Best Filmmaker on Filmmaker Insults

Orson just sounds like an old fogey who's too used to shutting his own emotions off in a drunken stoup.

>Aki Kaurismäki insists no director has made a masterpiece since the 1970s. What about Scorsese? He snorts, and glugs. "BENIS :DDDDD"

based, fuck woody
>neurotic character cheats on/with his girl/lover but is a good guy
fucking self insert in every movie, yikes

>Like all people with timid personalities, his arrogance is unlimited. Anybody who speaks quietly and shrivels up in company is unbelievably arrogant.
What is this drivel? So even if you say as little as possible and act as inoffensive as possible, normies STILL find a reason to hate you?

You can't win with these fucking idiots. Fuck Welles. As if every actor isn't by definition a massive narcissist anyway.

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Vincent Gallo has always loved being the contrarian pseud shitting on more accomplished film makers and artists.
>make a film that gets shown at at festival
>claim it's your masterpiece 100x better than buffalo 66
>get laughed at during filming
>omg guys its an exclusive FILM NEVER TO BE SEEN AGAIN
>was just that shitty

>mmwhhaaaaah...the...JEWISH...auteur...hasalwaysbeencelebratedforitsarrogance....

godard btfo, nice

Brakhage screening his films privately to Tarkovsky and Tarkovsky absolutely shitting on every single one of them is one of the best reads ever
>nostalghia.com/TheTopics/Brakhage_and_Tarkovsky.html
(read from the La Petite Cinema part onwards)

It's like some top tier comedy sketch

The Tree of Life and The Thin Red Line are not christian bullshit. Also Theo Angelopoulos made some masterpieces after 1970s, the same goes for Bela Tarr, Tarkovsky, Bergman, Bresson, Rivette, Rohmer, Hou Hsiao-hsien, Tsai Ming Liang, Kurosawa and Kieslowski. Kaurismäki is a fucking hack, he made like 2 good films.

>wow, hes just like me!

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He has a point. Sometimes quiet, self-conscious people are like that because they secretly think highly of themselves and are paralyzed by performance anxiety.

As host of the inaugural gala for President Lyndon Johnson in January 1965, Hitchcock said of one performer: “I always thought that Woody Allen was a national park”.

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Kubrick made like 1 good movie (Full Metal Jacket) and Woody just does the same thing in every movie. He stutters, talks about philosophy, and chases young women. Not 1 good movie

kubrick had notoriously bad taste in movies

>Full Metal Jacket
>his best movie
>not Eyes Wide Shut
pleb.

Yeah it's like the people who use introversion as an excuse for a lack of personality and inability to make conversation. Just because I'm an introvert it doesn't me from making a conversation at a party.

No, Kubrick's masterpiece was Barry Lyndon. All the movies you mentioned are very good though, just not masterpieces

I like Kubrick, but FMJ is like 3 films glued together

>Kubrick
>one good movie
>Dr. Strangelove, 2001, Barry Lyndon, The Shining, FMJ, Eyes Wide Shut

Too close to home ey chum

What would Bergman say about capeshit or the state of cinema today?

>Eyes Wide Shut
>his best movie
>not 2001: A Space Odyssey
nerd

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Jodorowsky about Tarantino

Eyes Wide Shut, Barry Lyndon, 2001 are boring af. Clockwork is pretentious, and paths of glory is bad for a war film, and Lolita is just shock value. Oh, and the shining is rubbish. King has every right to be upset

He does have a point, but 'arrogant' is the wrong word. Welles was arrogant. He basically admits it in that passage, when he describes 'pretending' to be modest. They're both narcissists, except Welles made no effort to hide it, yet for some reason he believes the opposite is worse. Absolutely bizarre reasoning. Even if you look down on everyone, if you don't treat others in a contemptuous way and are polite, it doesn't really matter how you feel. Welles seems to be advocating the opposite, and yet still mocks Allen for being (supposedly) 'arrogant' because he chooses not to mistreat others.

What you consider an 'interesting' conversation may not be what others consider interesting. If someone isn't bothering you, leave them alone.

You don't get upvotes for liking boring movies, user. See here

It could describe the vast majority of this site, so no, not particularly.

You provided zero substantial criticism, just a bunch of buzzwords.

"I think one of the best war films of recent times, and I know this is controversial, is Paul Verhoeven's Starship Troopers."

- Oliver Stone

Jodorowsky is a pretentious hack yoga teacher who preaches a lifestyle he doesnt follow
Nothing he says about anyone will ever be relevant

>boring
>pretentious
>bad
>rubbish
150+ IQ right here

king is a retard who got upset because the movie is much better than the book. also boring is not a valid criticism. let me guess lotr and dark knight trilogy is your version of good movies, yikes

If you expected more from this site, you're the idiot, not them.

He wouldn't concern himself with it. There's a reason he is quoted talking about godard, welles, and antonioni, and not spielberg and lucas

Why are all these quotes always boil down to the other guy being a total fraud, absolute shit with no redeeming qualities etc.? Its almost like its some insecurity or personal grudge on the part of the speaker.

This got some laughs out of me. Thanks user, I love it.

yep, he's btfo

And his movies are a mile wide and an inch deep

>In 1934, aged 16, he was sent to Germany to spend the summer holidays with family friends. He attended a Nazi rally in Weimar at which he saw Adolf Hitler. He later wrote in Laterna Magica (The Magic Lantern) about the visit to Germany, describing how the German family had put a portrait of Hitler on the wall by his bed, and that "for many years, I was on Hitler's side, delighted by his success and saddened by his defeats". Bergman commented that "Hitler was unbelievably charismatic. He electrified the crowd. ... The Nazism I had seen seemed fun and youthful". Bergman did two five-month stretches in Sweden of mandatory military service.

