AVENGERS: ENDGAME Spoiler Q&As

So the Russos and the writers have been doing a lot of Q&As about the movie lately. Here's a round-up of all relevant information.


>Robert Downey Jr. and Chris Evans are both done with the MCU and there are no plans for bring them back in the future.

>Smart Hulk would appear during the Battle of Wakanda in INFINITY WAR, but it did not feel right to have Banner have a win when everybody else lost. Several drafts featured Banner’s experiments in the gamma laboratory before it was ultimately decided to just jump right into it, with Ant-Man as the audience surrogate asking “WTF is going on?”

>There is a deleted scene detailing what Hulk has been up to in terms of crimefighting during the five-year jump, but it felt superfluous.

>Hawkeye was left out of INFINITY WAR because “reluctantly leaving his family to fight” would just be a retread of his CIVIL WAR arc and he would have no greater impact in the Battle of Wakanda. His family being dusted was also planned for INFINITY WAR to show the global effect of the snap, but the Russos decided it undermined the urgency of what was going on in Wakanda.

>There is some deleted content about Hawkeye in Japan leading up to his reunion with Black Widow.

>Doctor Strange VS. Thanos in INFINITY WAR was originally much longer and trippier, and included an appearance from the Living Tribunal watching from afar as they fought across dimensions, but everyone felt it was too weird with proper context.

>Earlier drafts detailed Thanos’ flashbacks in 10 minutes worth of flashbacks, some of which were shot before the whole thing was cut for being superfluous. They revealed that Thanos was an aberration due to his appearance and was sent to a space gulag for years due to his extremist ideas, during which his race died out as he predicted. It was in prison that Thanos began building his criminal empire.

>Vision is dead as far as the Russos are concerned, and there were no plans to revive in ENDGAME.

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>Thor would originally be on a “mission of vengeance” in ENDGAME, but the writers felt that was just retreading old ground and decided to completely just Thor by making him a fat drunk.

>Thor was originally more serious and tortured in INFINITY WAR/ENDGAME. Only after meeting Taika Waititi and learning what he was doing in THOR: RAGNAROK that they found a way to add humor to the character.

>They wanted to keep present Thanos alive at first, but there was no organic way for the five-year jump to happen if he was kept alive after the Avengers confronted him at the Garden.

>There is quite a bit of Black Widow material that ended up being deleted, including her “depression montage” which sets up the birdhouse and a moment she shares with Hawkeye on the way to Vormir.

>There reportedly is an extended comedic scene of Scott Lang being interrogated by the security guard played by Ken Jeong.

>There reportedly is an alternate version of Thor’s recruitment set at a bar, which is a little more serious and features Valkyrie more prominently and no Korg & Miek.

>MCU time travel follows the “Multiverse Theory”, in which changing the past creates a branched timeline from the changed point onwards, rather than affect the “prime timeline”.

>The Russos believe that Captain America lived his life in a branched timeline and later came back to the prime timeline to pass his shield onto Falcon, while the writers believe he was always part of the prime timeline and was Peggy’s husband all along. So, choose your own ending.

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>The writers were reluctant to revisit THE AVENGERS. Earlier drafts had Stark accompanying Thor and Rocket to 2013’s Asgard and using a stealth armor to steal the Tesseract from Odin’s vault, leading to a fight with Heimdall, while Cap, Hulk and Ant-Man would steal Loki’s scepter from the Triskelion in 2013 (hence recreating the elevator scene from THE WINTER SOLDIER) and then drive to the Sanctum Sanctorum to get the Time Stone from the Ancient One.

>Before they came up with the Cap VS. Cap scene, they planned a Thor VS. Thor scene in Asgard. Even after that was scrapped, they considering having a comedic moment of past Thor running into present Thor and wondering what the fuck went wrong.

>Jane Foster’s appearance was deleted footage from with Rocket digitally added into the frame, but Natalie Portman did ADR new dialogue for it. They originally planned a scene where Thor meets her and they discuss their relationship, but it prolongued the scene too much, and they favored Thor’s reunion with Frigga.

>They considered having Thor regain his muscly physique through magic/time-travel/whatever, but felt it reduced Thor’s depression too much of a joke and it was more effective to see him still being a great hero despite the extra weight.

>Some versions had the 2012 Avengers butting heads with either Nick Fury or Maria Hill over Loki’s jurisdiction, in case Robert Redford could not return.

>The Morag segment was very different in earlier drafts: Black Widow, Hawkeye, War Machine and Nebula would go back to Morag together, and the planet would be completely underwater and ravaged by thunderstorms. They would have to evade sea monsters to reach the temple and get the orb.

>The Vormir segment was also different, but Thanos’ soldiers ambushing Black Widow and Hawkeye, and Black Widow running the gauntlet and getting shot several times before she manages to jump off the cliff. Ultimately, they felt it detracted from the emotional core of the scene.

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>Some drafts had Hawkeye jump instead of Black Widow. They also considering having the Hulk be with her on Vormir, but ultimately felt Hawkeye and her had the stronger bond.

>Black Widow and present Gamora are 100% dead. Soul Stone sacrifices are irreversible regardless of time travel or Infinity Stones.

>Hulk’s arm is permanently gimped.

>The final battle was originally much longer, with its own three-act structure, and apparently there’s 15 minutes worth of deleted content from it.

>There was a segment called “reunions and team-ups”, which featured characters that shared close bonds like Cap & Bucky, Rocket & Groot, Black Panther & Okoye and Ant-Man & Wasp more reuniting in the battlefield, and characters from different franchises fighting together. Eventually they felt it the segment was getting too long/self-aware and stripped it down.

>They considered having Hank Pym and Janet Pym join the fight in their own Ant-Man and Wasp suits, but that fell by the wayside.

>The writers envisioned a comedic scene where the battle briefly gets paused for whatever reason, and an assorted of roughly 15 random characters from all corners of the MCU end up together in the trench trying to figure out what their next battle move should be, but they felt the scene ultimately broke the pace and wasn’t funny enough.

>The all-female shot almost didn’t happen as the Russos and the writers recognize it was a bit too fanservice-y, but they feel it was a worthy compromise to celebrate all the great female characters of the MCU.

>Howard the Duck’s cameo was a last-minute addition during the final month of post-production.

