been explaining it the whole series.
They even really obnoxiously highlighted the theory behind it twice in this episode just for idiots to be reminded.
Half of the Targ's are prone to going insane. Turns out she was, losing another one of her 'children' and Missandei was the catalyst to trigger this.

I just realized both of Jon's love interests were murderous psychopaths. Bad poosy indeed.

crazy danny makes my dick hard holy shit

for 8 seasons I never found emilia attractive until this epsidoe

Daenerys has been imagining this moment for nearly her entire life. She's staring down the red keep as the bell tolls signifying that she has won the throne, yet she finds no victory in it. She came here to break the wheel, and in this moment the wheel still turns.

There's no love for her in Westeros. She has imagined for years that she would be welcomed back as a hero, the rightful heir to the iron throne. When Daenerys liberates Yunkai from the slave masters, she's dubbed "Mhysa" and knows she has the love of the people. When she saves Westeros from the threat of the Night King and his undead army, she's largely disregarded and remains treated as an outsider.

Her allies nearly immediately turn against her and begin scheming to usurp her place on the throne. She learns that she no longer has the rightful claim, and this "secret" is already being used against her. Varys, her trusted adviser, plotted against her under suspicion that she might be following the path of the mad king. Missandei was robbed from her. Tyrion undermines her. Jon is lost to her. She can't secure her rule with love and as a result knows that the wheel continues turning to crush her.

So in this moment, as the bells toll, Daenerys isn't driven to madness. She's driven to the one option she has left. We see her furious at those that have forced her hand. We see her grieve accepting what she must now do. And then we see her scour King's Landing.

"Alright, then. Let it be fear."

based Pogues poster.

nah, the real reason is that she doesn't understand how to acquire legitimacy to rule in the eyes of commoners who are not bound to slavery or other equivalent conditions.
Her thought of rule through fear subverting the traditions of power (as she did across the ocean) would solve her issue of gaining the power.
her advisers being ready to jump the ship yet again and the lack of compassionate trust she was willing to show to to Jon that was never returned in his part (and who is also the threat to her power she can't submit to her will but pays a lip service instead) are the general reasons for her snapping.
When it comes to massacring civilians thou, it's just pure hackery.

The las vegas shooter didn't have 8 seasons dropping hints that he may one day go berserk, so no.

Not their capital/homeland though.

>Why did Alexander sack Thebes?

Becaise Thebians were fucking shits who were left in peace in exchange for submission, and then decided to rebel when they felt they have a chance.

>Why did Romans destory Carthage?

Because Romans were fucking shits who wanted to eliminate mercantile competition from a former rival that was rendered militarily and politically harmless half a century ago.

Notably in both cases the act was heavily regretted later, with Alexander himself helping to build Thebes back even.

>If only the didn't go for the "mad queen" bullshit, but rather ruthless ruler who decided to make an example of one city so that other lords can see what is going to happen to them if they try anything retarded.

Rebelling against a retarded psycho Queen who just killed a good portion of her own army (would have left the rest to starve and freeze in the wasteland, had logistics ever mattered in the series) is the most rational and sensible thing to do. I understand that you're probalby a burger, and therefore naturally psychopathic and solipsistic, but in the real life you don't go around "making examples" unless your position is already secure. Or to be more precise, you can, but then you will end up overthrown. And certainly you don't do so by burning your own resouces.

Gods she's so cute like this. Where are the crazy Dany fanfics?!

well said user

wrong
yes, she said that, but she ultimately decided for that AFTER she was all fucked up because
>muh jorah died
>muh northmen dont like me
>muh missandei beheaded
>muh jon snow rejected me

it's fucking obvious that she's being portrayed as mad and unstable, stop being fucking retarded

You simpletons really need to cut this shit out. This is Westeros, if you want to rule by fear then you burn the Red Keep to the ground with Cersei in it. If you want another Bobby B.'s rebellion then you burn the surrounding peasants for no fucking reason while claiming its for their benefit that you are here to kill Cersei. No other explanation than that Danny was always a murderous narcissist who was waiting for all the pieces to be in place to reign in terror makes even a lick of sense.

>I choose violence.
>Let it be fear.

Complete the trilogy.

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Let’s say she had crabs.

Could bran warg into them and walk around on her pusy?

So I have watched GOT off and on, mostly getting the story from a couple episodes and what people tell me for years. So I don't have all the info. But to me, it seemed like she was like you said, quasi sociopathic from day one -- so I'm not sure why people are so confounded that she's doing something cruel now. She's always been bloodthirsty and heartless, pathologically obsessed with her right to the throne. Even in season one she just didn't give a shit about her brother dying from getting his face melted by molten gold or whatever. Every step after that has seemed pretty psycho, showing her to be, not unhinged, but definitely driven by anger and self-importance gets sketchy some episodes throughout the whole show. So I'm not sure why people are blown away that she'd go nuts.

Also anyone remember when she got raped by dothraki chad and got so stockholm syndrome'd that she married him? What a dumb bitch

Imagine warging into her gut bacteria and getting pooped out.

>> a single mother of non biological bastards who wields unearned power and loves killing people who don't love her

what exactly doesn't make sense to you? it's roastie logic

>sacking of Chang'an during the An Lushan Rebellion

>I really hope that next episode she explains that she's sociopathic and she has been like this since day one and every benevolent thing she had ever done and any restraint she had shown were just ploys to advance herself,

She was, and she did, but she will likely never admit it even to herself.

>and when the bells rang she had confirmation that she could finally be what she really is and act on her cruel impulses.

When the bell rang the conflict before her self-image and her true desires for cruelty and unrestricted power came to the fore, and then she rationalized it away in the exact same way historically uneducated people in threads like this rationalize her actions.

>Literally this is the only thing that would explain what she did.

To you.

> her most trusted adviser died
> her subordinate pledged allies don't view her as their queen
> her only true female friend was beheaded
> her only threat to the throne regardless of war's outcome paid a lip service to her once she was willing to show vulnerable compassionate trust in him
> it's fucking obvious that she's being portrayed as mad and unstable
ay, she hasn't ever even ruled but done what advisers told her to do, now she's got only two: one she cannot trust (tyrion) & her bloodlust sharing yes-man (greyworm)

She literally spelled it out in a scene before you dumb reddit fuck. Why are you fags so brain dead, body shit.

May be resentment since she was born into the role of queen, with everyone around her pushing her towards it. She never really had a chance to figure out if she wants to be a queen, just acting in the interest of first her brother and then her advisors and such. The city, then, stands as an image of this life that was forced upon her, so she destroys it to free herself and in turn build her own legacy.

You may notice that rebellion failed, and failed exacty because at least some of the loyalists mustered the resolve to fight at any cost, never yielding and never believing in any promises.

Because this is the first time she shows any real and tangible emotion lmao

>she never wanted to be queen
pfff get out of here

>I have to kill everyone in the city to make everyone hate me, otherwise they'll force my nephew to be king even though he's totally devoted to me and doesn't want to be king.
hmm yes, makes sense.

She is mad, that doesn't mean she didn't have intentions either. You have to be mad to go through with such a plan.

No one is implying her actions were justified user, calm down. There can be reason without justification.

>sacking of Luoyang by Dong Zhuo

I'm not saying she didn't want it once she got used to the idea (around the whole Mhyasa part probably, or when she retrieved the dragons), but she started out as a naive kid doing whatever her big brother told her to do. At that age she likely didn't even have a concept of what it would mean to be queen.

You may notice that ended up as the act that made disintegration of the country into warlord domains more or less official and made Dong Zhuo's position, which depended on him having power over the court, untenable in the long term.

>There can be reason without justification.

Yes there can be but in this case there is neither, only hack writers and people on the internet explaining away their stupidity. Nothing Danny did after the Bells tracks with any through-line at all.

A) She just hates Cersei - She goes for the Red Keep to prioritize killing her
B) She is mad that the citizens don't love her as much as Jon - She goes for the Red Keep and kills Jon for treason
C) She just wants to see it all burn - She goes for the Red Keep and then spreads from there after she ensures that the person who pushed her to this is roasted to a crisp

As I said, no option outside of complete mustache twirling mastermind waiting for no opposition would proceed to kill the peasants first.

Dumb and dumber don't like sense. Just turn your brain off and enjoy the spectacle and don't forget to dab on the libs ebin style.

