How whitewashed is he compared to the books?

Personality wise, he's much more abrasive and unpleasant. He's still got the wit and dark humour though, but he certainly isn't as likeable.

In terms of looks, he's repugnant, with a pig face and mismatched eyes. The scar he gets in the Battle of the Blackwater is a lot worse as his face is essentially cleaved in two, brutally disfiguring him. In the show it's just a scratch.

i think the best way to describe the difference is book tyrion has a more vicious personality than show tyrion. he is much more of a little monster in the books, he doesn't look like peter dinklage at all, he is absolutely hideous and he doesn't just have a little scar on his face, his nose is gone and there is a hole there. this pic is close to how i picture him in my head.

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in the books he's driven by nothing more than murdering his sister, he kills a guy and feeds him to peasants because the dude wrote a song about him, he rapes a woman on a ship, and is generally just an asshole by this point.
yeah and he gets off on how much she doesn't want to fuck him

Isn't he missing most of his nose in the books?

Book Tyrion:
>massive gash spanning diagonally across his face makes it even more hideous than it previously was and eliminated 90% of his nose

Show Tyrion after Bronn punches him in the face:
>YOU BROKE MY NOSE!

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A friend that read the book told me that he would do acrobatics and shit in the books and was actually really strong, is that true?

She was a sex-slave and she's literally sobbing and dead inside while he fucks her.

GRRM is a bit inconsistent with that, When he first meets Jon Snow he does some flip or some shit, but in later books he has more trouble moving

The show does that with every character, specially jamie, who becomes an incompetent idiot, and the show tries to make Cercei as someone intelligent and evil, but she acts the same way in the books and fucks everything up. That tells you how stupid the show is.

i think as a kid he learned how to walk on his hands or something, i dont really remember. there's a stupid scene in the first book when he meets jon, he jumps off a fence post or something like that and does a flip in the air and lands on his hands. it's retarded and even grrm has said he has thought about removing it

To an extend. It's mostly an old reside from the character that Martin originally had in mind. I don't know how to call it. An Easter Egg?

He has an upper body strength which allows him to fight with an axe. Do you remember that battle where he falls unconscious? In the book, he does fight in it. The show just made him unconscious to not spent money on that battle.

He does a flip when he first meets Jon Snow, but Martin has come out and said this was a mistake and he regrets putting it in the book. Throughout the rest of the series he has trouble walking because of his condition though Martin tries to retcon explain the earlier flip in that he had occasionally practiced acrobatics with his uncle as a child, but also said he wished he had just pretended it had never happened.

He's never depicted as strong.

i never liked what they did with cersei. they make her out to be this fucking evil genius. in the books she's a raging alcoholic that just happens to get lucky sometimes with her plans, she truly is short sighted and impulsively stupid.

He's introduced doing an acrobatic leap off a gargoyle, which Martin has said is an artifact of his original ideas for the character. Soon afterward, he's firmly established as someone with few physical strengths, who must rely almost purely on his wits. Although interestingly, in the fifth book we learn that he has some tumbling skills learned when he was younger, and could walk on his hands along the length of a table — until Tywin found out about it.

>Do you remember that battle where he falls unconscious? In the book, he does fight in it.
all i remember about that fight is tyrion puts on some type of spiked helmet and literally runs into a horse and guts it lmao. shit was ridiculous

When he was a kid he started walking with his hands and doing flips (as a kid does sometimes), like a jester. And Tywin told him to stop acting like a fool. A lannister won't act like a fool.

One of his uncles taught him tumbling (gymnastics) and he frequently does flips early in the series but after the Battle of Blackwater he's more or less a true cripple. Book Tyrion is one of the most fascinating characters I've ever read from a journey perspective, watching him become increasingly jaded and spiteful in how those around him mock and hurt him. By the time he escapes from the Yunkish slavers and joins the Second Sons he sheds all remorse and takes pleasure in killing people.

There's a fairly decent chance book Tyrion will seize the throne, he has long since lost any ties to his family and only wants to see those who wronged him (everyone) suffer. Also he's a thousand times smarter in the books. What the show did to his character is an insult.

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Yeah he loses most his nose in the books.

Also becomes a lot more vicious when he arrives in Essos.

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>headbutts a horse with a spiked helmet
>smashes his axe in the face of the Northerner who is trapped under his horse begging for mercy

Based and Feast of Crows pilled

His family (Lannisters) are perfectly white, tall, blonde, green eyes. Tyrion, even malformed, still has these traits (besides having one eye that is not green and his bear is not fully golden like his father's).
I don't mind Tyrion not being extremely ugly in the show.

I think George went too hard on fucking up Tyrion's uglyness in the books when we already have all the perfection of his brother, father, sister and the Court in general to make him way worse by comparison.

Peter is basically the Chad of the midgets but it makes much more credible to believe he is part of the Aryan family and yet still a abomination in comparison

tyrion is basically 80% of the way towards being a full villain in the books. im pretty sure he's going to end up being dany's adviser just like in the show, but he's going to manipulate her and feed into her madness.

Regarding the family part, it's more like that he still has ambitions and is slowly accepting he is more like his father that anything else, plus, he loves Jaime and can potentially forgive Cersei. Imo he's going to aim on having political power and in being the warden of the west of a iron throne who eats at it's hands.

