It's still shit

it was fucking dumb, but I liked watching dany fry ppl

It was bad but still based

IT'S NOT FAIR

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This whole season has been awful, but I'd rather watch failed or confused writing than plot contrivances and boring outcomes. Danny snapping like a twig and killing thousands of innocents, letting her people rape and pillage was way, way better and more fun to watch than the death of the night king.

>inconsistencies
you don't even know what that word means
Yea Forums won btw

based Dany working the marks hard

bet she got a high pH pussy

Arya killing the night king was shit and night king not being end game is shit but if the rest of the leaks are true then it's kino enough for me.

Our /mad queen/.

Seething roastie

>The episode, like the whole season, was shit. Filled with inconsistencies, lazy writing and rushed to tie up loose plot ends.
>"But it made the SJWs mad so it must be good!"
Cry more, you assblasted raostie.

They bait and switched SJWs and made them look like the mindless NPCs they are... in hilarious fashion.

The epitome of a woman...
>gets rejected for sex, goes crazy
>make freeing king's landing all about her
>overly emotional
>virtue signals to others but inside a heartless cunt
>low IQ and controlled by feelings
etc.

D&D just made the most redpilled and honest kino in GoT history. 10/10. Best episode since season 2.

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you're right but the board is currently flooded with /pol/ tourists. Give it a month or two and those retards will go back to their containment board.

What's the logic behind Daenerys attacking civilians?

Anyone worth half a brain knew the show was shit since season 5.
So the best course of action is to accept the ride and laugh at the idiots who just now are realizing the show is garbage too.

Oy vey

>plebbit

>durr it redeemed itself by becoming even worse

there is no logic to it. Even when Aerys Targaryen wanted to burn King's Landing he did it out of desperation and a last final act of defiance. He wanted everyone to burn with him. It's mad but he had his reasons when he was consumed by paranoia, fear and desire for vengeance. He didn't just decide to turn the whole city into ash after he already won. And that's where the episode fucked up.

There are ways they could have salvaged it to some degree. Have Rhaegal not die in episode 4, when Daenerys tries to take the city in episode 5 and the bells start ringing she heads right for the red keep because after all Cersei has done she wants her to submit and burn her personally. On her way to the keep Rhaegal gets shot down but the bolt doesn't come from the iron fleet or the walls, those are already burned. There are scorpions placed in the city districts inside some of the houses. Daenerys heads in the direction from where Rhaegal was shot but realizes that there are thousands of people flooding the city streets. Suddenly bolts come from another direction and she realizes that she's essentially in a minefield, she just lost her second dragon which she thinks of as her child and is about to lose her third. She has to make an impossible choice, if she starts burning houses she will inadvertently kill people on the streets, if she tries to fly away a bolt could hit her. Sure, she could make it out of the city but would have to trust her army to sack the city without her help. So in that moment of desperation her yearning for the throne, her lust for revenge and her desire to protect her last child she starts burning houses. Cersei's final fuck you to Daenerys is that she stashed those scorpion hideouts with wildfire in case they ever got attacked by dragons.

Do to bed, David.

for once I agree with OP

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>What's the logic behind Daenerys attacking civilians?

She finally snapped. Don't pretend like she was always a humanitarian. In Slavers Bay she had a convenient moral high ground but now she is trying to subjugate everyone. She always had her advisors to rein her in and her enemies were conveniently evil. Her moral high ground is gone. Don't pretend like this is out of nowhere. She talked about burning cities every season, because she is entitled to the throne and it is hers.

She realized that nobody wants her. She is an unwanted invader trying to take what she wants and even her advisors were turning against her. She's also unhinged like she always was.

Your post lacks nuance.
Daenerys' character flaw has always been that she has a black and white understanding of morality and that she rationalizes cruelty when it's directed at people that she deems guilty. However, none of the people in King's Landing that she burned were guilty and there is no indication that she thought they were guilty. They weren't even collateral damage, she just burned them for the sake of burning them. That's bad writing because it's not in line with how she rationalizes her bad behavior in previous seasons.

>there is no logic to it. Even when Aerys Targaryen wanted to burn King's Landing he did it out of desperation and a last final act of defiance. He wanted everyone to burn with him. It's mad but he had his reasons when he was consumed by paranoia, fear and desire for vengeance. He didn't just decide to turn the whole city into ash after he already won. And that's where the episode fucked up.

There is logic to it. The Assyrians, Alexander the Great and the Mongols all erased cities. They were very successful. The whole point is that you show that anyone who doesn't submit is destroyed. You either surrender right away or die. Then the next town you siege surrenders without even putting up a fight. If you let the first town surrender then everyone else knows that they can resist you, try their luck at defeating you and then just surrender if it goes wrong. Dany had this in her the whole time.

Game of Thrones got real again, for the first time in a long time.

