Arise, arise, Riders of Théoden!

all of jons actions were retarded in b of b.

They also encircled Jons army instead of leaving an opening to cause a rout

overall it was great. it had retarded aspects.
overall pelanor fields was great but had retarded aspects.

thats jons retarded character

youtube.com/watch?v=EmTz7EAYLrs

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The greatest pre-battle speech of all time.

Have sex.
No, seriously. Instead of getting overly excited because some guys are fighting fantasy monsters in an OLD movie, you should get out, talk to people, meet a girl. You can still turn your life around.

DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEBT

GoT > LoTR
it's all about the politics

>battle of bastards was fantastic

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>meanwhile no major character is bothered to wear a helmet at the Battle of Winterfell

The plebs watching the show would get confused if everyone was wearing a helmet

>meanwhile main character removes helmet to revela she was a womyn the whoole time for a YAAAAASS QUEEEN SLAAAAYYY moment

It's more of an Alexander solves the Gordian knot kind of moment but I doubt you know what that is

>Arise, arise, Savers of Théoden!
>market shall be shaken, capitals shall be splintered,
>a cash-day, a red day, ere the sun rises!
>Spend now, spend now, spend! Spend for ruin and the world's ending!

>headcanon

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I hope you don't think LoTR battles were realistic man.

>its literally ok when tolkien does it!
lmao like clockwork

What the fuck I hate tolkein now
Bluepilled as fuck holy shit I can't believe the SJWs got to him

>Leaves out the fact it could only happen because the manlet stabbed him with a witchblade
No agenda I see

>They also encircled Jons army instead of leaving an opening to cause a rout
Ramsay didn't care for either his army nor Jon'. He just wanted a massacre, not to be efficient.

My favorite type of people are LARPers who unironically think that Rohan could take on Gondor, even in it's weakened state.

>we
Stop this. Stop speaking for anybody buttplug yourself. Faggot

>let's just charge the giant elephants
cringe

I hate discussing this, but that doesn't make any sense. His whole behavior doesn't make any sense.
He's a fucking bastard who literally murdered his father. Do you know what reputation he would have?
Only way for such a man to survive would be to be incredibly competent...yet he's shown to be a near imbecile, a rabid dog. And incredibly brutal and dishonorable on top of that.
Why are all the other nobles in North even following him? Everyone would literally gang up on him and his own men would abandon him ASAP.
Stuff he does in the battle is even worse...he literally orders archers to fire in the backs of their own men. And he's a fucking bastard (even if legitimized) and illegitimate usurper.

There's many brutal, dishonorable men in actual history, but they either had moral standing (due to their position, family, or something like that), or were highly competent and knew how to attract people. Roose is like that, and he was portrayed well. Ramsay is portrayed as a cartoon villain. He's like ISIS in Westeros, only he has zero ideology behind him. Things don't work like that in real life.

Well

I remember a speech from a roman general calling his soldiers pussies because among the celts there were a bunch of women covered in mud and screeching curses and the legionaries were unsettled, they proceeded to wipe the floor with them though

In the books he is just a really violent retard. The only reason people put up with his shit is because of Roose, and even Roose barely tolerates it, especially the Theon thing

I cry when this scene comes on. I still do

i cry every tiem

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That title goes to Aragorns pre mordor battle speech

>fuckhuge budget but GoT still had to cut elephants because of costs involved
>LotR did this with significantly less resources over 15 years ago

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>battle of bastards

when did people start saying this wtf happened

>You will never be an Anglo-Saxon
How do I deal with this feel?

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Buy a Dane axe and start swinging it around your head.

n-no way, i'ts not THAT old

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The charge in LotR wasn't the best strategy either. They would realistically end up in the middle of the horde of orcs and be surrounded and slaughtered.

But it made sense. The orcs had already entered the city, if they had waiting or done an elaborated attack, the orcs could had just entered Minas Tirith and their cavalry would be useless.

It was essentially the suicide attack though

Couldn't see shit anyway. It was dark and the editing was atrocious

>Why are all the other nobles in North even following him?
I think the choice was either him or another bastard who brought a horde of barbarians to south of the wall after centuries of pushing them back.
Even if he had won, he likely would not have lasted.

>orcs have poor moral
>suprise cavalery charge in flank
>orcs rout to river
>
>
>profit

Just turn off your brain and have sex bro

There was more plot armor going around in the Battle of Helm's Deep than in the Battle of Winterfell.

Also where were the women in Helm's Deep?

Look mom I can do it to, LOTR is perfect and there are no flaws.

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I watch this scene once a day every morning.

Theorem literally dies lol

In the book, that cry is actually taken up by Éomer after he sees Théoden fall. It works well enough in the film but the change does take away from Éomer as a character.

I wonder what happened to all those nice looking armor sets.
I wish they would have put all the props in a lord of the rings or tolkien museum

And how many main/supporting characters died at winterfell?