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>They went through dozens of variations of Stark’s last words, none of them satisfactory (“Eat it, Barney”, for example). They actually shot it with Stark saying nothing at first, and “I am Iron Man” was suggested by the editor while assembling the rough cut. They persuaded RDJ to come back and he reshot the scene with it.

>Originally, after snapping his fingers, Stark would end up in the same metaphysical Soul World that Thanos did in INFINITY WAR. While Thanos saw a manifestation of Gamora as a child, Tony would see a manifestation of his daughter as an adult, played by Katherine Langford from 13 REASONS WHY, and she would forgive him for leaving, but test-audiences didn’t connect with the scene and it was cut.

>Doctor Strange always knew the one timeline where they won required Stark to figure out time travel and then die wielding the Infinity Gauntlet, hence why he gave up the Time Stone in Titan to spare Stark from a premature death.

>Doctor Strange couldn’t use the Time Stone to revive Stark because it is not powerful enough to undo the damage of the full might of the Infinity Gauntlet on Stark’s body.

>”I love you 3000” was ad-libbed by RDJ. It is something that he says to his real-life children.

>Stark’s funeral was a nightmare to film since they actually got everyone together to film it. Security was reinforced and the actors were told they would be shooting the Stark/Pepper wedding scene to avoid leaks.

>Harley showing up at the funeral is just a neat callback, not evidence that Marvel was plans for him going forward, though the actor is obviously up for anything.

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>There’s a deleted comedic bit of Thor trying to kiss Valkyrie after appointing her queen, and getting turned down.

>They consulted with James Gunn before having Thor leave with the Guardians of the Galaxy.

>They always planned to kill Stark, since he already got to enjoy the retired life he always wanted with Pepper and their daughter during the time skip, and it was thematically fitting to close that chapter of the MCU. They were also adamant he died by his own accord through sacrifice rather than be killed by Thanos.

>They always planned to retire Cap rather than kill him. Cap’s and Stark’s endgames as a reversal of who they started out as: Cap was selfless and self-sacrificial, and learned to put himself first a little. Stark was selfish and self-centered, and learned to be truly selfless.

>RDJ had mixed feelings towards Stark’s death but ultimately came around, while Evans’ felt Cap’s ending was very appropriate.

>They prioritized the imagery and emotional resonance of Old Cap on the bench over over-explaining the mechanics of how he made it back from the branched timeline.

>Bucky knew that Cap was going to stay in the past after returning the Infinity Stones, hence the long hug and the “I’ll miss you”.

>They considered having Bucky take the shield, but felt it wasn’t true to the character who up until that point only wanted to avoid conflict and be left alone. They also felt Falcon was closer to Cap in terms of idealism, determination and duty. He is definitely the new Captain America now.

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>Everyone that did not die by the Snap, such as Loki and Heimdall, are permanently dead, although Loki might be alive in the branched timeline where he stole the Tesseract in 2012.

>The upcoming Disney+ shows will be set after ENDGAME.

>There were never plans to bring back Quicksilver or Justin Hammer, or introduce Adam Warlock or Nova.

>Test-audiences really struggled with time travel rules that didn’t adhere to the BACK TO THE FUTURE “the past immediately changes the future” mentality.

>There were plans for a post-credits scene, but they felt ENDGAME should be proper end to the first 10 years of the MCU, with no sequel baiting.

>Adding the sound of Stark forging the hammer over the Marvel Studios logo in the end was Kevin Feige’s idea.

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Big if true.

>Eat it, Barney

KEK

really interesting read, thanks for posting OP, I could never read shit like this on a news site or reddit, and looper vids steal my time.

Good stuff.

>>Adding the sound of Stark forging the hammer over the Marvel Studios logo in the end was Kevin Feige’s idea.
Joe Russo said in the interview that it was the director's personal farewell to the character.

>no mention of cap meeting back up with the Red Skull
I can't be the only one who wanted to see how that played out

Wait, Howard the Duck showed up? When?

>Doctor Strange VS. Thanos in INFINITY WAR was originally much longer and trippier, and included an appearance from the Living Tribunal watching from afar as they fought across dimensions, but everyone felt it was too weird with proper context.

I mean I agree with the Tribunal cut. That would have been fucking stupid but the battle on Titan def should have been longer.

Right behind the Wasp during the portals scene.

>Soul Stone sacrifices are irreversible regardless of time travel
But Gamora literally comes back from time travel

I think they mean that current timeline character can’t be brought back to life. I guess the stones can’t cancel just ex machina the other was affect or something. So past Gamora is before she got STONE’D.

That was really interesting, thank you for sharing.

>Eat it, Barney
What

> The Russo's think its "inspiring" that Vision's death was pointless.

>The all-female shot almost didn’t happen as the Russos and the writers recognize it was a bit too fanservice-y, but they feel it was a worthy compromise to celebrate all the great female characters of the MCU.

> To celebrate all the sidekicks as Marvel has no popular femake characters, unlike DC.

Uhm youre forgetting Pom

she doesnt?
are you to stupid for basic plotlines user?
the gamora of their timeline is dead, that is gamora from the past and the moment that nebula found out her future self was there also the gamora of a different timeline

there are no plans to revive in endgame
he'll come back, wanda will use her powers to bring him back and since she doesnt have the mind stone anymore will tether him to her reality using the power of the power stone. which is purple and will turn him into wonderman

> Time Stone can fix totally destroyed Vision.

> But not damaged Stark.

Hmmm...

Falcon is TV Captain America, to be precise.

stark was destroyed with the powers of the stones
vision was destroyed by his waifu

>present Gamora
the one that "came back" is Gamora from 2012, years before she met Peter. Meanwhile Nebula killed her 2012 self.

>snyder cut when?

>Doctor Strange couldn’t use the Time Stone to revive Stark because it is not powerful enough to undo the damage of the full might of the Infinity Gauntlet on Stark’s body.
wtf, all they had to say was that they couldn't use the timestone to bring back Tony because the time stone (along with all the other stones) is what killed him in the first place. That seemed obvious to me.

Jesusfuckingchrist who the fuck cares.
Skidoodle skadoodle everything in Marvel is now explained and fixed by time travel and parallel universes. There.

>harley
who the fuck is harley

The stones no longer have anything to do with Wanda. That story is done.