I llove how you fucktards start to praise dumb and dumber for the "great" writing all of a sudden.

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In the bts DD said that seeing the red keep triggered her since it was the seat of her familiy to the point that she just wanted to burn the whole city down. And not the red keep. Or the dude that killed her dad who was in front of her 3 episodes ago. The best way is to just turn your head off and laugh at the libtards getting mad for once about the shit writing.

its obvious she will go full mad queen like her father, and jon will have to kill her...yawn

This.

>next to nothing points towards it
>but lets pretend it does all of a sudden since it btfo sjw epic style

Underrated

Based

Seething

Her going mad was as much foreshadowed as Arya killing the NK.
If you couldn't see it, your underaged brain doesn't belong here.

>What she did makes no sense
She's used to being loved and adored by people who just willingly kneel to her, and killed those who refused. Pic related was the norm for six fucking seasons.
Ever since she went to Westeros, things have changed. Everyone fucking hates her ass, and only agreed to kneel to her out of fear (either fear of her, or fear of being killed by the Night King). She's also lost a lot of people who loved her, namely Jorah Mormont and Missandei, as well as two of her dragons (who were her children).
From this perspective, it makes perfect sense why she snapped and did what she did.

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Coping.

nah not the way to do it.

They need to convince the audience that this was somehow the only way to maintain control given the rumors about Jon spreading uncontrollably (Sansa probably leaked to even more people).

>Ever since she went to Westeros, things have changed.

This is a bullshit take, Danny specifically said that Viserys was a fool for drinking up the bullshit that people fed him about wishing that Targ rule would come back and calling Bobby B a Usurper behind his back. She knew from the start that it would be an uphill battle and stated several times that she would not rush to Westeros until she was ready.

>she had to rule through fear
>obliterating the Golden company, the Lannister armies, hundreds of anti-Dragon weapons and the iron fleet in minutes wasn’t enough to inspire fear

Stop trying to defend these hack writers bullshit. Story wise, nothing ever suggested she would massacre civilians for no reason. She never gave them the choice to bend the knee or time to accept her as ruler, it was incredibly forced.
The only reason Dumb and Dumner has her slaughter civilians is because they had to turn her into a Saturday morning cartoon villain in order to get the fan base to understand she’s supposed to be the antagonist. Literally no one wound have gave a fuck if she just wrecked the armies and killed Cersei, that’s exactly what they wanted to happen

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Still no motive.

Lel. Any given situation allows for a variety of explanations. Moreover the motivations and actions of other roles were readily unterstandable in the past. If you're believing this was a conscious artistic choice by D&D, instead of poor execution, the brainlet is you.

there's a difference between knowing something intellectually and feeling its reality

There's a difference between inspiring fear by burning enemy forces to the ground and murdering innocent people who your entire motivation was centered around protecting from tyrants.

She said that before becoming Daenerys Targaryen, multiple titles. She's since developed quite the ego for herself, as demonstrated by how she holds herself since setting foot on Westeros. Her entire philosophy and way of thinking has been "I am the rightful ruler by lineage and I am the best for the job because I am the greatest person ever and I will free everyone of tyranny even if that means killing everyone in the process" and she's shown in the past few episodes that she has issues with everyone hating her and is certainly envious and threatened by Jon Snow.
And it's not a "take," it's literally me explaining what happens in the fucking show. She's got an ego because she's used to being hailed as the "breaker of chains" and isn't used to being hated and feared.

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>I will free everyone of tyranny even if that means killing everyone in the process

Literally never her motivation despite having several opportunities where that would have been the easier path.

>it's literally me explaining what happens in the fucking show.

Yes, it is you trying to explain away awful writing and making a shitty attempt at it. Is there seeds for Danny to go mad? Yes. Does it make even a granule of sense that she would burn peasants before going after Cersei? Not even a little bit and you are making an ass of yourself trying to sell anyone on it.

She already rationalized killing them off in her head in a line earlier in that episode: she's willing to kill them off if it'll secure her rule and therefore ensure, in her mine, that tyranny will never return. Who is literally going to fuck with her when she's shown she's so batshit crazy and powerful that she can destroy and entire city? Very few people will mess with that (unfortunately for her, Jon and Arya are among those very few people who will mess with that). She realized she has to rule with fear, and gave them something to fear.

>sacking of Nineveh by babylonians.

Fuck off with your reddit tier bullshit. She's the mad queen and if you don't dab on btfoing normalfags le epic style you don't belong in here. DD are fucking master storytellers for rusing you fucktards to the extent they did with /ourqueen/ Dany.

>She already rationalized killing them off in her head in a line earlier in that episode

Yes, its almost as though a single line within the same episode where you decide to make her a cartoon villain is a very sudden shift that isn't earned. I.E. What everyone is saying.

>Who is literally going to fuck with her when she's shown she's so batshit crazy and powerful that she can destroy and entire city?

Are you daft? Do you have any idea how politics works? Wiping out the navy and army inspires fear. Wiping out peasants going about their day-to-day before even considering going after your actual enemy inspires insurrection.

>sings since season 1
>n-n-n-o there weren't
>my headcanon has her as perfect being
fuck off tard. If you didn't see the sings you should start watching the show for once and not just parrot whatever your plebbit hivemind tells you.

This is what happens when you get a crazy bitch. Stop supplying that vitamin D and she'll burn your fucking house down.

She didn't burn down Meereen because there was no need to: she was loved by the peasants/slaves and thus they revolted and gave her the city. That's not the situation with King's Landing, where the peasants view her as an invader with scary dragon. The show made this clear, again, not my "take" but literally things said in the show.
You're calling things "shitty writing" while at the same time ignoring events as they happened and changes to the character, and getting upset and offended when these things are pointed out to you by people like me. Bit unfair that.

She was like that the whole show you blue haired npcs where just too blind to see it. She literally have 0 good decision true the show. The only time she make good decision is when someone else advice her to do something.

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You think too much. Just turn your brain off bro, and enjoy the show. It's waht dumb and dumber would want you to do. And if you can dab on normies in the provess, then do so as well.

Yep, since Season 1 Danny has always wanted to burn peasants before her enemies.

Game of Thrones?

More like GAY of Thrones.

>gets denied sex
>spergs out

Hmmm. Who could this remind us of.

If she cares so much about protecting innocents why is she bringing a foreign army to conquer their lands? Surely it would be better if she just fucked off, the peasants don't want your mad inbred ass on the throne and they sure don't want to be raped and pillaged for it.

Daenerys was lying to herself and everyone else when she said all of that crap about breaking the wheel and ruling justly. She only ever wanted power. From the looks of it though, the way the episode was shot, she had already successfully sacked the city outside of killing Cersei before the bells rang. So burning the people looked more like a joy ride murder spree than a necessary act to instill fear. Conquering the city and the kingdom should instill enough fear, you would think. It's stupid writing that could have worked if other circumstances were worked in but it was badly executed.

>character has a conversation explaining their viewpoints and what they currently believe and what led them to believe it
>"i don't get it"
Well, friend, there's only one episode left for you to half watch and get upset over even though you have no actual reason to be upset, so be positive.

In reality Daenerys just threw a glorified temper tantrum at the Kings Landing. For the first time in her life, she's not the messiah everybody adores and her fragile, coddled ego can't take it. She was always emotionally weak and nowhere near as awesome as she thought she was. She just had competent people at her side making sound decisions for her, so she looked good in turn. And it went to her head. Now they are gone and Westeros is a much tougher nut to crack than a bunch of unwashed savages that you can easily impress with a dragon and a gruesome execution. She's playing in the big boys league now, and she's not prepared. Hence - a tantrum.

She was slowly watching the people her council, the people closest to her, begin to betray her from Jon, Tyrion, to Varys in quick succession all because of Jon who literally refuses to acknowledge the unintended consequences of his actions. In the span of a few episodes, everything she's gone through for the past 7 seasons meant absolutely shit, zilch, nothing. She read the writing on the wall and despite Jon's best intentions and promises to pledge fealty, she knew that given her strategy thus far, everything was slipping away, not even having a chance to become a better ruler of the seven kingdoms. She'd amass allies and armies and assets, the greatest the world has ever seen to unite the seven kingdoms under her rule all to have it stripped from her by a secret of birth.