Checkmate atheists

That fucking retarded scream when he finds Eowyn takes away from his character.

Hiding in the glittering caves

What part of DEATH do you not understand you bloody cunt? Fucking roasties I swear, you are all retarded.

>At that sound the bent shape of the king sprang suddenly erect. Tall and proud he seemed again; and rising in his stirrups he cried in a loud voice, more clear than any there had ever heard a mortal man achieve before:

>Arise, arise, Riders of Théoden! Fell deeds awake: fire and slaughter! spear shall be shaken, shield be splintered, a sword-day, a red day, ere the sun rises! Ride now, ride now! Ride to Gondor!

>With that he seized a great horn from Guthláf his banner-bearer, and he blew such a blast upon it that it burst asunder. And straightway all the horns in the host were lifted up in music, and the blowing of the horns of Rohan in that hour was like a storm upon the plain and a thunder in the mountains. Ride now, ride now! Ride to Gondor! Suddenly the king cried to Snowmane and the horse sprang away. Behind him his banner blew in the wind, white horse upon a field of green, but he outpaced it. After him thundered the knights of his house, but he was ever before them. Éomer rode there, the white horsetail on his helm floating in his speed, and the front of the first éored roared like a breaker foaming to the shore, but Théoden could not be overtaken. Fey he seemed, or the battle-fury of his fathers ran like new fire in his veins, and he was borne up on Snowmane like a god of old, even as Oromë the Great in the battle of the Valar when the world was young. His golden shield was uncovered, and lo! it shone like an image of the Sun, and the grass flamed into green about the white feet of his steed. For morning came, morning and a wind from the sea; and darkness was removed, and the hosts of Mordor wailed, and terror took them, and they fled, and died, and the hoofs of wrath rode over them. And then all the host of Rohan burst into song, and they sang as they slew, for the joy of battle was on them, and the sound of their singing that was fair and terrible came even to the City.

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Damn, he was good.

I almost did in the cinema; I was breathing hard.

>And Rohan answers
Good god that horn. How did Jackson create this and the Hobbit, it's truly bizarre

How can the fuck fat even remotely think of himself to be on the same level, it's laughable.

SPARTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANS
GIVE THEM NOTHING, BUT TAKE FROM THEM, EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!

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>he blew such a blast upon it that it burst asunder.

god damn I love this line. Absolute CHAD

But the horses alone tossed the Orcs like grass, no?

Chad Rohirrim Vs Virgin Dothraki

Those are oliphants, they're significantly cheaper than elephants.

Probably the only scene where, no matter how many times I've seen it, I still get a shiver down my spine from it.

>death
Holy shit do they really yell this? I always understood it as "DEEEEEEEEH"

They're charging downhill into the rear echelon of a besieging force, there's few better ways to use a massed cavalry charge.

>They would realistically end up in the middle of the horde of orcs and be surrounded and slaughtered.
It's basically 1:1 the relief of Vienna by the Holy League in 1683 where cavalry charged Ottoman forces that were pinned against the walls of the city and broke them. Losing momentum is a serious threat to heavy cavalry charges sure but it's not a guaranteed result even when dealing with numerically superior forces. If the charge can cause enough disruption and chaos in the enemy lines, they can break their lines of communication before a counter-attack can be organised and rout the entire force, which is what happened.

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that's a great moment though

It's "DEBT"!

>letting the elephants charge you when you're on horseback
A counter charge was the right move, brainlet.

Sometimes I wonder if Theoden was meant to be a parallel to Sobieski. Both were elderly kings that came to save their fellow man in their darkest hours. The sotry of Vienna always gets me, makes me proud to be Polish.

I honestly don't think this will ever be surpassed

Fighting from horse still gives you an advantage, and the first impact is made to crush the morale, which it did, the orcs weren't fearless, if anything they were cowardly

It's underappreciated but I adore the relationship between Merry and Eowyn. It's a genuinely sweet, tender kind of partnership, unconventional as it may be. You can really get a sense that they care for one another and there's a symbiosis in it.

youtube.com/watch?v=nQrE8vOM0ss

>About to be attacked
>Start singing
Are the Welsh literally autistic?

It's a manlet fantasy

If you dont get even the slightest bit emotional from that speech, you're either a w*man or a liar.

Tbf they did blow the ever loving shit out of them with artillery first, textbook maneuver.
No shit Sherlock

The orcs were disorganised and scattered, some were in the city. They came for a siege and were unprepared to meet a cavalry charge on an open plain. If you have 6000 horses charging towards you the ground would be shaking like mad, even with a dozen horses at a racetrack you can feel the vibration. Orcs are compelled by fear, as soon as a greater threat appears they will shit themselves and run away.

>were unprepared to meet a cavalry charge on an open plain
This. Their anti-cavalry defences amounted to about two or three loose ranks of orcs equipped with pretty ropey-looking 7ft spears.