She will likely use her Chaos Magic (which Strange and the sorcerers know nothing about) to extract part of her own soul, and put it into the White Vision, because her magic itself comes from a demon's soul fragment, not the mind stone.

We literally see her look demonic during the fight with Thanos, which was likely Feige's idea as he said she is using Chaos Magic two years ago, while the Russo's (who are X-fags) have dragged their feet favouring the generic pew pew lasers. Feige finally got his way, it seems.

probably because thanos had everything except the mind stone at that point

Yeah that means she was brought back from 'time travel.' What other scenario could that possibly fucking imply? They stole her from the future or something?

It's the kid Tony meets in Iron Man 3.

Man I want that full Dr. Strange v. Thanos fight

did anyone even watch that one

I'm black but Bucky really should've been it

They confirmed they met again and said the rules for returning the soul stone aren't clear but that Red Skull probably has a "no return policy"

I hope the editor got a bonus.

I hate reading these Q&As, regardless of the movie in question, because they show how close to being an absolute disaster the films were, before some borderline miraculous damage control took place and you can just shudder.

I mean every single Bucky appearance in the MCU has at least one scene where he grabs the shield and uses it, foreshadowing his becoming Cap.

Also Sebastian said in an interview they told him Bucky would eventually become Cap.

Falcon got his ass kicked by Ant Man and in the MCU is a very normal dude. Anybody who wears his suit can do what he does.

>They went through dozens of variations of Stark’s last words,

Really, how could they ever imagine it'd be anything but THAT?

>I mean every single Bucky appearance in the MCU has at least one scene where he grabs the shield and uses it, foreshadowing his becoming Cap.

They built it up in so many shots. It's so annoying.

These are the same writers that killed Loki with a simple stab to the throat. Yes they gave us the strange vs thanos stuff too. They're as good as they are bad.

In an interview they say someone random came up with it. Not themselves or RDJ.. maybe one of the writers? Can't remember. Pretty funny how obvious it seems now yet it almost never happened.

Q&A about a movie for kids. Fascinating.

>There were plans for a post-credits scene

Thanks for making me and all the other retards sit there for 10 minutes waiting for nothing

>wonderman
dont worry he is getting it. the birdguy will give it to him knowing he cant truly be the captain, while bucky goes through character development and accepts it willingly

>Thanks for making me and all the other retards sit there for 10 minutes waiting for nothing

Even numbered avengers movies have no after credits scenes, pretty obvious...

>There were plans for a post-credits scene, but they felt ENDGAME should be proper end to the first 10 years of the MCU, with no sequel baiting.

thats funny since they just added a spiderman trailer at the end of it now

Let's hear what minutes you watch as a responsible adult who lurks Yea Forums.

>Anybody who wears his suit can do what he does.
I think that was the point. Anyone can be Cap, it's not his powers, it's his leadership and determination, looking out for the little guy, etc.

why didnt strange just tell stark to figure out time travel

How can Falcon even use the shield without superhuman strength? It's solid metal. Don't even think about rebounding it off of walls with average arm strength

He didn't want to influence the timeline probably. He knew it would happen anyway.

>Even numbered avengers movies have no after credits scenes, pretty obvious...

They all do?

Iron Man 3 made more money than Civil War, so yeah probably a lot of people did.

I'm black and Falcon has no right being Captain America

He said when they met on the battlefield if Tony knew what would happen, it wouldn't happen.

What about Wonder Man?
Unironically one of my favorite Avengers.

I mean it's great and all but it's clumsy as hell, they must have had Brolin come back for the two I am inevitable lines just to not make it seem hopelessly contrived and it's still pretty hopelessly contrived.

i didnt mean to quote that. it was an accident. i was internet searching him and for some reason it got added to the reply

.... Not really. There's no Cap but Steve Rogers. Come on. Like, that's a line we give little kids but even then we and they know it's bullshit

>But that's JUST the thing, Juanito! ANYBODY can be El Zorro!!
>Juanito gets impaled by 4 swords at the same time because it turns out he was a fat fuck and not anybody can really be El Zorro.

The Shied's not heavy. They say when it first appears. However it takes skill to use it. If you pay attention, the only characters who grab and use that shield (for example, throw it with perfect aim at Cap) across all the movies are badasses, even if only in the comics.

Just saw it for the first time.
I loved Infinity war and... really didnt like this.

I think it's different from what the comics are but it appears to be what they're going for.
Maybe they'll give Sam some of those superpower juice, who knows, otherwise that shield would only be useful on a mantle.

Reminder that Thanos killed so that Galactus would not feed.

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>literally replying to a comment how Endgame has no after credits scene
>they all do

no, AoU and Endgame have nothing after the credits. Neither does TIH.

Galactus actually IS inevitable, little purple man.

AoU: Thanos grabs empty gauntlet and says he will do shit himself
Hulk: Tony talks to Ross about Avengers initiative.

That is what he attempts to prevent

Why do you say that as if Antman isn't strong?

Nathan Fillion was going to cameo as him in GotG2. WandaVision would be the perfect way to introduce him, not as a love interest, but as a friend.

So, I could see Simon being a kind-hearted guy and befriending Wanda and helping her get a place for her and Vision 2.0 to stay. Simon views Vision as his real brother, because his actual brother is a total shit.

Erik Williams, the shit brother, chimps out at Wanda's robosexuality and then later gets Chthon'ed into being Grim Reaper.

Neither of those happen after the credits are complete.

>There reportedly is an alternate version of Thor’s recruitment set at a bar, which is a little more serious and features Valkyrie more prominently and no Korg & Miek.
Having her give him a talk with Hulk to get back into the game would have been more thematically satisfying. It would have been a reversal on Ragnarok where she stopped being a depressed drunk. That would have also showed character progression for her and made her taking the Throne a little more palatable.


>Test-audiences really struggled with time travel rules that didn’t adhere to the BACK TO THE FUTURE “the past immediately changes the future” mentality.

Yeah Yea Forums is struggling with it too. Fucking brainlets.

The problem is Captain America showing up at the end, I doubt people would have had as much trouble if it weren't seemingly contradicted in the last fucking scene.

It's easily explained if you think about it for more than a few seconds. We know that the time travel has spatial travel as well since Tony and Steve teleport to NJ from NYC. Steve could have had the alternate-Tony/Bruce build him a platform in the alternate reality. That way he could travel back to his own reality from that platform, without having to use the one in the prime reality. There, that's how he landed 100ft away.