Yeah, she lost her temper- the mother of dragons could never rule as the aunt of the rightful heir to the throne; Jon's path to the throne practically paved by her. The kind ruler was being quickly betrayed, so she decided, as many tyrants do, to lead with fear first and to build trust later. If tyrants use human shields, sometimes you have to break through shields to save more people.

It sucks, but innocent people are always swept into war. That's why if it can be avoided, you avoid going to war.

>thus they revolted and gave her the city.

So upon hearing the bells tolling to ring in her victory and the people bowing to her rule she then decides to burn them all? Do you even know how stupid and contrary your reasoning sounds?

The bells signal exactly what she wanted and yet she very suddenly doesn't want it. That's bad writing.

So from commoners & poor caring compassionate breaker of chains to throne obsessive tyrant.
What was the point where her character changed again?

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>Wiping out peasants
also inspires fear, especially when you also wiped out their navy and army. This is literally how the US defeated Japan in WWII. They had to do it twice, granted, but it's pretty effective.

>FEAR, THEN

1 line sold it.
They'll never love her, so why not inspire absolute total fucking terror?

>she then decides to burn them all
To rule through fear, yes.

>Daenerys was lying to herself and everyone else when she said all of that crap about breaking the wheel and ruling justly. She only ever wanted power.

Which is fine if you establish that over 7 seasons, if you have her make choices where its clearly for the power instead of doing things for the people that actually inhibit your power-grab.

A good way to avoid war is to not bring dragons and hordes of savages into someone elses land with the intent of conquest. Truly the acts of a kind ruler wishing to avoid war.

>How about I have every person in Westeros hate Targaryens? Worked out great the last time people had an inspiration to rise up against them and tear them down.

Even D&D themselves said that Danny isn't this stupid, but now she is because...reasons.

To appeal to liberal women who are all psychotic hypocrites

> They'll never love her
Whom? The people in KL?
How the fuck would she know that from her experience with Northeners?
and also this

Yes, she has reasons, the biggest being she realized that they will never ever love her. They will always hate her. So let them hate her, let them fear her, she'll rule through fear if she must, because she realized she can't rule through love with people who won't love her.

They didn't give a shit about the city and its inhabitants, only about what had happened there 1000 years before. They wouldn't loot the religious artifacts but everything else was fair game.

> They will always hate her
For being a Targaraen? Why would she think people would love Jon in that case once they hear he's one too?

This is basically your problem here chief

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Cersei had no right to the throne and even attempted to kill Daenerys as a child. If you want to avoid war, you follow the rules of succession to the throne and not force people to remove you. Daenerys had the right and overwhelming force and Cersei sacrificed King's Landing just to maintain power.

The bells must have played when her father was killed and it awoke bad memories.

I disagree. That would change her character to be more like a Cersei or a Tywin. She IS like them ultimately when it comes to being forced to act, and that was what was shown in the sacking of King's Landing. But she thought of herself as just and good up until that point and really believed it and tried to act in accordance with that when the stakes weren't as high. If you throw in the fact that Jon is the rightful heir and others will know that after she takes the throne and conspire against her because of it, it starts to make sense that she showed she is ruling by might and not by bloodline or mere conquest. Of course, murdering innocents by the thousands is a good way to get people to conspire against you as well, so it's kind of dumb.

>So let them hate her, let them fear her

For the nth time, killing off the army and navy already did that. All she inspired by targeting peasants was resentment and the seeds of insurrection.

She just got hit in the face with a reality check. She created this reality for herself years ago that Westeros is going to embrace her as the rightful ruler, love her unconditionally the minute she shows up and everything would be fine. It turned out not be the case and her entire "plan" fell apart.

Yes, waging war about autistic succession rights is truly the mark of someone who cares about the little people and isn't interested at all in her own power grabbing.

It was all a dream.

>Of course, murdering innocents by the thousands is a good way to get people to conspire against you as well, so it's kind of dumb.

That is literally all that I am saying, why are people taking it to mean that Danny is a goddamned goody two shoes? All that is being pointed out is that even if Danny's motives are what you guys are saying: She still would not go about it in the way the show depicts.

For being an invader who brought in an invading army and attacked Westeros and cause fucking chaos and death. And their hatred has been evidenced by how every fucking Westorosian man, woman, and child has treated her since she arrived.
>Why would she think people would love Jon in that case once they hear he's one too?
Because Jon Snow has actually earned their trust and admiration. He actually fought for them. The whole "let's fight the Night King" was his idea. And she doesn't think they love him, she knows they love him (and not her) based on how he's treated versus how she's treated. Again, this shit happens in the show. Episode 3 has everyone loving Jon's dick after the Battle of Winterfell while Dan sulks in the corner, crying, unloved and ignored like a BIIIIIIIIIIITCH.
Seriously, if you have any more questions, just watch the fucking show, because everything I've said in this thread has been in the fucking show.

>love her unconditionally the minute she shows up and everything would be fine.

Already debunked:

See

from the wiki page
>Beginning in 742, Eurasia entered a 13-year period of major political turmoil, with the regional empires generally suffering "a major rebellion, revolution, or dynastic change."[1] In this year the Türk dynasty of the eastern Eurasian Steppe was overthrown and then replaced by Sogdian-influenced Uighur rulers.[1] This was apparently the first of several revolutionary events either led by or intimately connected with the merchants and tradespeople involved with the international commerce often referred to as the Silk Road.[2] In 747, the Abbasids began their rebellion against the Umayyad Caliphate in Merv, Khurasan, resulting in the proclamation of a new Abbasid Caliph in about 750.[3] This rebellion also seems to have been organized by merchants and persons identifying themselves as merchants.[3]
(((hmm)))

But that doesn't debunk what either of them said.

I'm not saying that. I'm saying that the Iron Throne is the thing she wanted more than anything else in the world, and she saw it slipping away, and that changed the equation for her. She was good when it was convenient and could be done without great risk, but she is the same evil bitch Cersei was when the chips were down.

When the army is waiting outside you can hear explosions. These explosions are wildfire (which you see explosions of as she is devastating the city). She is clearing the way for her troops as she realises Cersei will blow up her own people to stop the advance of the army.
What she is doing is a heroic act that she doesn't want to do. It's not mad rage but rage at what Cersei has forced her to do.

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cringe

>For the nth time
Repeating yourself isn't the sign of making a good point, especially when people disagree with you each time you say whatever it is you have to say.

>she’s a feminist
>already insane
D&D are on our side bros...

>autistic succession rights
Those are the rules, which are typically agreed upon to prevent the kinds of war that descended on King's Landing. It's not like succession and caring about people are mutually exclusive concepts.

The comparison to Japan is a terrible analogy. If you had to sleep in the Capitol the day after you nuked millions of civilians then your calculus of how shitty you can be to the peasantry would be entirely different.

They said that Danny had in her head that Westeros would welcome her. She literally said several season ago that Viserys was stupid enough to believe that and she was not.

How is that different from having to live in Japan after your country got nuked twice? Explain why it's a terrible analogy because the analogy is perfectly apt.

The throne belonged to the heir of bobby b my man

> Because Jon Snow has actually earned their trust and admiration
that goes only for the northerners who saw all of the horrors, while southerners haven't experienced neither Jon's rule nor the threats they faced up there.
Your take is what is plastered in front of everyone's face to justify Dunken & Donuts' hackery & Hollywood writing, not the actual character arcs.

she can probably sleep in dragonstone?

And since saying it, she's become a different person entirely, who went around Essos being beloved and welcomed by everyone, and got used to being beloved by the masses and hailed as a savior. You're ignoring multiple seasons of character development, which is just dumb when discussing a character.

Repeating an obvious fact that the show-runners claim Danny learned quite some time ago and then kinda forgot for plot contrivance and then having people blindly ignore it means that your only need is to repeat it.

PSYCHOSOMATIC ADDICT INSANE

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>These explosions are wildfire (which you see explosions of as she is devastating the city). She is clearing the way for her troops as she realises Cersei will blow up her own people to stop the advance of the army.
>What she is doing is a heroic act that she doesn't want to do. It's not mad rage but rage at what Cersei has forced her to do.
Damn, good point. I was already onboard with Dany's actions simply because Cersei was abusing her kind nature and using innocent people in the process, but that point makes Dany's actions far more ethical especially if Cersei was just going to kill her own people anyway.

