Cleganebowl happened

oberyn vs the mountain was the superior fight.

All this to kill a zombie.

I hope someone makes a JoJo edit of this

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Yeah it was fucking gross but I thought it was an interesting twist on the cleganebowl idea

Because so far I'm pretty sure people thought cleganebowl was honorable combat and the hound easily kills the mountain, goes home and lives happily ever after with Sansa/Arya

>Oberyn went the exact same
Oberyn played with his food instead of going for the killing blow, which would have been to behead the fucker or stab him through the heart.
Instead he did neither and the Mountain was able to get a second wind.

It's already in one of the other 50 threads.

We all know why Sandor hates Gregor. Why does Gregor hate Sandor so much?

He played with his toys as a child.

He's zombie. Zombies hate people.

I wish Sandor would have used fire to end the fight in a more direct way. That would have been a great out for his character.

He's just a dick

Wasn't it kind of important it was fire, Sandor was afraid of fire because his brother wounded him with fire as a child and now he killed his, now zombie-brother, using fire while sacrificing himself also overcoming his greatest fear.

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He's a violent psychopath and (before the recasts) was inhumanly tall and strong. He just wants to unleash his cruelty and butcher people.
Sandor being his brother isn't anything more than proximity.

What was up with that stupid editing jesus fuck

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Whoa like pottery

Who cares? Revenge is pointless. If Sandor had just left he'd be getting his dick wet while his stupid-ass brother would be buried 30ft undergound.

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That's wrong tho.
Oberyn had the fight won. He just gloated instead of killing him like a retard

Why so many cuts? Fucks sake

>serving as a warning to Arya

Arya did not witness the fight though.

stfu you faggots it was perfect

only good thing about this episode

>ywn savagely dick down a disgusting pug girl that looks up to you like a father
why, lord

Dany going full Hitler was amazing too.

Sheev'd

WHEN IS IT BE FEDOR VS TODOR
WHEN GEORGY WHEN

One cut would pe perfectly enough
youtube.com/watch?v=X8rb0N_Goq8

The bowl was meh because the fight was mostly pointless. Just fan service since hound is popular, but ultimately filler distraction

And the part where Jon Snow flips out. I love where he hold a fellow northman at swordpoint and stares at him like "hey fuckhead, are you really gonna make me do this?"

kino

It makes no sense from a story point of view and no amount of pathos from the Hound's good performance will change that.

The Hound has literally never wanted revenge. They try to depicted him as some broken man twisted by revenge, it's what he yells at Arya, but he's never wanted revenge and spends all his time in the show fucking off from his brother and KL. He doesn't even get his scar because of some botched pursuit of revenge; his brother just did it when they were kids. Clegane's character was about his grimy pragmatism being at odds with the romanticized view of the usual chivalric knights. He steps in to stop Loras from getting murdered, he stops Sansa from getting raped and tries his best to protect Arya, but he's coarse and ugly and also followed his lord's orders to do bad things
When he's left for dead, he lives his life as a peasant doing menial work trying to find satisfaction in doing small everyday good deeds until the plot sends Beric to tell him Good needs him to fight zombies.

Cleganebowl needed to be framed as Sandor resolving some aspect of his character arc. Protecting Arya after she gets stopped by the Mountain when trying to assassinate Cersei, or something like that, would have been much better, but it needs to be written up to rather than him just making a beeline to Cleganebowl because the writers remembered seeing those memes.

Plus, the "It's like poetry; it rhymes" moment with fire is retarded. It's not like he braves fire to fight his brother and his death in fire, not to it since that was definitely the fall, wasn't really something he even thought about since he tackles his brother through a wall and doesn't even see the fire.

Man, i remember people going apeshit because a character (apparently) killed a kid so easily.

cute post

This. Well said.

someone has to make a webm of the behind the scenes, where Rory just spits, grunts and coughs after every take because Hafþór was too strong

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>Clegane's character was about bla bla bla
Are you telling the authors of the story what THEIR character was about? lmao

This

Probably would've squished it into the right proportions.

>7 camera cuts
This reminded me of youtu.be/gCKhktcbfQM

no i didn't want it
sandor had his redemption, he was no longer consumed by hate, he was no longer the hound
it's a step back for the character arch

post it then

People that were saying this was good... Get a grip, how exactly did Sandor face his fear of fire again? He couldn't even see it was down there you dense cunts.

Honestly, if you think this was a satisfying pay off for this character you might actually be certifiably retarded.

maybe, but after all that stuff with the dead family, sansa, arya, the brotherhood... it was a satisfying conclusion but it felt like regression to me.

Holy shit that is bad
>04 touches the wall, clearly broke through
>05 different perspective, still tackling
Its like that scene from Seagal movie
youtube.com/watch?v=ypMTI6FwCUU

Listening to D&D in their behind the scenes they seem to always be terrified that people get bored if they stay in a scene for too long. Cleganebowl had a kino setting and some parts of the fight were pretty nice. Like the mountain just parrying a couple of swordswings with his hand but they kept moving in and out of that fight. In the early seasons when there was a duel they would stay on that fight uninterrupted and do less cuts, but th e constant switching to Arya just ruined the whole thing.

>not fun
>full of meme quips like "fucking die already"

yeah I though he abandoned it when he lived in that peaceful commune. I guess he reverted when they got slaughtered, but I never bought it.
I fought he would end up having to fight his brother in the end through circumstances, not "we have to fight now bro lol"

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That meme got old 4 years ago. There isn't any weight to it anymore, Gregor is just a zombie now

Sandor is pretty much epic maymay guy, and that's fine, I always enjoyed that about his character but this is his brother, the same brother he was uncomfortable talking about to anyone, ever, just look at the discomfort he feels opening up about it with Arya in season 4. He treats him like just another person to kill in this scene though, like he has nothing to say to the person who fucked up his face and life whatsoever? Nothing of note? What a godawful end to this character arc.