Is it worth reading A song of ice and fire? I usually spend my time reading the accepted classics like The Iliad and Crime and Punishment, but the autist in me wants to read this shit, especially the pure sperg material like The Targaryan history book (which tbqhfamilia I would want to read first)

And he doesn't just has the cunning to maybe someday take the throne, in the books he said that he enjoys it. It will be interedting to see what happens to him. He has a good chance to become a Tywin, even her aunt tells jamie that Tyrion is the one that's like tywin. That said, Tyrion is still too empathic to be a villain.

To be fair imagine the fucking pain in the ass it'd be to have proper makeup and proshetics for it to be proper
across multiple seasons thats just not gonna happen even before you factor in ego

In the books Tyrion and Jaime have a falling out when Jaime reveals he lied about Tyrion's first love who he was forced to rape. He has absolutely no reason to love any Lannisters now, and I'm pretty sure he's going to backstab Danny and take control of her army.

could a dwarf seriously held down someone? seriously asking how strong are they?

He killed Shae in cold blood in ASOS

In the show they cant have their MAiN Character goodguy dwarf do anything bad so they have Shae grab a knife and make it a self defense killing and him to mutter "i'm sorry" over and over again.

The good in asoiaf is that he doesn't need to be a villain (like a antagonist to jon snow), he can be a villain to others, to the iron bank, to the reach, dorne, the iron bank, maybe even Sansa. Shades of grey.

it was a young sex slave teenage girl and he was on top of her so probably

Also different colors on each eye, which makes him more unnerving.

I think a male dwarf like Peter who is not so compromised on his bone structure could easily overpower a average woman

No response Feelsbadman

He says he will only advise Danny if she allows him to rape and then kill his own Sister upon getting to King's Landing.

The show treats him like a voice of morality now. In the books, he's fucking totally maddened by the betrayal of his family. He's a character who you like, but slowly becomes more and more jaded, bitter and angry because he's been wronged by so many people.

>is it worth reading a series that a lot of people like
Golly gee user, hell of a question.

He's never even met Dany, much less discussed advising her. All he does is meme the Second Sons into siding with her forces when Barriston Selmy charges out the gates and begins YEETing the Yunkish trebuchets.

A lot of people like The Marvel cinematic universe and Harry Potter

Nice

Tyrion's not that empathic, he has a complex that drives him to try and act noble and witty around Lords and Ladies that don't really know him. He wants to fit in with others but knows he can't and when he's personally threatened or he's around individuals that aren't worth his time his complex subsides and all his brutish, disgusting mannerism are brought forth. After his trial any pretext of nobility goes straight out the window and he ceases to even find a way to trick himself into empathizing with people. The first thing he does in Essos is assault a woman, then he rapes another, gets drunk, rapes her again, gets drunk and acts belligerent and throws himself a pity party.

And then to top it off, he purposefully gives Aegon, who sees him as someone to be respected, poor advice to be spiteful, both towards the boy and Cersei.

>a series about medieval politics mixed with an undercurrent of world ending Cthulhu worship is the same as harry potter

Golly fuckin' gee user.

>Sunset found her squatting in the grass
Good golly gosh fucking bejeezus, why aren't you reading the books?

In the books he has a dwarf girl friend and they ride a pig and dog for shekles. No, I'm not kidding.

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Be honest user, there's no literature more kino than "The more she drank, the more she shat."

he dreams about raping and then killing his sister in the books. in the show he constantly defended her and tried to save her life.

that still pisses me off they dropped that part. its the most important scene between those two characters and they just fucking dropped it.

She's not his friend, they're stuck together to make ends meet entertaining slavers as performers. Tyrion absolutely hates her, ironically because she is a dwarf.

If you like fantasy yes. The stories in ASOIAF are good but I honestly like the lore he's created. I want to know more about Valyria and Asshai. I want to know about the Last Hero and if he was Azor Ahai too.

I want this fox and this cat to be my best friends

Tyrion's interaction with Jaime in E5 was the first time in a long time that a Tyrion interaction felt true to the books.

I want a pet fox so bad.

>I have never liked you, Cersei, but you were my own sister, so I never did you harm. You've ended that. I will hurt you for this. I don't know how yet, but give me time. A day will come when you think yourself safe and happy, and suddenly your joy will turn to ashes in your mouth, and you'll know the debt is paid.

I want to know more about what Euron's up to but the fat fuck won't release the next book.

Ironborn chapters before Euron: Who gives a fuck about these backwater pirate rednecks?

Ironborn chapters after Euron: What the fuck is going on YOU ABSOLUTE MADMAN STOP THIS IS GETTING OUT OF HAND

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Yes, he does a pirouette off a roof for Jon in the first book. I knew the show would be shit when they cut it out

Russia sells pet foxes but they smell like death, piss on everything, and tear up all furniture.

me too

After season 4 I'd say 80%

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Who’s uglier? Book Hound or Book Tyrion?

Isn’t Sandor kind of young in the books?

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the hounds face is uglier than the show, but tyrion in the book is absolutely fucking hideous. like freak show tier hideous.

Book Tyrion. Half of Sandor's face is scar tissue which isn't that bad. Tyrion's face is a mismatched valley of lumps, gashes, and a skull snout.

