Chernobyl

I remember reading about how Mao made villagers try to smelt steel using wood fires.

Isn't there some shit in communism about reality being man-made and thus needing to conform to the will of the workers?

50,000 people used to live here.

Now it’s a ghost town.

So is this The Terror's true successor?

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Can't wait for this character to show up to mansplain us how lying is bad.

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Why did the main guy blame Dyatlov? How is it his fault the KGB refused to allow them to know a critical flaw about RBMK reactors?

Also why did he decide to do the test below recommended output?

uhhm guys

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Chernobyl is really about blindly following authority, if Dyatlov had followed the safety test guidelines none of this would have happened

>Implying Lenin would allow the reactor to explode
>Implying Lenin would want to distract the people from their labours.

>Well that's not great but not horrifying
>Actually that's significant you should evacuate
This guy's scene deserves more memes

I think the real horror that makes the show so captivating for western audiences is the fact that the society we live in is no different from the soviet bureaucracy in the show. We are ruled over by people exactly like Fomin and Dylatov, for which the preservation of the status quo that benefits them overwhelmingly has vastly more value than our lives.

If you post on here, there is no doubt that you are unhappy with the way things are and find yourself self-censoring every day as things crumble around you as a result of the actions of people no different than the ones we are introduced to in the show. We are living in the zone already boys.

>reality conforming to man's image
That's less a specific doctrine within communism and more the philosophical presupposition which communism sprang from. It's proper name is nominalism, and the idea is that the name controls that which is named, so if I declare that Bruce Jenner is a woman, then he is.

was it delusion?

This guy is billed for only 1 episode, so I guess they will just mention that he died next episode and thats it?

thats the problem, the whole thing is so memeable, it will probably be months until we have used up all potential scenes

*THIS IS NOT A COMPLAINT AGAINST MODERATION*
it appears mods have autosaged this Chernobyl thread

Safety guidelines are for weste-
*BOOOOOM*

Does anyone not see this as blatant capitalist propaganda smearing the USSR? Poll after Poll reveals Russians miss it and the vast majority of citizens lives vastly improved after the 1917 revolution.
Even most of the supposed deaths after Stalin took over are due to rapid industrialization, not some imagined famine

idk but that would be a pretty kino decision
we know what path he is headed down and he is all alone with the realization that he will cease to exist, not even us invisible spectators can keep him company

If SNL weren't a raped and destroyed limbless corpse of itself, it would do a parody of Chernobyl about Mozilla's recent meltdown.
>Users are saying that their add-ons are failing
>That's impossibe. Those are Russian hackers trying to interfere in our system.
>There is nothing to worry about because my Rey bobblehead will protect us.

Ignoring the well documented history of genocide and oppresion, sure their lives improved.

If you measure quality of life by GDP...

To those wondering: the blue glow is caused by ionizing radiation, NOT Cherenkov radiation

>we live in is no different from the soviet bureaucracy
Westerner, just "No".

Russians miss being internationally feared and not having to deal with oligarchs, Russians do not miss dying from radiation poisoning and having to steal to eat.

It is my experience that when users made threads that are not in their best interest they should simple be autosage to keep their minds on their shitpost to prevent the undermining of their own labor

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Reported (to police, not mods) for hate speech.

Normies dont know what add ons are, or firefox

ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL OF THIS SLAV.

>What's the closest one can get to the elephants foot now without damaging their health, how was the sarcophagus constructed
The guy that took that famous photo is still alive. It was taken in 1996, 10 years after it's discovery, when at the time it registered 8,000 roentgens.
The original sarcophagus built from concrete and steel was started not long after the accident, but was only expected to last 20-30 years. The NSC (New Safe Confinement) is what you see in place today and is to keep in radioactive dust particles whilst they dismantle the old sarc. and remove radioactive material

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You mean the western capitalist documentation? Chapo trap house does a great real.history of the USSR that shows it actually tried very hard.
No one actually starved in yhe USSR just like no one actually us starving in Venezuela

Dude the old guys speech was almost identical to a basic bitch "our values" speech you'd hear on the Senate floor

>deep state run media and massively inflated bureaucracy don't currently exist in the US
>implying gulags and an out-in-the open police state aren't right around the corner

I envy those that have survived communism. We don't know what to avoid like you people do.