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Just like Turks

>charging shock cavalry head first into tarpit unbreakable zombie
ya blew it

>Ywn see a charge of the Knights of Bretonnia in full cinematic glory.
>Ywn see Pegasus Knights swooping in with the sun at their backs.

for lotr he had time to plan it. For hobbit he came midway into the project and resorted to a lot of cgi and story lengthening to trilogy.

He was more interested in restoring old WWI footage

Singing is a bonding experience and can keep up morale. Especially when you're about to shoot at a bunch of angry nigs armed with spears and shields.

>a sword-day
based retards in this thread

Is it true that only White people can understand this scene?

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I suppose the orcs might all have been shaken by fear and trampled each other in the general rout. Otherwise, yeah, there's no way you can charge into a holding mass of people like this.
The ottomans at vienna were in disarray because the infantry part of the relief force had given them a good beating already when the cavalry charged... don't tell the poles though.

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Reminder that the elves were the true heroes of Helm's Deep.

God I hate Hackson so much.

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The love story with Kili was so pointless, even more than this "look guys we don't forgot about Feanor" character
Still first two Hobbits were nice

BORING AND TIRED

>Tbf they did blow the ever loving shit out of them with artillery first, textbook maneuver.
Tbh Sobieski saw that ottomans camp was doghit without any defences.

It's a Nandor niggers, they aren't very smart

>DEEEEEEEEH
based retard

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You just know

>Not only cucking the Dorfs out of a heroic holding-the-line moment against the Uruk charge but emphasising what turbo-manlets they are at the same time
Based Elves.

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> I'd never thought I'd die fighting side-by-side with an elf
> What about side-by-side with a friend?

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based post

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Why didn't the elves just shoot the Balrogs with ballista?

>Killing dragons (wyverns) with giant crossbows (not even proper ballista)
>Not drawing your sword and then surfing your magical flying ship into hand-to-hand battle against a dragon so large that when you kill it in mid-air, it takes out a small mountain range on impact

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Silmarillion was a mistake

>Silmarillion was metal as fuck
Fix'd that 4 u

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ASH NAZG DURBATULÚK, ASH NAZG GIMBATUL,
ASH NAZG THRAKATULÚK AGH BURZUM-ISHI KRIMPATUL

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No, it's written kino.

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why would he not take 5 seconds to stab gandalf before flying off to deal with the riders?

Shit writing, imo

Are you the same autist who bitch about "m-muh realism" in previous dragon thread? Kill yourself faggot.

Martin? Because he worries about tax policy.

TAAAAAAAX!

I'm not but fuck you anyway

Fun Fact: Most of the Rohirrim in that scene are women with fake beards glued on, because the casting call was for people who could supply their own horses, which was mainly women.

No u

you just know

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>battle of bastards was fantastic.

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>implying the Witch King could beat Gandalf in a fight
That was a deleted scene for a reason.

Nice autocorrect gaylord

It's "NOOOOOOO!"

''no''

Yes, but in Old English.

>first rows of elves so absolutely obliterated they disappear from the face of the earth

movies=/=books and in the books rohan arrived as they were about to fight anyway, Witch King is more powerful in siege of gondor because Sauron is essentially buffing him, while I think Gandalf would win there is room for interpretation

>he worries about tax policy
But he doesn't really, I know he claimed that was the difference between his books and Tolkien's but he's either not actually read Tolkien or has an inaccurate view of his own work, you're given not real detail about how the Seven Kingdoms operate at a state level, he's too busy detailing the political backstabbing and daily lives of his characters.

Lord of the Rings goes into the legal processes that left Gondor under command of a string of Stewards and how Grima Wormtongue was able to subvert the Kingdom of Rohan by isolating the king from his family after the death of his son, to about the same depth than ASoIaF goes into it's own state functions. GRRMs books aren't any more practically minded or politically detailed than Tolkiens, just Tolkien wrote about heroic deeds in poetic language whilst Martin likes to go into detail about shitting in ditches.

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One thing I never understood about those epic war speeches is how does anyone get to hear anything the guy in a riding horse is shouting? The 50 people closest to him might maybe get what he's saying at the moment before he trails off and then what. The entire army acts as if they heard the most motivating words of their life like sound was propagating without loss for miles.

Gandalf would just respawn anyway, the Valar weren't fucking around by this point and Gandalf was their DMPC.

In real life soldiers are trained to echo any command given so everyone hears them, it's one of the first things you're taught. Might be trickier with a whole speech but if he pauses between each sentence he might get away with it.

what colour would he be next

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I don't remember if the scene is even in the book.

They are about to fight when the courtyard is breached by him and grond, then Rohan arrives and WK fucks off to deal with them

the rainbow

He'd just start cycling through all those different kinds of white that women claim they can see when decorating.