What's his issue with Tarantino? I don't fully understand

see

based

Yup, anyone can be petty or nasty. When one of two people at the top of their field mercilessly criticises the other, it's 99% insecurity.

eyes wide shut and 2001 are a little slow at times, but a lot happens in them, and calling them boring just shows that you completely missed the point of them. how is clockwork orange pretentious? there really isn't that much shocking about lolita, especially watching it today, but its characters and its world are really well defined in a way that dismissing it as "just shock value" is ridiculous. again, how is the shining rubbish? king's book is great, but if someone were to directly adapt it page for page, you'd end up with a boring mess(which is exactly what happened).

Keep in mind he was right on the money and Woody is like that because he then goes home and vents his frustration out by dicking kids.

The Dark Knight has great music, fights, acting, plot twists, and is pretty much the first grounded superhero film. Also, at least top 10 films of all time. Eyes Wide Shut has bad acting, and not much happens. Barry Lyndon could've been 2 hours, not 3 fucking hours.

Oof

Based and dare I say redpilled

>2001
>a little slow
I remember watching it for the first time and couldn't get past the beginning scene. When I finally did it though, I've seen it about 6 times since.

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But why not? He is slamming Antonioni, Welles, Godard etc. Seems like he doesn't like them, so why would he not attack Nolan or Tarantino or capeshit?

holy shit you have to go back

Didn't Andrei Tarkovsky shit on everybody?

>In my opinion everyone is a self-important, opinionated shitheel, so it's okay that I am

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Jodorowsky about David Lynch's Dune

BEST: Dr. Strangelove
WORST: Fear and Desire
FAVORITE: Dr. Strangelove
OVERRATED: The Shining
UNDERRATED: The Killing

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I agree Lyndon is his best but wide shut is a masterpiece

Arrogant is the right word, but Welles mitigates it with the generosity of "pretending to be modest". You call him a narcissist, but that statement alone suggests a self-awareness (if we take his word for it and don't assume he's trying to pander here) that probably means that for all his supposed pomposity he's probably not a self-involved person in company. And that's his point: there's a modesty in being open and talkative; it doesn't require extroversion, but an interest in other people and interacting with them that surpasses fear of embarrassment (the danger of which is greater the higher one esteems the person at risk).

Now, a person genuinely might just be very shy and nervous around people, but Welles' other point is that Allen is absolutely this arrogant and shows it in his work: by making it about himself, and making it all about how he, at his worst, is neurotically charming, amusing and intellectual. More than a personal critique, it's a professional: he's saying Allen's work is void and inartistic, self-flattery. And he has a point, since Allen's movies have aged like shit and turned into, at their most interesting, hellscapes of uncomfortably revealing psychological autobiography, with the occasional entry-level literary reference.

They can't shittalk eachother's works because they all have good and bad movies and they're scared of being exposed.
Imagine Lee shittalking Pulp Fiction when he directed the garbage that was american Oldboy.
As superior as Herzog thinks he is his last movie bombed hard
They all have sore wounds they'd rather not expose

>fights

Stopped reading your post right there.

There are a lot better films that are edited better and have more compelling and better told stories. For ex:

Saving Private Ryan >>>> FMJ
The Favorite >> Barry Lyndon
IT (2017) >> The Shining
Reservoir Dogs >>>>> The Killing
Inherent Vice >> Eyes Wide Shut

I'll just stick with the films that do a better job in the genres Kubrick touched or the themes he touched

>great music, fights, acting, plot twists
Terrible opinion.

Nolan or tarantino perhaps, since for a while they were considered legitimate artists. I imagine that if he was alive he would have eventually been asked about them in an interview or something.
That's not the case for capeshit. You don't interview an arthouse director and ask him about low brow movies unless you want to stir some controversy to write on your blog.
He would probably call them boring or shallow or dead and move on.

Pretty good bait. You had me for a second.

Oh boy.

Lynch's Dune sucked ass, so he's right about that.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day I guess.

>Also, at least top 10 films of all time.

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Based.

Not an argument. Btw, check imdb, Metacritic, rotten tomatoes (this was b4 captain marvel and last jedi shills), quora, or any youtube critic or fan of cinema. You're in the vast minority, retard. And at least I backed up my case with facts and things that worked in the film

Ledger carried TDK, he's the only good thing about that film.

>The Dark Knight has great music, fights, acting, plot twists, and is pretty much the first grounded superhero film. Also, at least top 10 films of all time.
10/10 bait, you deserve more (You)'s

Even Lynch doesnt like Lynchs Dune

NPC moron gets triggered at a different opinion and shouts le reddit

It's not surprising that he would like a simplistic allegory that bludgeons you with subtext. Tarantino and Verhoeven are both garbage filmmakers who have tarnished both film and film culture beyond repair.

I'm 'triggered' only by shit opinions. Why are you even in a thread about good directors? Don't you have a capeshit thread to shit in?

I'd say you are overestimating Verhoeven's impact. You're right about Tarantino.

lol fuck Kevin Smith

There's a difference in sparring with your contemporaries and kicking dogshit on the street.