>My son Wendel came to the Twins a guest. He ate Lord Walder's bread and salt, and hung his sword upon the wall to feast with friends. And they murdered him. Murdered, I say, and may the Freys choke upon their fables. I drink with Jared, jape with Symond, promise Rhaegar the hand of my own beloved granddaughter ... but never think that means I have forgotten. The north remembers, Lord Davos. The north remembers, and the mummer's farce is almost done. My son is home.
Fuckin' BASED.

sandor is in his late 20s in the books, rory is way too old but he's a good actor and the age doesn't really matter all that much. other than his age rory is pretty much the perfect person to play the hound, he has that raging intensity like book-hound.

>way uglier
>way more of an asshole
>killing Shae isn't in self defense
>Jaime and Tyrion talk to each other, and Tyrion hates him because he told him that Tysha genuinely loved him ("Wherever whores go" is what Tywin tells him when he asks where he sent Tysha," and he thinks it all the damned time in ADWD)
>He pervs on a "septa" who is totally-not-Ashara-Dayne
>He lowkey wants to fuck a dwarf chick who may or may not hate him because her dwarf brother died because Cersei put a massive bounty on his head so everyone's running around killing every Dwarf in sight.

I'm so upset the show cut out the Manderly/Northern conspiracy. I would give my left nut to watch the bit where Davos walks straight into Wyman's court knowing he's doomed.

Tyrion is a sucker for girls out on her luck that's why he fell for Sansa and Shae, and why he's currently falling for Penny.

who is ashara dayne

Someone post the image. You know EXACTLY which one I'm talking about.

arthur dayne's sister that may have had a relationship with ned stark.
there's a lot of crazy ashara dayne theorists on Yea Forums for some reason, i dont know why

>fell for Sansa
What fucking bootleg copy of GoT did you read? Tyrion wanted nothing to do with Sansa sexually, he just wanted to end her suffering and she took advantage of that by framing him for Joffrey's murder.

For starters, in the books he looks like a fucking demon without half his nose.

The most likely person to be Jon's mom if Ned is his biological father. He had a massive crush on her around the time of Robert's Rebellion but so did his brother, so declaring Jon a bastard could have been a power move to steal Winterfell from his brother.

Agreed.
Not everything is going to fall through for a 70 episode tv show, Peter wouldn't be able to act through all of that.

okay who is arthur dayne?

I mean I think the show makes him look way worse now, he's basically a retard that just does some serious expressions.

Ok I worded that poorly. It's not really love it's more like he wants to be the hero for a damsel in distress.

I haven't read the books but he's been such a Mary Sue NPC good goy fag ever since leaving Westeros I roll my eyes at him.

remember the dual sword guy that young ned fought at that tower? him. in the books he doesn't dual wield, he has some crazy sword called dawn that was made out of a meteorite. in his time he was basically the best living swordsman.

From his culture's perspective, no. Modern day society would call it rape.

Yah the iron born povs in the last 2 books were the best parts

It was in the first or second chapter of the first book. GRRM retconed it later when he learned midgets have joint issues and usually have a harder time doing acrobatics compared to normal people. Compared to the many other inconsistancies, like the wall heights, it's not that big an issue.

No?

I love the ironborn so much. All this careful planning and scheming is being built up just for insane cthulu-worshipping or self worshipping in Euron's case pirates to swoop in and ruin everything. At least I hope this is going to happen.

>Tyrion whole character in one post.
I always loved how the failure of being seen as the gallant hero makes him grow so bitter.

>dragons exist
>zombies exist
>magic exists
>a dwarf that can perform gymnastics? woah there buddy, don't you think you're being a bit irrational?

Book Tyrion is the posterboy of every white knight incel to exist. Can only get sex by paying for it and every woman hates him so he just becomes ultra bitter and wants to destroy the world.

Everyone in the show is aged up quite a bit, Robert and Ned are aged up 6 years and all the children between 3 and 4 years. On top of that the Hound has been described as looking quite a bit older than he actually is in the book.

I hope Sansa gets raped brutally in the books, worse than in the show.

Well dragons, zombies and magic all don't exist in real life so they work however the author says they do.
Midgets exist in real life, so unless they're magic midgets, they need to abide by how real midgets work.

the ages were always a mistake. when i read the books i had to kind of age them up in my head because it just doesn't make sense otherwise. arya is doing all this assassin shit in braavos and she's supposed to be younger than show-arya was in the first season. its just ridiculous.

I think it's about the same.

>Ramsay's hounds, Sansa... It was beautiful.

Pretty much. But unlike irl incels he has good reasons to be so bitter since hes an actual pariah no matter how hard he tries instead of all being in his autistic head.

jeyne poole received the rape not sansa in the books

white knight...what?

How did he supposedly retcon it? was Jon dreaming or what?

haven't seen that one yet

Arya in the books isn't a very successful assassin, in fact, she's quite the opposite which is why most speculate that's she is being used by the House of Black and White as a tool to cause political chaos.I find her parts in the book to be quite realistic given how she's portrayed.

A lot of people take issue with Jon and Robb being so young but they also forget that manhood in most early medieval cultures was around 13, that's when a young peasant boy was required to partake in manhunts and could be conscripted into a levy.

shut the fuck up?

read the books sweetie you clearly havent

that's just plain wrong though. Tyrion literally recognizes that what he's doing is wrong and that he's taking her against her will, he finds it repulsive actually. That being said he justifies it by essentially saying that he's a repulsive monster so he gets to do repulsive monster things.