I found plenty o' nuance in his post.

However,
>Daenerys' character flaw has always been that she has a black and white understanding of morality and that she rationalizes cruelty when it's directed at people that she deems guilty. However, none of the people in King's Landing that she burned were guilty and there is no indication that she thought they were guilty. They weren't even collateral damage, she just burned them for the sake of burning them. That's bad writing because it's not in line with how she rationalizes her bad behavior in previous seasons.
there's roughly none of it here.

>That's bad writing because it's not in line with how she rationalizes her bad behavior in previous seasons.

She outright stated that she would rule through fear. She is done with rationalizing.

BASED Queen of the Aryans, Protector of the Reich, Fuhrer of Meereen, Khaleesi of the Great Gas Chambers, Mother of Schutzstaffel, the Unkiked, Breaker of Jews, Lady of the Holocaust

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Many things were bad, but this "twist" was good.

Some say it was obvious and expected, but for 90% of the audience it was horrible. They literally wanted the good wise queen (who had never actually been depicted as remotely wise).

>There is logic to it. The Assyrians, Alexander the Great and the Mongols all erased cities. They were very successful.

Completely retarded backwards logic considering that her plan is to sit on the Iron Throne and rule over Westeros through King's Landing. You don't raze a city that you plan on conquering as an usurper because you don't have any subjects to rule over and any infrastructure to support your rule. Razing cities was done to strip them of resources to keep your army going and instill fear in future targets so they'd be more likely to surrender. Most successful conquerors weren't able to hold these cities because it would mean that they had to spread their armies thin. Destruction and terror was simply a way to make surrender an appealing alternative to the people that hold those lands.

no argument, good.

which isn't in line with her character. Even in her worst moments in previous seasons where she had to be reigned in by advisors the point of contention was never that she directed her rage towards random civilians.

>Danaerys finally did what she has been blustering about for seven seasons
>REEEEE WHY ARE THEY RUSHING EVERYTHING

This would have been so much better, during the episode I was even thinking why are there no scorpions hidden in the residential districts, why would you land a dragon not knowing if there are hidden scorpions obviously she couldn't scan the entire fucking city herself. Honestly these writers are amateurs and it shows, even we can do better.

It was unwatchable shit, but D&D have put millions of normie danyfags and r*dditors on suicide watch without even trying.

>Majority of posters cannot even properly read, let alone type.
This website is dead. Ruled by low IQ teenagers.

College semester's over and it's almost June. Trust me this will look tame compared to the 2020 Presidential election.

it's up around 9.6

Her motivation wasn't black and white morality, it was a desire to create security. When the bell rang, she realized she still didn't feel any more secure than when Visersys whored her off, because she was a foreign Queen with no friends left in the world aside from Grey Worm (call back to "Safety? Where the fuck's that? Her aunt in the Erie's dead, her mother's dead, her brother's dead. There is no safety, you dumb bitch.").

Have sex

>woman lacks logic
>reddit tourist thinks this is an error

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But it made the SJWs mad so it must be good

>child dies
>closest friend dies
>about to lose claim to the throne to the guy who actually deserves it
>super insecure about all of this
>goes overboard because there's nobody around to convince her to dial it back anymore
Why is this so hard to accept for you? She is acting the same exact way she has acted since she was in the Red Wastes. "We will burn cities to the ground." and "I will take what is mine with fire and blood."

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low effort shitpost incoming
youtu.be/Tu3az0JZxrA

He redeemed himself in that he now has good morals but in the end is still willing to throw it all aside for Cersei. Thus I never "really" cared for them.

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this whole season has been throwing away arcs, and not letting characters work toward their motivation. literally the whole series just took a hard left turn into the ditch after drifting into oncoming traffic for the last 4 seasons

When the fuck did the Hound suddenly want to do Clegane bowl? Was this just straight fan service? He literally didn't say shit about it until the last minute. They never set this up as his primary motivation, and I honestly thought he'd just stopped caring about his brother.

2 of Dany's dragons die and Jon won't fucc so she massacres a million civilians after being a "breaker of chains" for 7 seasons?

Vaerys suddenly has a character again, but just dies asap. ok.

The Imp is no longer a real character, just a puppet to get other characters where they need to be to die. Literally devoid of any of the tact or wit from season 1-3.

Kingslayer doesn't stop the battle by killing his sister and gets killed in the genocide at least? Something to reflect his arc since season 1? He just goes "nah fuck all that development I had I'm gonna go do a triple cross"

God damn man. I don't think I've ever seen a series stoop this far down in quality. This show has been a worthless fanfic since season 4.

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The "breaker of chains" literally shoved Jorah into a wight's sword to save herself. She's never been good, and never even been hinted as a wise ruler.

All she knows is force. All she's ever known is "when in doubt, use dragons".