How would he choose which of the branches he landed in? I count at least 5 branches known to exist when he went in, and presumably returning the stones added another 3.

This. Everything would make sense if he shows up on the platform like he was meant to, but just as an old.
I agree with the directors, it isn't as great of a send off as having him talk to Sam alone on a bench, so I understand why they did it.
But it does fuck with the rules.

Howard the sneed

Halfway credits scene is also considered an aftercredits scene.

>>Everyone that did not die by the Snap, such as Loki and Heimdall, are permanently dead, although Loki might be alive in the branched timeline where he stole the Tesseract in 2012.
SAD

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Nathan Fillion would've been perfect for Simon.

I expected Thor and Hulk to do some manly bonding smacking each other around, making Thor face his regrets, rediscover his fighting spirit, and then rejoin the team. But I guess that would've been too expensive to make.

Can someone spoonfeed me about the consequences of time travel in the MCU?
The Ancient One said the infinity stones stabilize a singular timeline but obviously the Avengers and Thanos fuck things up.

Why does Captain America bring back the energy stone back to 2012? Does it still make a difference? What about the soul stone?

Why don't they all visit a reality where the Infinity War never happened and shill there instead? Aren't there also countless timelines where Thanos won regardless?

Bonus: How does the dusting and re-dusting work out exactly, where do they go and why can they come back?

>Eat it, Barney
That's so fucking dumb

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there is no consequences.

Tom Holland and Harley Keener Ty Simpkins are so handsome.

for the brainlets:

>Q: EG's plot, is it a parallel universe or a closed time loop?
>A: Nope, not a time loop. Both Ancient One and Hulk were right. You can't change the future by simply going back to past. But it's possible to create a different alternate future. It's not butterfly effect. Every decision you made in the past could potentially create a new timeline. For example, the old Cap at the end movie, he lived his married life in a different universe from the main one. He had to make another jump back to the main universe at the end to give the shield to Sam.

He might still be.

Where can i find a good torrent for this? I don't want to go to the kinoplex.

>Stark forging the hammer
uh what hammer?

>Eat it, Barney
Wew, bullet fucking dodged.

For simplification: It all works under parallel timelines so actions in one timeline don't reflect in others.

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sauce on these? specifically the "eat it barney" line

i still don't understand why they didn't bother showing Thanos' flashback in Infinity War, are they saving it for the Eternals?

Kino

Doctor Strange 2 boah

There aren't countless timelines, there one main timeline until you create a new one through time travel. There can be countless timelines if you create them.
If they wanted to return to a future where Thanos never happened they would have to stop Thanos and live with their past selves. Plus Tony didn't want to because he had already moved on with Pepper and Morgan.

The infinity stones protect the universe from the dark forces, aka, Dormammu. So when they were taken those timelines were fucked. Cap brought them back to create another that wasn't fucked.

>tfw there's suddenly billions of planets full of life
Galactus will be on a eating spree

The MIND STONE was destroyed. The Time Stone literally remade an Infinity Stone which was completely wrecked.
Who the fuck cares about Vision.

>Who the fuck cares about Vision.
Wanda.

robosexuals

>Thanos is Lordgenome
I wish. Imagine how kino it would have been if the Avengers brought back Thanos to fight alongside them against Galactus.
Too bad that can't happen now.

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>Too bad that can't happen now.
>Strange asks Death to bring Thanos back
there ya go

Galactus eats so that death would not massacre

>Doctor Strange VS. Thanos in INFINITY WAR was originally much longer and trippier, and included an appearance from the Living Tribunal watching from afar as they fought across dimensions, but everyone felt it was too weird with proper context.
FUCK i'd love this desu.

>There reportedly is an alternate version of Thor’s recruitment set at a bar, which is a little more serious and features Valkyrie more prominently and no Korg & Miek.
Gotta get dem Fortnite bux.

Why didn't strange teleport thanos to dormamu's world? Why didn't Asgardian spaceship use the bifrost?

Test audiences really are retarded aren't they

WHAT ABOUT THIS?!

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Oh. Eh. Oops t-that's what we meant! Y-yes that! It won't work because the time stone was part of his death! Yes that's it!

>Eventually they felt it the segment was getting too long/self-aware and stripped it down.
But having an all female crew surrounding Spider-man was A-OK. Self aware, my ass.

The movies have now tread into the same territory that prevented me from ever getting into comic books. Alternate timeline/dimension shit takes away any connection you have with the characters because they're just one of an infinite number of versions of that character.

But apparently none of the other Avengers, which I guess is apt as none of them will be in WandaVision anyway.

Wiccan is going to get fucked by Death's Head.

"Putting it up Billy's butt, yes?"

Easy way to keep present Thanos alive would be a crazy prison. Marvel had tons of famous badguy prisons.

I think they meant that it wouldn't make sense for the Avengers to just arrest him after all he put them through, especially Thor.

>getting the annoying gayfag Wiccan
>but not the superior boy Teddy
Fuck that desu.

What about Dormammu? Isn't he as much of a candidate as the next big bad, especially when he's conceptually far more powerful than Thanos? From what I interpreted in Dr Strange, anyway.

Faggots brothers are just making shit excuses up.
>Time stone is not powerful enough
Kek.

No question about why Captain Marvel was so underutilized? Her playing space cop is an incredibly lame way to keep her out of the main plot.

I feel the same. I don't understand how people can keep caring about these characters that were "rebooted" with time travel or multiverse #n for the uptenth time.

Like the one in the pic.

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She's way too overpowered, they should have completely left her out of the movie.

She was OP af and was inconveniently introduced right in between Infinity War and Endgame.
They should have put Captain Marvel in phase 4 honestly.

>The all-female shot almost didn’t happen as the Russos and the writers recognize it was a bit too fanservice-y, but they feel it was a worthy compromise to celebrate all the great female characters of the MCU.

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It kinda sucks that Thanos with the infinity stones was the 1st big bad because in the comics he is one of the most powerful beings ever with the gauntlet (I think he's only behind The Living Tribunal?). No other threat could be as big as him without bringing the stones back.

>Reminder that Thanos killed so that Galactus would not feed.