I'm not an incel nerd retard, i watch the show and read the wiki. Pure cream no filler.

Does Sansa get raped by the hounds in the show?

Just started to describe him as having trouble walking.

To be fair it's still kind of ambiguous, she grabs the knife and then he lunges for her instead of withdrawing. But yeah, it was still a whitewash of a more brutal scene.

According to everyone that has met him, the greatest knight in Westeros history.

I think the acrobatics was when he was a child. Back then his joints would have been in healthier condition, they deteriorate with age.

Damn yeah you're right.
If the fat man lives to write the rest of the books i won't even remember what the fucking story was about.

A whole khalasar, all forty thousand men, and their horses.

>Tyrion absolutely hates her, ironically because she is a dwarf.
>Cersei hates other women for being weak women like she is
Lannister bookkino

>it's a cersei finger fucks her bed warmer chapter

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First book is the one that has most of the continuty problems in the series. The acrobatics were later explained by the influence of one of his uncles, but it stills feels weird that he did it so gratuitously when in all the other books hes always bitching about his shit body and how everyone describes his eratic movement.
Then again maybe he just did it because he was shit faced and didnt care Idk.

I hope in the books Jon is actually Ashara's son if only because it'd be funny for the first suggestion in GoT (book not show) to be true despite how long dismissed it's been especially because of the show

What's LittleFinger up to in the books?

Poor fucking Jeyne really gets the short end of the stick even when she manages to escape.

Plotting

>Dany chapter
>OH FUCK OFF
>it's actually a Dany chapter where she's sexually frustrated while Daario is away so she forces one of her handmaids to go down on her

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Based

He's pretty much taking control of the Vale not unlike in the show, trying to marry Sansa to a noble heir that will inherit the Vale after Robin dies (But not before he has a chance to fuck Sansa himself).

>it's a cersei wishes she had a penis chapter

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for one thing, he didn't send the assassin after bran. joffrey did that. LF isn't a memelord tard in the books.
right now he's in the vale with sansa, he's scheming to get sansa married to harrold. if robin were to die, harrold is next in line. hmmmm, i wonder what he could be planning.

You know, I like Dany from the books a lot more because her chapters mare more clear that she is, in fact, a retarded horny teenager that without having been educated on how to rule finds herself with power.

Why did he shill for TFA?

shut up about star wars no one cares

Do you guys think Tyrion will dab in the last episode?

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Is that the guy who plays kylo ren?

My meme theory is that everything Robert Baratheon says is true, so Jon would be Wylla's son.

Shae deserved it.

>Jon ends up being Eddard's son and half Dayne.
I'm ok with that.

i read all the books in 2008-2009 and in my head canon tyrion looks like gimli the dwarf

mmm tasty

also based Jorah knocked one of this midge's teeth out in the books

Why must Jorah suffer so much?
He just wants a piece of underage pussy. Is that so bad?

he has about half of his nose

They ruined him by keeping him the same, in the books he's told by jamie, his wife who was raped by the lannister army wasn't actually a whore. So he's punished tyrion ready to watch the world burn

They completely ruined the northerners in general.
They were diehard and fanatically loyal to the Starks, but in the show turns them into fickle weaklings.

WTF IS HAPPENING AAAAAAAAAA

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I'll give you a non-shitter answer. If well developed characters in a fantasy setting that's pretty much antithetical to tolkien and extremely good plot interest you I'd get the first book from the library. And then you get to be part of the less retarded book community

She was like a 16 year old whore who had a shit ton of wealth fall onto her lap and tried to find a way to not get dragged down with her sugar daddy when he was about to be executed

I remember that Lyanna talking shit about them. What did she do, send a letter & 16 men? Manderly built up a fleet. The Umbers did their fair share too. That girl has no right to talk shit about the others.

That's not so much whitewashing, as everyone still treats him like shit, as it is a makeup constraint. That shit takes time to apply and reapply, and they can barely get the tiny scar he has right.

He does flips in ADWD. It's mentioned that his uncle Gerion taught him how to do them.

>Reek chapter
>Ramsay is beating the shit out of Jeyne pool and making Reek watch it(or hear it).

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Lyanna Mormont isn't even a relevant character in the books.
Just like what they did with pretty much every cool vassal house in the books, they wrote out and neglected a lot of its key members and turned the one remaining member of the house into a meme character.

There are still a bunch of Mormonts aside from Lyanna and Jorah who are still out there and keeping a low profile after the Red Wedding. A lot of the survivors of the Red Wedding went MIA in the books, which is obviously setting up some kind of major comeback.

Internal logical consistency is needed in fiction in order to suspend disbelief, you retarded normie redditor

get out braindead normalfag

it's not outright called rape in the books but even Tyrion is ashamed of it and realizes it's wrong

yeah that's what I'm saying that was RR martin attempting to explain it with his uncle but even martin was like "I should've just dropped it"

Justified either way

Ok bookfags, time to give it to me. Who are the most underrated characters in the show compared to the books? Which characters should have been in the show?