>I fought he would end up having to fight his brother in the end through circumstances, not "we have to fight now bro lol"
me too user,best end for his arch was having him live a simple life away from the madness, if they absolutely needed to kill him then he should have died protecting arya
not some sort of revenge that was never mentioned before
hell he fought his brother before when protecting loras and never tried to swing at his brother's unarmored head

You forget when he takes off his helmet and he tells him "that's what you've always been" calling his brother an evil monster

that's a good fucking question, why did it trigger him so much? I always thought that gregor didn't really give a shit about sandor, why would seeing him restore his humanity? or was he faking it for the last 4 seasons?

He meant Sansa

Looking back, the moment D&D couldn't just ctrl+c, ctrcl+v shit from the books is when this show died. Their handling of the hound post book adaption was astoundingly bad, it's like the had genuinely unique ideas in mind but lacked the talent to execute them properly and were too up their own arses to recognise this.

Having the hound regress back to his vengeful self would have been FINE, if the character actually said anything of fucking consequence after this happened, I swear to God, re watching the series really made me realise how ass ravaged the dialogue became as soon as they ran out of book content, nothing but C grade action scenes with the occasional line of dialogue since then.

>but he's never wanted revenge
>He doesn't even get his scar because of some botched pursuit of revenge; his brother just did it when they were kids.
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

They sacrificed his arc and set him back by 8 seasons in order to finish Arya’s appropriately. I don’t personally think it was worth it.

True, still underwhelming. Honestly, given that the books have yet to acknowledge he is still alive a true 'subversion' for the character would be to leave him dead, I genuinely expect that to be the case in the books, seeing as D&D have openly admitted to shoehorning in characters that make normies watch.

The staircase was very narrow, it wouldn't make for a good long take. Apparently they went with "nice view" instead of good camera work.

Massive facts, Cleaganbowl has always been a cringey fucking meme

He was never even that vengeful. He had an opportunity to kill his brother before and showed no interest in kinslaying
>Thrice Ned saw Ser Gregor aim savage blows at the hound’s-head helmet, yet not once did Sandor send a cut at his brother’s unprotected face.

While I like to think that Mountain is kind of man who doesn't give a fuck, I can also buy premise of how Hound's reputation got nearly as close as to his and the Hound is consistently mentioned as one of the top fighters in Westeros, while to him he's a bitch ass pussyboy. To him Sandor was just a bug and he wanted to see if he presses that bug full force now if it'll be able to do anything about it. Would you try to squish a bug if someone told you there's a chance it might lift you up and throw you instead? That was his last chance to find out.

read the books brainlet. d&d fucked up

And he never once seeks revenge for it. What's your point? He hates his brother, but that doesn't mean he ever swore an oath of vengeance and spent his time trying to get back at him. He spends all his time in the show actively avoiding his brother.

Even when he's given a chance to kill his brother, when he hulks out during a competition and tries to kill Loras, he only steps in and tries to subdue his brother, immediately dropping to a knee the moment Bobby B tells them to stop despite the Mountain still trying to take his head off.

god early season sandor was unimaginably based. it shouldn’t have ended this way

It would have only made sense if Arya told him she was planning to kill Cersei. Then Sandor could have had a reason to go against the Mountain because he knew Arya could have never defeated him by herself.

It was cheesy and forced.

YEET

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he just got revenge for it. are you stupid?

reminder that when defending Loras it is noted that Sandor never went for a killing blow on the mountain even though it would have been perfectly acceptable to do so, only ever blocking, dodging and hitting at his armor.

>never pursued revenge in prior seasons
>only does it this episode
>but he just got revenge !!!1!!!
I can’t tell if you’re a troll or actually a drooling retard

Someone make an edit where Qyburn has second thoughts about Clegain bowl after hyping it up for so long because it just feels so forced but the mountain just throws him out of the way. I would make it but i'm not cringe enough to make memes.

The thing about Sandor's character arc is that he actually didn't go backwards when Ian McShane died. I mean, think about it, even before McShane died Sandor was prepping on fighting Brotherhood's thugs, he still believe force should be answered with force. However, he did change drastically, he joined the fire worshipping fuckers, became bros with Berric (as bros as Hound can be), buried father and daughter he felt responsible for, gained fucking fear of death when he was cowering during Longish Night and finally said Arya to her face not to become like him. The only backwards thing Sandor did was Cleganebowl, really Sandor should've knocked out Arya and get her out of the fray. Ideally Cleganebowl should've happened by accident afterwards, like Cersei and Mountain with Jaime actually making it out of there and just happened to cross paths with Hound and Arya.

in season 4 he even talks to arya about how much he hates his brother and his family because they betrayed him, and says that hate is the only reason hes still living
in season 6 the priest talks to him about not being so hateful and vengeful
in season 7 he says to the mountain "you know whos coming for you", meaning himself

If I remember correctly, in the books it's stated that Gregor suffers from terrible migraines and makes him permanently stuck in rage mode.

I could easily be mistaken though, it's been fucking almost ten years now.

BIGGEST PART OF CLEGANEBOWL IS THE TRIAL SINCE REAL MOUNTAIN ALREADY DED

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I imagine their relationship from the moment he grilled Sandor's face to throughout their adulthood was not that great. Sandor probably made it apparent he fucking hates him and it sort of showed by him being immediately ready to throw down with Gregor at the tourney. I don't if Gregor hates Sandor as much as Sandor hates him, but he's definitely aware of it and probably relishes in that fact.