I am not that versed in the TV series - I've been watching it on/off, but in the books Dany herself falls into the same fallacy Viserys fell. She acknowledges that Westeros is not necessarily waiting for another Tag, but writes this narrative for her that "they will love me anyway, because I'm so awesome and totally not crazy." Doesn't help that everybody's been feeding her ego with how awesome she is. So she still thinks she's the messiah in the making, she just rationalizes it differently.

Yeah, perfectly appropriate.

Its like the guy that dropped the bombs landed next to Hiroshima and Nagasaki and then went on to rule that place with an iron fist...oh wait.

>while southerners
Are also fearful of her. She's told as much, and it's demonstrated by the fact that they ran to Cersei for protection from her. They weren't like the slaves of Meereen, who revolted. They didn't rebel against Cersei and had no plans or desire to. And again, not my "take," this is flat out said in the show you don't watch.

A character changing over time is not bad writing despite your tears.

>And since saying it, she's become a different person entirely, who went around Essos being beloved and welcomed by everyone, and got used to being beloved by the masses and hailed as a savior.

Yes, enjoying the adulation of the populace and working to constantly be their keeper. Its almost as if that new person burning the populace alive once she won would be a massive ass-pull.

>You're ignoring multiple seasons of character development, which is just dumb when discussing a character.

Your cited character development actively works against your terrible reasoning. I'm not ignoring it I am citing it and the character development before it. Its almost as though what I am citing has a clear progression and S08E05 threw all of that out of the window.

>next episode she explains that she's sociopathic
did you forget the entirety of her upbringing being constantly told she's the world's savior who's destined to sit on a throne that controls 7 kingdoms

are normies this fucking stupid?

>Its like the guy that dropped the bombs landed next to Hiroshima and Nagasaki and then went on to rule that place with an iron fist...oh wait.
What am I waiting for? For you to stop pretending like the US doesn't have troops stationed in Japan, doesn't shape their policies, doesn't have good relations with them? I mean, I'd be waiting forever if I'm going to wait for you to stop being fucking stupid. I don't have the time, friend.

>Your cited character development actively works against your terrible reasoning.
How so? You can't just say something like this and hope it's true, especially when it isn't.

Are you illiterate? Your analogy is inherently flawed. Oh great there are random US troops stationed in Japan. Did the president of the US personally drop the bombs and then set up his seat of power on top of the ashes? No? Then its not the same thing. If you want a modern example that is even remotely close to being appropriate then try Syria. Where guess what? People revolted.

Because you had to actively ignore the previous character development to reach it.

Get over it roastie. Your favorite character didn't get the Disney ending you wanted, who gives a fuck. Why make another fucking Gay of Thrones thread just to regurgitate the same bullshit all the other normies are whining about. Are you gonna kill yourself next week after John shivs Danny and fucks her up the asshole with Longclaw? After fat fuck finishes the books in 20 years you'll get your "slow burn". Don't tell me you actually expected the show to successfully build this heel turn up in only 6 episodes.

Jon kills her in finale episode.

WOW WHAT AN U EXPECTED TURNCOR EVENTS FOR A DINALE BEST SHOW EVERRR

>Did the president of the US personally drop the bombs and then set up his seat of power on top of the ashes?
Yes. Read a history book.

Assad did nothing wrong.

>so she destroys it to free herself and in turn build her own legacy.
Too bad thanks to murdering the civvies she's not going to live long enough to build that legacy.

Dany burned Highgarden rulers, who were in open rebellion against Cersei, do you really think defecting to Dany's side would have been a salvation for them?
> not my "take," this is flat out said in the show
and it's complete hackery that NPCs gubble without questioning.

In a feudal setting murdering peasants really gives you fuck all. The keys to your power are the aristocrats, and those are more likely to interpret this as instability and madness than anything else. Subordinates who don't feel secure with you in power are likely to seek your removal. The peasants will now see her as a demon.

Objectively the best move would've been perhaps razing the red keep to kill cersei, but not burning the random civilians in the streets. Collateral damage is fine but she went out of her way to kill hundreds of thousands.

>Only true fans know.

tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Fridge/GameOfThronesS8E5TheBells

What did I ignore? I flat out said what happened to the character over multiple seasons that led her to believe what she believes. Meanwhile you ignore all of that and keep quoting something she said ages ago as if that's a win when it isn't, it's just you refusing to accept why a character did what she did.

>Its almost as if that new person burning the populace alive once she won would be a massive ass-pull.
No it's not. It's just people she roasted weren't particularly eager to adulate her which she resented. She always was petty with a very black and white worldview.

>If you want a modern example that is even remotely close to being appropriate then try Syria. Where guess what? People revolted
imagine believing this

>In a feudal setting murdering peasants really gives you fuck all.
It makes people fear you when you show you're willing to murder everyone, including the peasants. Had she just killed some peasant, you might be right, but killing everyone and burning an entire city to the ground is something to fear, especially in medieval times where you can't do that with the push of a button.

You ignored Danny coming to the realization that Westeros would not immediately love her and so she had to be sufficiently prepared for the uphill battle. Which she outright says a number of times even through the entirety of her Slavers Bay arc.

But yeah, she enjoyed adulation. Totally undoes that character development. Because you fucking say so.

Yep, the type of black and white world-view that would make it clear that burning innocents is a stupid thing to do and actively inhibits your goals.

Not like she just learned that with the Tarlys and Sam's reaction to her burning themright?

It does make sense u faggot. Go fuck your newborn khaleesi named child and stfu

I didn't and haven't. I flat out said she said that, then went on to say that things happened to her since she said that. Meanwhile, your argument requires one to recognize her saying that and only that while ignoring every other bit of character development that happened after her saying that. That's why the argument you've made is poor. It only works when you ignore the facts. For anyone who actually watched the show, they know what's happened to the character and where she's gone and why she's been led to where she currently is.

Her mission from the beginning was revenge. Throughout her entire arc she's shown herself to be a petty brat with power that exceeds her responsibility.

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How?
When did her character turned from compassionate commoners & poor liberator to power obsessive tyrant? Most of the people in south don't even give a jackshit about Jon, let alone would care about his "claim" to the throne.

No it doesn't, retard. The people who matter - aristocrats - can see that she is able to BTFO them easily. The fleet and walls were enough for that. But then she went and murdered a million neutral tax payers and razed her own prospective capital to the ground.

It does raise fear, but not the kind of fear that inspires obedience. It's the kind of fear that makes you feel like you have been cornered and have to act. If Kings Landing were a city state like Braavos and the citizenry were in some way active participants in politics, it might make more sense. If she'd taken the city after an arduous siege, maybe. If it was an important symbol of some rival power, perhaps. But she burned the city to the ground after taking it without breaking a sweat. The city that had been founded by her ancestor as a symbol of her dynasty's power. The biggest economic center of the realm by a long shot. She did it with nothing to gain.

Fucking retards like you cannot into political nuance if your life depended on it. Instead of replying to this post, spend 5 minutes thinking about it instead.

She's tried to dress it up about her "freeing people" but yes, revenge is a big motivation, she's said multiple times that she wants to get back at the people who dethroned and exiled her and wanted her dead as a baby.

The fuck? No user, not true at all. She is literally called the Stormborn because she was born in Dragonstone during a storm. Anyways, it's retarded that she remembered something that happened to her as a baby and went mad for it.

>It only works when you ignore the facts.

Are you daft? She actively restates the need to be prepared for the difficult path to the Throne again and again during Slaver's Bay. Multiple people tell her to risk a rushed run to Westeros and she consistently refuses on the basis that she will not be accepted with open arms.

I get that you are stupid but being deaf, and blind as well does not make your argument for this hackery any stronger.

sure, that would explain her action on the aristocrats who opposed her, but not the massacre of commoners that she so much claimed to care about.

>No it doesn't, retard.
Yes, it does. Calling me a retard doesn't change the fact that people are going to be afraid of a woman who can destroy an entire fucking city and has shown she is willing to do so. That's scary as fuck, especially in an age where that flat out should not be possible. Even if they don't want to obey, they still will because the alternative is death. That's the whole point. She knew they'd never love her and want to obey, so she's giving them an ultimatum: follow me or burn.