If they wanted to work this into the story wouldnt Thanos need to actually mention a planet eater in IW and not just 'its overpopulation, thats why'. Otherwise its just , 'hey, actually thanos was worried about this galactus guy, not all those things he actually mentioned in person/'

Aren't the branches sorta connected by memory? He remembers the time and place of the platform.

If you see Endgame as if it was an extended version of IW it feels a bit better

benis

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They revealed that Thanos was an aberration due to his appearance and was sent to a space gulag for years due to his extremist ideas, during which his race died out as he predicted. It was in prison that Thanos began building his criminal empire.

Thanos is literally hitler

>They don't want to do it but they did it anyway because they don't care about making a good film.

>The Russos believe that Captain America lived his life in a branched timeline and later came back to the prime timeline to pass his shield onto Falcon, while the writers believe he was always part of the prime timeline and was Peggy’s husband all along. So, choose your own ending.

Big loser is Aggamotto. All his clever plans have gone to total shit. Total loser.

Losing the Time Stone and Scarlet Witch existing are likely making him descend into full scale autism.

>Stark’s funeral was a nightmare to film since they actually got everyone together to film it. Security was reinforced and the actors were told they would be shooting the Stark/Pepper wedding scene to avoid leaks.
Was Cucumber really there? He looked fucking weird

>Adam warlock.

Wasn't this guy teased in guardians of the galaxy?

>>The all-female shot almost didn’t happen as the Russos and the writers recognize it was a bit too fanservice-y, but they feel it was a worthy compromise to celebrate all the great female characters of the MCU.
YAAS QUEEN, SO BRAVE!

I think it's a better idea to make your movie NOT be a retarded mess that makes GoT look like Shakespeare instead of doing just that and then damage controlling the numerous plotholes and fuck ups. But what do I know right?

>unironically defending GOT at this point
Yeah no

>thinking I was defending GoT when I just used it as an example of retarded writing
Holy autism spectrum batman!

So who's guessing Loki will come back?
>shot of him in his cell during the Asgard heist, hinting
>him getting away with the tesseract in 2012, again, hinting.

You made your bed. Now lie on it, GOTfag.

How do you know there aren't countless timelines? It's extremely unlikely the Avengers were the first to create them, the whole Endgame could play in an doomed timeline from the start.

Now that Thor is the only Avenger left who can still star in films no doubt he'll be back. I mean his character is the Trickster God.

I hope Hemsworth gets a fat payday for it.

>everyone that died is permanently dead
>except they aren’t
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The simpler explanation why Stark can't be revived is because the Time Stone was on the gauntlet during the snap/when he was killed.

Yes, you're right, if someone had created and used time travel previously then there would already be a fractured timeline.
But I think it's a pretty safe assumption to say it's not since the movie in no way hint to that possibility.

Holy shit you're fucking retarded.
The Gamora that's alive now is a fucking DIFFERENT GAMORA. She's from a literal fucking different Universe.

Jesus Fucking Christ kill yourself you dumb cunt.

so are all the future marvel movies now basicallly set 5 years into the future?

>Marvel has no popular femake characters

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How can one become test audience?

Formerly chucks.

Why is the ultimate space evil just a big white guy in silly suit?

By having high test.

Actually Galactus and all the other cosmic entities are just small fry. Our reality is collapsing and only one man can save us.

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Sounds like a liberal to me.

My tests hang rather low but they are large. Does that qualify me?

>Vision is dead as far as the Russos are concerned, and there were no plans to revive in ENDGAME.
Based Russos killing off the lightbulb nigger.

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Did doom face the beyonders?

I just googled and found something
I used to think vision was supposed to be Dr Manhattan lite

wrong.
thanos released galactus and other "minor" cosmic beings that were stored in the stones when he destroyed them.

>struggles to understand abstract concepts
>calls them plotholes

Nice.

Galactus would be power stone I'm guessing because of color. Who are in the other stones?

>MCU time travel follows the “Multiverse Theory”
Does that mean that Thanos won in every single on of those except the one we saw, as foretold by Strange?

Most likely, aside from the one he left from as well. Hence "I am inevitable" and him feeling vindicated that his mission is a constant across all multiverse.

He isn’t evil, he is a force of the universe. He is simply doing what he is meant to do.

Haven't watched end game but infinity war was full of plot holes. Thor post Ragnarok could've easily defeated thanos. Strange could've easily defeated thanos. But >muh overpowered villain has to show dominance

Why is force of the universe a human? Are comics that uncreative that everything must be a human?

Most of the higher tier cosmic beings are humanoids.

>>The all-female shot almost didn’t happen as the Russos and the writers recognize it was a bit too fanservice-y, but they feel it was a worthy compromise to celebrate all the great female characters of the MCU.

So if the director's don't want it, the writers don't want it, who forced them?

Humans cannot conceive it's TRUE appearance so they give it a form they understand

IMO the soul stone was host to lady death. or it was lady death.

remember the vision of gamora thanos had when he claimed the stone? it wasn't gamora. it wasn't a vision. it was a manifestation of lady death.

this is why in endgame red skull says that vormir is a dominion of death. why it's a barren wasteland. why it takes a soul, or a death, both physical and spiritual to claim the stone. why red skull was chosen as a servant (skull = symbol of death) and why red skull now has a cosmic, deathly visage similar to many of death's manifestations in the comics.

I summise that eventually death herself will be a primary antagonist much more terrifying than anything we'll have seen before because her motive will simply be that she is death, so there is no bargaining with her, no making sense of her on a personal level, she seeks to amplify her dominion on reality now that the cosmic balance has been ruined. and we will likely see thanos return as her "herald", but he will be a shadow of his former self in terms of threat level because by this time, probably in about 10 years or so, the heroes will have amassed a far greater selection of powerful individuals, some being even more powerful than captain marvel. so he will be disposed of quickly.

Having the concept of death as a main villain is not going to work in live action marvel.