Didn't say that, I'm just pointing out that this site is a hotbed for narcissism, so mocking other users for being self-obsessed is quite redundant.

>And that's his point: there's a modesty in being open and talkative; it doesn't require extroversion, but an interest in other people and interacting with them that surpasses fear of embarrassment (the danger of which is greater the higher one esteems the person at risk).
I agree in principle, but I think it's giving him too much credit to assume that this was what he meant. I think he was just trying to justify being a pompous ass, honestly, and was annoyed that Allen wasn't as open about it as he was. Again, if someone isn't harassing you, then leave them alone in turn.

Your analysis of Allen's films is spot-on though, and I'm sure there was at least some 'professional' criticism in Welles' statement.

Honestly, Cabinet of Dr Caligari always puts me to sleep

Too bad for you. Imagine getting that triggered yikes

All Kubrick films are like that.

>top 10 films of all time

I hope to god you're joking

just big money thrown at screen

He BTFO Burton though. Give credit where it's due.

Do you like any of his films? I kind of liked Anything Else and Husbands and Wives

Welles would have been better film maker now because it is far easier to shoot digitally and edit. We are also better at treating alcoholics

Rachel's death was a huge twist, Heath and Bale killed it in their roles, the fights were cool and dark, and the music is damn good.

They're just tighter (I mean, like editing wise) films, and have more emotional depth (We all know Kubrick struggled with emotion bc he was an autist like Nolan), and technology has gotten better so the films look fresher than 30 years ago. Plus, they aren't 3 hours long. Less is more,some of the time

Based and massonpilled.
Because shittalking is a lot more fun to read than the usual praising.
Sure, you can get some insight once in a while when you read what another director thinks of the work of another person when he happened to like, but most of the time they don't really elaborate on that because they don't feel the need to, they liked it and that's it, which one one hand is great because it spares you undue drivel.
Shittalking though, this is a whole other world, you can really see how absolutely fucking nasty people can get and how a lot of it boils down to the same "my opinion>your opinion" you'll see everywhere else, it's actually humanizing, you see that these artists can be as petty and miserable as you are, if not worse, and just like praise, there's also a bit of truth to it all sometimes.

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NPC kind of response

Their attempts at elevating schlock only dragged film as a whole down and created a critical landscape in which a bunch of nerds celebrate whatever it is they liked as children as some sort of high art.

>forgetting some of the GOATs

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What fights? Jesus even the 90's mortal kombat had much better cheorography

You act like the music is shit, and everything was predictable or something. Plus, it was the first grounded superhero film. We had spiderman, xmen, and superman and blade before Nolan so yes I'm right again

>Tarantino and Verhoeven are both garbage filmmakers who have tarnished both film and film culture beyond repair.

I'm so tired of people saying this about Tarantino. Yea Forums should love this guy but only hate him because he's semi popular.
>politically incorrect films
>says nigger
>lots of blood
>foot fetish
>references old school films

Seriously, it's bullshit that Yea Forums makes a bunch of hate threads about him ruining cinema but then like Zahlar who is his carbon copy

Some of your points are aceptable (mostly the acting (especially the acting part, Aaron Eckhart is criminally underrated as Dent), but the "top 10 greatest movies" gives it away. Nice trips btw

Shit, Yea Forums as a whole has been contrarian since its inception. Did you just find that out?

Tarantino isn't that bad. What exactly is so wrong with him? I get it, you can not like him. That's your taste, but why does Yea Forums and that contrarian critic act like he destroyed cinema and sent it to the black plague. You should be more mad at capeshit and Disney than him. I'd rather have Django and Pulp Fiction and Kill Bill than Captain Marvel

At least he leaves the house and has sex. You should try it sometimes

Kevin Smith had a point about Tim Burton though lol I mean, Burton can hate on comics but why would he say fuck comics but make a batman movie. He set himself up on that one

>Anyone who knows me knows I would never read a comic book

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I thought Tarantino has pretty low budget films

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>I'm a schizo and this is deep

It's strong in a lot of areas. I hear Yea Forums sometimes slam it but there just being contraian. Nobody can actually explain why or how it's bad. You can laugh at me for my opinion but at least I back it up and give reasons.
>Awesome music
>Cool action sequences
>Great acting
>Some plot twists
>First grounded superhero film

You again? Fug off fag boi. And Eyes Wide Shut is his best

>itt mentally ill millennials and zoomers shit talking about people with accomplished careers who had left something behind with their works
This is why nobody likes you mongoloids. You can't get wiped out of history soon enough.

But so many were arguing that it was just shit. Don't act like Yea Forums never slams this film. If this film was unpopular, Yea Forums would love it

There were no huge twists, fights were fucking terrible and the choreography was obnoxious. The story was weak and predictable. It was also stupid.
Excellenct bait. You are getting better, keep it up.

Yes, but they don't just stop at disliking him, I see many many comments about him ruining cinema. That's doesn't even make sense. Disney is doing that, not Tarantino

He had a print of Bay's Pearl Harbour; he would make his daughter fast forward to the airplane fights.

Pulp Fiction is responsible for capeshit and the critical environment in which capeshit receives massive praise. The rest of his films only advance that cause.

God damn, that's actually based and redpilled

Capeshit that takes itself seriously will never be the film greatest ever, no matter how high redditors on IMDb rate it. At the end of the day, it's a flick about people in rubber suits chasing eachother around made to put butts in seats and sell action figures. I say this as someone who enjoys TDK for the entertaining action flick that it is. I don't think anyone *hates* TDK either, so I'm not sure where you got that from.