Low IQ

"I defeated your uncle Victarion and his Iron Fleet off Fair Isle, the first time your father crowned himself. I held Storm's End against the power of the Reach for a year, and took Dragonstone from the Targaryens. I smashed Mance Rayder at the Wall, though he had twenty times my numbers. Tell me, turncloak, what battles has the Bastard of Bolton ever won that I should fear him?"

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Book Tyrion is way more spiteful, he lets Jaime think he killed Joffrey because he's so furious about his ex wife shit, chokes out Shae and comments on how Tywin doesn't shit gold when he is disembowled by Tyrion's arrow shooter thing

I've never understood why he regretted the dwarf acrobatics so much when there exist dwarf circus performers that specialize in acrobatics. I mean I know is weird and not all cases of dwarfism can achieve that athletic level, but is not impossible.

Patchface, of course.

He also plants the seed of Cersei having cheated on Jaime in Jaime's head which makes him go proper weird for the rest of the books

Ramsay BTFO

Call me crazy, but... what if Young Griff/fAegon is actually the son of Ned Stark and Ashara?

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Jon Connington

There will be an extra in the background doing a default dance while drinking a Jamba Juice.

Reminder that Tyrion is a Targ conceived of rape.

Victarion Greyjoy played by Titus Pullo

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Dont bother unless the books get finished

Undeniably and unequivocally based

Manderly

>Yeah he loses most his nose in the books.

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But then, book Jaime spending time away from Cersei's toxicity lets him grow into a better person and better character.
Show Jaime never loses his boner for his sister and keeps regressing whenever he gets a chance to grow.
Like in the most recent episode when he says he doesn't care about the little people. While it could be taken that he's trying to lie to Tyrion in his anger, it's more like D&D forgot that the whole reason Jaime broke his vow and became the Kingslayer, was to save King's Landing from being burned by a mad tyrant.

yeah I remember that scene. pretty fcking hot, GRRM can write em sometimes

The full Greyjoy brothers and real Euron, Patchface and his demented future seeing, the real wildling chieftains, Aegon and Jon Connington, and just for shits and giggles Strong Belwas.

Played by yours truly

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Lady Stoneheart.

is GRRM unironically too fat to sit a horse?

>Cersei put a massive bounty on his head so everyone's running around killing every Dwarf in sight.

I forgot about that. Random people keep showing up to see Cersei with dwarf heads in bags trying to get the reward.

He's going to appear as old Samwell Tarly, writing down the events that happened as the Song of Ice and Fire.

in the books they starved Tyrion

I used to have that same shirt
I mean mine used about half the material but other than that it was the same shirt

he's not really raping her then. the fault is with the guy that unjustly enslaved her. or her for bitching if justly enslaved.

Lady Stoneheart

Yeah, she was just a whore and Tyrion lavished her and protected her, elevating her far, far above her station. And then she just dumps him after all that. I don't blame her, she is just a woman, but she did deserve it.

>"And so end the story of the song of ice and fire."

I'd totally walk out of the theatre if they did this.

>What's LittleFinger up to in the books?

He is in the Vale acting as Lord Protector to Sweetrobin. He has Sansa with him disguised as a bastard. He wants to use debts owed by an important Vale family to leverage Sansa getting married to the heir, Harry the Heir to the Vale. Presumably Littlefinger will knock Sweetrobin off, making Harry the Heir the new Lord and his wife Sansa will be revealed as who she really is.

Patchface
Lady Stoneheart
Euron
Victarion

Is that why it almost makes so little sense why tywin hates him as much as he does in the show? He's not as ugly as they make him out to be.

Ask Warwick for some feedback on his long illustrious rape career.

Tyrion is the product of Aerys II raping his wife which ended up killing her. That's why Tywin hates him so much.

Tywin sees Tyrion as the murderer of the love of his life, and a walking insult to the Lannister legacy. That scene in the show where Tywin denies Tyrion Casterly Rock is basically lifted straight from the books. iirc the quote is word for word

That is a non confirmed theory.

I hate stupid cunts like you
>something has fantasy therefore all authenticity has to be thrown out the window
Fucking smooth brain

wrong, he pays her and he fucks her. just because she doesnt enjoy it doesnt mean its rape when shes a literal prostitute.

She's a slave retard.

Has any cunt like you ever bothered to defend his "it's fantasy bro XD" position after being called out on his retardation? You always dump your worthless bait statement and disappear.

Pretty whitewashed. In the books, after killing Tywin, he's going full-blown drunken cynic, taking a serious mental dive, while traveling to meet Dany. Along the way, he's got this whole dwarf girlfriend thing going on while he travels to Mereen. In the books, he hasn't even reached the fucking city yet when Dany flees the fighting pits on Drogon's back when the Sons of the Harpy attack. I think Dance of Dragons ends with him having just signed up with the Golden Company to fight the slavers besieging the city.

So who's this dwarf girl? Remember at Joffrey's Wedding, the dwarves who do the funny little recreation of the War of the Five Kings? One of them, and she's fucking miserable because her brother or boyfriend or whatever was murdered because somebody mistook him for Tyrion.

Here's a super in-depth analysis on the Tyrion/Penny dynamic
meereeneseblot.wordpress.com/2013/12/18/paying-his-debts-part-iii-tyrion-and-penny/

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that would be extremely based, but do the timelines fit?

I believe he's a Blackfyre personally.