That scene triggered the shit out of me. Tyrion acted like Jaime was always his best friend even though the whole Tysha thing happened.

Any signs of Hoodoo or Voodoo to make Dany cray cray?

Basilik blood poisoning, for instance. Makes ya go nuts. But I heard folks say that in the episode Dany didn't eat for three days prior.

>She's never been good, and never even been hinted as a wise ruler.
she was shown to be extremely compassionate to the abused, and merciless to the tyrannical. instead of applying any of that shit her character has experienced she just decides to become tyrannical. her army is literally made of freed slaves and her former captors.

She's been shown to have a vengeful streak a mile wide, but I agree, it feels forced.

>She's been shown to have a vengeful streak a mile wide, but I agree, it feels forced.
There's nothing "forced" about going mad.

>she was shown to be extremely compassionate to the abused, and merciless to the tyrannical. instead of applying any of that shit her character has experienced she just decides to become tyrannical. her army is literally made of freed slaves and her former captors.
No she literally abandoned all of them to sail to westeros. She had zero compassion as anything more than her "image" she wanted of herself.

get the fuck out tranny

>it feels forced.
"I will take what is mine with fire and blood."
"The Iron Throne is mine and I will take it."
"We will burn cities to the ground."
"I'm not stopping the wheel. I'm breaking it."

Yeah nobody say this coming.

It's still shit but after the pitch dark let down that was the white walkers fight this was at least passably done and we saw lots of action.

Dunno why people are so upset with this. She was pissed off, she lost all but one dragon, everyone betrayed her, and she's a fucking conquer I mean what did people expect? It's not like she's the last strong woman in the show either. If you want to be upset be upset that it's a cliche plot point to have the good character turn bad.

>abandoned all of them to sail to westeros.
i don't think it was ever stated she wanted to rule those people? even before she was going for the throne her and her brother were always planning to go home

>>it feels forced.
>"I will take what is mine with fire and blood."
>"The Iron Throne is mine and I will take it."
>"We will burn cities to the ground."
>"I'm not stopping the wheel. I'm breaking it."
>Yeah nobody say this coming.
Yeah, also she tried to sort of force the "breaker of chains" narrative on a kingdom that didn't even allow slavery.

She only cared about her image. She wasn't saving anyone in westeros. And, like I said, she abandoned all the actual slaves a long time ago.

Stop getting mad about the dragon and titties show.

i predicted it possibly, but I figured we'd see a real arc to get there. This turning point for her basically took about 1.5 episodes to go from benevolent savior returning to take what's hers to "fuck these faggots im burning this bitch down"

>i don't think it was ever stated she wanted to rule those people? even before she was going for the throne her and her brother were always planning to go home
She literally just left them to their fate. Then ran to westeros and is acting like the "breaker of chains" narrative even makes remote sense.

>She didn't want to rule them
She is the only reason they were freed. Without her they are probably quite fucked.

Why wasn't he in the show, lads?

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>She is the only reason they were freed.
Yeah, they might be fucked but I think the mentality of a lot of these free slaves was "i'd rather die fucking up than die in chains," right? What she was did up to landing on westeros was probably morally good, but objectively bad (for a time) for the people she freed.

I'm not saying we shouldn't have seen dany killing civilians, but I was hoping for more than 1.5 episodes for her to go full Anakin.

I think people just saw what they wanted to see in her character. Never got the appeal personally I thought she was a boring character.

>I'm not saying we shouldn't have seen dany killing civilians, but I was hoping for more than 1.5 episodes for her to go full Anakin.
True, but we already knew that it would be rushed going into the episode. You're absolutely right though.

>I think people just saw what they wanted to see in her character. Never got the appeal personally I thought she was a boring character.
Yep. And this reaction might literally lead to people never engineering a plot twist in a female character ever again.

Women wreck everything. Useless. For them Game of Thrones was just "the future is female" porn.

Because of the precedent writing in season 8 and previous seasons? I'm not someone that rationalizes shit writing with dubious far fetched arguments the moment it affects a character I dislike. Those are the same writers that say that "Daenerys just kind of forgot about the iron fleet" and wanted Arya to end the night king "because no one would expect it". It's clear that they just rushed her to the end of her arc without a coherent narrative to support it.