There are contexts where targeting civilians makes political sense. This is not one of them.

Not him, but I guess I blame the TV series for using shotcuts. In the books she SAYS those things, but still THINKS she's going to be an exception to the rule, because so far she was being handed easy victory after easy victory on a silver platter. Again, she has a gargantuan ego and a messiah complex. It was evident from the start that she's going to fuck it up in the end.

Fir me since season 1 but for normies since season 7

>point out things that happened in the show
>"are you daft"
Great reply. Definitely worth posting. Keep up the great work.

She never cared about commoners half as much as she cared about her own power and glory

>What she did makes no sense.

she ain't mad, just broken and going ape shit.
It has to happen and she is not done yet
she will roast winterfell
maybe even kill sansa
it has to happen
to justify jon's decision to kill her
jon needs to kill her to fulfill the prophesy
she is nissa nissa

The long night has not happened yet.
the real war for the dawn will be won by the prince who was promised.

Jon is lightbringer

Rhaegar was the first attempted forging, he broke in water.
Young Aegon was the second who broke by the Lion
Jon is the third

>Not him, but I guess I blame the TV series for using shotcuts.

Again, this is |literally| all that is being said by the fans. If you want to do something with a character you have to set it up and earn it. I have no problem with Danny going mad and can't wait to see how GRRM develops it over time. But doing it with an ass-pull does not good writing make.

Based

>set something up over seven seasons
>"Why didn't they set this up?"

>Points out the things that the idiot points out and the additional points that he is either avoiding due to stupidity or trying to force his bullshit argument

Yeah, I am fine doing that. Seems important to cite the character's entire development rather than cherry pick; but you just keep on fucking that chicken though. Seems to be working out well.

>She was just feeling very powerful and vengeful and upset that people were not throwing themselves at her feet for liberating them. No really difficult to understand why she went full powertrip
Huh. Sounds an awful lot like Thanos. Yet one is hated and one is beloved.

I wonder why that is?

I'm an idiot for pointing out character development in a discussion about a character, yes, that's how you win this argument. Go for it, champ! You got this one in the bag!

>200 IQ: brain hmmm, Danny being able to kill all the boats and destroy all fortifications made to kill dragons by herself is really stupid and not a good plan. Her going full retard was expected and was waiting for it to happen.

>70 IQ brainlettes : WHY SHE EVIL FOR NO REASON! MY PERFECT QUEEN RUINED! NO WHY SHIT DUNKIN AND DONUT WRITERS RUINED SHOW!!!

All too funny. I still love the retards mad at Arya killing the night King.

>When did her character turned from compassionate commoners & poor liberator to power obsessive tyrant?
She was always like this. She was compassionate when it was easy, but not when her ascension to the Iron Throne was on the line.

Please cite where it is setup that Danny specifically targets civilians over her actual enemies. We'll wait.

Jesus christ moron, she burned the fucking iron fleet and broke the city's walls in minutes. No army in the realm will oppose her. Further violence was simply not required to achieve her goal. The fact that she then turns around and slaughters the civilians just cements her as irrational and unpredictable. You do not want your subordinates to think you are unpredictable. Unpredictability breeds paranoia and panic. History and game theory both show that the key to successful rule is consistency. If your vassals cannot be sure they won't get up and murdered for no reason they cannot bet their future on you.

Mad tyrants usually get toppled pretty fast. Most successful autocrats have been level headed and predictable.

You don't need to wait. It's already been said in this thread by other anons and myself. Scroll up.

What actual enemies? She's been fucking around in the middle east where the only enemies she had were people who didn't give a rats ass for her until she invaded their homes.

You're an idiot for purposefully ignoring the character development before and during the development you are citing. But as its clear you have no intention of intellectual honesty about it I'd venture you aren't ever going to.

Just because you were waiting for it to happen because of metadata doesn't mean it makes sense in the context of the narrative. It was a politically stupid action that will almost certainly directly get her killed next episode.

This. finally even fucking normies realize got is trash but their justification is still 10 iq my favorite character cant be evil :(

>dany burns down the army and navy and walls
>"i don't want to mess with her"
>dany also burns down peasants and city
>"this is someone i want to mess with now suddenly"
That doesn't make sense. If I knew someone was a psychopath who killed people, I would not want to mess with them, especially if I thought that psycho could easily murder me and nobody could stop them or help me.

She effortlessly destroyed entire armies, fleets and the city's defences. That's more than enough to make everyone fear and respect her. They all surrendered. Killing everyone and razing the city she was supposed to rule over is fucking retarded, has no strategic value and goes against whatever moral values it was established she had throughout the series. It's stupid, stop trying to defend it.

>A Dream of Spring
>it actually was a dream
HOLY SHIT MARTIN IS A GENIUS

As stated before, there are degrees of fear. If you position a person into a fear where they believe that you can burn them to death for any reason whatsoever then there comes a point where they stop trying to please you and actively start plotting the best way to murder you in your sleep so that their children don't have to suffer under your genocidal yoke.

She had to instill greater fear than that of a quick conquest, because Jon is the rightful heir and that secret is out. She showed she will be the queen by might and ruthlessness.

You keep claiming I'm ignoring character development when that's what you've done when you ignored the massive ego Dan grew while conquering Essos through love, only to move back to Westeros to find people won't instantly love her and don't give a fuck about her bullshit titles and will never love her and will only bow to her out of fear. If you want to have an actual discussion about this show, try watching the show, because throwing untrue and unbacked claims at me that are only true of you isn't really going to fly, smart guy. So do you have something to say that matters or am I done with you?

You're a normie, you just don't have any friends.

>>dany burns down the army and navy and walls
>>"i don't want to mess with her"
>>dany also burns down peasants and city

And this is exactly what makes zero fucking sense.

Yeah, I'm not going to want to fuck with the woman who has a dragon that can burn down a city if I'm some peasant with a stick. Maybe if I were a Jon Snow or an Arya, and I had a measure of plot armor to me, but not as a peasant, no.

Having jon shank her ass is going make twitter implode isn't it.

Is the bar video up yet?

It makes sense when the goal is "inspire fear," which was her stated goal.

IMO civilian population in KL were her enemies at this point. She wanted their adulation and they told her to fuck off and embraced Jon instead. In her mind, she came to them as a saviour on a white horse and they shunned her. Now she's resentful. She's not some noble hero that saves people from slavery. She is and always was a petty, spoiled brat with a god complex that throws a tantrum when people refuse to acknowledge her as a saviour. She would probably do the same shit to people of Essos if they didn't immediately fall to her feet.

>because throwing untrue and unbacked claims

>Literally something that the character said and repeated multiple times in the Slaver's Bay arc

Cool.

What more evidence do you fucking need brainlette? She's been unhinged for seasons. There is less reasons for people going ape shit than all the shit she went through. Hell I thought she was going to go ape shit SOONER, AND IT WOULD MAKE EVEN MORE SENSE. I was half expecting her to kill Jon already or think about doing it. She has so many fucking reasons to go ape shit.

So sorry your perfect queen went though every character development that perfectly led her to this point and you being a moron.

In other words, you have nothing of value to say. Okay, bye.

>No ruler with substantial military might has even been assassinated when they pushed their populace too far

See: All of recorded human history

That also shows it's a tactic people have used in the past, and thus isn't outlandish for a character like Dan the Man to try.

>Conquers all of the middle east
>Goes to westeros
>Finds out that she did it all for nothing cause some random fuck boi has a better claim
>Realises she wasted her time and people close to her died for nothing cause she wont even sit on the throne

And thats what happened in this moment

"people are scared of me but I have to make them MORE SCARED, I'll just randomly start butchering them and destroy the very thing I wanted to claim"

Yeah, it would make sense if this was a fanfiction written by a 12-year-old

bet she got a high pH pussy

>What more evidence do you fucking need brainlette?
That user doesn't need evidence. He just wants to cry and bitch because YAS QUEEN SLAY took the slaying a bit too far, and now she's going to get cancelled over it. I say let the faggots cry, it's all they ever fucking do.

Unburnt? Why, I am the most burning woman ever to rise up!
You burn one child, Stannis, but I have burned ten thousand. From Qarth to Winterfell, when children see my dragons, they pray.
Damn, she got fat

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She wanted the throne, not the people

So this is all going to happen in one episode?