Oh fuck, that reminds me how Kevan Lannister has been written out completely.
He was sympathetic and competent and was doing a good job cleaning up the mess Cersei made of the Seven Kingdoms. Which is why Varys has to kill him. To insure that Cersei keeps fucking things up so the proper lord, Aegon and his Golden Company, can conquer the war-torn Kingdom. With Dorne's help, of course.

STRONG BELWAS

*brrrrrapppp*

Daily reminder Quentyn has Targ blood so h's going to come out of this burning AOK

I would prefer this tyrian

>Who are the most underrated characters in the show compared to the books?

Show Stannis was like only 30% of Book Stannis in terms of character pathos. Also, Book Stannis is currently still alive.

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Such a wasted character. He somehow gets back to KL to see Joff die, does nothing (as we'd expect since he doesn't really give a shit about the kids), goes through the expected motions of thinking over his life and choices, still gives brienne oathkeeper, even has the monolog about why he killed aerys. It's like that entire aspect of Jamie genuinely wanted to play knight, be a good knight and even kingsguard was dropped. He just likes fucking his sister on the side, no desire for a high position in life, he's already got what he wants.

And then what, he fucks brie and runs back to cersei? You bait us in after blowing off his redemption arc/abandonment of cersei for 4 years to just go right the fuck back? So he's really just a crazed masochist.

But Valiryans not burning is showshit only...

Hey, remember when D&D changed Asha Greyjoy's name to "Yara" because they thought people would confuse her with Osha?

>Daily reminder Quentyn has Targ blood so h's going to come out of this burning AOK

Quentyn is ok. He'll get up any minute now.

Any minute now.

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>Targ blood means you can't get burned
What is the tragedy of Summerhall?

The actual Others, not that shitty death metal band of octogenarian smurfs.

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I feel like discussion about the acrobatics has gone way up recently.
Coincidentally I'm reading AGOT for the fourth time so maybe smaller moments like that stick out to me more.

Why did the show have to cut out victarian

Lads, I think I'm finna read ADWD again

They cut off pretty much all of the Iron Born and made their own paper mache version.

FUCKING GIANT ICE SPIDERS

The one where that fan complains to GRRM not to cast an old guy to play Sandor?

Euron Crow's Eye, Victarion, Darkstar, Patchface, Aegon, Lady Stoneheart

would be pure kino

and you cant rape a slave either faggot

Why the fuck didn't we domesticate foxes earlier?
We waited till the the 1950s to start doing this and it was stupid easy to do apparently.

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>Who are the most underrated characters in the show compared to the books?
not sure what you mean. which show characters were better than their book counterparts? theon is better in the show. the guy playing walder frey was perfect too.

>Which characters should have been in the show?
i would have liked for mance to stick around longer, he's still alive in the books. i guess they dropped his plotline because it's just too involved for the show to get into.

That happened?
Anyways as things go it isn't really a problem in the show since in it Sansa isn't wet 24/7 because of her memories of him.

just finished listening to the audiobook for the first time since i read it back 2011. was pretty good

Why bother? Wolves are bigger foxes. We just mutated them to shit. Also foxes aren't better than dogs, just more novel to you. If they were domesticated you'd be wondering why we didn't domesticate whatever other exotic animal.

Godry "The Giantslayer" Farring, Stannis's chad knight.

He accompanies Stannis to the Wall, murders a giant from behind with a lance charge when Stannis's army attacks the Wildlings, and he never stops bragging about it. He's a fucking insufferable douchebag, he would have been perfect for the show. Here's his bio:

awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Godry_Farring

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Which one

Meanwhile, the Watch's one-armed blacksmith kills Mag the Mighty, King of the Giants in face-to-face combat.

>*Gets dany to burn down all of Kings landing*
Pretty on the nose

which is why Godry is a chaddy prick. He talks the biggest game around, embellishes/lies constantly, and is in love with his own glory

Wasn't he one of the first ones Wun Wun smashed when he goes berserk in Castle Black?

I think book robb is a lot less retarded when you realize hes supposed to be like 14. It makes his decision that loses the war seem a lot more understandable imo.

That was Ser Patrek who got yeeted by Wun Wun

sadly no, that was the meme knight, Patrek of King's Mountain, who represented the Dallas Cowboys being defeated by the NY Giants.

Godry is still chadding it up. Somehow, Asha Greyjoy (named Yara on the show) ends up a prisoner of Stannis in the North, and I'm pretty sure Godry is an inch away from raping her, but they're also all on their suicide march towards Bolton-held Winterfell, so lets see how that shot goes in Winds of Winter

The entire Stannis entourage is pretty good and would have been great to see on the show.

Robb is a lot more like Ned in attitude. He knocked up Jeyne while still delirious from his wounds and tries to to the honorable thing by marrying her since she's still a noble. A minor noble, but a noble nonetheless. He also tries to do the honorable thing and own up to his mistake to old man Frey. Which is quite the mature step for a 14-year old kid.
Not like the show's 18-year old dunce who can't keep his dick in his pants and runs after a random nurse girl.

>when you realize hes supposed to be like 14
The stupidity of many characters is more understanble in the books because how ignorant and young they are. Best example of this is Jon and how his bastard complex and the cold shoulder from Catelyn drive him to become a man of the night's watch because he believes that becoming someone like his uncle Benjen will honor his father, only to later realize how he singed a life contratc away from the people he loves.