What's annoying about this is that I've suspected for a while that her character arc is going to end with her taking it too far. I was mildly annoyed how so many showfags just kept cheering her on because she indiscriminately burned slave masters even after Hizdahr zo Loraq explained to her that they weren't an ideological monolith.

youtu.be/jFYPuJhyRKk?t=230

But none of this foreshadows a desire to kill innocent people after a city has already surrendered. It's neither an act of desperation nor collateral damage. It's killing for the sake of killing and there was never a point in her entire history as a ruler, no matter how bad her rule may have been, where it was indicated that she liked killing for the sake of killing. It would have made sense if she started flying to the red keep to burn Cersei as revenge for Missandei's execution and the death of her dragon. It would have made sense if she didn't accept the surrender of the royal army because she thought of them as traitors to her claim. All of this would have showcased her misguided sense of justice and willingness to deal in absolutes with those that oppose her if she's not reigned in by her advisors. That would have been how her madness eventually manifested itself, as a compulsive paranoid conqueror with a misguided sense of justice. Instead they just made her the joker. Again, not even Aerys had reasons as bad as Daenerys' to burn King's Landing and that says quite a lot considering his moniker became his legacy.

go back to redbit you fucking faggot. laughing at roasties who deluded themselves into making dany their self-insert mary sue doesn't make someone a /pol/tard

>, where it was indicated that she liked killing for the sake of killing.
SHE WAS MAD.

This was explained as a possibility several times. She became mad. Is that not something that we will allow? Mad is "irrational" by definition. Everyone knew Targaryans could go mad.

We've been told this for 8 seaons now. And then she went mad. Going mad does not imply that you were always mad otherwise you wouldn't "go".

She's mad. That's interesting. She did sort of get pushed to it. She also literally didn't eat or drink for several days.

Its in her blood. She's mad. You mad. Feminists mad.

So sad.

no, but acting like it redeemed itself in the writing department does and there are plenty of people in these threads that deluded themselves into making that argument. I get that the fallout from the episode can be entertaining but that's as far as it goes.

>It's killing for the sake of killing
No, it's terrorism and there is a difference. She didn't do it for sport. It was equal parts revenge and political statement. She's acting the same way she has been acting for at least seven seasons. She had just run out of people to stop her from making a terrible mistake.

>ignores argument made in the post he's replying to by stating something that is already addressed
>reddit spacing
>reads like a youtube comment

really not worth talking to you.

>really not worth talking to you.
You're trying to mad her madness have rationality in it. Was "burn them all!" rational?

*mad -> make

Completely annihilating the political and economic capital of a country you wish to rule it a monumentally retarded idea, not even alexander did that to the Persians.

The episode was shit and rushed not amount of 'triggering libtards' is going to fix it
>Scorpions and the entire fleet now pose no threat at all to a single dragon because it is this sides turn to win and we work on TV logic where the winner must effortlessly destroy the opposition at no cost to themselves.
>'Spymaster' dies after 3 seasons of doing nothing because political intrigue is too hard in a show made on political intrigue.
>Mountain and Hound fight was ok I guess.
>Jon Snow cucked from being relevant again even his own army doesn't listen to him.
>Sana 'the smartest person alive' the 7d chess playing sith lord (who's never actually done anything) apparently had no plan for dealing with dany and now winterfell is safe has dissolved from the show.
>20 minutes of Aria realising the horrors of war so she can be the one to end it
>Cerci has no backup plan or plan at all, also doesn't face any consequences for her actions.
>Euron literally emerges from the sea to mortally wound jamie and die
>Jamie being mortally wounded is irrelevent because he dies secretly in a catacomb without showing any real encumbrance from the wounds.

Absolute minimum they should have had Sansa send aria to 'kill the queen' only for aria to realise she meant daenerys all along and have cerci rig the city with wildfire and when it was obvious she was going to lose bait daenerys into accidentally setting it off in a final act of spite ensuring if she cant rule no one can and that the people would never love daenerys.

>She's never been good
..she also comes from a long line of crazy people.

She'd just get stabbed in the back again like every time she shows mercy, she doesn't deserve it she's a sweet girl you all just pushed her too far

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>not even alexander did that to the Persians.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persepolis

>inb4 Alexander ruled from Macedon
He was already dressing like a Persian and spending all his time with Persians by the time he reached Bactria.

you realize that the post you're replying to literally explained that it's not the way she acted in the past seasons by citing examples, right? She never killed indiscriminately. Ever. This was the first time.

Rationality and a rationale aren't the same thing. Aerys rationale for burning King's Landing was that the city was getting sacked and he wasn't willing to hand it over to those that betrayed him so if he couldn't have the throne no one could have it. He didn't specifically try to blow it up because he wanted civilians to die, he could have done that whenever he wanted. A rationale explains why a person does the thing they do. Aerys didn't just wake up one day and decide to blow up King's Landing. The reason he had wildfire stashed all around the city was because of his paranoia, he wasn't just mad with no rhyme or reason.

>She never killed indiscriminately. Ever.
Tell that to this guy's dad.

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Fair enough I didn't know about the looting, that said it got off pretty lightly compared to Thebes and Tyre.

My point still generally stands he didn't delete the persian capitals because they had political and economic importance.

>After several months, Alexander allowed his troops to loot Persepolis.

he clearly never intended to rule over it.

>he wasn't just mad with no rhyme or reason.
Killing people so that other people can't rule them is pointless and almost pure evil. I cannot even believe you use that as some sort of example.