Yes, she wants them to be absolutely terrified of her and prove she's capable of anything after Queen Cersei thought she could use Daenerys's mercy against her. She proved she does not give a fuck and you should be scared of that because she has a dragon and will burn down your entire city if you cross her.

Yep. The only way she could be convinced to help Jon Snow fight the Night King is by having Jon bow to her. She was more than willing to let Westeros die if she wasn't going to be queen of it.

You're talking as if the reason Hiroshima and Nagasaki were bombed was because of their civilians. Those two cities were bombed because of their military importance.

Dany strategically burned all military targets and then after chose to burn the civilians even tho she had no reason to.

That would add up if she didn't lament the sin of tyranny right before trying out one of its most foolish follies.

You realize that "wanting the throne" doesn't mean just sitting on the pointy chair (which she probably also destroyed already), right?

Not random and yes, showing her full might and ruthlessness is a better angle than trying to be goody two shoes and then having to deal with all the "you're not the real queen, Jon Snow is the rightful heir!" talk after. Who's going to say that shit to her now?

I love how no one seems to notice the shitty writing until their favorite character gets shafted. Then all of a sudden they have been critically analyzing the show all along.

Except Hiroshima and Nagasaki weren't the top two military targets. There were better military targets that would have resulted in less civilian deaths. Civilian casualties were one of the reasons why Hiroshima and Nagasaki were chosen. They wanted civilians to die, and they got what they wanted, and guess what, it worked.

The funny part is that the US actually planned for more militarily important targets initially with less civilian casualties but weather forced them to go for a more populated area.

Yet more failings of the Danny burning KL = Nuking Japan analogy

Westeros people are foreigners to her, foreigners are easily considered the enemy, especially in medieval societies.

>That doesn't make sense.
Yes it does
>if I knew someone was a psychopath
You couldn't count on them being fair to you.

People are fine with cruelty so long as they believe they can avoid it by following your rules. But when you go out of your way attacking those who haven't done anything to deserve it you cement the possibility of the same happening to them in everyone's mind. They will always be looking for someone better.

In order for fear to work as a tool of maintaining power it needs to be conditional fear. X will happen if you do Y. The moment it becomes unconditional fear, that X might happen to you even if you don't do Y, you become the enemy. Even if you're an enemy too strong to confront directly, you are still an ever present threat. So long as you can keep ahead of every plot against you and use brute force to maintain your hold on power it can work, but it rarely does - because every spark of dissent not immedietely suppressed snowballs into a forest fire. Very few tyrants are able to exert absolute power for very long, certainly not in feudal societies where the monarch's ability to directly exert authority is limited.

At the end of the day you're still making this retarded point even though you know fully well that this exact reason is why Jon is probably going to kill her next episode. And tendencies like this were the exact reason Varys betrayed her.

Literally every person will whisper it who doesn't want to be burned to death for living their life.

Why? It perfectly fits her character. She's blind to her own mistakes. It's tyranny when somebody else does it. But her? Nah, she convinced herself she's perfect - she can't be a tyrant.

>burns down one city
>Hurr she's mad

I hate this writing. Burning down a city is a pretty normal thing to do during a war.

Look at north people, they burned and raped all day long and are now seen as good people.

She could have done it by forcing citizens one by one to accept her or burn on the spot.

Instead she indiscriminately kills. Why would anyone follow her out of "fear" when her actions show that the chance of you burning is the same regardless of whether you accept her or reject her as a queen?

The fact that I have to explain this really fucking baffles me.

Except, in her mind, the cost of her getting the throne and securing her rule is worth the price of a few peasant deaths. She says something to this tune, something like "it's worth killing them all to save countless future generations from tyranny" although I'm paraphrasing. If reducing King's Landing to ashes secures her rules, and she believes it will, she believes ruling through fear is viable and will work when she can't rule through love, then she's willing to do that because she believes she's righteous and the one who will free everyone of tyranny.

Does she even pay her armies in anything?
>wow! I'm finally free
>time to fight in some foreign land like a slave

Whisper yes. But the goody two shoes angle requires her to listen to them and give them some kind of answer, or eventually start killing people for bringing it up.

Still, this would only make sense if Dany burned a relatively small location.

She destroyed the capital and key city of all of Westeros. It's the same reason why they didn't nuke Tokyo.

>You couldn't count on them being fair to you.
So? Does it matter if I think they'll be fair to me or not when I'm unwilling to do anything about them out of absolute fear? No, it doesn't. It doesn't matter if they hate her, as long as they're too scared to stop her, she'll sit on the throne.

Targeting civilians makes a lot more sense in a total war between nation states than it does in a feudal war of succession.

Even then, show me a case of the US military massacring Japanese civilians after the surrender. Guess what, it didn't happen. You know why it didn't? Because if they showed the Japs that even surrender won't save them, the Japs would have no reason not to fight to the occupation forces to the death.

>She could have done it by forcing citizens one by one to accept her or burn on the spot.
She could have done multiple different things, but she took an action that makes sense in her head that she has justified and believes in even if it "baffles" you and you disagree with it (and other characters in the show also disagree with her burning down innocent people).

Yea also not like the writers intended it but she's basically been spoiled by everyone in the world until just now. I think the only thing she actually did herself is bang Drogo a different way than he was used to. She's had her inexplicably faithful soldiers and dragons to get everything for her. Now things are getting harder for her, so she throws a tantrum.

You can't police a city with artillery and a dragon isn't going to stop someone poisoning her at celebration or shooting her with a crossbow while she's taking a shit. Fear doesn't stop assassinations when someone has nothing left to lose, it only provokes it.

>Still, this would only make sense if Dany burned a relatively small location.
King's Landing is a relatively small area in comparison to Westeros. She didn't burn down the entirety of Westeros. Hell, she did less than the US because the US bombed two cities whereas she only "bombed" one.
You're shifting goalposts and demanding I prove things I haven't claimed. I'm not interested in playing those games with you. Try another user.

A less retarded way would be to instill a tyrannical reign and dealing out punishments instead of just indiscriminately wiping out her own capital. That's the kind of anime bullshit where you cut off your own arm before the fight to show how DAMAGED you are. Then again dany is retarded.

She never read Machiavelli then. It's best to be loved and respected. If you can't afford it, go for feared and respected. The dumbest thing you can do it to be feared and hated. And at this moment, everybody fears and hates Daenerys. They'll be bloodshed and one uprising after another, until she's dethroned or kills 90% of Westeros.

Are you fucking moronic? They didn't even depose the Emperor because they knew the people would revolt.

>I'm unwilling to do anything about them out of absolute fear?
This only works if you are able to be everywhere at once and instantly quash any spark of dissent. In 99% of the cases this doesn't happen. What actually tends to happen to tyrants is that somebody manages to survive long enough to motivate everybody else to switch sides. If your subjects cannot live in peace under you there is always the fear of your unpredictability to counter the fear of your retaliation. These are two conflicting impulses, they combine destructively.

What will 99% happen in GoT now is that Jon is going to stab her. For this exact reason.

King's Landing is the largest city in Westeros...

The thing is she had no love to lose with these people. There's already powerful people like Sansa who want her gone, and she just had Varys conspiring against her, which took place before the battle. Assassination was already going to be a problem for her.

It actually makes perfect sense.This season has been pretty much hammering home that everything she believed was a lie. She believed she had the rightful claim to the the throne, it ended up being Jon. She believed the people would of Westeros would welcome her as a liberator, instead they fear her as an invader. She believed she could easily conquer the seven kingdoms with three dragons, two of them end up dead. She realized that if she continue with the "rightful heir/liberator" approach, she would NEVER sit on the Iron Throne. People would find out about Jon and get behind him. No one trusts her, no one wants her to be their queen. If she accepted Cersei's surrender, people would undermine her authority at every turn. But if she went full genocidal maniac, she could rule the seven kingdoms through fear. No one would dare plot against her after realizing what she's capable of. Even if they want Jon to rule, they would never question a murderous tyrant out of fear.

>mock D&D's shit writing for several seasons
>suddenly praise D&D's shit writing because it pisses off a handful of feminists on the internet
why is Yea Forums so easily manipulated?