Was the guy being forced to go on the to the roof and look down into the reactor and get a million skin cancers near the end actually happen?

>Chapo traphouse
You'll never pass

When the fuck would you ever hear direct talk about the subservience of the people to the state on the senate or house floor?

Yup, and he died a horrible death afterwards

Go suck off Bernie. Pic related, its your commie leader getting wrecked by Based Shapiro

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Yes

its Lane Price 2

Ok then where did the millions of people that existed in Ukraine and Russia during 1920-1950 go to?

Where can I read about that

>chapo
Thanks I needed a laugh

Furniture and medical treatments are the same thing to the Jew: commodities.

Obviously it's not direct but they do the whole muh values thing all the fucking time

lmao

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I like how chuds never have a single answer to any arguments chapo lays out. Chapo trap house is single handedly leading America towards a better future based on the radical idea of sharing

If you think the health care system we have in the US is in any way good you're genuinely retarded

>shapiro
name one political stance he has that is threatening to the status quo

It's really interesting how you can see in Marx how all of this nonsense was set up, through his abuse of Hegel. People tend to think, "it's just fear of authority + some crazy leader", but it actually requires a rejection of objective reality itself to come up with shit like Lysenkoism.

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>Hurrrrrrrr fuck capitalism
>Do everything they can to suck up to multibillion dollar corporations

His opposition to white supremacy

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I agree if we're talking about black people. I disagree if we're talking about whites. I would vote for a white liberal who promised prosperity for me, or just make the lives of minorities worse--I don't care which. I do not like fiscal responsibility, so I will never vote Republican.

This is pure delusion. Go to the infirmary.

>We are ruled over by people exactly like Fomin and Dylatov, for which the preservation of the status quo that benefits them overwhelmingly has vastly more value than our lives.

This user doesn't think that Russian hackers manipulated voting machines in the 2016 elections! He's clearly delusional, someone get him out of my thread

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go back to plebbit and your discord

This is not capitalist propaganda. This is reality. It happens in every country on earth. It just so happens that the USSR pulled this kind of shit a lot.

Chapo doesn't stand for anything that would actually benefit the working class. This is mostly because they are bourgeoisie grifters who make their living off of the angst of thousands of Americans. Why don't they redistribute their wealth if they are true believers?

>psychotic Zionist who wants to exterminate non-Jews from Palestine
>doesn't care what immigration does to America
Really makes one ponder

What are some kinos with this historical European feel?

>any arguments chapo lays out
This is bait but "chapo" doesn't lay any argument out, its just edgy Brooklynite ironic nihilism.
>HA only a Hillary voter or a chud would think there's still hope left in our hellscape trashworld

Salo

Based Shapiro. I'm sure he would have no problem with this in Israel.

As serious Marxists, they naturally hate and resent the working class.

Wish more people would bring this shit up with him when he tries "debating" people. "muh civic nationalism muh magic soil except for Israel lol"

It still does not compare to the suffocating nature of Soviet Bureaucracy.
Even if you have no belief in the American political system, you at least have some sort of Push-Pull going on. There was almost none of that in SU, there was only official line, and that is its.
Take the recent "No abortion after heartbeat" legislation one of your states passed. You couldn't have that autonomy in USSR.
You also can not appreciate the private sector until it is gone.
You can argue that USA is heading towards a bureaucracy similar to SU, but the SU elite in 1980s was a result of nearly 60 year long purges and conditioning on all levels.

>Anatoly Andreyevich Sitnikovreceived a fatal dose of radiation (about 1,500 roentgens or 390 mC/kg), mostly to his head after being sent by Fomin to survey the reactor hall and look at the reactor from the roof of Unit C, dying 34 days later

"Within minutes after the steam explosion that caused the Chernobyl accident at 01:23 local time, a number of employees at the power station went outside to get a clearer view of the extent of the damage. One such survivor, Alexander Yuvchenko, recounts that once he stopped outside and looked up towards the reactor hall he saw a "very beautiful" LASER-like beam of light bluish light, caused by the ionization of air, that appeared to flood up into infinity."