. Kevin Smith on Tim Burton (in response to “I would never read a comic book”):
>>“Which, to me, explains fucking Batman.”
>That's the best comeback he could muster
Kevin Smith will never stop being a hack who got lucky his brand of empty pop culture-laden angst was popular for a brief period of time in the late 90s/early 00s

His films are nothing like capeshit wtf Hell, it would make more sense if you blamed Nolan, not Tarantino

>"His gifts as a director are enormous. I just can’t take him very seriously as a thinker — and that’s where we seem to differ, because he does. His message is what he cares about these days, and, like most movie messages, it could be written on the head of a pin."
Savage and absolutely correct.

It's a double edged sword then, according to this logic. If it doesn't take itself seriously, then it's MCU kiddie shit, but if it takes itself seriously it's still capeshit wtf There's no winning. So you're telling me there isn't 1-2 superhero films you like?

>t. Kevin Smith

He's absolutely right though
If you've ever spent any amount of time around awkward nerds, you'd instantly realize that many of them are only shy because of their own weakness and lack of confidence, and that they secretly believe their silence makes them some kind of undiscovered genius who simply chooses to remain out of the limelight. Any amount of power or success instantly goes to their head

Because artists tend to have big egos, and you won't attract any attention if you measure your words. So they (unconsciously, even) act scandalously just so they can illict a strong reaction and draw attention.

What would've been a better one?

>politically incorrect films
>says nigger
>lots of blood
>foot fetish
>references old school films
This might work on the average capeshitter, but anyone even decently versed in film sees these qualities as embarrassing attempts at creating buzz. Doesn't matter if they had been on site for years or just started. Also if Tarantino's indulgence in the distasteful is the thing you take out of his films, maybe broaden your horizon when it comes to film and don't stay in the dark when others lambast him for obvious reasons.

It's the obvious comeback since Burton set himselp up hard for it. Anyone would be tempted to make that comment if they were in Smith's position.

Tatarnino's attempts to elevate the schlock of his youth created a cinematic and critical in which capeshit could be taken seriously as film, complete with quips and otherwise tedious dialogues.

Who says I'm not mad at capeshit? The thing is capeshit isn't regarded as high art (or so I thought before seeing a brainlet in this same thread hailing a batman movie as top 10 film of all time), while you seem to ask for Tarantino to be considered as on the same league as respectable filmmakers, and that's just not going to happen.
I can at least respect the MCU for its sheer unprecedented scope and for having created it's own brand of pop culture garbage, instead of just preying on old schlocky b movies made by much more competent filmmakers, or at least by filmmakers with their own vision.

I fucking lold

I genuinely enjoy the armchair psychoanalysis in Welles-on-Allen threads. Very comfy.

If you're not trolling, you're a magic creature that generates the exact wrong opinions about movies. I seriously wonder what you enjoy watching

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I love this because contrary to Bergman he doesn't resort to buzzwords like boring and instead goes in for the kill with a spot on criticism. What a chad.

>many of them are only shy because of their own weakness and lack of confidence,
Couldn't you say the same for ANY shy person?

Is it a crime to acknowledge to yourself that you may be more intelligent/talented than others? Again, if you keep it to yourself, who gives a fuck?

IT'S A BLACK MALE THING

Not that guy but no, there's no winning with capeshit. You're allowed to like all you want, and I myself love the shit out of Raimi' s Spider-Man, but it will never be regarded highly by anyone who considers cinema a form of art

literally who?

Because Welles actually had a modicum of intelligence. Unlike Bergman, who was a brainlet. A good artist, but a brainlet.

Nah. Orson understands how much of cinema is vanity and wears it on his sleeves. He is a conman amongst conmen and he's not afraid to point it out.

>“I’ll never watch it again, but I will keep it. I’ll keep it right on my desk, as a constant reminder that a bloated sense of self-importance is the most unattractive quality in a person or their work.”

Cringe. Go back to your capeshit Smithy boy.

Like a laid out tarot deck?

>“He kind of created a Special Olympics for film.
10/10

Eyes Wide Shut is Kubrick's first real failure as a filmmaker
It's entirely schlock and tease with no real artistry and it's propped up by babypseuds with even more ridiculous fetishism towards conspiracy than the Shiningfags

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Rivette on Kubrick
>“Kubrick is a machine, a mutant, a Martian. He has no human feeling whatsoever. But it’s great when the machine films other machines, as in 2001.”

This made me realize I hate french filmmakers

>He ran, in the course of an hour and a half, through every argument against my work and any other individual's work that I have ever heard, from the Emperor's New Clothes argument through this-is-too-rapid-it-hurts-the-eyes, through "this is sheer self-indulgence," to "film is only a collaborative art." And in detail, "the color is shit" and "what is this paint? Why do you do this?"
Tark would have been a wonderful shitposter.

>paths of glory is bad for a war film

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All the dumbasses in here acting like if we didn't have Tarantino we never would have had the countless B and C horror and action films that predate him. All Tarantino did was bring an awareness and appreciation to a cinematic underclass that you plebs overlooked on your way to the Oscar nominees section at block buster. Meanwhile directors you'll come on here and worship today were worshipping those shlocky horror pics. Pulp Fiction may not be Suspiria or Badlands or Aguirre or Solaris but it's hard to come by a masterpiece in any era let alone the era where you clowns are so susceptible to marketing you'll go watch Antman and call me by your name in the same weekend.