In Season 4 he’s escorting a child across the riverlands instead of trying to fight his brother or otherwise fuck him over. His hatred helped him survive but he’s pursuing other goals (Arya’s safety).
In Season 6, Sandor is learning to let go of his anger. The death of Ray and his flock fucks him up but he’s clearly gained new empathy since he befriends Beric and buries the peasants whose deaths he feels responsible for. He listened to the priest, learned from him, and it helped him become a better man.
That line in Season 7 was hamfisted foreshadowing for a fight that never should have happened the way it did.

it’s implied that greg murdered their dad and sister too, there’s just something wrong with that guy

Underrated

>died stupidly
>they didn’t even let him fuck
It’s bullshit

It was pretty hype to be honest. I wasn't a fan of the cutting to Arya and then to Sandor back and forth but other than that I got everything I hoped for. Most certainly the best part of the episode, especially if you include his farwell with Arya

It was a prank bro

you mean queensguard

>people wanting Cleganebowl with zombie Gregor
fuck outta here, if pic related was still with us, then it'd be a good fight.

THE HOUND FIGHTING MICHAEL MEYERS IS JUST BORING

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>you can only pursue 1 goal at a time
come on dont be retarded
season 6 was also about him finding a reason to fight besides fighting for himself
the fight happening out of the blue was stupid, but it would have been a massive blueball if they never fought at all

He pulled a Spike Spiegel and I still don't know how I feel about it.

Sandor is probably one of the few if not the only person who stood up to him and survived, excluding high lords of course.

Based

You're right, but I think he was well insane before the migraines. He does have migraines but it's implied they happened later into his career as a knight after taking numerous blows to the head.

Did they recast him a fourth time? I wasn't sure in this episode with that fucked up face of his

The mountain had the high ground. What the hell was Sandor thinking?

despite apperances the hound still had a code of honor and did not want to be a monster like his brother. thats why he never casually murdered him in his sleep or killed him at the tournament. theres a quote where somebody addresses him as "ser sandor" and he gets pissed because the moment a monster like his brother was knighted he became extremely disillusioned with knighthood

post webms

He explicitly AVOIDS killing his brother even when he has the chance and then ditches the whole fucking city to return a lost goblin to her family, it’s clear that one goal is more important to him than the other.
I would have been happy if Cleganebowl happened differently and he died defending someone or sacrificed himself to help the rest of the characters. Would also have been happy if they never fought because I care more about fulfilling resolutions to decade-long narratives than I do about Reddit memefights.

they put a bodysuit on top of him to make him look like a bloated corpse

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I'm talking about what he said to her before that.

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He looks like an overgrown baby compared to the first actor.

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>the Mountain is literally Angron

He's probably still pissed Sandor saved Loras and fought him evenly.

Almost perfect. Need to up the color on the Cleganes though

What? The entire point was that revenge was never a part of his character. Hate doesn't equal revenge. The closest he ever comes to talking about revenge against his brother is when Arya is talking about her list and Sandor says, "Huh. Hate's a good motivator. Maybe we come across my brother and we can both cross a name off our lists." But then Arya asks what he'd do if the Mountain was there right then. Sandor says something about telling him to shut up so he can sleep and that's the end of it.

Sandor hates the world because of what it's done to him. He breaks down when asking Arya to kill him and says he has no happy memories. The world has been cruel to him and he's cruel to it. Sort of. His nobility leaks out all the time, despite him trying to hide it.

And sadly the first actor was a literal baby which forced them to recast him

AAAAAAAAAGHGHGHGHGHGHGH HELP ME /GOT/ REDDIT LIED CLEGANEBOWL ISN'T EPIC AT ALL-

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Not him, but Sandor found his purpose by fighting for the Lord of Light against the Night King. With that done he has nothing to live for so why not get revenge against the man who ruined his life?

Almost looks like
m.youtube.com/watch?v=0hyM-4iBn4w

Honestly I always figured Sandor would have won pretty easily prior to Mountain's resurrection. Shit look at the fight in season 1, Hound styles on him in front of everyone. Even Oberyn only lost because he got too cocky and stood to close to him.

>He's probably still pissed Sandor saved Loras
Now what, that's my headcanon now. It's simplistic, but surprisingly works.
>WHO THE FUCK IS THIS BITCH ASS NIGGA TO STOP FROM KILLING WHOM I WANT TO KILL
>AW FUCK, IT'S MY BITCH ASS LITTLE BROTHER

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go back to your country

>His nobility leaks out all the time
That’s a really strange way to put it but yeah, pretty much. Despite his best efforts to seem callous and brutal he actually cares about people and learns to stop seeing that as a weakness. His is my favorite arc apart from Jaime’s, up until last night

AV Club gave the episode a 9.5/10 sorry incels but the episode was EPIC and the Cleganeb Owl was the best part.

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I thought he'd fight with Berric's flaming sword desu.

>left to play some big bad in the hobbit
>got became huge
>his character was swapped by some shitty cgi
>back to doing c-list movies
lmao

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If they wanted to write that he literally has nothing and is lost (the same place he was before with Ian McShane around), so he kamikazes the Mountain, whatever, fine. It's still shit, but don't have him yell "THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU LIVE YOUR ENTIRE LIFE FOR REVENGE". Because he hasn't sought revenge until like two episodes prior.

Since Gregor was the last of the undead, does this make Sandor technically Ahai?

What did he mean by this?