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>Chapo
>serious Marxists
KEK, only the fat one comes near to anything Leftist, its obvious the other ones don't care much about politics beyond "dunking on the centrists and chuds"

Yea man capitlaism is really benefiting people. Asj the residents of Flint or New Orleans how great capitalism is

>Based Shapiro
youtu.be/SUP4uJto99w

>the status quo is white supremacist
Is that why everyone outed as a white supremacist gets attacked from all angles and loses their jobs and livelihood?
The ruling class is against white supremacy.
Whites are the only people that consistently vote for smaller government.
Increasing the brown population will result in bigger government and more control for the ruling class.

>very beautiful" LASER-like beam of light bluish light, caused by the ionization of air, that appeared to flood up into infinity."
>tfw I've been obsessed about a story where this happens for the last 15 years

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The leftist piece.of shit got wrecked by Shapiro. It was just a bunch of gotcha questions and bullshit quotes until Shapiro made the right choice to walk off

Based Neil. Has he ever been defeated?

You can't really use African villages as an example of Western capitalism. Capitalism is shitty, but it's not responsible for that variety of total dysfunction.

>Andrew Neil
>Leftist

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>The leftist piece.of shit
conservative british commentator
>got wrecked by Shapiro.
Shapiro rage quit

>leftist
You know that Neil is a Tory whose been a friend and associate of Rupert Murdoch for years right?
Him wiping the floor with Alex Jones was magical

Can’t image a labor camp being worse than dying of radiation poisoning

Again as someone from a former soviet state you aren't aware of the ideological purges going on in the media and educational institutions RIGHT NOW. I never said that we live in the Soviet Union, but the show is absolutely foreshadowing our future when the Status Quo is eventually unopposed here.

It is very clear we have almost totally lost our push/pull. Trump was a last dying breath.

It is very clear we are losing our autonomy when you look at gun control and immigration.

It is very clear that the private sector does not benefit the vast majority of Americans anymore.

>Flint or New Orleans

Replace capitalism in places that were fucked up by government incompetence with more government?

Cannibal gulag with no provisions comrade, good luck.

fuck me am i just a piece of your mind slowly dying from a lethal fever?

twitter.com/benshapiro/status/1126561352867147776?

>British "conservatism"

He's British, their "conservatism" is left wing as fuck

>American conservatism
>hundreds of thousands of white middle class families getting bankrupted by healthcare bills every year for no reason
Why are Americans such cucks?

Private sector is totally taken over by rent-seeking, arbitrage, finance. tldr, elite actually want companies to fail. Stock market performance perfectly divorced from economy.

>MRW LITERALLY BLASTED IN THE FACE AT ZERO RANGE BY AN EXPLODED RBMK CORE THAT FRIED A 1000 ROENTGEN DOSIMETER FROM A PERIMETER DISTANCE THE SECOND IT WAS TURNED ON

ONLY 3.6R COMRADE! NOT GREAT, NOT TERRIBLE :^)

I ALREADY SAW THE UNMISTAKABLY SHAPED GRAPHITE DEBRIS EVERYWHERE CONFIRMING WITHOUT A DOUBT THE CORE IS COMPLETELY BTFO
BUT GO TAKE A LOOK FROM THE ROOF ANYWAY COMRADE, THE APPARATUS OF THE STATE DEMANDS IT

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what about soviet democracy where its legitimate libertarianism and not bootlicking like friedman and co. advocated for

This. British conservatives are basically leftists.

I don't know, I'm not American.

Conservatives weren't the ones that decided to make insurance scams mandatory.

>British conservatives are basically leftists.
True but so is Shapiro

It's "left wing as fuck" compared to psychotic American corporatism niggers that are literally destroying their own future to shill for malignant industrial complexes.