He literally didn't even have a getaway plan.

>Completely retarded backwards logic considering that her plan is to sit on the Iron Throne and rule over Westeros through King's Landing. You don't raze a city that you plan on conquering as an usurper because you don't have any subjects to rule over and any infrastructure to support your rule. Razing cities was done to strip them of resources to keep your army going and instill fear in future targets so they'd be more likely to surrender. Most successful conquerors weren't able to hold these cities because it would mean that they had to spread their armies thin.

The plan changed when nobody surrendered and even her advisors were losing faith in her. She supposedly barely has an army too, even though they contradict it by making all her troops regenerate.

you ARE on reddit. 4channel is basically reddit at this point no mater what you tell yourself kek

I used that example in my argument here:

She killed his father because of her black and white understanding of morality before Hizdahr explained to her what she'd done. She has no reason to believe that the people she burned in King's Landing did anything to anyone.

>2 of Dany's dragons die and Jon won't fucc so she massacres a million civilians after being a "breaker of chains" for 7 seasons?

There's no chains to break in Westeros. She is the invader bring war and bloodshed just so she can have what she considers her birthright. She is not a humanitarian. She was just lucky that all her enemies could be considered evil in the past and her advisors reined her in. She was always willing to do whatever it took to get what she wanted. Now that her advisors are dead or disgraced it's just her making the decision. This is what Dany was the whole time.

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I liked it, waited for that moment for years.

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>she was shown to be extremely compassionate to the abused, and merciless to the tyrannical.

If she was a humanitarian she'd have stayed in Essos. By invading Westeros she committed to bloody war that could only kill thousands of innocents to get what she wants. She had a throne in Meereen, but it wasn' the right throne.

>She has no reason to believe that the people she burned in King's Landing did anything to anyone.
Of course she did. From where she was standing they were all potential seditioners and would have flocked to Jon as a symbol of liberation. She's not stupid. She knew that it was her last chance to make a lasting impression on the Seven Kingdoms. She said it herself in a previous scene: If it couldn't be love then it would be fear.

Goddamn, D&D. What a pair of retards.

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Dany never killed innocents en masse it was actually a pretty big part of her character that she looked out for the little guy. She was vicious, but her anger was directed at people who opposed her, not random peasants.

Are you fucking retarded? I never said it wasn't evil. The point is that he didn't decide to blow up King's Landing because he wanted to kill a random assortment of civilians, he did it because he had no way out and wanted to take Tywin and his army with him when they sacked the city. It was an act of desperation that had a rationale. And yes, that still makes him mad. But it doesn't make him "randomly burning civilians for fun" mad.

>She has no reason to believe that the people she burned in King's Landing did anything to anyone.

That's not the point anymore. She literally said, "It's fear, then." That is the choice she made. She wants to subjugate Westeros to her will and she will do it through fear. Hence the whole city is annihilated. Now every lord in the realm will band the knee in terror. The war is done because the example is made, and if King's Landing couldn't stop her then nothing would.

She finally snapped and doesn't give a fuck anymore. She doesn't have the luxury of letting her desire to be benevolent and her desire to reclaim the throne exist at the same time.

>Dany never killed innocents en masse it was actually a pretty big part of her character that she looked out for the little guy. She was vicious, but her anger was directed at people who opposed her, not random peasants.

She was just lucky that all her enemies were evil and her advisors found ways to save the innocents.

You take what you can get

>"But it made the SJWs mad so it must be good!"
Whatever you think about the plot twist, (which was awesome), making SJWs mad is super entertaining. 90 minutes of entertainment inspire days more.

>mother of dragons
>has 1 (one) dragon
What did she mean by this?

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I concur

What a bunch of retarded nonsense. If that was her plan she would have just taken the city and executed Jon and either subjugated or killed the northern army.

>If that was her plan she would have just taken the city and executed Jon and either subjugated or killed the northern army.

The North remembers, you silly goose.

So what you're saying is that she would not have taken a target of opportunity over...forcefully subjugating her allies after they pledged their loyalty to her? Uh huh...

If it wasn’t for you, I wouldn’t have survived my childhood. You were the only one who didn’t treat me like a monster. You were all I had.

Again, that makes no sense. If she wants to rule through fear you don't raze the capital unless you plan on using another city as your capital. You go burn the castles of Lords that oppose you and execute people that contest your rule.

the tysha thing never happened in the show
when tyrion left king's landing, he and jaime even hugged. bEsT bRoS fOrEvEr

that's a non-sequitur. If the rationale behind burning civilians is that they could rally behind Jon Snow who is a potential threat to her rule, then she already doesn't consider Jon or the north to be her ally.

i made a "kings landing bbq" compilation with good music, enjoy

youtu.be/sl3U0cEhEBY

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Who gives a fuck.