Love begins and dark Knight but it must be admitted that the hand to hand combat is stiff as hell. They used some memey self defense system some instructor invented rather than something that would look cool like krav maga or ninjitsu.
The other action is great though, stunts and whatever, vehicle sequences.

I think he's making the distinction between shy people and those who LARP as shy people to obfuscate their inflated egos/insecurities

No, he's right, he practically described me. I alternate between thinking I'm the best and thinking I'm worthless, and in reality I've achieved nothing in life because I'm constantly riddled with anxiety and indecision.

I don't mock myself for comedy, though, that's insufferable.

Rivette is a great director.

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>All Tarantino did was bring an awareness and appreciation to a cinematic underclass that you plebs overlooked on your way to the Oscar nominees section at block buster.
I wasn't aware people like Truffaut were underclass.
Damn, the things you learn on Yea Forums

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This really exposes Tarkovsky as a supremely arrogant and bitter man. You can praise his works all you want but it is undeniable that as a person he was an absolute cunt.

What's the difference between him and Zahler? They're the same, dude

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/31st_Academy_Awards

You'd be surprised

wrong
he just shits on mediocrity and especially the pretentious
He was deeply in love with Kurosawa and Sergio Leone's movies
Had an affection for action and animation films and always tried to help steer the youth away from celebrity culture and narcissism

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possibly, I haven't watched him. most french film is self obsessed wankery

Shawshank, Goodfellas, TDK, The Fly, Logan etc.

No I think he was just a perfectionist. Does anyone have writing on his own work? I feel like he was extremely critical of everyone to a fault, and he never gave compliments, which tells me he just didn't talk about the movies he liked. He was always striving for more.

Who's at the bottom?

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Have you seen Window Water Baby Moving? vimeo.com/12642924
I'd be yelling at Stan the same

Robert Altman, the last great american filmmaker

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Imagine being a literal who director trying to shit on someone like Scorsese

How do you say based in swedish?

ingmar bergman is based holy shit

Nothing you are saying contradicts him being a cunt. Read the entire thing, not just from the screening onwards. His attitude throughout is of complete arrogance.

Oh okay. I've seen Long Kiss Goodbye and McCabe and Mrs. Miller so far. I like all those guys in that pic.

>he never gave compliments
He did. He absolutely loved most films from Bresson, Bergman, Chaplin, Mizoguchi and Kurosawa.
It's just that he's extremely passionate about art and the truth in it's expression

>David Gordon Green
>director of DUDE WEED the movie
He's not one to talk, propping up Rogen

>giving memes the time of day
yikes

Kevin Smith was unequivocally based back before Seth Rogen got him addicted to weed

>Created a special Olympics for film

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You're making the obvious mistake of making an entire impression of an individual from a single piece of text of a day or two.

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I remember reading about him praising Bergman and bresson quite a bit

It's not that I'm pretending they didn't exist, but the way they are viewed through a post-Tarantino lens and the influence of that view have done nothing but degrade cinema. He has given people a toolkit to appreciate garbage, and whatever light he has shown on great filmmakers has only tarnished film even more because it is used to elevate garbage through juxtaposition.
>it's hard to come by a masterpiece in any era let alone the era where you clowns are so susceptible to marketing you'll go watch Antman and call me by your name in the same weekend.
This is rich coming from someone who would put Suspiria in the same category as those other films. You're nothing more than a post-Tarantino film-geek pleb.

that meme is completely accurate

No, I am not. I have read and watches pieces about Tarkovsky the man a lot and he always came across as arrogant.

do you think all timidity is a sign of arrogant self regard? that’s what Orson is implying and its fucking stupid, demonstrating a stunted theory of mind and unbelievable malice for weakness which mostly does not affect you. nerds are quiet because they are frightened and they should be they are socially inept and would be punished for it if they put more effort into engaging with others

only the first 30 minutes are good in saving private ryan. FMJ is way better

Not really. You just like that he is shitting on filmmakers you dislike, but even if that's the opinion of a giant he isn't really saying anything meaningful about them and their work

>t. sniveling narcissist

The arrogance is moreso, in my opinion, from Brakhage. He is a supremely arrogant and self-important director. Seeing Tarkovsky shit on him is very cathartic for me and I feel you'd have to either be a Brakhage fan or a centrist to delegitimize Tark's criticisms and outrage over what is essentially a complete destruction of film's form and potential for insulated, inaccessible "art" drivel that appeals to no one but the director and contains no real message until he tells you in words or print
Watch Short Cuts, Secret Honor, Nashville(especially), The Player, Prairie Home Companion and Gosford Park
He's a master, particularly in combining characterization and composition
To me his stuff feels more natural than a lot of "improvisation" directors
He's also capable of examining every facet of mankind's emotional and personal spectrum while still maintaining humor or joy

>The only other thing you get, which makes me equally mad, is Hollywood movie makers comparing themselves to giants of literature and music. The most extreme example of that was the maker of Bugs Bunny one year. I said to him: "If you're a great artist, then what in the world is van Gogh?"