Everybody in King's Landing does, but Westeros is much larger than that. Do those people far away from the capital hate her when she starts being benevolent again, where it's easy for her to do so?

Yep. The character has made a mistake and gone too far, and will be killed by Jon Snow for the mistake as per the spoilers.

>No one would dare plot against her after realizing what she's capable of.
They will. Every minute she's on the throne. People of Westeros deposed and kiled her father, deposed Joeffrey, they will do the same to her the minute she shows a sign of weakness. She's a bad guy and an usurper in their mind - and Jon, a rightful heir is right there. They hate her guts now.

Most of it's been bad, but this particular episode mostly makes sense and definitely wasn't the fan service ending I was expecting. They had to butcher the white walker storyline to get here though.

She already had their fear from almost effortlessly wiping out the Lannister forces and iron fleet, everything else is just mop up duty.

Wiping out civilians who can't do shit gets her nothing. D&D just want to make her an irredeemable madwoman so Jon has no excuse but to kill her next episode. They even tried to make Cersei seem reasonable when previously she's blown up the Sept, the Septon, the Sparrows, Margaery who the peasants loved and had a nun raped. they're hacks

The problem is not that it made no sense, because it kinda did like anons mentioned already in this thread.

Problem was that with that shitty writing, rushed scenes, illogical shortucts etc, it was not convincing.

Red wedding might looked the same if it were shot and written by D and D

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read the books and you will understand

Not him but it definitely does weed out how many people will plot against her since they've now realized she's capable of anything. I mean, if you go at her, you better succeed, because if you don't, she's going to not only murder you, but the entire town you grew up in.

She won't even make it that far because she will be killed by those terrified of her right then and right there.

She's an invading Tag, with a horrible PR. And I guess people still remember the rule of her dynasty. Also, I don't think you can recover from:"I've burned your ancient capitol to the ground, but that was just a flight of fancy, I am not like my father, I am a good, benevoldnt lass, pinky swear. Love me

She'll be killed by Jon, who isn't scared of her, so no.

Jon is the only one who may or may not do that in the one episode left. Did people murder Robert the day after he conquered the city?

I always got the impression that her altruism can from a very selfish standpoint.

She was always very smug when playing the benevolent ruler card, however she was never really giving anything away of much importance. Some livestock to a farmer that Drogon had fucked up, a castle on Gendry that she would barely visit post-war.

She could never work out a split rule with Jon, or accept that she is not in control and take a backseat for the sake of stability.

Take the real-world analogue of virtue signalling...A middle-class girl can post about "open borders and diversity" because she has little to loose. The "Diversity" is going to be moved to the poor neighborhoods, not hers, so she looses little as an individual, but gains social praise from her peers. However, woe betide anyone who votes for a politician/policies that will make her 6 months travelling next year incrementally more difficult to attain.

She no longer wants their love because she knows she'll never get it. She just wants them to be piss scared of her. Mission accomplished.

>I hope this gets explained

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>IMO civilian population in KL were her enemies at this point. She wanted their adulation and they told her to fuck off and embraced Jon instead.
the fuck are you talking about?

>. No one would dare plot against her after realizing what she's capable of.
That's not how this works. If people are afraid of you unconditionally they want you gone. Terror is an impulse that DRIVES dissent, not suppresses it. Respect is the kind of conditional fear that suppresses dissent.

If your subjects are terrified of you, any sign of weakness will invite attack, because any sign of weakness is a source of hope.

Why do you keep replying to the OP like we can't see the posters count, faggot?

this but unironically

People understand war and fear conquerors. Of course she's created bad blood that will never go away, but it's not as though all of Westeros will rally in opposition the next day. The other kingdoms may grow to tolerate her if she does actually prove to be benevolent when it suits her.

He is scared of her, retard. Because she kills innocent people.
Robert wasn't a terror inspiring tyrant.

You have to differentiate between the ever present fear that drives dissent and the conditional fear that suppresses dissent.

She should be the next Gomez Addams.

>If people are afraid of you unconditionally they want you gone.
Wanting someone gone is different from being willing to get them out. They would have wanted her gone regardless because they don't like her and actually hate her. Before, they might have fucked with her because her mercy would have been a sign weakness. Now, not so much.

Are you serious with this, or just joking?
1. Burned woman who murdered her lover and child.
2. The wizards who were trying to take her children from her.
3. Didn't burn astapor, killed the slavers and ordered the unsullied to harm no civilians.
4. Crucified slavers
5. SLAVERS
6. Burned the men about to rape her....
7. Yes burned an war wagon with war supplies meant to be used against her.

8. CHILDREN. Hmm.....which one is drastically different?

It would have been easier without the massacre.

That's not the kind of fear that makes people not plot against you.

Being afraid that you'll get killed/punished if you don't submit forces you to submit.

Being afraid that you'll randomly get killed/punished regardless of whether you submit or not forces you to fight back.

This is the message she sent when she started randomly killing civilians.

>He is scared of her, retard.
There's a difference between being afraid of her, and being afraid of what her rule means for the people. If he's truly afraid of her, he won't try anything. But he's not afraid of her. Instead, he's afraid of how poorly she'll rule, which is why he'll kill her. Try thinking before posting next time.

Logic doesn't matter anymore because this has turned into yet another culture war thing on Yea Forums.

Aerys was old and crazy and ultimately he only died because of his own retarded orders telling Jaime to kill Tywin. He still had powerful allies willing to die for him and he probably would have survived a bit longer if he didn't underestimate Jaime's loyalty to his family. And Joffrey was a coward that didn't really inspire real fear in anyone. Joffrey can order Lannister men to massacre a village, Daenerys with her dragon can massacre a village personally. You end up with the same number of people dead, but Daenerys would be much for terrifying as a human being.

More like follow me and then assassinate me at the first opportunity or burn whenever she has another fit. She's just a human, even if she has the greatest military asset on the planet.

These. Especially the point about foreshadowing.

You can make a justifiable case for why it makes sense for Dany's character to go in this direction (as many people are trying to do), but the fact remains that D&D simply didn't do the necessary development to set it up.

It would have been more believable if Cersei had put up more of a fight, Dany gets carried away burning soldiers in the heat of the moment, and the civilians are collateral damage. But no, the city is about to surrender and she just flips her shit and decides to burn a bunch of innocent civilians.

I'm pretty sure that at some point, probably only in the last season or two, D&D decided that they wanted Jon to end up on the iron throne, and the only way they could think of to do that is to destroy Dany's character and make her so irredeemable that Jon can justifiably betray her. It's writing with the end goal in mind, rather than letting the story flow from the logic of how the characters would react to events.

>That's not the kind of fear that makes people not plot against you.
That's absolutely the kind of fear that makes people not want to attack people, when they know, if they do, you will do anything to destroy them, including murdering babies.

Logic stoped mattering once season 6 started. But don't forget to dab on libtards for /ourqueen/ and apologize to DD for being masterrusers.

>neckbeard autist tries to explain normal person psychology

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Yeah, she's unpredictable, she blew up her own capital because she had a bad day, she has a WMD Dragon and an army of psychopaths and she uses them when she feels like it, how much would it take for her to invade other kingdoms? I guess other kingdoms would tolerate her in the same way Western world tolerates North Korea.

Jon is going to fuck off north of the wall with Ghost and Tormund.

My first posting. 97 posters in a thread of ~270 replies.

Care to "Prove" this isn't my first post?

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>Wanting someone gone is different from being willing to get them out.
Yes, it's a signal that opposes signals discouraging you to fight. Willingness is just an intuitive term for the algebraic sum of signals for (+) and against (-) an action. If the "for" side wins out you take the action. If the other signals against it are stronger you won't be "willing" to get them out. But if the discouraging signals get suppressed the motivating signal will win out.

So long as the respect for Dany (conditional fear of what she will do if you rebel right now) is stronger than the terror (fear for your uncertain future under an unstable monarch) she can rule. But if anybody at any point sees an opportunity they will go for it.

Terror/hate is seperate and opposed to respect.

>but the fact remains that D&D simply didn't do the necessary development to set it up
Maybe if you're a blind danyfag who only wanted YAAAAS QUEEN SLAY bullshit and now can't come to terms that you got dabbed on epic style.