The only thing sustaining >muh plotlines in the early seasons was the fact it was all based off GRRM's books, and GRRM is a hack whose entire GOT universe is just fan fiction with no overriding story arc or idea of ending. Now that that's completely gone because the fat fuck can't be bothered to finish a story he started before most of Yea Forums were alive HBO is left with an extremely engrossing show with too many plotlines and no idea of what to do with them. So D&D do the logical thing, add as much tits, dragons and blood as possible and up the ante as quickly as possible so they can cash out. The result is blockbuster entertainment with very basic underlying themes (>muh pessimism >muh never-ending wheel >muh power corrupts) but is extremely fun nonetheless. If you expected anything more after Season 6 or so you're fucking delusional. You can enjoy silly things.

>that's a non-sequitur.
Yeah so is "dude bro if she really wanted to be a bitch she would have just burned the north instead" fella.
>If the rationale behind burning civilians is that they could rally behind Jon Snow who is a potential threat to her rule, then she already doesn't consider Jon or the north to be her ally.
Yet she looks like a traitorous whore to the whole country by turning on them over a secret claim to the throne 8 people know about.

But King's landing is a shithole. She can make a new capital like Aegon Targaryan did.

I think people wanted an actual fight

Let me tell ya, Queen Dany!

See, you're pretty good at burning shit to the ground and killing tons of people! So maybe you should have just been the general for some guy who could actually rule!

You wanted to 'break the wheel', but you followed the mold of an ancient dynasty. You wanted to be the one ruler! Even though ruling wasn't your thing! Even though your army was a foreign army! If you're taking a foreign army into a foreign land, you should probably not try to emulate the way they do things. Like trying to have a Hand.

In the end, the Hand shouldn't be this vice president in GoT, but equal, or perhaps even superior to the General! That way, you can do what you do best - burning people with your terrifying dragons! General Dany with, say, High Hand Varys would probably work wonders.

Well, until someone with enough gold hires a chaotic neutral sorceress supreme like me to literally vaporize you and your dragons off the map!

I guess in the end you gotta realize what your strengths and weakneeses are. You're in high fantasy, it's ok to be a crazy warlord! But without a man or woman capable of ruling as a partner, you're pretty much fucked!

You really could have been loved, General Dany! Songs about your glory could have been sung! But you didn't want to be General, you wanted to be both a Conqueror and a Queen, without having the capacity to be a Queen. I know things seem bad at the moment, but don't worry. My Chaotic Neutral facebook buddy Bronn is on his way to KL's, and he has a bolt to solve all your problems!

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This, it is written

I didn't enjoy this episode either (I haven't even particularly enjoyed GoT since S4), but to it's credit- Dany going full Mad-Targ and killing everything with fire feels like the first thing in the entire past two or three seasons that feels like something GRRM actually came up with and will happen in the books, as opposed to D&D's shitty fanfiction.
Hell, it's been foreshadowed since Season/Book 2, and is the first indication since then that the show writers remembered the House of the Undying vision was actually a thing.

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It was 100%, always bad. Other authors feel insulted that they have to share a stage with that fucker whenever they have a talk. Shoe-eating fuckface that he is.

The thing you like is shit.

Are you fucking retarded? How does burning the population of King's Landing not alienate her allies after they specifically agreed on sparing civilians when the bells rang? If she sees Jon as a threat to her rule because of people rallying behind him even after she sacked the city then her primary threat is Jon Snow and the northerners. You're incapable making a logically coherent argument for why it makes sense.

If she kills the population of King's Landing Jon is still a threat to her rule. The situation hasn't changed. When Robert took King's Landing he didn't hunt down every potential Targaryan loyalist, he tried to kill every remaining Targaryan so they couldn't contest his rule by rallying people behind them. If Daenerys considers Jon a threat then burning people in King's Landing does absolutely nothing about the Jon Snow situation.

So the city had the caped Lannister Elite troops/ officers that got wasted in minutes.

What gives? I was expecting more from them. They only sent 12 guys to hold the gate too.

And then there's the Golden company. What a waste of potential.

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Kys retard

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>How does burning the population of King's Landing not alienate her allies
How many allies does she have exactly? She already knows there's a seditious plot against her and that Sansa took an active role in instigating it. The problem is there's nothing she can do about it. She's fucked, her hands are tied, and she was emotionally unstable as-is. There was only one option to retain control of her claim: Torch the city and terrorize Westeros into submission.
>If she sees Jon as a threat to her rule because of people rallying behind him even after she sacked the city then her primary threat is Jon Snow and the northerners.
So what's she going to do about it, especially since she loves him? What genius solution to this problem do you think she was going to come up with all on her lonesome while still in a rage about her closest friend being executed and one of her dragon children getting perforated right in front of her?
>You're incapable making a logically coherent argument for why it makes sense.
Yeah alright there chief I'll go ahead and write you a ten page dissertation and logic proof about the emotional instability of a violence-prone monarch who has exercised extreme violence in order to consolidate her power before.
>If Daenerys considers Jon a threat then burning people in King's Landing does absolutely nothing about the Jon Snow situation.
It makes the people fear her more than they love Jon Snow and that's all that matters. She controls life and death. She strikes the killing blow on a prostrated enemy. She is the Queen, not a queen.