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As if extroverts aren't exactly the same way. You're just describing egotistical people.
People are complicated

>Also, at least top 10 films of all time.
you're fucking braindead

I've never seen the original Suspiria so you're wrong about that

it was unfinished

I'm a timid guy and he's absolutely right. If I had to choose between giving up my life or nuking millions of people out of existence I would happily take the latter.

he's right though. citizen kane is a snoozefest

I'm not talking specifically about his criticisms against Barkhagr and I agree that a lot of Barkhage works are crap. I'm talking about Tarkovsky's general attitude, that is explicit throughout that entire text and any other text about the man.

watch caligari on acid. it's great

So was Don Quixote and The Other Side of the Wind by Orson Welles
Both contain supreme artistry, creativity and personality
Eyes Wide Shut is the least provocative, least aesthetically-interesting and worst-acted movie Kubrick has ever produced outside of Fear and Desire
It simultaneously only teases at the hedonistic cabal of the upper class instead of really diving into it
Oliver Stone has made much more biting criticisms of that class of people
And before him, Luis Bunuel

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>He stutters, talks about philosophy, and chases young women.
Even Antz doesn't break from that

>Barry Lyndon is Kubrick's greatest film!
>Far beyond the rest of his work!

The number of times I have seen pretentious pseuds parrot this opinion, like it makes them seem smarter and more refined than the mouth breathing masses. And they can never name WHY they hold Barry Lyndon in such high regard, they just do because they know it's one of his least popular and well known films.
So they can claim hipster cred by being familiar with it.
Pro tip: it doesn't make you seem smarter for liking Barry Lyndon. Just reveals you as an empty pseud

Not Dr Strangelove, The Killing or Paths of Glory

Looks like I'm inclined to like this Swede now

no way to btfo someone like adding a !

I think people like Barry Lindon that much because it's his most orthodox and digestible work, arguably it's one of his better realized works too.
I myself prefer 2001 but I can see why so many people like Barry Lindon, it's a fairly charming story too.

In what world is trying finding value in a work a bad thing? Even if it's a singular shot, effect or song, there's no reason not to try on many movies. Do you really think every movie that wasn't approved by some label or appeared on someone else's list can't possibly have anything to give to an audience?

Not him, but it's an epic yet intimate story. It's really funny and tragic at the same time, it has great balance of tone. Barry is such a piece of shit yet he is still charming and his rise and fall is extremely entertaining. Also the narrator is hilarious. The rest of Kubrick's filmography feels cold and emotionally distant yet this one has a wide range emotions. It looks stunning. It's not the best costume, period film but it's a masterpiece. The Leopard from Visconti is a bit better.

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which griffith films in particular is this post referencing?

Case and point. I bet you have never really seen a Bergman film

I don't know specifically but Intolerance was a magnificent showpiece of emotion, technical skill and aesthetic

Reservoir dogs was a kind of boring movie, but we'll executed and born from a good idea. The big robbery gone bad happens off screen and the content and tension of the movie is woven out of the discussion referencing the big unseen act. For whatever budget and reputation he had at this point he did well, and his potential is clear. He can pivot what he has into more.

Pulp fiction is his defining moment. Off beat, intense, and clever. Multiple short stories crafted into one, and yet it doesn't really have to lead anywhere. It's not really an action film, but It grips you with a similar level of sensory vividness. Great cool movie.

Kill bill 1+2. Insane and ingenious. It's like the film is a question - wouldn't it be great if someone made something as over the top as this? It's almost an ironic movie, but is taken very seriously in its realisation. You can laugh all the way through but genuinely thoroughly enjoy it. It's like a thought experiment.
But then he loses his mind. He tries to repeat the perfect balance of kill bills ironic style in his following movies and it doesn't work. He just starts making bad movies and is now a parody of himself.
Django was the most bearable post kill bill film, and like kill bill and pulp fiction it had a perfect soundtrack. But its too late now, tarantino cant operate on that same level. Django had the potential to be another home run but he's confused himself with this over vivid irony thing he's stuck on. Inglorious basterds was very stale and hard to watch, a single clip of hateful 8 was enough to turn me away. Deathproof was OK but was an uncomfortable attempt to bring back the 'old tarantino' with the low budget feel and confident character building. Again he parodies himself, but in another way. Partly why it's so uncomfortable is because he feels too comfortable. He did some great things but he peaked when he did.

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seventh seal doesnt drag on like citizen kane does, also has memorable dialogue

my guess is birth of a nation

Tarantino is a thief
He just copypastes stuff from other movies then in-between loads the dialogue with pop culture nerd references
He is truly a pop filmmaker
Brian De Palma does something similar but changes up the sequences he steals, giving them his own signature flair

>The most extreme example of that was the maker of Bugs Bunny one year. I said to him: "If you're a great artist, then what in the world is van Gogh?"

Van gogh is an absolute meme and every animator who ever worked for Warner bros had more talent.
>le tortured soul artiste man unappreciated in his lifetime
If I produced that many fingerpainting tier flower vases I'd cut my ear off too.

I have friend like this. His favorite character in Naruto was Shikamaru, and it's painfully obvious that he see's himself as a kindred spirit. He won't play fighting games or anything really competitive one on one because if he loses it will spoil his delusion and reveal that he is in fact just a normal person who is lazy.

>that interview where he referred to Ernest Hemingway as "some faggot in an art theater"

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Please go back

What do you think these filmmakers would think about this?

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satanic soulless american

Brian Fetishises Hitchcock, for most part.

God what I'd give to hear what Orson has to say about Tarantino

Pseud/10, well done.

Welles may have liked it. The others would be dismissive of it (I'm talking only about the dead ones)

He recut Brown Bunny after that festival showing. It's a good film- especially when you take into account that his character imagined every encounter with women: the gas station teen, the road stop cougar, the Las Vegas prostitute, and his ex were all figments of his imagination.