Thor is definitely nerfed coming in from Ragnarok. His newfound ability to generate lightning from his own body barely come into play during IW and Endgame (even if he gets a downgrade in Endgame, he should still have the same powers). Hopefully with Thor 4 on the horizon and GOTG3 possibly featuring him that they end up rectifying this oversight.

oh and the reason why the soul cannot be reconstituted after death is because it was freely given as part of a deal with death. once the exchange has been made and the person who made the trade acquires the stone, lady death owns the soul in question. she holds dominion over it and no amount of trying to reconstitute it via the infinity gauntlet will ever make a difference because well, each abstract entity is infinitely more powerful than the gauntlet itself in the hands of a mere mortal. nobody can access the full potential of the stones save the beings within them. the abstract entities themselves.

why not?

>but test-audiences didn’t connect with the scene and it was cut.
The eternal normie strikes again, fucking brainlets

It would make for more character development on both sides if they had arrested him and tried to get in his head as to why he did what he did

also, think of infinity war / endgame as the thanos origin story. it's basically the story of how he becomes the thanos we know and love from the comics and how he is introduced to lady death. now he's actually with lady death, as he has been "snapped" into her domain. and her having a vested interested in him means that unlike others who have been snapped, she will likely make him aware of where he is, why he's there, who she is, and what she has in store for him. this is where his infatuation with death will begin because his new objective has been cemented now, to destroy reality as a whole, which is also her objective, and the two will be brought together with this similar goal. unbeknownst to him though she will have no plans to recreate the universe or life, meaning as it is in the comics so shall it be in the MCU, he will never attain the validation from her he so desperately seeks. he will always fall short because he is sentimental at heart. and she is nothing less than a force of nature, who's objective it is to be who she is.

Comicfags, how can Galactus be made into an interesting villain for normalfags?

You can't humanize him since he's enormous.

>calls them abstract concepts despite being clear plotholes
>thinks his extremely poorly written children flicks are off the hook
Yeah it doesn't work that way sweaty

also let us not forget who created the stones in the first place.

Eternity, Infinity, Death, Entropy. The big four.

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There are so many good scenes deleted and they most probably won't include in Blu-ray so fuck disney.
I want to see extended fights and them comic scenes shiiit.

One time when I was a teenager, I went to this girls house and took 3 or 4 tabs of acid. At first it was chill, because there were only like 5 or 6 people there and we were all tripping, but then a bunch of other people started showing up who weren't tripping, so I got paranoid and went in her back yard to hide.

There was a shed in her yard with like lawnmowers and shit in it that I went into to hide, and I found these old cans of silver and brown paint. I put my fingers in it, because idfk why, and it felt weird and I liked having one brown hand and one silver hand. So then I took off all my clothes and painted my whole body brown and silver and just laughed and laughed about it to myself.

I tried to start the riding mower, but couldn't find the keys or maybe just couldn't figure out how or something, so then I went back into her yard. I thought it would be funny to leave a silver dick print on her siding, so I smacked my dick on the wall and I was right that shit was funny. So then I went back and grabbed the can of silver paint, and would like dip my dick into it and then smack the wall, over and over.

So I did this for like 10 minutes or something, just dip and thwap and dip and thwap over and over, and I had legit tears of joy running down my face, and everything was so perfect in my life. But then fucking Josh Morton came outside to take a piss and found me, and he was like "YOOOO! THIS MOTHERFUCKER IS DICK STAMPING THE WHOLE HOUSE!"

Then everyone in the house came outside and found my naked painted ass and my 57 (approximate) dick prints on the house, and like none of them understood why I did it. Nobody there was on my level and it ruined my perfect life experience. Also the girl never wanted me to go to her house again.

Fuck you, Josh Morton.

>you: durr why is no machine captain America comes back old
>director: you see, there is a theory that in quantum mechan....
>you: POLTHOLE

"In an interview, Josh Brolin expanded on Thanos' relationship with Death, and confirmed that Death will be portrayed as a woman in the Marvel Cinematic Universe: "His relationship with Death, who is actually the woman, I love that. You can take Sin City (in which Brolin plays a man obsessed with a dark-hearted woman) and pump it full of steroids, and then you have Thanos. I like that he’s motivated by that — not just motivated by destruction or death or this or that. He’s motivated by a very identifiable, human trait."[3]

However, Death ended up being left out of Avengers: Infinity War, with Joe Russo explaining that they felt the time they would be introducing the character would be better spent focusing on just Thanos and the film's already large cast, stating "It’s our responsibility to carry forward the story as it’s been set out. You’re spending two-and-a-half hours with this many characters, so then adding in some character that the audience has no relationship to, having to explain the backstory of that character, making you care about that character, making Thanos care about that character, making that character interesting to the other characters."[4]"

Put way more focus on the heralds, there is enough of them and they all have different factions despite being heralds.

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Literally just the entire lyrics of The Wall by Pink Floyd
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"....we came in?"

So ya Thought ya Might like to go to the show. To feel the warm thrill of confusion That space cadet glow. Tell me is something eluding you, sunshine? Is this not what you expected to see? If you wanna find out what's behind these cold eyes You'll just have to claw your way through this disguise.

"Lights! Turn on the sound effects! Action!" "Drop it, drop it on 'em! Drop it on them!!"

Momma loves her baby And daddy loves you too. And the sea may look warm to you babe And the sky may look blue But ooooh Baby Ooooh baby blue Oooooh babe.

If you should go skating On the thin ice of modern life Dragging behind you the silent reproach Of a million tear-stained eyes Don't be surprised when a crack in the ice Appears under your feet. You slip out of your depth and out of your mind With your fear flowing out behind you As you claw the thin ice.

Daddy's flown across the ocean Leaving just a memory Snapshot in the family album Daddy what else did you leave for me? Daddy, what'd'ja leave behind for me?!? All in all it was just a brick in the wall. All in all it was all just bricks in the wall.

"You! Yes, you! Stand still laddy!"

When we grew up and went to school There were certain teachers who would Hurt the children in any way they could

"OOF!" [someone being hit]

By pouring their derision Upon anything we did And exposing every weakness However carefully hidden by the kids But in the town, it was well known When they got home at night, their fat and Psychopathic wives would thrash them Within inches of their lives.

We don't need no education We dont need no thought control No dark sarcasm in the classroom Teachers leave them kids alone Hey! Teachers! Leave them kids alone! All in all it's just another brick in the wall. All in all you're just another brick in the wall.

We don't need no education We dont need no thought control No dark sarcasm in

"Infinity represents all space in the universe. Infinity and Eternity are in constant competition with Death who attempts to reduce life while Infinity and Eternity expand life. She is the sister of Eternity."[2]

so one could say death is already the villain, she's just seeking avatars or heralds. and now she's found one, thanos.