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>even as Oromë the Great in the battle of the Valar when the world was young
This is what separates Tolkien from Martin. This one line offers a glimpse to the reader an even bigger part of the story that for more than twenty years after RotK was published, was unseen. Martin critiques Tolkien for the lack of political depth to his world. But his usage of dragons, the Others, and other magical races and creatures makes little sense when he doesn't seem to have built a legendarium behind them. How are the continent's of Westeros and Essos formed? Where did the Others, the Children of the Forest and Dragons come from? What is the source of magic?

>Gandalf the Seashell
heh

DEEEEEH
cringe

>battle of bastards was fantastic
Yikeseroni

>the Black
KARA BOGA

>battle of bastards was fantastic

Only from an emotional/storytelling point of view, The battle itself was full retard and defied the laws of physics.

Thats a meme pic, isnt it. The parts arent actually different, there's just nonsense written on them. R-rigth?

user, you might be colorblind.

youtube.com/watch?v=t5lFFvOAdsA
>you'll never be this cool

The fall of Isengard seemed pretty realistic to me.

Ever watch the Queen's Birthday parade? Officers can really get their voice across. Plus, they never bark orders rapidly, making them easier understood.

youtu.be/qcvBKkZ3J1A?t=1485

Probably would have been easiest to break the dam and watch from a distance desu

too cringe to watch

I'm sure it's just my cheap screen

What annoyed me most (apart from the mountains of corpses out of nothing), was the horses just smashing into each other like cars, presumably shattering every bone in their bodies. You will 100% never convince a horse to charge straight into another horse. They will pass each other if there is space (as in a joust or a nomal cavalry skirmish), otherwise they will stop in their tracks, probably throwing the idiot in the saddle headlong onto the other guy's lance, and deservedly so.

I can never finish that video

non-whites can understand the other side at least

When the Romans BTFOed Boudiccas revolt

Yes

Is that a mod

Do you know how to read colour codes? Even without seeing the colours they represent, you can understand they're basically the same
For example, FFFFF0 has a bit less blue than FFFFFF. How much less? The number goes from 0 to 255, FF is 255 and F0 is like 240. Virtually no difference.

>The doom of the Elves is to be immortal, to love the beauty of the world, to bring it to full flower with their gifts of delicacy and perfection, to last while it lasts, never leaving it even when ‘slain’, but returning – and yet, when the Followers come, to teach them, and make way for them, to ‘fade’ as the Followers grow and absorb the life from which both proceed. The Doom (or the Gift) of Men is mortality, freedom from the circles of the world.”

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And yet they make and sell these colors and pass them off as being different. I wonder who could be behind this?

warhammer? Really what game is this?

Why do anglos use Boudicca as symbol? Her chimp out was so pathetic I would just bury it in the sand 10 feet deep.

>Arise, arise, posters of Yea Forums!
Big guys shall be shaken, waifu's shall be splintered,
a meme-day, a Emma day, ere the sun rises!
Post now, post now, post! Post for mousefags and the capeshit ending!

SNEED
SNEEEEEEED

SNEEEEEDDDDD

based

the madman

This is a meme pic, I tested the colour codes

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total dlc

Because she was allegedly hot or at least striking.

Remember when movies were good, boys

>the choice was either him or another bastard who brought a horde of barbarians to south of the wall after centuries of pushing them back
>tfw no proper Manderly in the show

Just bought Children of Hurin. What am I in for?

elephants are more scared of horses than horses are of elephants

The best storyTolkien ever wrote.

She was essentially unknown until the Victorian era when suddenly ancient warrior-queens became popular again and she was presented as an ideal, despite the fact that all she did was slaughter the civilian population of a couple of towns and then get wiped out by the first full-strength legion she encountered. It coincided with a general cultural shift into romanticising "noble barbarians" and pre-Roman cultures (presumably because having surpassed the Roman Empire, no one wanted to entertain the idea that we owed anything to a bunch of Italians) throughout northern Europe, particularly in Germany and Boudicca was the most convenient example.

Poor ol' Caratacus who led a decades-long resistance against Roman invasion (before being betrayed by a queen) meanwhile is completely forgotten and Æthelflæd, one of our greatest queens, successful war-leader, defender of the Isles from Danish invasion and one of the architects of the modern idea of England, is also completely unknown to the general public.

Whilst some murderous Celtic bint gets a statue right outside the Houses of Parliament. No justice in the world.

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Because they're both fish out of water that shouldn't be there, but are because they love someone/something. It's the kind of writing that is too pure for the cringey cynical post-post-modern world.

Based Caratacus poster

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best god damned moment in all of cinema

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>Fire!

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Kino and Feels.

I gotta watch theses movies again holy shit

That's one of the best 'No!' screams in the movies lad.

Boudica gets a statue because she got her entire force slaughtered through sheer stupidity, making her a perfect icon of feminine hubris and the inability of females to discern their actual abilities and skills from what their ego pretends they are.