It’s the best film of the 21st century and far surpasses all of their work. They would have hated it

Why do you shitters have to exagerate all the time. It's a very good film, but if you call it the best of the century you are only going to out yourself as a brainlet.

Anyone see The Other Side of the Wind? I couldn't get into it but I'm a brainlet...

It's great but not the best of the century.

That's pretty cool art, who's the artist?

>if you call it the best of the century you are only going to out yourself as a brainlet
same goes if you don’t consider it one of the best of the decade

I said it's very good. Possibly top 10. Still far from the best.

He also takes a ton of Welles and Fellini imagery
In Phantom of the Paradise in particular, he recreates the bomb long take from Welles' Touch of Evil
But he does it in split screen with multiple perspectives and thus makes it his "own"
He references but improves upon, whereas Tarantino merely copies
He serves more as a way to get into movies than as a filmmaker

t
Non on James Cameron's The Terminator, which he praised.

will you look at all that soul

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It wasn't even as good as NCFOM and that came out the same year
PTA is from the same school as Tarantino, though is more "serious" about film
TWBB isn't terrible but it's massively overrated and a case of a director being carried by the rest of his team
The competent cinematographer, DDL, the Radiohead guy and others all came together with what was arguably middling source material and a very shallow screenplay with some ridiculous directing decisions
Doppel

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>He and Hemingway first met in 1937 in a projection room, when Welles was narrating the commentary for The Spanish Earth, a pro-Republican civil war documentary. Not realising Hemingway was in the room, Welles made various criticisms of the author’s text.

Welles later said: “Then I heard this growl from the darkness. ‘Some damned faggot who runs an art theatre telling me how to write narration.’ So I began to camp it up... ‘Oh, Mr Hemingway, you think because you’re so big and strong and have hair on your chest that you can bully me.’ So this great figure stood up and swung at me. So I swung at him.

Wew lad that's hilarious.

spartacus is by far his best film you psued

All of Welles' interviews are very good
youtube.com/watch?v=6dAGcorF1Vo
youtube.com/watch?v=BliGFrpRcLs
youtube.com/watch?v=jMh7pbYr8DQ
youtu.be/1LnuQZ6VD_Y

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it's classic, just look at the cognitive dissonance of incels and /pol/cels and the like -- irl they are inhibited and awkward and timid and quiet and creepy and can't form a coherent sentence or make a friend or god forbid have sex, but online their true colors break through and suddenly they're shouting from the rooftops how everyone else is the NPC and they're the superior masterrace and yadda yadda

youtu.be/1jPWGEoyJHY

>it was inexpensive to ma-
>WHO GIVES A SHIT

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>best film of the 21st century
>we're only 19 years into it

autist

Careful you don’t cut yourself on that sharp edge, bullied teen

He should have had his own talk show. People back then did not understand talent.

Both normies and /pol/yps are NPCs. They aren't wrong in mocking normal people for their conformism, they just fail to realise that they lack critical thinking to an even greater extent.

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Go and watch PTA's work without Elswit. Then watch Elswit's recent work without PTA and see who carries who.
>some ridiculous directing decisions
Such as?

He did actually try to get a tv show
youtube.com/watch?v=Qufz115eJIE

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stick to marvel kiddo

Damn Refn is a prick.
What is that 'inexpensive' comment even supposed to mean?

so this is the source of the Chad Stride

He is just autistic.

I'm a Brit.
The animators at Disney would be provided with naked life models to keep their drawing skills sharp. A good oldschool Warner bros/Disney animator was like an athlete. They did a lot of real work at the top tier every day, schooled in the full curriculum of art.
Van Gogh was a doodler.

>a chink
>knowing what is and isn’t a masterpiece
lel, go count some beans

based

So you're saying Disney animators were merely making products, while Van Gogh was expressing himself, or in other words making art?
Got it.

HE was speaking to the business side of films which is a serious metric to consider. However he was talking to an artist who doesn't care if the movie took five million or five dollars to make.

>12. Tyler Perry on Spike Lee
>“Spike can go straight to hell! You can print that… Spike needs to shut the hell up!”
Kek. Based Tyler Perry and Kevin Smith

This was just Orson being angry he had stopped being relevant by 1950 and his movies were watched only by pseudo intellectuals. Meanwhile tons of movies made by Woody Allen in the 1970s are still beloved and referenced today. Nobody referenced or homaged Citizen Kane 20 years after it was made let alone 50, and if you take out a few Simpsons jokes in the 1990s you can say no media ever acknowledged Citizen Kane as an influential film through references or homages.

(((expressing yourself)))

>all these nerds in this thread trying to act "smart" and important by shit talking actual filmmakers

none of you will achieve not even 1% of what kubrick achieved at his 30 years of age

he's right but
>Everything he does on the screen is therapeutic
isn't that what art is for many artists?

>movie isn't directly referenced that often
>therefore it's not influential

who the fuck references woody allen

Based
He also makes a salient point that age is what determines whether or not a film is really great

Name one warner bros animator more talented than van gogh.

Ill wait

Name a single Woody Allen movie that gets any serious discussion or reverence today
Annie Hall is his most famous, and most people only know it as "The Woody Allen movie" and haven't actually seen it

why are all kubrick fanboys so beyond butthurt if anyone says anything remotely negative about him or his work in any way at all, even if it's just a pure shitpost

it's like they all see him as their replacement father or something

Annie Hall is still taught in every intro film course and saying modern trogs haven’t seen it isn’t a good caliber of judging movies.

what a retard lmao also who?

where is your film?