His life isn’t that ruined. He has friends, a potato-faced surrogate daughter, and since Sansa seems to want his dick she’d probably give him a job if he asked for one. At least in the books he seems to have found God, too, which is another motivator to stay alive. The burn scars and the PTSD are obstacles but they aren’t insurmountable

>insurmountable

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Thats just shit writing, not a character missrepresentation
Book Sandor is actually just like that for 3 entire books, Dabid probably wanted to cram that in in 2 chapters and expect people not to notice

Oh man that last line nearly had me in tears. Fuck dabid for ruining his ending.

mountain is overrated because of the tard strength. sandor is underrated in-universe because everyone is racist against him for not being a knight

first post,best post

I don't understand why Cleganebowl happened. I don't understand why Sandor went into a falling city to kill his brother.

>b-but scar, fire
that was all there and true when this show began. even in season 1 - he fights his brother then to protect that homo. Now he wasn't protecting Sansa or anything.. he just fought him.. because. I just don't get it.

>so long gay Bowser

There was no Ahai you absolute pleb. Why are you /got/ fags so obsessed with this shitty prophecy?

It's not really about the scars. His brother basically destroyed him psychologically. He says it to Arya, that the worst thing was that his own brother did it to him and his father protected him.

good post. fuck this show

b&rp
they went backwards with Sandor's arc just like with Jaime's.
Fuck DnD

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Why the fuck would the hound enter the mission beyond the wall if he just wants to kill his brother? They should have had a throwaway scene after berics death/siege of winterfell in which he ponders the fact that he lost his purpose of living again.

>and not fun

Fuck you OP it was awesome

no it's not you dumbass it's implied it's part of his gigantism

Both, they really don't know but I like the belief he has CTE more.

Personally (controversial opinion), I think he's taller. It's a good time to be grateful that the spoiler function exists

An unarmored space marine is on average about 6'10/210cm (verifiable by google), and the average primarch "towers" above the marines by a head (and a half sometimes) (verifiable by wasting a decade of your life reading 40k trash), which is kind of 10 inches/25cm, so your average primarch is seven foot something, whereas the mountain is close to eight feet (2.5m ish) of pure human muscle, which sets him above primarchlets

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That would've been so much better.

I think he overcomes some of that as the story progresses. He’s trying to find a better family than the one he had, and he doesn’t get that in the Lannisters, but he does find that with the Starks. The fact his own sigil is a dog to the Stark’s direwolf is also kind of interesting - he’s finally found people who also know what it’s like to suffer and are at least kind of similar to him.

how long before bj goes full mountain and burns his wife’s face off

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he was a ragetard murderer even as a child it's obvious he didn't just get a bloody concussion you damn wikifag

disturbing and not fun??

it was the best part. idc about the rivalry but that fight only had 1 issue. not immediately stabbing the mountain through the eye. who cares it still happened.

The migraines and his psychopathy are different things imo, the migraines just feed into it.

If I had to make it, I'd start everything exactly the same (with Hound fucking dispatching Kingsguard like little boys) except once he lets Cersei leave he ignites the sword, eventually puts it through Gregor and catches him on fire. But even that doesn't kill Gregor. Everything is still the same except Gregor is on fire, so when Gregor picks up Sandor to gouge his eyes out the knife wound actually makes him stop and fall and he falls into the dragon fire without Sandor. However, Sandor doesn't survive, he's unable to move and all of his face is covered in terrible burns as this is the path he had chosen. Whether he died due to Red Keep's collapse or from burns is up to debate.

dnd literally use the term "cleganebowl" in the behind the scenes video, there doesn't need to be a reason other than memes

So Sandor and Arya really did ride for weeks to King's Landing, to probably get themselves killed, for no good reason?

OMG SUCH EPIK

This has been the norm for every action sequence since like season 5

That's even funnier for Arya, she did absolutely nothing.

This bothered me as well. Honestly, all my favorite characters were handled poorly in their end, and Hound is probably the most annoying of them. At some point for no real reason he up and decides that the only thing he wants in life is to kill the Mountain. No scenes to help push along this craving in him, nothing like that. I for the longest time assumed the Mountain would have Arya cornered or something, and Sandor would be the one to save her and get the benefit of killing his brother, but I really didn't think he'd survive a war with the undead just to say "ok now my brother".

It also bothered me that he didn't receive any acknowledgement from anyone but Arya (and only kind of) that he was a good person. I feel like most people have treated him like a huge dumb, mean hunk of shit the entire series, and despite doing a few "morally wrong" things here and there, he was an incredibly good person, and nobody really knew it. To me, some legit resolution to his arc would be people finally realizing that about him.

No it's still him, kinda sucks that all he did since season 4 was sit in a suit of armor

>Is this not what you wanted?
No, I never wanted shitty fanservice. Cleganebowl should have never been a thing.

I had warmed to the mercy kill idea that was in a fake leak. Think that would have been a neat S U B V E R T E D moment.

The fact that nobody is talking about it is all the proof you need to know it was good.
If it was a disappointment it would be the leading topic of discussion here.

>ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?

HOLY QUINTS
The power of accumulated brain damage

You are unsatisfied because Sandor was unsatisfied with it. He realized this was not his brother anymore, just a manifestation of Sandor's hate for his brother. A hate that no matter what Sandor did or experienced he could not kill. He did the only thing he could to kill his hate, die.

Sansa was nice to him but that’s standard, she was pretty nice even back when he worked for Joff. Beric? Fuck

Hitler never did anything like that, but the Allies did in Dresden.

>the only way to heal from your childhood trauma is death
Jesus Christ is this true? Should I an hero?