>let's charge head-first at the world's premier shock infantry superpower when the cornerstone of their entire military thought revolves around defeating shock impact strategies using group tactics
>while we're at it, let's also block off any escape path using a wagon train so everyone is forced to fight, what could go wrong

There was also a Norman woman who helped her husband on campaign and was quite good at warfare, but we'll never get a movie about her in the current year because all of the cast would have to be white.

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GRRM is a spiteful little man of low cunning.

There is no comparison. Tolkien is a fucking master

>There was also a Norman woman who helped her husband on campaign and was quite good at warfare
Name? She sounds based.

>Behind him his banner blew in the wind, white horse upon a field of green, but he outpaced it. After him thundered the knights of his house, but he was ever before them

this is a great line

>tfw you will never see the Sauron vs Finrod magical rap battle on a big screen

He chanted a song of wizardry,
Of piercing, opening, of treachery,
Revealing, uncovering, betraying.
Then sudden Felagund there swaying
sang in answer a song of staying,
Resisting, battling against power,
Of secrets kept, strength like a tower,
And trust unbroken, freedom, escape;
Of changing and of shifting shape,
Of snares eluded, broken traps,
The prison opening, the chain that snaps,
Backwards and forwards swayed their song.
Reeling and foundering, as ever more strong
The chanting swelled, Felagund fought,
And all the magic and might he brought,
Of Elvenesse into his words.
Softly in the gloom they heard the birds
Singing afar in Nargothrond,
The sighing of the sea beyond,
Beyond the western world, on sand,
On sand of pearls in Elvenland.
Then the gloom gathered; darkness growing
In Valinor, the red blood flowing
Beside the sea, where the Noldor slew
The Foamriders, and stealing drew
Their white ships with their white sails
From lamplit havens. The wind wails,
The wolf howls. The ravens flee.
The ice mutters in the mouths of the sea.
The captives sad in Angband mourn,
Thunder rumbles, the fires burn-
And Finrod fell before the throne.

>merri
midge

>t-the more she drank the more she shat

awful

I think you underestimate how devastating a massive cavalry charge into a flank is. They weren't going into the frontlines, they were cutting right through their army. And even then, it was essentially a death or glory last hurrah attack since they knew they were doomed.

The problem with GRRM is that he leaves too many gaps that he doesn't feel like filling, either because he's lazy as fuck or because he's too cynical to give his stories any sort of deeper background. This results in fanfiction shit which, more often than not, is actually better at explaining GRRM's world than GRRM.

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Horse women are legitimately insane and if a women tells you she has a horse or loves to ride or loves horses stay far far away

now i want to watch the rest damn it

Quite possibly the dumbest shit out of all three movies, and that's saying something. How does Hackson go from Helm's Deep elf tactics, to this shit

>For frodo

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Brings tears to my eyes even after all these years

AAAAAAAAAAA LADS when are we doing another lotr marathon stream? It's been too long

What GRRM wishes he was. All the shit GRRM is praised for Tolkien did in the Children of Hurin.

Saw this scene probably a 100 times over the years, still get shivers and tears in my eyes every single time i watch it.

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>that rider at 6:08

why is this so true? dated a lady who loved horses and she was a straight up psycho. she loved to fuck with my head

but think about how she might ride your dick. i mean, she knows really well how to move in that position.

They're used to commanding complete obedience from large dumb animals and like all women, they consider that to include men.

Thats actually accurate.

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>This has 15 million views
>Megalovania from Undertale has 100 million views

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Fuck, now I need to watch the whole extended Trilogy again.

Chuckled

What adds to the beauty is all the different random armor and weapons they wore. It'll never be topped lads

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Its never worth it.
>T. dated a horse girl

>What about Brexit?
>We've already had it.
>We had one, yes. But what about second Brexit?
>...

No Sneed should have to bury their feed

>DEEEEBBBBTTTT

>killed Durin's Bane, a Maia
>has been brought back to life, greater than Saruman
>jobbing to a glorified wight
Yeah, no. Great fan fiction, Hackson.

The Witch King's power waxed and waned with Sauron's power. The fact he's equal to Gandalf in that scene is to show how crazy fucking strong Sauron is in that moment.

Wasn't it also a matter of where Saurons focus lay, things which were important to him, saw his minions strengthened.

>equal
He was equal with the balrog, where fight took many days and he paid his life for it
Here the Witch-King broke his stuff and was ready to finish him off in a moment only to be distracted by the horn.

Durin’s BANE?

aye

you can even see a bit of color on the baby powder one that he failed to crop out

Jackson fucked up and he knew it which is why the scene is deleted from the theatrical and home release.

youtube.com/watch?v=WMrgYJNC8r8

Gandalf at no point was afraid of the Witch King if the Witch King could even match or beat Gandalf is never answered but as far as the scene by Tolkien goes he appears to be equal to him in that moment. I don't think Tolkien ever gave it a real answer like most things allowing us to speculate about it.