Seriously? What if I critiqued capeshit, would you then ask me "ummmm but have you ever made a film huh???"

chuck jones?

Exactly, sometimes

Are you fucking retarded?

Like citizen kane is not a required essential for any film student you fucking nigger

Literally every single one.

excessive politeness and harmlessness is rudeness. you see it on this site, /r9k/ in particular. completely timid and useless people in real life, they're monsters on here

we're talking about film auteurs, dumb kike
where is your film?

Am I responding to Uwe Boll here?

> Putting The Dark Knight in the top ten movies of all time
> Calling others NPCs
The irony. The fights were utter trash too. Good entertaining movie, but if you think it's "timeless" or a "masterpiece" , you are either stupid or underage. I bet you think Endgame is a masterpiece too.

...where did I say otherwise?

There's 3 types of people in this world: critics, consumers, and creatives.

Better here than there. And there's a difference between blowing off steam and malicious abuse. Those who partake in the latter tend to be the same everywhere.

Calling someone an idiot on the internet doesn't make you a 'monster.'

God I wish we could have an interviewer on the level of Dick Cavett again

>TDK pretty much first grounded superhero movie
>says the pleb that clearly has never watched Unbreakable.

Unbreakable is the first grounded superhero film. But judging by your shit post you probably wouldn't like it and think it's boring. Fuck off back to r/movies.

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Guess not. Thanks for ruining the thread, assholes.

r/movies loves Unbreakable

4channel/tv/ everyone

@114585091
You stupid fucking cunt.

> Defending (((Disney))) by insinuating that Van Gogh was jewish.
Pathetic.

you've been arguing about welles being irrelevant while allen is beloved and much more highly regarded, and when confronted about your abismal statement you said that one allen film is studied in film school as proof of what you said

If I have nothing to contribute to a conversation then I keep quiet. What am I supposed to do, immediately walk away? Then you're considered even more arrogant. Start spouting bullshit about something you're unfamiliar with? Then you come off as an idiot.

I've walked away from a conversation, and left the venue, that I felt that I wasn't contributing to before. Then it's a big deal the following day with everyone asking why I left.

>loves woody allen and hates welles

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Sounds like an arrogant asshole living in denial about being a dick by claiming other people are the actual assholes.

oh wow eternal anglo thinks technicality means better artist, guess all those korean slaves and latter day pre raphaelite painters using autistic amounts of detail are better artists than anything else then

hey there, beautiful

Van gogh has charm and a nice sense of colour. I could see myself hanging a print of his, a yellow/orange flower vase against a blue bathroom wall, or within a yellow/orange hallway scheme.
But do you realise that a properly trained artist could produce a van gogh copy at will? I could. His style is simple.

If his expression is so valuable, then how is the drive to become as brilliant as a golden era animator not expressive of their passion for art?
Animators can draw a humanised rabbit pulling every facial expression from delight to disgust and everything in between. Van gogh struggles with the standard human face, and is reliant on his blob style. What exactly does he express? What does a badly drawn vase of flowers express?

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I dislike Welles as a person but at least he is intellectually honest. The rest are just butthurt babies crying that other people disagree with them about stuff.

absolutely based

different guys my dude. Only this is meand I was just responding to your post saying Woody is irrelevant. I love both of em

I just don't have any great desire to converse with most people, who are frankly boring as fuck. I don't care if you attribute it to 'arrogance' or 'narcissism', I don't care about your shitty life. It's the fact that this is taken as a personal insult that infuriates me. I'm already trying to be as polite as I can, and you insist on mistreating me purely because I don't choose to converse with you every minute of every day. Who's the 'narcissist', again?

Fuck I hate people.

When you’re dying of radiation poisoning, you stop giving a fuck about feelings.

Fucking Kek

I didn't make the post about woody being irrelevant, but he is a hackneyed filmmaker who overstayed his welcome and will leave no mark on film history.
His only movie worth anything is manhattan, and that's only due to the great cinematography.

It's the Yea Forums darlings that sway the opinion towards Zahler to the positive, (Gibson, Vince). I dislike both Zahler and Tarantino, as their attempts to stay relevant is to tap to the past.

This was a hard lesson for me to learn, as an awkward nerd myself who isn't shy at all. Even worse is when women fall for that shit. Like this kid I knew who was just quiet all the time, never made a peep, but still managed to get with this hot chick. I just didn't get it, and its one of the reasons I never bother trying to improve. Why try at all when some meek fag with less social skills than me reaps the rewards?

...

>oh wow eternal anglo thinks technicality means better artist,
That is usually the case.
Picasso could do everything. He had excellent technique but could abandon all convention if he wanted.
His cubism stuff was still made with great technique. Nothing wrong with solid technique at all.

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>creatives
yikes

>properly trained artist could produce a van gogh copy at will? I could. His style is simple.
you do know what art is about, right? you don't just autistically copy and churn out shit. plus maybe take a closer look at his technique. retarded autist

you would know

>overstayed his welcome
no one disagrees with this. However this is
>I don’t understand screenplays
the post

Your sense of color will never be this good, just accept it and stop crabbing.

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>you do know what art is about, right?
People buying the most poorly made work ever created for tens of millions at auction?
Faux lesbian crazies and other fez wearing psued hacks deciding that art is whatever they want it to be?