For fucks sake , it's called descending into madness , not plummeting at the speed of light

It's only "shocking" because we've spent 8 seasons in KL and we see the effects from the ground perspective. If this was random Essos city no one would give a shit and would be all "le burn them all queen".

She’s been descending for a while but she’s always had her friends / advisors to snap her out of it whenever she considers doing something crazy. Now that they’re dead she has no one to check her ass. As shitty as this show is it makes this clear.

>best friends all dead
>hand is a retard
>rejected by lover who has a better claim
>2 of 3 dragon children dead
>human child dead
>everyone's trying to betray her
>nobody likes her

DUH MAEK NOT SENSE WHY SHE MAD

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In-universe explanations are not valid excuses for bad writing. A show or movie is more than a collection of events being described. How they are arranged and composed together and build up towards payoffs is just as important if not more. Kelly-C slaughtering innocents may have callbacks 8 seasons ago but it doesnt make it less retarded in the context of that episode the preceding ones.

MY SIDES

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Even if you disregard everything she's lost, the bells are enough to justify her actions. She's listened to Tyrion and every time it's backfired. So she finally snapped and did it her way. Then add the compounding trauma plus her genetic predisposition and it makes perfect sense

No. It would be completely out of character since she wouldn't stop yapping about "poor innocents", "muh slaves", "I won't be queen of ashes" ect. It's cool that she burned down the city, but fucking hell the build up was bad. Basically non existent. It's just piss poor writing on a good concept

This. Is. Acting.

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double entendre

She could’ve just ruled Essos and everything would’ve been perfectly fine

It was the bells dude. They were super threatening.

>hey audience dany is probably gonna go mad
>look at all this trauma she's going through
>psssst everyone hates her and trying to betray her wink wink
>look at the pissed off look on her face she's holding back rage hmmm what could that mean

>audience: wtf why is she rageing?

Are modern capeshit audiences just too dumb?

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Maybe a Mazoku cursed her. Happens all the time. Still, Dany's biggest mistake was just not embracing the fact that she was good at violence and conquering, not so much ruling.

If she wanted to change things, she shouldn't have modeled her government after the same institution she was trying to conquer. What, did she expect the Dothraki hordes to become noble houses? Lord Horse Cock of Struggle Snuggle probably wouldn't be able to rub shoulders with the Tarleys or Northerners.

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Not sure i get what you mean
Exactly this , she acts like she has nothing but there's an entire continent of people that love her

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Sherman fucks your shit up royally UNTIL you surrender, not AFTER.

Even the Romans with their crucifixitions would only do it when they said "Hey, give up or we will crucify your entire city", and the city being besieged said "Nah bring it fagot"

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Eh, they're probably all starving now that every major city she touches tends to lose all its infrastructure

SEVEN HELLS

Did it really backfire though. She went to the north first but it turned out it didn’t matter, she took Kings Landing anyway. She lost one of her dragons but got a whole realm. Then she wins the battle and gets the throne. Apparently Tyrion was right. She fucking won and then immediately, like after 1 second, threw it away.

She should have been the Shogun to someone like Varys who could take care of monetary things.

>implying those words aren't synonymous

She doesn't snap because of what Tyrion told her

She nuked the city because she knew they wouldn't love her and that only fear would give her obedience.

John rejecting her was far more to blame than Tyrion being a retard

The build up was bells ringing really loudly for five seconds lmao

She didn't get her clunge plowed by her fav manlet, she was sexually frustrated.

they would have liked her just fine.

Did you seriously just miss all the obvious foreshadowing with Tyrion?

Is anyone else reminded of how Euphemia was ordered to kill all the Japanese and how people say the scene is contrived to further the plot?
That’s what I’m reminded of.

Dide she was always borderline unhinged throughout the show, it was only her advisers keeping her in check.

She also wouldn't stop yapping about how the throne was her fucking birthright and how no one would stop her, fire and blood.

She has always been an entitled violent bitch, and this was the only way her arc would've worked out of Essos, specially when she brought the mongol horde as her crew.

It should've just been more gradual through these past 2 seasons rather than being from one episode from another. Just show her slowly but consistently becoming more unhinged instead of having random unhinged moments through the whole series, because people forget those.

In the books they don’t love her. They are super pissed at her.

That's totally different , killing the japanese is the single most retarded plotpoint in the history of literature

from hero to hero real quick?

>Hitler
>Not Hero

nah, she's a targ

>imagine justifying a leader's slaughter because "MUH ANGER"

>I can’t handle character development unless it’s laid out at an easy to follow, predictable pace

These are the consequences of a 6 episode final season:

>The Long Night/Winter is Coming meme solved in one fucking episode
>Dragon queen losing her marbles because of feels in one and a half episodes

If these clowns ever come out with a prequel show, don't even bother.