He was filming the hobbit and wanted to come back to got but dabid said no. Hardly a baby.

THIS, Fucking missing opportunity

“Mercy kill, last shot of Sandor is him building a house in the woods” was the best leak even though I never thought it would happen

>this scene is supposed to be unsatisfying and nonsensical, therefore it is good
Being bad on purpose isn’t an excuse user

>it's over Sandor I have the high ground

Because it was literally a meme from the start and nothing more. The Hound never gave a shit about his brother, in neither book nor show, he served in King's Landing for several years without thinking about revenge, then fucks off with Arya, then lives with his peasant friend, then goes north with Beric because muh plot vision.

Then suddenly, the writers forgot what to do with him, so they just follow the Cleganebowl memes and suddenly his entire purpose in life is retroactively to get revenge on his brother. It was fanservice of the worst level.

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I don't know what you were reading but Astartes are minimum 7ft 600lbs, unarmoured.

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>The fact that nobody is talking about it is all the proof you need to know it was good.
>If it was a disappointment it would be the leading topic of discussion here.
this

You don't live your life as a human meat cleaver, so no.

I don't think it was nonsensical. He was depressed. Everyone he knew and befriended was dead. He was not happy even before that. He decided to die, as he told Arya. No one could snap him out of it, they tried.

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In the show season one he leapt at the chance to kill his brother when he attacked the fairy knight.

Oh you sweet, sweet summer child
Deathwatch says that "whilst wearing their power armour, an unarmed Space Marine typically stands slightly over 2.1 metres tall". The current Codex: Chaos Space Marines says Marines "stand seven feet tall"

By the way according to that, an average primaris astartes is as big as the average primarch

don't hate me, hate the brits who wrote it

k

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rewatch the scene
youtube.com/watch?v=VaIwtO6VWCU
no he didn't, he was just defending Loras. All he does is block the Mountain's blow at first, he doesn't attack him and he immediately stopped fighting him the moment Bobby B. called it off.

This

I don't mind the way this went down. Couldn't envision it happening any other way really and still having some sort of satisfaction.

Only thing that irks me is that it had a bit of a Deathly Hollows 2 feel to it.

>>C'mon Gregor, lets finish this the way it started...TOGETHER!

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Primarch are like 10-14 feet my dude.

Check the lesser pathetic men acting as slave to their masters/gods who are also the pinnacle of men.

Also those bald fuckers are likely what you would consider chad but next to Primarchs they are literally nothing.

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Oh for fucks sake everything has to be fucking Jojo.

even now i could cut through the five of you like carving a cake

I wanted Sandor to use a torch and make a retarded forced quip about how his zombie brother would now die like wights died, by fire

nice quints bud

He didn't fly so good

the problem is that it was a tie

no winners, that's like having blue balls

Well put user.

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>Cleganebowl, one of the most beloved memes birthed from GOT, built up for eight goddamn years to be a spectacular battle on par with Luke and Darth Vader
>This... compact fucking space lasting for about two minutes... is the entirety... of Cleganebowl

FUCK YOU D&D. YOUR SUCH FUCKING HACKS ITS NOT EVEN FUNNY

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>muh 6 million dresdens

It was not very good, kind of boring.

>he doesnt know
Sorry but it turns out the Emperor's engineering is less divine than we figured. Alpharius/Omegon, the shorty primarchs, were closer to 6'10 than anything past 7 feet, because any alpha legionnaire could say "I am Alpharius" (and the rest weren't that far off) so in effect the biggest height effect for marines, primarines and primarchs is the armor, which is in effect padded soles for already tall people, which tells you the levels of insecurity Horus had prior to the Heresy (which make his eventual heresy make sense, cause he was an insecure primarchlet)

In reality only Malcador wasn't insecure, cause he was always a hunched over old man. Even the Emperor would adapt his projected height to the occasion. He would tower over the tallest person in everyone's minds, whether it be a big human or a primarch. His insecurity made his psychic powers project him as the biggest in the room to compensate for him being (as only Corax of all of primarchs saw him), a normal height tanned skin human.

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get rekt you fucking memelord

>shit meme
>shit tv
expecting anything more was lol

accurate

>he thinks the Hound gave a shit about Loras and didn't just want the excuse to fight his brother

kek

>Varys turns out to be the Hounds brother
>noone discuses it

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It was pretty stupid but at least it was payoff for something they set up
But Hound soloing 4 Kingsguard in 5 seconds flat is fucking retarded

>Arya alive
>burgeoning friendship with Tormund
>new respect from other people because he did good during the wight attack
>girls are hitting on him
If there was ever a time not to die uselessly it would have been post-Long Night, shit was starting to look up

his first words are literally "Leave him be!" moments before he blocks The Mountain's sword from coming down on Loras. If it was about killing his brother he would've just attacked him without trying to block for Loras.

This is what I wanted

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Reminder that this retard quit to be an extra in the shitty hobbit movies. OOPS!

Hound defends kids when he can, he’s got a soft spot for them. Most of his plot is defending random children he found

Oberyn would have won if he wasn't fishing for a confession. Gregor is all 'tard strength and no skill, Sandor is the second biggest behind him and has some actual thought for tactics, combine that with the fact Gregor is zombified and can only be killed with fire (Sandor's biggest fear) is what makes their showdown interesting.

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Especially that time he ran down that fat kid with his horse and killing him. He was a good friend.

>cleganebowl should have never happened in the first place, absolute shit tier writing.