It's an arctypical story arc that people who come to power get corrupted by that power, and that they become the thing they hate the most. A story as old as time itself practically speaking,

Everything that she did was in pursuit for the throne that she thought she was the rightful heir to and so her actions were legitimate. But the moment she finds out that Jon is the rightful heir, she shows her true colours and instead of stepping aside to let him take his rightful place, she instead gets defensive and protective of her claim.

You also have to remember that she's descended from the mad king, an ancestory that's rife with inbreeding that lead to madness and something she displays with Jon (her brothers son) and goes through a very rapid period of losing everyone and everything she loves, several main characters, 2 dragons and the love of her life rejecting her.

The only difference is that she's portrayed in many ways as the pure blonde Aryan goddess from more or less day 1 so it's shocking to people but in hindsight given everything we know, shouldn't come as that much of a surprise.

Or the same way they tolerate America, because the fucked up shit we've done is why other countries don't want to mess with us in big ways like warfare. Of course, it's different in the real world now since total war is dead because of nukes.

Yes, she did. Not that danyfags would ever admitt to it.

>he hasn’t seen the leaks

It's not your first post. Your screenshot doesn't prove that it is.

To be frank, it wasn´t until season 2 that she wanted to burn everyone. Pic related

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>One is hot as fuck
>One is a woman
Take your pick

Ah yes, if people don't practice modern liberal values its okay to kill them. Very american thinking.

>other kingdoms
That's not how fucking Westeros works.

>defending slavers pedophiles and rapists
magatard detected

Until you prove it, you are full of shit

Anti-Slavery is a modern liberal value? Go back to /pol/ fag

Not him but that is how Westeros works. Remember what Our Boy Robby said? "SEVEN KINGDOMS. ONE KING."

yeah but considering his dna, not surprising

>"you have to prove a negative!"
That's not how it works at all. Burden of proof is on you, my friend.
And the fact you posted bullshit proof that proves nothing only shows that it wasn't your first post and that you were trying to trick people into thinking it was. Try better next time.

You now realise Arya got the Night King kill just because they wanted to calm down the SJWs

She was driven mad by the bad writing. That and Tyrion and sNO being utter retards that undermine her at every opportunity. It's their fault she winded up in this position and it's because of their sheer incompetence that they're partially responsible for the massacre.

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I know that it's cool for Americans to hate on their own country, but IMO America has more to offer Western world than just a nuke to the face. Like stable trade, military alliances and economy. And Arnold Schwarzenegger movies. That's why we tolerate your ass.
Daenerys just blew up her own capital. Her only "offer" to other kingdoms is "I have a nuke, and I'm going to use it. Fear me". That doesn't strike me as a strong long-term plan.

True, we need to colonize these dumb sandniggers and teach them civilization amirite my fellow leftist.

The nukes were a demonstration of a new weapon and the capability of the US to basically godmode japan if they didn't surrender. Everyone already knew how strong the dragons were and they already surrendered.

Cersei literally blew up the Vatican and killed many important lords and highborns.

Stannisfags have criticized his show arc as early as season 2. Pic VERY related.

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>1. Burned woman who murdered her lover and child.
After his actions caused her to be raped half a dozen times. She prevented him and his son from continuing to rape and pillage.
>2. The wizards who were trying to take her children from her.
Stop calling them her children, you sound like a crazy cat lady
>3. Didn't burn astapor, killed the slavers and ordered the unsullied to harm no civilians.
Did you miss her commanding Drogon to burn a bunch of people alive, and him strafing back and forth? You don’t have to completely fucking level a city to meet the criteria of having burned it.
>4. Crucified slavers
>5. SLAVERS
FIRE BAD. CRUCIFIXION BAD.
>6. Burned the men about to rape her....
No they weren’t you fucking liar, she was supposed to join the Dosh Khaleen.
>7. Yes burned an war wagon with war supplies meant to be used against her.
I think what you meant to say was food wagons with food supplies meant to be used by the people to not die when winter comes
>8. CHILDREN. Hmm.....which one is drastically different?
They all seem in line as actions of a schizophrenic sjw with a dragon

> Makes a claim
> Cannot prove claim
> "It is up to you to prove my claim correct or you are wrong"
> Being this brainlet

And how did this turn out for her in the end? She's dead under the rubble after the yet another rebellion against her finally succeeded.

No, all of Japan military places were bombed but not with atomic bombs.
Tokyo ended with more than 50% devastated.

That's what I meant. Original post acts like Dorne will suddenly be fearful of Daenerys once she takes the Iron Throne because she mind invade Dorne. If she takes the Iron Throne, that means Dorne is already legally under her domain.

>Everyone already knew how strong the dragons were and they already surrendered.
People regarded dragons as myths, and Cersei believed she could defeat them with some scorpions (that aren't really scorpions but that's what the show calls them) so no, the Battle of King's Landing or whatever they'll call it definitely was a demonstration of the power of even one dragon and the capability of Dan to basically godmode Westeros if they don't bend the knee.

They didn’t do the necessary development because they wanted it to be a twist, and there was already more than enough foreshadowing.
Any more and it would have been too obvious it was coming

You're the one lying and making the claim that that's your first post when it's not, and then refusing to actually prove it and instead trying to lie and offer fake proof. Either prove what you said is right, which you can't because it's not, or just stop embarrassing yourself.

Cersei didn't die because she blew them up. Nobody revolted against her because of that. If anything, it shows how willing the people of Westeros are to forgive a queen who blows up innocent people (because she definitely killed a lot of innocent people in the process).

Modern in the sense that slavery was first made illegal by the British a little over 200 years ago

You're the one who is claiming it wasn't.

You have zero proof for your claim.

Tell me how to prove myself and I will

>That's why we tolerate your ass
And because you can’t do anything about it?

That’s just bad writing

The way she acted had nothing to do with why she died. The kingdom was still fractured due to the War of the Five Kings when she took over. She 'lost' allies that she would have had if the War of the Five Kings never happened. It would have been a unified seven kingdoms vs Dany's invading army. Cersei's biggest downfall was staring the game with a huge setback of losing the other kingdoms as her allies.

>British
Fuck off with your lies you slimy anglo fuck.

>Tell me how to prove myself and I will
Record a video where you quote every single post in this thread (including the ones you made like the one I am replying to) and post it, and show the post where you do this so we can all see the (You)s and if you really didn't post before. That would prove what you had to say if what you were saying was true. However, you're a fucking liar and won't do it because it would prove you wrong and me right, so just fuck off.

And we'll have the Second Game of Thrones all over again. How many self-proclaimed "kings" we had in this conflict? Because every "subject" kingdom would want to overthrow Daenerys - an evil, invading tyrant with weak claim the minute she shows a sign of weakness - put their own on the throne. She's no better than Jofferey at this point. What they need is the ruler that would unite them, not scare them into submission with a dragon.

"Instead we'll take turns fucking you. And then we'll let our bloodriders fuck you. And if there is anything left of you, we'll give our horses a turn."

I'd say that is rape...

On it

She not only has a weak claim but Sansa, someone who doesn't want her to be queen and will actively oppose her, knows Jon Snow has the better claim. Reducing King's Landing to ash could make Sansa be unwilling to oppose Daenerys, since Sansa would fear that Daenerys would do the same to Winterfell if she doesn't bend the knee.

she burned only lannister man and tarley man who were loyal to the queen. and tarly was only loyal to cersei cause he was promised to be warden of the south after killing the tyrells

I'm not going to hold my breath, user.

>What they need is the ruler that would unite them
>not scare them into submission with a dragon.
Aegon literally did both. That's why the seven kingdoms were unified in the first place.

I can stop buying your shit. What are you going to do? Nuke me? America's not scary anymore and is not as important as Americans think.
It's just you catch more flies with honey - and America was always good at that.

>disliking game of thrones
Reddit is that way.

Aegon didn't butcher people who surrendered to him, retard. In fact, he spared anyone who laid down their sword.

And gave everyone who bended the knee titles and positions. Dany on the other hand just torches the smallfolk because she couldn't get the dick.

Sansa didn't bend her knee to Lannisters. And IMO they were more powerful than Daenerys, who is not an established ruler, has no contacts and allies, lost a bunch of her troops in the battle against the Night King and the only thing she has going for her is her pet dragon. And she already lost two during her stint in Westeros. She's a paper tiger that is not as threatening as she thinks she is.