Better than what they had, plus she had a dragon and only needed to shore up some loyal princes and over the next 50 years of uninterrupted rule would mend the reputation of the Targaryen

did you miss all the parts of her feeling despondent at the people of the north treating her like a weirdo foreigner?

The parts where she clearly sees that he is a more desirable ruler than her?

Did you miss the part where she literally voices this to John and begs him not to tell anyone about his past so they will love her and not him?

Did you miss the part where him denying her affections basically breaks her mind and shows her there's no one left int he world that loves her?

How is this different? She’s destroying the capital that her ancestors built which had already surrendered. That’s also retarded and contrived.

Implying hitler isnt a heri
>lmao at ur life
>literally just twitches angrily
WOAH
so this is the power of women?

*sound of bells becomes louder*

>in one and a half episode
It’s been obvious since the tarley execution at the latest.

drakenguard was all kinds of crazy

would the people appreciate an army of savages and brownskins?

Because it’s an army, a well disciplined martial force that protects the peasantry from banditry and highwaymen, keeps the seas free of piracy and the roads secure.

People were fine with targs other than the mad king. And they don’t even know all the garbage shit about him we do.

better yet would khaleesei still have the support of these savages if she wasn't ruthless? the dothraki want to rape and all the unsullied want is blood

She crucified slave owners when they crucified children. She burned house Tarly since they wouldn't bend the knee. It was always about "breaking the wheel" and her own sense of morality towards the upper class. Wether you agree or not with her methods is another thing, but she never went ape shit and just burned innocent women and children for a laugh. It's obvious that the slow descent into madness is what Martin wanted, but the show writers is so fucking incompetent that they failed miserably to portray it

For people totally fine, they seemed to have no problem following a fat drunk of a king who took the throne by force via a civil war.

Being cruel isn’t the same as being insane. Dany’s actions were cruel and even evil but not insane.

When someone like Stanis kills an enemy lord who won't bend the knee it's based, but when she does it it's a sign of mental instability for reasons.

Now yes, burning men alive is a bit much but they die pretty much instantly and it's an easy method and an understandable calling card execution.

emelia clarke is a terrible actress. lacks nuance. for example, look at any clip of her saying "dracarus". a more experienced and talented actress would have been able to show the slow descent into madness, with little hints along the way. emelia's portrayal just makes her look like she's bipolar. sometimes she's gentle and then she goes full "angry cunt" mode.

Hence why she was never a fit leader. Everytime she didn't get her way, she has had a hissy fit

>It's just piss poor writing on a good concept
You twats clearly don't know what "poor writing" is, because everything you mentioned are more the issues of direction and execution, not writing.

they wanted big ratings and now it doesn't matter. GRRM's vision might have lost ratings if it was implemented sooner or "better". once you have the marks in the building, you can do whatever the fuck you want

I don’t think they have much say in the matter. Especially not with the Lannister’s propaganda machine rolling around backing Baratheon up.

that's called being a woman

>once you have the marks in the building, you can do whatever the fuck you want
based and Yea Forumspilled. they waited for the last minute for kelly c's heel turn for a reason. it's not like the finale won't draw monster viewership

Khaleesi li Britannia, kill them all!

All hail Stannis!
All hail Stannis!

In the show Stannis was a faggot and he got deserted and cut down accordingly.

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I just did.

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You must be a mouthbreathing mong if you think it was the bells. Her going mad was foreshadowed.

>It's obvious that the slow descent into madness is what Martin wanted, but the show writers is so fucking incompetent that they failed miserably to portray it

I agree with this, as I said in my post, it should've been more gradual.
But you can't deny that crucifying people, burning defeated enemies alive or the fact that her whole modus operandi has been "bend the knee or you burn" since the fucking start were all heading towards this.

Of course in Essos it was easier to accept her way because her enemies were slavers and Dothraki leaders, but you couldn't expect that in Westeros, as it's not so black and white, and since she was hell bent on the throne being hers and her way being the only way, this was the only possible outcome. She only wanted to break the wheel with her on top, she's a hypocrite.

I didn't see her burning women and children for a laugh, I saw her burning people who supported her enemy and instilling fear into their hearts so they wouldn't do it again, which is in line with what she has done before. This was her mentality and she said it out loud.

She became insane you nonce.

most actresses are shit, and were hired via casting couch whoring. the only actress i like is bridget regan.

Her actions aren’t insane in fact.