I rubbed the sun screen on to my face and chest. "That's gross man," I said staring at the tent in his pants. "You need to get rid of that thing."

"You're right," he said. "Maybe the water will cool me down." Dave walked over to the water, his bulge swinging back and forth with every step. Finally, Dave reached the edge and slid into the pool feet first. Dave paddled around a bit but kept looking at me. "But just do me one favor," Dave asked. "Shake your ass for me. I keep thinking about it so if you do it, I can think about something else.

"I don't know Dave," I debated. "I don't like the way you keep looking at me. I'm your friend and I am straight, I am not some slutty girl you banged." I cleared my throat. "If it'll get you to leave me alone though, I guess I will do it." I turned my ass in his direction and shook my hips back and forth. As a result, my shapely ass cheeks jiggled around. "How's that?" I asked as a stuck my ass out further and shook it around at him.

Dave whistled while he swam excitedly around in the pool. "That's hot," he said. "Chicks pay thousands of dollars for asses like that."

"Ok," I said. "I did it for you so let's just drop this whole thing," I said. I finished rubbing the sun screen on my body and went ahead and jumped into the pool.

Dave paddled over next to me. As he floated in the water, he spoke to me, "I have a crazy idea." Dave continued, "You should sit on my lap. Your ass looks like a girl's but does it feel like one? It can be an experiment."

"That doesn't sound like a good idea to me," I replied. "That sounds really gay... and gross. I saw that huge tent in your pants. I don't want that thing anywhere near my ass."

"Come on," Dave argued. "It's not gay; I am just curious. It has nothing to do with sex or anything like that. We should totally do it though."

He could always generate lightning from his body in IW and EG, but he's stronger with his weapons, that's all.

not adding death made this some weird alternate reality version of thanos who cries over his dead children and thinks hes doing the right thing instead of the absolute madman he flat out won but his own issues caused him to lose. They act like taking 20 minutes to explain who death is and have her show up along side thanos a few times wouldnt make sense

No he isn't

Eternity will resurrect ego and then they'll fight against Galactus and death

I feel like a lot of these changes made the Time Heist worse for a superhero film, in that there was barely any real action beyond Cap v Cap.

Any group of people who could sucker punch Quill could have gone to 2014 to get the Power and Soul stones because there was nothing to do beyond a sacrifice.
The Reality Stone was a simple grab and run.
Getting the Space and Mind stones were more about cunning, and they just asked for the Time Stone.

"No way," I said. "Samantha sat on your lap with her bare ass?"

"Oh yeah," Dave spoke. "Well, there was not much she wouldn't do when she saw what I was packing underneath my suit. Dave shifted his hips a little bit and began rubbing his crotch up against my ass. "Unhm," he grunted as he did so.

I didn't do anything at first. I just figured that Dave was trying to get comfortable. But then I felt something hard and pointy poking into my asscheek. "Dave!" I yelled. "What are you doing!?"

"Take it easy man," Dave said. He grabbed my sides with his strong hands and began moving my body back and forth across his lap. "Oh yeah."

"Ohh, gross man," I complained. "Dave, ugh, you promised you wouldn't rub your cock up against me."

Dave did not stop moving me against his lap. "No," Dave said defiantly. "What I said was I wasn't going to promise anything. You misunderstood me." Dave began grunting and moving his hips along with the way he was moving my body. "I am just getting a feel for this ass. Unh. Nothing... Unh... to worry about."

"I never should have sat on your lap." I complained. I debated trying to fight my way off of him but I decided to just wait and see what ended up happening. Dave's cock felt so hard and big as it rubbed up against my ass.

"Hold on," Dave muttered. "This isn't right." Dave stopped the rubbing and let me rest on top of his lap, in turn causing me to sigh in relief. Dave took his right hand off of me and reached it underneath the water. "Just relax." Dave fiddled with something underneath the water. Suddenly he pulled a red swimsuit out from underneath the water and tossed it aside. "That's better."

"Wait a minute," I gasped as I saw what appeared to be Dave's suit being tossed aside. "Please tell me that wasn't what I thought it was." I started to panic and I tried to pull away from Dave.

maybe lady death used "our" thanos to create the thanos she needed him to be. maybe all of the events that have transpired so far have been her doing, subtly manipulating things behind the scenes.

also I don't think that abstract entities commonly manifest in "reality", I think they have a separate dimension where they whisk others off to in order for them to be able to manifest in a way that's perceivable to mortals. called the "dimension of manifestations."

>"We'll just say she was there the whole time!" It makes perfect sense."
>includes shitty retcons of why thanos actually decided to snap half the universe
yea thats why comics are shit and nothing matters and i totally see them doing it. the ships gotta stop sailing sometime

I could feel Dave's hard cock rubbing up against the thin material of my swimsuit. It was the only thing separating his thick, masculine cock from my soft, feminine ass. My head was filled with thoughts of shy, classy Samantha rubbing her big, bare ass against Dave's fat cock. The thoughts disgusted me and turned me on at the same time. I was so horny that I wasn't thinking straight. "Ok Dave," I saw shyly. "Go ahead and take it off, I will give you the lapdance but no funny business." There was a part of me that worried I would regret this but it was overwhelmed by my libido. I countered any doubts in my mind with the thought that if things got out of hand, I could just swim away.

"I can't wait, baby," Dave said with a huge grin on his face. His strong, thick fingers grabbed the sides of my swimsuit and yanked it down my legs. This caused my erect dick to come popping out. "It looks like I am not the only one who is enjoying you sitting on my lap," Dave laughed. "Mmm," Dave licked his lips as he looked over my bare ass. "I was waiting for this since the moment I laid my eyes on your ass in that swimsuit." Dave grabbed the bottom of the shaft of his large cock and placed it up against one of my bulging ass cheeks. He rubbed the bare flesh of his cock against my ass. "Ohh god, yes," Dave moaned.

I felt myself blushing again as Dave rubbed his boner against my entirely bare ass. I closed my eyes and imagined that I was Samantha. I started by rubbing my ass back and forth against Dave's cock. After feeling Dave's hard as steel pole rub against various parts of my ass, I lifted my body up and let Dave's large cock fall below me. While I hovered above Dave's ass, I shook my ass, causing by cheeks to bounce up and down and slap up against Dave's rock hard dick. This created a very sexual sounding rhythmic slapping noise.