He did that back in Season 1, killed a bunch of people since then, and still remembers/feels bad about it by the time he’s dying with Arya so clearly it affected him. Rip Mycah though, he was a real one

nobody likes fat kids

if they wanted him to showdown with the mountain they should have given him the motivation of finally putting a monster out of the world, not revenge, with the implication that the mountain was escaping the burning city to continue his life of being an absolute bastard somewhere else

>disturbing
the only disturbing thing was the inconsistencies of armor

battlepork has terribly inconsistent canon in regards to numbers

This is totally correct. Some posit that he suffers from gigantism, he literally quaffs milk of the poppy like ale.

Also he might have murdered his father and sister, and two wives. Sandor has a legitimate beef.

Since they turned him into a big lumbering zombie he hasn’t been doing any rapes or maimings of his own accord. Removing his personality limited their options to a trial by combat situation with the Hound standing up for someone else (kino) or whatever this bullshit was supposed to be

It was top fucking kino

>Staircase to nowhere
>Apocalypse Now in the background
>Full Vader Undead Mountain

I'm extremely pleased with the entire episode, including Daenerys full genocide mode

They really fucken surprised me

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not this?
youtube.com/watch?v=evd5aWcg0Hc

well, they could turbo-retcon it, like everything else in this season, into him keeping up an even steadier habit of rapes and murders since being zombified

less jarring than retconning the hound

>he luvs kids, that's why he only kills them now and again

bless his heart

looks exactly like star wars when darth vader is at the top of the staircase and luke is walking up

Why didn't Qyburn just build an army of zombies?

when hound stabbed his brother in the eye and the big dumb bastard just stood there for a few seconds like a retard was pretty funny. but overall pretty disappointing fight with all the shitty close-up Borne Identity camera work. terrible director

You don't know what hate is. You've never hate someone since you were a kid, to the point where you'd just run at them bare handed even if you'd die, even if you had a modern day arsenal of firepower behind you. As someone whose entire life was corroded by hate, warranted or not, the hound vs zombie man sequence (down to his desperate laugh and murder-suicide) gets my approval.

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He wasn't interested in armies of zombies, he was trying to perfect the art of resurrection.

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This. I genuinely can't understand the seething. It was way better than the Battle of Winterfell.

the post-credits scene should have been a slow zoom in on qyburns corpse, panning around it to reveal some medical contraption on his body kicking into gear and releasing zombie fluid over him, and then do the thing where he suddenly jolts and the episode is over

this is the main point that detracts from it.

He doesnt go through any kind of change that makes him want to get revenge on his brother (if anything the arc that the hound goes through should show that he should be at peace rather than needlessly killing for no reason) , he doesnt fight his brother to get to the queen or on the battlefield, he just randomly wants to kill him now i guess?

The writers literally could not think of a better way to get the cleganebowl than the hound just walking up to his brother because he 'wanted revenge'.

The fight itself was okay, it was kind of shitty that there was no clear winner and that the mountain was in such a zombified state that he was just walking at his brother like a retard. The hound isnt really even fighting his brother at that point, just a husk walking around in his brother's flesh.

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also to add to this, the hound SHOULD HAVE fought the mountain to save Arya. This is the correct path he should have taken, she should have gone in all cocky to get the queen and got her shit pushed in by the mountain with him literally lifting her up with one hand about to crush her before sandor ran in to save her.

THAT would have been kino. Him just waltzing up to his brother for a duel is retarded.

the post-credits scene will be Dany flying away on her dragon, then suddenly a bolt comes straight though his heart and camera pans around on Euron rowing away in a row boat while this is playing:
youtube.com/watch?v=Pd8HAy9WAYs

Addicts relapse, and emotional addictions are easiest to relapse to because they make you feel good without resorting to needles. See also: why people get back together with exes, why people lapse back into shit habits, junk food binging, hating abusive family. Jesus, it doesnt take fucking genius writing for someone to realize what actual hate looks like in action.

Kino.

I only watched the pirated version to catch up on this. So glad I stopped watching after the first season. This Hound vs. 5 guys thing and the snek guy with the fucking spear or whatever were the only good non-Bronn moments of this entire fucking show. Very disappointing, I will pirate nothing further in the future.

It was the only good thing about this episode together with Dany going full mad king

>lmao he just relapsed and wanted to kill his bro just like a drug addict
>even though they show nothing along these lines at all in cleganes character before hand

He just randomly walks up to his brother during the negotiations with the queen and says

>im going to get you!111!!

then proceeds to do it this episode.

Retarded, it wasnt earned. He didnt do it for a cause, he just did it so the writers could shoehorn in cleganebowl.

Last guy who tried this was killed by a teleporting goblin in a matter of seconds.

There is no cause to hate. You hate. If you really, really, REALLY fucking hate, even if you found a happy life, you couldnt be able to deal with it due to the sheer amount of fucking HATE going through your entire being. You don't know how to deal with winning, you don't know how to deal with situations where you're supposed to be happy. All you can do is think back to the times where all you had was hate to keep you warm and to keep you going. Hate for one person you pin everything that went wrong on. I don't know how much I need to explain it my man. I'm barely fighting it off, and my life is good. If my life was shit enough that I had to fight zombies as a no one who barely earns bread through his fighting efforts, I'd go fucking insane.