>Are modern capeshit audiences just too dumb?
Evidently

No I disagree. The problem I see here is people can't distinguish between being a ruthless leader and being a mass murderer. There is a fine line, but it's still there. If it wasn't, then this scene wouldn't have happened.

youtube.com/watch?v=2S3DJfho0UE

Cruelty and insanity often go together like bread and butter. As well, cruel habits, whether to yourself or others, is a very common symptom of tons of mental illnesses. :|

Don't be a fag. D&D had their incompetent noses in both writing, direction and execution. They should have started her descent into madness way earlier and built it gradually. A good place would have been during the boring Mereen plot. Show her become more and more ruthless due to frustration over the insurrection. Instead D&D used precious screen time on a pointless romance between a eunuch and a translator

Good writing is she torches all the people in the Red Keep to get to Cersei because all she cares about is seizing power at all costs now. Cersei gambled on the human shield working for her and that backfired on everyone.

Bad writing is she goes loony toons and burns the whole city to the ground because "muh final biggest budget season" and subtly doesn't get asses in the seats for the final episode.

how come everyone is raging about this instead of the extremely slow pace, the huge focus on the good guys becoming the bad guys meme and king's landing scenes looking like regular pics of modern day Syria? (not to forget the fucking horse)

HAHAHAHAH

>Good writing is she torches all the people in the Red Keep to get to Cersei
I agree, this would have been much more reasonable given such a small amount of time to build up her vengeance.

BURN THEM ALL

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Why couldn't they just wait for the books to be released and replace actors if needed?

HBOs writing is fucking atrocious

I seriously don't get how they could gradually build on this concept more

>approves of the brutal execution of his own brother by molten gold hat, watches without flinching
>crucified over 100 people regardless of innocence or guilt in regards to slave trade
>conspires to hide murder of child by her dragon
>murders countless Dothraki in a fiery yurt
>abandons Slaver's Bay
>murders the Tarleys
>allows Dothraki to pillage Westerosi countryside
>talks of nothing but DESERVING the iron throne because it is her birhright, it being hers and hers alone

The signs have always been there. This wasn't out of left field, they spent the past 8 seasons demonstrating again and again that Danyearious is a tyrant, and a mad one at that. The point is that it was packaged in a little attractive women, and as a result people did mental gymnastics of the Olympic sort to ignore the obvious; that she's bad news bears

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I wasn’t saying she was a mass murderer as of that scene. I’m saying her descent into madness was clear then. Back in her esos days she’d win favor through “benevolence”, but in that scene she demanded it with deadly force. And it’s not like they were slavers so she didn’t have that to justify it.

>implying
I would too if I were a virgin incel like her

This. My wife went all "omg but they are The good guys" when the barbeque started and I had to once again explain to her that there are no goos guys except in childrens stories.

>For fucks sake , it's called descending into madness , not plummeting at the speed of light.
Will the roasties ever stop seething?
>can't lead without male advisors telling her what to do
>gets rejected for sex, goes crazy
>make freeing king's landing all about her
>overly emotional
>virtue signals to others but inside a heartless cunt
>low IQ and controlled by feelings
Are D&D gods?

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She also freed slaves. This made her the goober’s YAAAS of choice

it's not like women don't snap out of fucking nowhere when shit doesn't go their way. Hell I got a friend that got mad because she wanted brocoli for the pizzas all my friends and me were making, she nearly put a knife through my foot because there wasn't fucking broccoli

Good point

>But you can't deny that crucifying people, burning defeated enemies alive or the fact that her whole modus operandi has been "bend the knee or you burn" since the fucking start were all heading towards this
I agree that burning the Tarly was over the top, but it is still a huge leap from that to burning down a couple hundred thousand citizens in a city that had already surrendered. They showed her being ruthless, but there is ruthless and there is kill everyone. She should have done some fucked up shit in Mereen to build up this insanity. That way we would know that she is willing to kill innocents and Jon would still follow her since he wouldn't know about Mereen

>t. salty faggot
learn to bend the knee shithead

>from hero to hero
Ftfy

>approves of the brutal execution of his own brother by molten gold hat, watches without flinching

Man who sold her to a barbarian lord as a sex slave and was a giant faggot

>crucified over 100 people regardless of innocence or guilt in regards to slave trade

Pretty sure they were the prominent slave owners and only did to them what she saw they did to their own people on her way to the city

>conspires to hide murder of child by her dragon

Views the dragons as her actual children.

>murders countless Dothraki in a fiery yurt

Defeats rivals for power to take over their resources

>abandons Slaver's Bay

Ruling there was never her end goal

>murders the Tarleys

Executes rival lords who refused to bend the knee

>allows Dothraki to pillage Westerosi countryside

When did this happen?