Dave leaned back and enjoyed the lapdance he was receiving. "Ohh yeah, that feels great," Dave commented.

she's an abstract entity, she's everywhere at all times. so it's pretty much already canon that she's had an overwhelming amount of influence on the MCU.

it wouldn't be a retcon either, you're thinking too small. she's an abstract entity which means she's at work on levels we can't fully comprehend. everything happened exactly as it did. but her nature is what mate it happen "naturally", it was her that caused the fall of titan as she is death, it was her that caused the events that led to thanos' decisions because she is death, it's that simple. anything that is a manifestation of death in reality is her doing so it can all be attributed to her. the same as all creation can be attributed to eternity because he is her opposite, the abstract entity that represents creation.

The weapons, both Mjolnir and Strombreaker help him focus his powers, this was explained in Ragnarok by Odin himself.
He still has his powers, but he's stronger with his weapons so why would be ever choose not to use them?

still my issue is you didnt really have to include her all that much into IF. Thanos couldve just name dropped her and his motives would have made alot more sense. I like this thanos but hes not comic thanos and never lives up to it

His spacetime watch thing would have the quantum location of the initial time platform, that was the point of those.

"Shit, shit," I muttered. I felt helpless as Dave lifted and pulled me with his strong arms, repeatedly impaling me on his concrete hard dick. "Come on Dave, unh," I spoke in-between grunts. "I'm not, unh, gay, unh, my ass... no"

"You seem pretty gay to me," Dave chuckled as he continued to lift and pull me down on his cock. "Your cock is still rock hard. You love my huge cock in your ass." Dave pulled me down hard the next time. He pulled as hard as he could on my hips and wiggled his dick deep inside of me. "Oh yeah, take it bitch!"

Dave was right about one thing, I was horny as hell. At the same time, I felt ashamed. I couldn't believe he had manipulated me into a position where he was able to fuck me. I really was some naïve bimbo, a hot piece of ass that would end up being one of Dave's easy sexual conquests, manipulated by his macho douchebag tactics and his huge cock.

Dave held my ass up against his lap and stood up. He shifted the two of us about two hundred and forty degrees to his left. Dave lifted me so that my upperbody and arms were left dangling outward perpendicular to his body.

My arms quickly reached downward and rested on a dry step above the one that Dave and I had just been sitting on. Meanwhile, my legs touched the ground infront of Dave. I ended up in a bent over position with Dave standing behind me with his cock buried into my ass. I realized at this point that I was about to really get fucked like a bitch.

nah the film was loaded enough, and they wanna drag out the cosmic universe as much as possible because once you delve into that aspect of the marvel universe it becomes extremely complex, compelling and things start to converge on a grander scale, meaning they'll want to spoon feed people tiny bits of lore over time starting with tiny hints, then small reveals then big reveals later on like they did leading up to endgame. they've already started this btw, they've already affirmed that abstract entities exist in the MCU and we've had one manifest on screen when thanos claimed the soul stone. "little gamora" was a manifestation of lady death.

That’s a big brain move if that’s true. I don’t think a lot of people got that though. I thought it was just thanos professing guilt of killing his daughter in some weird soul stone world

yeah think big and long like my dick, they LOVE to drop little tidbits here and there that don't really make much sense beyond aesthetic until years later when they reveal it was something super significant.

imagine if in say, 5 years or so, there's a reveal that little gamora was in fact a manifestation of lady death. everyone would be like OHHHHHHHHHHHH THAT MAKES SO MUCH MORE SENSE NOW. because without intention behind it or explanation, it really doesn't make much sense at all, it's out of place. and like you said you thought it was just thanos professing guilt in some weird way, well most other people would've overlooked it as just that too. which is exactly what "they" wanted, so when there's a reveal in the future you can be like OMG what else did I miss I need to rewatch all MCU films and see if I can find any other small details of large significance.

>>Earlier drafts detailed Thanos’ flashbacks in 10 minutes worth of flashbacks, some of which were shot before the whole thing was cut for being superfluous. They revealed that Thanos was an aberration due to his appearance and was sent to a space gulag for years due to his extremist ideas, during which his race died out as he predicted. It was in prison that Thanos began building his criminal empire.

Are they fucking retarded? Why would they cut this?

Not only did he face them, he won.
I can only imagine Fiege having a massive hard on right now that mutants, doom and F4 are all his play things. Now we just need Namor

Should have kept this it is more in line with his comic story, him being a monster to his peers.

user meant the falcon suit. Literally anyone who wears it can fly like Wilson. There's nothing at all special about him.

it takes away from the coming "eternals" movie about thanos' home planet.

>While Thanos saw a manifestation of Gamora as a child, Tony would see a manifestation of his daughter as an adult, played by Katherine Langford from 13 REASONS WHY, and she would forgive him for leaving, but test-audiences didn’t connect with the scene and it was cut.
You fucking idiots
>”I love you 3000” was ad-libbed by RDJ. It is something that he says to his real-life children.
I thought this line could have been tweaked, he should have said 3000...and one. Or and infinity.

by being retard

Fuck Walkietalkie. I knew he was to blame for this shit. Fuck the Russos for going along with it. Matter of fact, just fuck Disney.

>even if it contradicts your own movie it's not a plothole if you can mental gymnast it away with embarrassing shit from outside the movie
LMAO

Scarlet witch killed vision

I know, I just skipped a line of thought. He was saying you can replace Falcon with anyone athletic since the bird costume is his powers, there's nothing special about him. With Cap you can't, you need to be a supersolider to use the shield, which is why Bucky makes sense.
I was saying that Marvel are making Cap more than the shield and the powers, it's the leadership, determination, etc., that makes the hero. I don't think Sam will be throwing that shield around like Cap was, but he will fill the role of Avengers leader.

>Doctor Strange VS. Thanos in INFINITY WAR was originally much longer and trippier, and included an appearance from the Living Tribunal watching from afar as they fought across dimensions, but everyone felt it was too weird with proper context.

FUCK them for not doing that.
It would've been a decent call back to the infinity war comics.

>director's cut
wait for it.