>menacing maniac
vs
>buddy bear

I can fix it.:
>Arya lets Sandor go alone in pursuit of Mountain
>She can’t let go of the opportunity to get Cersei so she turns around and follows...
>Clegane bowl starts... Cersei slips away
>Arya catches up to witness Clegane bowl...
>Sandor: “You cunt... why are you here?”
>Arya: “Cersei ? “
>Sandor: “That way!”
>she heads in general direction of where Cersei went... but stops when she hears hound struggling.
>gets back as Gregor is gouging Sandors eyes...grabs sword and beheads Gregor from behind...his head flies into a burning pile of rubble...
>Sandor dying from his wounds “You always were a stubborn bitch... did you get her?”
>Arya weeping shakes her head.
>Sandor: “The cunt’s As good as dead anyway... do me a favor... leave me for dead. Fuck off as far away from here as you can! .”
>Arya gives him a kiss and he smiles for the first time and dies

based facts dont care about your feelings poster

>P-PAPA NURGLE, ARE YOU THERE?
>THE FIRES, THEY HURT ME.

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so you're saying he was a massive pussy

>>Thrice Ned saw Ser Gregor aim savage blows at the hound’s-head helmet, yet not once did Sandor send a cut at his brother’s unprotected face.

it's literal D&D fanfic that the Hound had some revenge boner for his brother

>he smiles for the first time
he smiled when he was laughing at her water dancing crap

cringe

Poland refused to surrender the capital even after Hitler gave them several peace offers. Getting warsaw bombed was their own fault. Just as Berlin getting bombed was hitlers fault.

Dresden was not a strategic objective and will always be a war crime, idc what /his/ has to say about it.

That was more of a laugh... but this would be an “at peace” smile...

>Yea Forums complain about expository dialogue in tv show and how it is for stupid people.
>Too stupid to apparently read the actions of a guy who had his face pushed in a fire by his brother and leaps to defend someone because he's triggered that he's bullying someone else.

perhaps d&d should have had a scene where Sandor looks into the camera and says "I MUST KILL MY BROTHER I NEED REVENGE FOR WHAT HE DID TO ME".

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that's literally what sandor said though, multiple times in the show. the problem is it doesn't synch up with his earlier character because that's not his motivation in the books whatsoever, and the show used to follow the books 1:1.

It's just femcels seething for political reasons.

>Sandor laughing in Gregor's face while stabbing him "Fucking DIE"
>getting his eyes gouged and braining his brother (it's not very effective)
>fuck it, kamikaze dive into the dragonfire hell below to take the fucker out
K I N O

Sandor was so thirsty for revenge that he fucked off and joined the Brotherhood. So angry was he at Gregor that he decided to fight against the dead in a battle that few expected to live through.

But whatever. If my wife's bull says it's epic then it's epic.

>Arya gives him a kiss
pedo detected

I mean what the fuck else was there for this character to do

Dude she's like 40

It is.

He only defended Loras to take his anger out against his brother. He hates his brother and wants him dead but he's also a loyal "hound" who does whatever the Lannister's ask until he goes AWOL.

It wasn't his only motivation but it's not at all unlikely that he wouldn't seek to kill his brother before he was killed by someone else.

>he only defended Loras to take out his anger vs his brother

>">Thrice Ned saw Ser Gregor aim savage blows at the hound’s-head helmet, yet not once did Sandor send a cut at his brother’s unprotected face."

yeah bro he totally wanted to kill his brother the entire time you're right. fuck you for falling for D&D's hackery.

ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?

>user has a better idea than the jewywood writers will ever have episode 3967
Would have been kino

>cherrypicking

He's in front of the King and if he kills him he'd be arrested or some shit. I never said he had a mindless hatred and determined to kill him, but it's pretty clear from the book and the show that he wants him dead.

>hurr he doesn't want revenge against a guy who burnt his face and is always making comments about hoping he dies or wanting to kill him.

You're more retarded than the people saying it was his only goal.

Basically George Rartin Rartin Martin's Perturabo

>but it's pretty clear from the book and the show that he wants him dead.

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The sad fact is in this brown nosing nepotistic business is that good writers are the exception and the majority simply put in enough time to simply get somewhere through seniority, money, or has their dad work for the studio.

Half the ideas in these threads are better than what we got

>cherrypicking
It's literal from their fight you how is that cherrypicking.
> he kills him he'd be arrested or some shit.
No he wouldn't, he was defending himself and Loras. It would be the perfect opportunity to kill him.
>but it's pretty clear from the book and the show that he wants him dead.
He never even mentions him in the books past telling his story to Sansa and made the offhand remark. He'd probably kill him sure but it's hardly his primary motivation.
>hurr he doesn't want revenge against a guy who burnt his face and is always making comments about hoping he dies or wanting to kill him.

He made literally one, 1, offhanded comment about killing his brother if he came across him before S7 in the show, and none in the books, fuck off.

the twitter/plebbit and Yea Forums meltdowns are unironically more entertaining than GoT itself has been for a long time

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>I have no argument other than my cherrypicked sentence.

Go back to whatever forum you came from pls

>If he were here right now what would you do?
>I'd tell him to shut the fuck up so I can get some sleep

Yes, absolutely consumed with vengeance.

>cherrypicked sentence
you're the one that claimed that the Hound wasn't fighting the Mountain to protect Loras and just to fuel his hateboner, and when this is completely proven false by the text of the scene from the book you claim cherrypicking lmao.

Fucking hell his armor looked like shit. The original kingsguard armor was so good, and the Hound wasn't even wearing his armor for fucks sake.

name a single line from the book where he talks about wanting to or attempt to kill his brother. i'll wait faggot.

>Dresden was not a strategic objective
yes it was you retard

underrated post

not that user, but doesn't he at least once say he's going to be the one to kill his brother

in the books? not that I can ever recall. In the show he does in S7, and offhandedly remarks about when he's with Arya early on.

Qyburn
>Smartest engineer in Westeros
>Accomplished maester and necromancer
>Highly capable intelligence officer
>Loyal to a fault
Man didn't deserve to go out like that

Yes you're right.