>talks of nothing but DESERVING the iron throne because it is her birhright, it being hers and hers alone

It's what she's been told all her life and she's a woman. Demanding what they want from others is what they do.

She's shown signs that she's not above "cruelty" and poetic justice to get what she wants but there's a big difference between going right for Cersei and killing anyone in the way and literally burning the whole city to the ground.

I got hard when she started roasting those degenerate rats.

>t. teenie weeinie

Anyone here actually excited for book Dany to snap?

She already has evidence of schizophrenia (the grass speaking with her, her paranoid monologues, her delusions about the world) built into the book which was not displayed very well in the show.

I'm really looking forward to seeing how she loses it and hope GRRM writes it from her perspective.

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Attack on Titan legit did it better.

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There is nothing wrong with this scene. What is there to complain about?

Based kalisi

Do you Danyfags have alzheimer's or something

youtube.com/watch?v=sUQS5XOlvD4

its literally foreshadowed that geass can go out of control lelouch letting out a freudian slip at the same time may be coincidence but far from the most unimaginable

The truth is Dany was mad all along, she just stopped holding back.

She is a female after all... And who’s to say her crazy ass doesn’t have some undiagnosed bipolar disorder that runs in their family.

So hero to hero?

>pssh nothin personal kids

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>Harren the Red
>Faith Militant uprising
>Maegor the Cruel
>Dance of Dragons
>Prolonged Dornish resistance
>Four Blackfyre Rebellions
>Ninepenny Kings
>Robert's Rebellion
>Maester's conspiracy to kill dragons
>People were fine with targs
The Lannisters remained neutral throughout Bobby's Rebellion until it became clear the Targs would lose, only then did they get involved.

>Views the dragons as her actual children.
That makes her seem more mental, not less.

>She nuked the city because she knew they wouldn't love her and that only fear would give her obedience.
And how did she know that, never having been in the city as an adult?

>Did you miss the part where him denying her affections basically breaks her mind and shows her there's no one left int he world that loves her?
Daario still loves her. Anyway, it's cheap nonsense that doesn't follow even disregarding her contacts in Essos. She just needs to get out and meet more people in Westeros.

>from women to hero.
fix

that's a great scene

because everyone else hated her.

>obedience from dead people

>bad direction and execution
>not poor writing
Are you fucking dumb?

>the grass speaking to her
Man, it's been a while, was this when she was shitting herself? What did they say?

She's burning a witch who killed her husband. Pretty standard procedure for any ruler. And she is telling her followers, same as those she wants to rule in KL, that she will protect them.
It requires a special amount of autism to not see the difference here. I don't mind that she went crazy, but the only hint at her insanity before burning a million people is her burning Dickon Tarly. It would have been more insane if she didn't burn that witch

I think it could've been improved quite a bit with just one more episode between these 2, rather than her deciding, straight after the battle was totally won, to burn everything anyway after 'She's been a recluse for 2 weeks off-screen'.

Tbh Emília acting in the last episode was great

Hear the loud alarum bells—
Brazen bells!
What tale of terror, now, their turbulency tells!
In the startled ear of night
How they scream out their affright!
Too much horrified to speak,
They can only shriek, shriek,
Out of tune,
In a clamorous appealing to the mercy of the fire,
In a mad expostulation with the deaf and frantic fire,
Leaping higher, higher, higher,
With a desperate desire,
And a resolute endeavor
Now—now to sit or never,
By the side of the pale-faced moon.
Oh, the bells, bells, bells!
What a tale their terror tells
Of Despair!
How they clang, and clash, and roar!
What a horror they outpour
On the bosom of the palpitating air!
Yet the ear it fully knows,
By the twanging,
And the clanging,
How the danger ebbs and flows;
Yet the ear distinctly tells,
In the jangling,
And the wrangling.
How the danger sinks and swells,
By the sinking or the swelling in the anger of the bells—
Of the bells—
Of the bells, bells, bells, bells,
Bells, bells, bells—
In the clamor and the clangor of the bells!

She was mad all along. Her fans just didn't realise it, because many of them are almost that far gone themselves.

Dany fans think it's completely morally acceptable to burn certain people alive, based on whether or not said people were objectionable themselves. What they don't understand, is that the mental distinction only really exists between whether or not you're going to burn ANYONE. Once you're at the point where you can accept burning anyone, regardless of whether or not you think they're horrible themselves, and regardless of the number of people involved, then you're already gone. You're already a psychopath.

The rest is purely a matter of degree.