The staff-breaking was a fair amount of bullshit, and probably a big reason that scene isn't in the main cut. But in the books the Witch King was ready and willing to throw down with Gandalf right after they broke the gate.

Yeah,
that scene jackson from his arse he took.

>Forth, and fear no darkness! Rise, rise riders of Theoden!
>Ride now, ride now! Ride to Gondor! Suddenly the king cried to Snowmane and the horse sprang away. Behind him his banner blew in the wind, white horse upon a field of green, but he outpaced it. After him thundered the knights of his house, but he was ever before them. Éomer rode there, the white horsetail on his helm floating in his speed, and the front of the first éored roared like a breaker foaming to the shore, but Théoden could not be overtaken
This is unironically some of the most beautiful writing fantasy, hell, even ficiton as a whole, will ever see. Everything about this is evokes a sense of emotion that's hard to parallel. The undeniable bravery of the hobbits in the face of dangers they'd never even have been able to comprehend had they stayed in the shire. The sense of hope and desperation that the heroes face. Theoden's bravery leading the charge into their ranks of orcs. It's beautiful. Tolkien was a man far and above his time.

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>No, seriously
Fuck off to twitter you fucking homo

Lets not forget the entire scouring of the shire. Merry, Pippin and Sam showing up as Giga Chads strutting through the Occupied Shire.

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>tfw you will never die with even a fraction of the glory in this scene

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Lads, what do you make of Christopher Tolkien's opinion on Jackson's LotR trilogy?

>"Tolkien has become a monster, devoured by his own popularity and absorbed into the absurdity of our time," Christopher Tolkien observes sadly. "The chasm between the beauty and seriousness of the work, and what it has become, has overwhelmed me. The commercialization has reduced the aesthetic and philosophical impact of the creation to nothing. There is only one solution for me: to turn my head away."

>"They eviscerated the book by making it an action movie for young people aged 15 to 25," Christopher says regretfully. "And it seems that The Hobbit will be the same kind of film."

birthmoviesdeath.com/2013/01/09/why-jrr-tolkiens-son-hates-what-peter-jackson-has-done

I actually thought the movie did it better in this regard. The Shire being left intact at the end of the franchise proves Sam right in that some things are worth fighting to protect. They fought so the Shire would be protected, and they won and it was. The hobbits destroying the ring and doing all that other shit only to go home and see it getting fucked up is a downer.

I dont think this statement does the LotR trilogy any justice at all. It's spot on for the Hobbit though.

I don't put that much stock in what Christopher Tolkien has to say about it. Children of Hurin was literally about killing some orcs, political backstabbing, let's go rob shit, fuck that dragon, and incest.

Semi-based.
I"ve always respected authors who disavow what the film industry does to their source material, so it's fun seeing LOTR films being denounce by the heir of Tolkien.

Chris seems like he holds his father's work in high esteem, the highest esteem any person can, and I can understand his desire to protect it, but ultimately I also think he pales in comparison to his father and Tolkien himself would approve of the trilogy. Even as something other than a true adaptation, it has such a clear artistic vision and a pure dedication to it as a craft that it stands on its own merits.

Honestly, I completely understand him. Jackson's trilogy is actually full of 'absurdity' if you look. The problem isn't that they had to cut a lot of characters and chapters to tell it in a reasonable time, but the stuff that was never in the books that was inserted for no real gain. Examples include:
Glorfindel being replaced by Arwen
Boromir being a massive cunt 90% of his screen time
The fight in Balin's tomb with the Cave Troll
Gandalf dueling the Balrog DURING their free-fall
Grishnahk wanting to eat merry and pippin
Elves at Helm's Deep
Legolas shield-surfing
Gimli being reduced to comic-relief
The invincible OP army of the dead
Minas Tirith sitting on a barren plain
Legolas soloing a Mumakil
The entire Minas Tirith siege being lobotomized

The movie did it right for the movie but the scouring is my favorite part of the books. The Hobbits are important but they are always sort of pushed aside and told to stay away from the action. The Scouring is the Hobbits moment to show they are leaders and heroes as well.

They are no longer young boys listening to stories of Bilbo's adventures. They are men raising their people to arms to liberate their home.

Why didn't that Nazgul faggot kill Gandolf?

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>shuffles a couple of deaths around
>all the interesting shit is just what happened on the show
>only real addition is some gay time travel bullshit that contributes NOTHING to the ongoing story
>"this was set up" "this means that the arc is paid off" "this means that the story is MUCH more satisfying"
what an absolute cunt

Gandalf had him right where he wanted him. The Witch King stood no chance. Having his staff broken and falling off his horse was a 4444D chess move.

Tolkien was born in South Africa, any white from there is racist fucking scum.

You guys seems to forget he was an istari, aka "very restricted mayar"
Even in battle with Balrog he had to follow the same rule as mortals

That doesn't explain anything. Gandalf is a pretty big threat and The Witch King had Gandalf completely naked.