That reminds me, I'm disappointed they left out Stannis' glowing sword. The one that's supposed to signify that he's Azor Ahai, but as Maester Aemon points out, it's a cold glow. It doesn't give off any heat, meaning it's a pretender's magic sword.
Last we hear is Ramsay's letter to Jon saying he caught Mance Rayder and flayed the girls with him and left him to wear their skins and took Stannis' magic sword.

Same with dany. I genuinely still find dany chapters to be the worst parts of the books, but there's still redeeming qualities in the fact that I find it interesting to see a teenage girl be thrust into that position of power, especially when you parallel it to robb in the earlier books.

Shitmouth

Rob and Jon are they're father's sons. They're all honorable until you introduce the pussy. Rob with Jeyne, Jon with Ygritte, and Ned with Jon's mother, whoever she was.

Based and Mountainpilled

Vicky - I stopped cared when they wrote him out.

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Is Patchface a servant of the drowned god?

>"Yes. They killed Lord Eddard and Lady Catelyn and King Robb. He was our king! He was brave and good and the Freys murdered him. If Lord Stannis will avenge him, we should join Lord Stannis."
>"I know about the promise ... Maester Theomore, tell them! A thousand years before the Conquest, a promise was made, and oaths were sworn in the Wolf's Den before the old gods and the new. When we were sore beset and friendless, hounded from our homes and in peril of our lives, the wolves took us in and nourished us and protected us against our enemies. The city is built upon the land they gave us. In return we swore that we should always be their men. Stark men!"
Unlike that little shit Lyanna, Wylla said this in front of Freys as Wylis, either her father or uncle, was kept captive. She has thousands of times more balls than that letter Lyanna wrote.

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Patchface is Azor Ahai

But Jon gets lucky and the ''honorable'' thing to do was, too, his biggest duty. Which was betraying ygritte. This is something that Stannis knows and tells Davos, that sometines you have to pick between duty and honor, and duty wins. And as Tywin tells Tyrion, in a boy sense counts for little against honor.

True. The conspiracy the Manderly's are cooking, and lady stoneheart, combined with Stannis' siege of winterfell would have been a far more interesting way to avenge the north than that shitty battle of the bastards and Arya deus exing every frey at the same time. Which book Arya would be able to do, but with a better execution. Stannis is a million times better in the books too.

based

im getting erect just thinking about it

Am I the only one who found Tyrion trial in the show absolute kino? Peter nailed it.

What's more low IQ: wasting time reading fucking BOOKS, or being a massive fucking chad (like me) and reading the wiki for the cliffnotes.

Work smarter not harder you fucking tryhard worthless virgin.

That would be true if it was an educational book from which you can learn without details. Evading the details in a work of art or entertainment where the difference between good or bad is in the details, 'cause you just wanna know the mayor points, is the true mark of an idiot.
Just try it in real life, talk as if you really know about something and then tell them that you only read the wiki and see how many people look at you like the moron you are.

It's worth it. You cannot find one single thing that the show does better than the books, trust me.

They wouldn't know any better if I didn't tell them, though, would they? Moron. You just played yourself!

Oh you're one of those dudes that gets wet by baiting people in internet forums. Kek, ok. Keep going.

Unlike Varys, we don't really know what Littlefinger's endgame is going to be. We just know it involves the Vale, Essos mercs, and probably Harrenhal.

He's gonna get killed by Arya anyway

Targ blood stoping burns is show only; but, you're not wrong. The end of the chapter cuts out suddenly like Theon's death in ACoK. Arch and Drink also are hardcore obviously lying when they describe his death.

aSoIaF single-handedly pushed up the verb "waddle" several dozen places in frequency dictionaries of English.

>What's more low IQ: wasting time fucking CHICKS, or being a massive fucking chad (like (You)) and listening to people briefly describe what colour pusihair she had
have sex

I've been thinking lately he that he might actually be the son of Rhaegar. Jon Snow is also Rhaegar's son and was also named Aegon. Before Lyanna's child was born Rhaegar would have heard about the fate of his family in King's Landing. Probably named his new son Aegon to keep working towards fulfilling his prophecy.

That chapter where Belwas kills the city's champion, takes off his pants, and proceeds to take a massive ogre shit in front of all the defenders watching from the wall is ultimate bookino. It's like Pepe visited game of thrones.

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Imagine being so far gone that you grow, and keep, that fucking "beard"

>You cannot find one single thing that the show does better than the books

The show has an ending.

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Nobody knows what Varys's endgame is, and if you say you do you're a liar. There's a pretty fucking good chance Varys and Illyrio Mopatis are mermen poisoning Westeros for some kind of sea invasion.

>taking a massive shit in front of the crowd
>then wiping his ass on the dead guy's clothes
Based Belwas

you mean to tell me in the books, Harrenhall is in fact, not off the table?

I thought it was for the good of the realm or for the Blackfyres. Even in his speech to Kevin about Aegon's qualifications and talents, he never said Aegon was legitimate. Only that Aegon is well suited to being king.

How does he speak in the books, does he have that deep elegant Dinklage voice or a creepy tinny midge voice? The same use of language?

Is it worth it when the ending is shit tho

Lmao this fucking board.