>How many allies does she have exactly? She already knows there's a seditious plot against her and that Sansa took an active role in instigating it. The problem is there's nothing she can do about it. She's fucked, her hands are tied, and she was emotionally unstable as-is. There was only one option to retain control of her claim: Torch the city and terrorize Westeros into submission.

Again, you don't torch the capital to do that, you go to the surrounding cities and execute the remaining Lannister loyalists. What you're suggesting to be her reasoning pants-on-head retarded, especially since none of it was foreshadowed.

>So what's she going to do about it, especially since she loves him? What genius solution to this problem do you think she was going to come up with all on her lonesome while still in a rage about her closest friend being executed and one of her dragon children getting perforated right in front of her?

The same retarded solution you're suggesting for the rest of her conquest. I'm bringing YOUR argument to its logical conclusion. If she wants to rule through fear and intimidation Jon Snow will always be a threat. If her definition of fear and intimidation is to indiscriminately torch civilians she might as well just get it over with and kill Jon and subjugate the north with fire and blood. Their armies are gone and they have nothing that can deal with her remaining dragon.

>Yeah alright there chief I'll go ahead and write you a ten page dissertation and logic proof about the emotional instability of a violence-prone monarch who has exercised extreme violence in order to consolidate her power before.

"lmao it doesn't need to make sense she's just unstable"

Also, we've already established that the way she "consolidated her power before" wasn't randomly executing civilians.

>Again, you don't torch the capital to do that, you go to the surrounding cities and execute the remaining Lannister loyalists.
Yeah she's really been known for her restraint and political acumen after years of people warning her she was going overboard. Come on man you're being ridiculous now. She's not going to start a fucking Inquisition to wipe out loyalists. She's Danaerys Stormborn of House Targaryan and she's going to take what's hers with fire and blood.
>If she wants to rule through fear and intimidation Jon Snow will always be a threat. If her definition of fear and intimidation is to indiscriminately torch civilians she might as well just get it over with and kill Jon and subjugate the north with fire and blood.
So she's going to kill the only man she's loved since Drogo? I find that highly unlikely. Instead she attempted to establish dominance through cruelty presumably under the impression that if Jon really did love her back then he would fall in line. Also, again, she wasn't exactly in a stable and calm state of mind to begin with.
>Also, we've already established that the way she "consolidated her power before" wasn't randomly executing civilians.
Except she did because she crucified people without actually looking into who they were or how the local politics worked. She just rolled in, fucked shit up, took control, and started dictating her will. Sound familiar?

You're wrong. Dany has always arbitrarily deemed anyone who opposed her as the enemy. She realized the westerosi would never want someone like her on the throne

It redeemed itself by going back to the source material. The logic is still fucked though

Thank you fren

Agreed and based-pilled

Part of this is the writing, but part of it is also that emilia clarke couldn't put emotional depth into her character if she tried and it's mostly because she is completely not in control of her emotions, which you can see from the extremes of emotions in non-show clips.

Therefor she always played it as flat good kind of character.

listen, you've inserted your own interpretation of her reasoning for burning civilians and I've argued that point with examples of how you're wrong. I don't even accept that to be her motivation and neither do the dumbasses that wrote the show.

youtu.be/5W8j6wOvxuo?t=201

Your rationalization makes no sense. I've told you why it doesn't make sense and your only defense for it boils down to asserting that Daenerys erratic behavior somehow also makes her act against the reason and logic you've laid out according to which she supposedly made that decision.

>Except she did because she crucified people without actually looking into who they were or how the local politics worked. She just rolled in, fucked shit up, took control, and started dictating her will. Sound familiar?

She crucified slave owners because she lacked the necessary nuance to understand that not every slave owner was an irredeemable monster. You're wrong if you think she knowingly crucified people that she suspected to be innocent. You're using motivated reasoning to retrofit something that demonstrates a different point, a point I've already made. She thought that the people she crucified were guilty. Intention vs effect. The King's Landing situation doesn't have a discrepancy between intention and effect, her intention is to burn people regardless of whether they're innocent or not. That doesn't mirror the crucifix situation.

The civilians of King's Landing haven't opposed her nor does she think they do.