He beat a Balrog with less power then he has when he faced the Witch King. After he died against the Balrog he was sent back stronger. Unless the Witch King is as strong as a Balrog which I doubt. Gandalf was about to kick the shit out of the Witch King.

it was his hour

Honestly, it's a fucking miracle how LotR ISNT filled with all of the stupid bullshit producers shit up movies with nowadays.

DEAAAAAAAATH!

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I am saying Gandalf was about to kick him in the balls. Forcing the Witch King to turn to the screen and go OWI ZOWIE right in my ball and chains.

always gives me chills

Battle of the Bastards was enjoyable unlike the long night, but the battle itself was still incredibly poorly written and nonsensical, especially the retarded piles of bodies that are 30ft high.

I seriously doubt he was 'following the same rules' as a mortal being when he fell several miles into the bowels of the earth and then fought a demon for nine straight days.
I think people take the idea of the Istari being 'restricted' far too literally. Maiar are superhuman but they aren't god-like, Sauron 'died' in the wave that drowned Numenor, and he died again in battle during the Last Alliance. It was a great feat that Gandalf did kill the Balrog, but it basically kills him too. The Nazgul were a legitimate threat to Gandalf, the characters in Tolkien don't have 'power levels' like some anime or rpg.

How's tom bombadil song in french

This it was a battle of a few thousand on each side not tens of thousands.

>Ride for ruin and the world's ending!
>DEATH!
Not sure what part of this dialogue makes you think they had any strategy except for "let's kill as many orcs as we can before the world fucking ends"

They were matching the Zulu

>ywn see the battle of tears unnumbered on the big screen
Why even live?

Because he didn't have any passion in making it and the studio kept whinging at him for more epic shit

To reiterate, though, those lines are actually written for Éomer, when he's desperate with grief after the death of Théoden.

This also the Rohirrem were Heavy Infantry and Orcs are notorious for breaking rank very easily. On top of that the Rohirrem were very experienced fighting orcs. Finally the Rohirrem knew losing here or retreating basically meant the end of the world.

>the Rohirrem were Heavy Infantry

>I seriously doubt he was 'following the same rules' as a mortal being when he fell several miles into the bowels of the earth and then fought a demon for nine straight days.
He still died.

Compared to the Dothraki they were.

Re-read that post. Keep re-reading it until you get it.

read the rest of my post retart

No, I will diminish, and go into the West and remain a faggot.

Eowyn was not a main character.

You are probably bait but the sad thing is some stupid fucktards truly believe that.

He left south africa when he was 2 years old.

Pure kino! I will always have this edged into my brain to the day i die

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Just to make sure: point was you referred to the riders of Rohan as infantry.

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If only Warhammer cavalry was as good as Med 2's.

>theoden was one of the two characters in the legendarium to ever be compared to Orome
>the other one was an elvenking from the elder days as he suicidally rode to challenge Satan to a 1v1 duel

Thank God

>ywn charge with your comrades into battle for so worthy a cause, and for so worthy a leader
There’s not another scene in any film that consistently makes me teary-eyed like this one. Titanic gets me every now and then as well, but even then it’s the scenes of the officers trying desperately to maintain order or the electricians trying to keep the lights on to the bitter end.

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>In rode the Lord of the Nazgul, under archway that no enemy ever yet had passed, and all fled before his face. All save one. There, waiting, silent and still in the space before the Gate, sat Gandalf upon Shadowfax...
>"Old fool!" he said. "Old fool! This is my hour. Do you not know Death when you see it? Die now and curse in vain!" And with that he lifted high his sword and flames ran down the blade. Gandalf did not move.

Gandalf's defeat in the film was a mistake, they never resolved their confrontation in the book, but I would hope that a "servant of the Secret Fire and wielder of the Flame of Anor" would deal with a creature vulnerable to fire.

Fucking Eagles were even lazier in the First Age, Thorondor only dabbed on Melkor after Fingolfin got BTFO. Bet they didn't even look very hard for Hurin either, just bullshitted to Turgon they searched everywhere.

get the fuck outta here

>he appears to be equal to him in that moment
Could be hubris on the part of the Witch King. Gandalf is literally unmoved by him.

>The staff-breaking was a fair amount of bullshit
Agreed
>But in the books the Witch King was ready and willing to throw down with Gandalf right after they broke the gate.
Also true, but I would still place my faith in Gandalf, however much the Witch King has been enhanced by Sauron, Gandalf is a Maiar and should not be in the same league as something that started its existence as a mortal man.
>"very restricted mayar"
The restriction was not placed on his power, but on his application of it. The Istari were forbidden from dominating the free peoples into opposing Sauron, or fighting Sauron one on one because of Beleriand but they were quite free to fry individuals with lightning if they felt it necessary.