Yeah the books are great but at this rate the show might be the only conclusion book readers are ever going to get.

>What's more low IQ: wasting time reading fucking BOOKS, or being a massive fucking chad (like me) and reading the wiki for the cliffnotes.
>what's worse, eating food or eating other people's chewed-up cud
>suck it food-eater!

He claims he works for the good of the realm, yet him assassinating Kevan Lannister and Pycelle goes against everything he espouses.

>This pains me, my lord. You do not deserve to die alone on such a cold dark night. There are many like you, good men in service to bad causes ... but you were threatening to undo all the queen's good work, to reconcile Highgarden and Casterly Rock, to bind the Faith to your little king, unite the Seven Kingdoms under Tommen's rule.

If he truly gave a fuck about peace in the realm it wouldn't matter what ruler sat on the throne, so long as they were stable. He wants chaos, and that's exactly what he's going to get by ensuring Cersei regains power.

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I honestly would had preferred this !
And only the scar would be makeup (easy done) and paint his nose green/blue, which later is done with special effected !

Why would he tell a lie about the boy actually being Aegon to a man he is about to kill? Jon Connington would have heard this version when recruited. Looking back on people's interactions with Varys, unsure whether or not he's ever lying. He deals more in half-truth.

Aegon being the real Aegon is a whole truth.

He can barely act as it is after all.

Aegon was bred to be the perfect king. Tommen was never planned to be king and with how Joffrey's reign turned out I can see why Varys would rather bet on the faster horse

Except Varys knows Tommen isn't a sadistic shit like Joffrey. Your logic is flawed.

Rhaegar died before his family did. Lyanna probably said the first Targaryen name she could think of

>Why would he tell a lie about the boy actually being Aegon to a man he is about to kill
Most of the conversation is about Aegon's qualification and how much better a king he would be over Tommen.

in the show he and other dwarfs right on pigs and joust each other

Wait little finger is still alive in the books??

Quentyn s confirmed dead in preview chapter for twow

Oh buddy

Yes. He's currently in charge of the Vale and has Sansa posing as his bastard daughter. It's actually pretty fun reading little finger twist the Vale Lords like clay. It's almost too easy for him compared to Kings Landing

>in the show he tried to save her life?

Maybe he didn’t?

That’s retarded

It’s because Varys is a secret Blackfyre who is only pretending to be a eunuch. He shaves his head like Egg did to hide his silver hair, and nobody ever confirms his lack of genitalia. He’s having Faegon take over and he’ll betray Faegon to become the real Blackfyre king. He even has the Targ specific -ys spelling in his name, like how Lannisters always have a Ty- name

Lannisters on the throne will always be unstable compared to Targaryens. They work better since their house isn't from Westeros and they don't have any vested interests into anything except the kingdom

>Jaime
>Ty-

>Book Tyrion
>First thing we saw him do was jumping from a building while doing an somersault and lands unharmed

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>ending shot voice over panning over the ending text of one of the books written in 'ye olde scripte'
>and after all these events were through and history was made, we could truly say it was a A Song Of Ice And Fire
>fat wrinkly hand closes the book
>camera pans up to show old Samwell reading to some young children, Samwell is played by Gurm
>Gurm looks directly into the camera and winks
>roll credits

Should Tyrion's POVs be trusted? How does his love of wine affect his perspective?

Tygett, Tywin, Tyrion, Tybolt, GRRM has naming conventions for each house.

This is absolutely going to happen.

>GRRM actually thought midgets could do these sorts of acrobatics until he was told that they couldn't by an editor

Can you imagine Tyrion killing someone by flipping down from a roof or something if he never found out?

this

That's just a hint that Jaime isn't his.

>pretending
He’s a eunuch. His royal ancestry is why his manparts were valuable for blood magic.

*flips down from behind behind you*
“Nothing personnel kid”

It is not a story the targarians would tell you

The line between domesticated fox and dog is thin

If you like stories that will never finish, yeah it's worth it.

That would be better than the reality that he will be cucked to death.

> Sees Jaimie
> "Holy shit boys it's the king slayer"
> spits in his hands and rubs it into his cheeks to try to make himself presentable
Kek

The whore is a slave with whip marks all over her.

>tyrion is basically 80% of the way towards being a full villain in the books.
I felt the opposite. By the end of ADWD it feels like there is a strong hope that he will be the first person to come into Danerys's life who can truly put her on the right path, and that the two of them can finally put an end to all the misery of Westeros.

Yes, but keep in mind.

1. only the first season of GOT is anything like the books
2. the books are far superior and will ruin the series for you
3. 50/50 chance it will never be completed

OH DAARIO DAARIO DAARIO
DREAMY DAARIOOO
*SCHLICK* *SCHLICK* *SCHLICK* *SCHLICK*

>Most underrated
Euron by far. Book Euron is bizarre and terrifying. Feels like a guy who really can upset the balance of what the fates have ordained.
>Should have been in the show
Arianne Martel, easily. She's set up as a fourth main protagonist to go along with the main group of Arya, Tyrion, and Daenerys. Notice Jon Snow is NOT in this list because the honest truth is Jon is not a tier 1 protagonist in the books. Arianne must be a main character in TWOW and probably even ADOS and that she is not in the show at all shows how much the books are going to have to diverge from the show.