The Hound is a gregarious friendly man who divulges his thoughts and feelings with everyone who asks.

I never said that. I said he's triggered by the Mountain bullying Loras like he'd done to the Hound as a kid and jumped in to fight him. You could have replaced Loras with anyone else but apparently none of you know what implications, reading between the lines or anything other than explicit expository dialogue.

Yea, it was pretty good. Hell was literally falling upon them. He lived his life wanting revenge. He knew his brother was doomed but he had to see it happen, he had to do it himself, he had to kill him. Arya knew the queen was doomed and has to live knowing she didn't kill her, but she gets to live. It was the best ending any character got this episode.

have sex

i might just be thinking of the show, then

God the show was good then

>Cersei didn't care at all
He was too good for this world

DEAR MR MURDOCK

You claimed he only defended Loras to take out his anger on his brother, but at no point does he attempt to land any serious blow on Gregor. Yeah real nice "taking out his anger".
>You could have replaced Loras with anyone else
No shit he doesn't care about Loras specifically, he would've protected any knight his brother was about to cut down in front of the King, this doesn't translate him to having some motivation plot to murder his brother.

youtube.com/watch?v=SlowcpKuQsI
Remember when the show had good scenes and didn't need tons of CGI too feel "epic"

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That would actually be the perfect time to divuldge his lust for revenge against Gregor, since they were opening up to each other, but he didn't because it doesn't exist.

It was shit. Should've ended with the Mountain stomping on the Hound's head

I'll believe the user's picture, not your incoherent rambling post.

The Hound is actually fairly blunt about his opinions and emotions in both book and show.

If you think he has no motivation to kill his brother at all I don't know what else to say to you.

>Horrifically scared for life. Scared and detested by the general population for your appearance, develop a hateful bitter personality and clearly have pent up emotional issues.

I wasn't even arguing that he had a murderboner for his brother but he clearly has motivation and would implicitly like to see him dead.

Because Sandor stands up to him and isn't afraid. The last guy that did this he smashed his skull in. He is the type of guy that wants everyone to piss themselves before him, and when they don't, he kills them. Or even if they do, but he especially kills them if they don't

He's in front of the King and the most important people around King's landing. He probably can't just kill his own brother (An act considered as reprehensible in-universe and a very high crime).

Just because he wants him dead doesn't mean he's retarded. It's not inconceivable he was content to wait it out or just ignore it forever.

>but he clearly has motivation and would implicitly like to see him dead.
Being fine with seeing his brother dead is different from the show claiming that it's his sole reason for living.

Remember when Showdown by ELO was the Cleganebowl anthem?

Killing his brother in self-defense and in defense of Loras would actually be the perfect time to do it. People would call him Kinslayer, but it's not as if The Hound cares what people think of him or that they had a high opinion of him before.

>meet a cute ginger
>tell her about your deepest darkest trauma as soon as you get a second alone
read the books brainlet

why didnt sandor kill gregor a long time ago?

That's what the E*mperor wants you to think, zealot

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It's not about him not having any motivation to kill his brother it's about it becoming his sole motivation in life and in his own words "revenge is what he's lived his entire life for" in the last two seasons of the show when previously he'd be fine, and even happy with the idea of killing his brother, but it was hardly what got him up in the morning.

>Is this not what you wanted?
The Mountain being immortal? No, not what I wanted

>Stabbed all the way through the gut to the back, fatal to anyone else
Shakes it off like nothing
>Rips off armor for zero reason
Who needs armor in a sword fight?
>Gets stabbed all about the shoulder and side, piercing his lung at least 3 times
Smiles at it like it's nothing
>Stabbed through the eye deep into the brain and out the back of his skull?
Who needs a brain kid?

Fucker likely survived his 500 foot fall into a pile of rubble and fire and will show up next week.

>A dog will die for you, but never lie to you. And he’ll look you in the face
Nuh uh he’s a secretive liar

You guys are plebs.
It was absolutely fucking terrible. It was a pointless comic book tier brawl.

Yep, this so much. I was hoping the Hound (wich had been personal fave character along theon and davos) to cast some fire magic at the expense of his life. The god of light is the most wasted potential (books included) ive seen in a fantasy setting maybe ever.

Never claimed it was his sole motivation. I imagine people would have been even angrier if there was no fight.

Cleganebowl has long been a thing before the show even fucking aired. But this must be a mistake right since it's only in the show? retards.
Autistic. He tells her because he sympathises with her and wants to protect her (implied he has feelings for her). It's actually easier for men to open up to women but I imagine you'd not know the feeling :)
Except he does, he's bitter and rude to everyone and presents himself as a monster because they revile his physical appearance. i'm surprised you can't understand this aspect of his character ;)

Iron within, iron without.

he looks like he would smell very disgustingly of rot. How would Cersei tolerate that all the time? They are literally always together.

You obviously never stopped showering for weeks at a time. You get used to it.

the fight was shit because no attack would kill the other guy.

watch him get up next week after that fall, as being impaled did nothing.

I hated that the entire fight took place on some stairs. I wish they had moved to a level playing field so they could have really gone at it.

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Yes and then it cuts to various characters such as little finger and arya repeating the Gregor burns Sandor story while creepy music plays

The Hound didn't come prepared to fight a zombie in any way, and his motive for coming to KL at all made no sense.

when he said "that's what you've always been" it didn't make sense. he should have gone "oh wait, you're undead??"

that's where the show is now.

It means that he is as ugly on the outside as the Hound always knew he was on the inside, dipshit.