A man does not have himself killed for a half-pence a day or for a petty distinction. You must speak to the soul in order to electrify him

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I always felt that the witch kings WORDS hurt Gandalf way more then his mystic powers ever could. You can see on his face, until he hears the horn, that he was contemplating the chance that the witch king was right.

thanks god

Imagine living in Vienna back then and actually see Sobieski cavalry numbering 18,000 strong, with the polish hussars as vanguard destroying Ottomans forces and saving Europe from Islam faggotary. Why there is no movie about it I wonder?

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Yeah, I know what you mean, Sir Ian is a great actor and conveys that aspect really well, but its the contradiction with the book that irks me. There is no definitive conclusion to the confrontation in the original work, so why make that choice in the film?

My own opinion is that the Witch King bought into his own hype re: the prophecy and had the confrontation not been ended by the arrival of the Rohirrim, Gandalf would have had his own "I am no man" moment, revealed his divine nature to the Witch King only and lit him up in such a way as to make Sheev jealous.

I fucking hate elves and Tolkien's autistic obsession with them.

It's very much in the spirit of Tolkien's writing, as a linguist he appreciated the relationship between magic and rhetoric.

Elves are pretty cool in the books, especially in Silmarillion. They're not pansies.

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There is one. It's not particularly good, but it exists. youtu.be/X8zCv0AHnCs

Fact: This one scene is better than the entirety of GoT

This scene triggers the GoT-watching, Yea Forumsmblr posting, capeshit-worshiping, onions-guzzling zoomer.

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>Thorondor only dabbed on Melkor after Fingolfin got BTFO.
Curse of Mandos. Besides eagles literally answers only to Manwe

Scenes women will never understand.

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Based Poles

>Gandalf is a Maiar and should not be in the same league as something that started its existence as a mortal man.
I'm sorry user, but that sounds retarded. Tolkien did not write characters like that. Gandalf was in serious danger trying to distract the riders from chasing Frodo and company during Fellowship. And that was explicitly when it was 'not their hour', when Sauron felt that discretion was more important than open conflict.

>mortal man Ar-Pharazon who was so based he made the Valar shit themselves and run crying to daddy
>mortal man Beorn solos an entire army
>mortal man Aragorn BTFO Sauron in Palantir staring match

yeah but these were REAL men, not nu-male men

Pure litkino

>cav charge to the flank against an army with very low morale is dumb
Ok

Kek

People thinking that moment was "retarded" or funny is exactly why we get dishonest cinema. That was such a honest, vulnerable, realistic scream. People ugly scream like that in real life

>tmw you commit a cavalry charge into the enemy's rear.

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>The Rohirrim indeed had no need of news or alarm. All too well they could see for themselves the black sails. For Éomer was now scarcely a mile from the Harlond, and a great press of his first foes was between him and the haven there, while new foes came swirling behind, cutting him off from the Prince. Now he looked to the River, and hope died in his heart, and the wind that he had blessed he now called accursed. But the hosts of Mordor were enheartened, and filled with a new lust and fury they came yelling to the onset.

>Stern now was Éomer's mood, and his mind clear again. He let blow the horns to rally all men to his banner that could come thither; for he thought to make a great shield-wall at the last, and stand, and fight there on foot till all fell, and do deeds of song on the fields of Pelennor, though no man should be left in the West to remember the last King of the Mark. So he rode to a green hillock and there set his banner, and the White Horse ran rippling in the wind.

>Out of doubt, out of dark to the day's rising
>I came singing in the sun, sword unsheathing.
>To hope's end I rode and to heart's breaking:
>Now for wrath, now for ruin and a red nightfall!

>These staves he spoke, yet he laughed as he said them. For once more lust of battle was on him; and he was still unscathed, and he was young, and he was king: the lord of a fell people. And lo! even as he laughed at despair he looked out again on the black ships, and he lifted up his sword to defy them.

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>Sunset found her squatting in the grass..

>Gandalf was in serious danger trying to distract the riders from chasing Frodo and company during Fellowship

Yes, at night. During the day they fled from him, and nevertheless, he held them off, all nine, including the Witch King, all night until morning and then tried to lead them away from Frodo without apparent injury.

After this he defeats the Balrog at the cost of his life and is returned as 'the White' with greater powers than he used to drive off the Nine.

>Tolkien did not write characters like that

Tolkien did not write characters with some sort of internal consistency as to their strength when compared to other characters?

"Fly! This is a foe beyond any of you." Seems like Gandalf, a maia, recognised that the Balrog, another maia, was by its nature more powerful than the mortals accompanying him, even the heir of Elendil, the heir of Denethor and the heir of Thranduil and so advised them to flee.

It is, their fight is interrupted by the break of dawn and a rooster's song.

Except LotR is supposed to have phat plot armor, the plot of LotR isn't as good as the story.

>Eomer's War Face at 6:00

Goosebumps every fucking time.

Anyone remembers the first Hobbit trailer which was just some shots from the movie with this song? youtube.com/watch?v=BEm0AjTbsac fuck that made me excited, who could've thought that it'll end so badly