>gf absolutely despised Stannis
>Got mad when I said he was the best character
>LITERALLY almost break up with me because she couldn't understand how I liked him
>Epik Dani kills thousands of Innocents
>Doesn't give a shit

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>The civilians of King's Landing haven't opposed her nor does she think they do.
she KNOWS they don't

>season1 ep 1
>jamie finds tyrion and says "the feast is coming, there is no time, i brought your four more sluts"
>dungeon scene where they bqnter about mental retard KER DUNK Lannister cousin
>that time they met on the down low through Bronn and Ser Davos
They've been broheims to each other throughout the entire lives, why would he be butthurt about Tywin's punishment when an attempt to get his deformed brother escalated...

Um bells are pretty triggering sweetie

And Stannis burnt people to death, that's not very nice

>Your rationalization makes no sense.
You mean how everything she is doing right now she has done before in more specific circumstances? Look dude, you can say this is rushed and I'll agree with you. They should have had her go ham two years ago. But you're demanding logic proof for the irrational reactionary rage-induced mass murder perpetrated by a dictator that has been screaming about burning cities since at least season 2. I don't know what more you want.

>You mean how everything she is doing right now she has done before in more specific circumstances?

I explained why she hasn't. With examples.

>But you're demanding logic proof for the irrational reactionary rage-induced mass murder perpetrated by a dictator that has been screaming about burning cities since at least season 2.

As an unsubstantiated and desperate threat against the rulers of Qarth who didn't let her or as a rallying cry for the Dothraki because of Drogo's speech.
You realize how I know these are unsubstantiated threats? Because she hasn't done it once when she had three grown dragons. She never ever used them indiscriminately against civilians. That doesn't mean her usage of them was reasonable or measured. The way she used them as a deterrent against the masters was cruel. But that doesn't have anything to do with razing cities and randomly burning innocents after the city already surrendered.

As I've said before, you're using motivated reasoning. It really doesn't resemble a coherent argument considering how shitty the writing has been throughout this season.

The fine minds of /pol/.

She realized the people of Westeros don't and won't love her, she's an outsider and everyone is fond of Jon. So she decided to instill fear into them instead, at the cost of thousands of lives, as well as just being angry that she lost so much. She was entitled throughout the whole series and aside from losing Drogo and a few friends, she was unstoppable throughout most of the series. Once she reached Westeros, she lost 2 dragons, Jorah, Missandei, half her army, Varys betrayed her, and she found out she's not even the true heir.

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based

>I explained why she hasn't. With examples.
Whereas I challenged your samples with additional details relevant to them, like how she indiscriminately killed members of an entire social caste for crimes they didn't commit.
>She never ever used them indiscriminately against civilians.
Because her threats always worked.
>It really doesn't resemble a coherent argument considering how shitty the writing has been throughout this season.
Look I can tell we're not going to come to an agreement here. I'm not going to say it was masterful writing because it wasn't. But there were plenty of personal reasons and drives that led her to this point and she finally became what she had always threatened to be.

you fucked up, one of the posts you linked contained an actual argument

I need the rest of those Show vs. Book meme, pls.

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BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD

Danny finally found Khorne. In stead of threatening to burn people like Cersei (she had bombs planted everywhere), the actually did it, the gods are most pleased

DANY CLAPSBACK ON INNOCENT WOMEN AND CHILDREN IN NEW GAME OF THRONES EPISODE

>Whereas I challenged your samples with additional details relevant to them, like how she indiscriminately killed members of an entire social caste for crimes they didn't commit.

you literally ignored the post that refuted that assertion. I explained to you what dinstinguishes intention from effect. Her intention was never to kill innocents, she only realized that that's what she did after it was explained to her by Hizdahr. She didn't approve of her actions after she realized what she'd done which was the entire reason why she tolerated Hizdahr on her council.

>Because her threats always worked.

No they didn't. The sons of the harpy consisted out of recruited Meereenese civilians. When Barristan Selmy was murdered by them she didn't just let her dragons fly over the city to randomly burn houses.

>Look I can tell we're not going to come to an agreement here. I'm not going to say it was masterful writing because it wasn't. But there were plenty of personal reasons and drives that led her to this point and she finally became what she had always threatened to be.

And I am telling you that you're ignoring the core of my argument. I don't care that her character arc concluded in her going mad, I already stated that I always considered that to be an option many seasons ago. I am telling you that the way it happened in the show is nonsensical garbage because the brand of madness she displays is uncharacteristic. Her hatred would be entirely directed towards Sansa, Tyrion and Jon because their behavior is what undermines her claim to the throne.

Also, you conveniently ignore that I linked to the inside the episode video that doesn't even remotely indicate that she wanted to burn those civilians because she thought they would somehow rally behind Jon if she left them alive. Or that she did so in order to make the rest of Westeros fall in line. Their reasoning boils down to "Daenerys remembers what terrible things were done to her family". Complete nonsense

It was easily the best episode THIS season.
Euron's fleet didn't even manage to teleport away from the fire.

Sexual release.