Americans aren't "conservative" they're just corporate socialists

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Retard. They weren't gotcha questions or bullshit quotes since they directly pertained to the topic of the book that Shapiro was trying to sell, and which was the main subject of the interview. They did expose Shapiro for being full of shit and a hypocrite though, which is why he had a tantrum and started sperging out. Also exposed his specious rhetorical strategies. When he can't strawmen/ ad hominem somebody - "You're a leftist! You're a leftist!"/ "I'm popular, nobody's heard of you!" - it descends to the level of playground sniping. I agree with a lot of Shapiro's views but on this he was utterly embarrassing, and utterly embarrassed.

Looking at your fellow countrymen to the lens of economic value makes you no different from the communists in this show. Either you value life or you don't. We shouldn't make decisions about who to help based on what they produce.

Good luck with that. Call me when you have a functioning state.

Soyuz had pockets of great autonomy as a function of size, after Stalin, and so long as certain lines weren't crossed.

Ahaha, the best response the Shapiro cocksuckers can come up with -
"British right-wingers are leftists!"
Absolutely tragic.

forbes.com/sites/michaelshellenberger/2019/05/09/the-reason-they-fictionalize-nuclear-disasters-like-chernobyl-is-because-they-kill-so-few-people/?fbclid=IwAR0O8C4MrDzXNLIPFy5pLzGi9syCTqmAX0mtoCbr56MW9itQd6vT01pp3NQ#636515db41fc

what did """"Michael Shellenberger"""" means with this article?

>Implying all of this wasn't a lie by western powers to get the people to undermine the fruits of their own labors
The reactor is fine, comrade.

Is there a single American conservative out there that has stood against usury or insurance?

when communism is finally tried you capiebois are going to be embarrassed as fuck

complaining about propaganda with anti-tsarist propaganda are we user

I hate Ben Shapiro and the state of Israel should be nuked off the face of the planet.

>when communism is finally tried
so dozens of times in the 20th century?

I bet you think a man can't be a woman or a woman a man? You are clearly delusional and need 10 months in the infirmary.

Just another amerimutt downplaying something that’s not about jews and their holocaust

yeah they were. "Obamacare" was created by the heritage foundation as the "conservative" counter to Bill Clinton's attempts to introduce a public option in the early 90s. Are you knowingly lying are or are you just stupid?

Has anyone found Khodemchuk

>Movies like “China Syndrome” (US - 1979), “Die Wolke” (Germany - 2006) and “Pandora” (South Korea - 2016) all contributed to the halting of nuclear plant construction, and the burning of fossil fuels instead.
he's not wrong.

Shellenberger is one of the only people out here promoting the cause of nuclear energy so I don't really give a shit what his background is.

>literally destroying their own future
Yep, those poor Americans will never know what it's like to live in a utopia where you're arrested for posting words on the internet or owning a steak knife

Government is the shadow cast by big business (it actually wouldn't be a problem if it were just "business," the trouble comes from top men who think that competition is a sin). There were plenty of conservatives in the past who opposed insurance scams. The current set is probably happy about KaiserKare. KaiserKare is not health care.

FUCK KHODEMCHUK

>No one actually starved in yhe USSR
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

Fucking kys you god damn commie piece of shit.

There's the problem of getting your knowledge of the world and history through polls right there. You turn into a drooling retard.

>literally destroying their own future
and yours retard
>Yep, those poor Americans will never know what it's like to live in a utopia where you're arrested for posting words on the internet or owning a steak knife
yeah they just have hundreds of thousands of avoidable deaths and are always at risk of going bankrupt if they get sick or hurt. But hey at least they'll just get randomly shot to death and not have to bankrupt their family haha.

>believing nukes are real
Delusional

>His body was never recovered and is entombed in the reactor debris
spoopy

All I retorted to was the original claim that Western Bureaucracy is almost exact as Soviet Bureaucracy.
I can not pull up any exact examples because its late and I need to sleep.
I won't argue that the US is heading towards a USSR bureaucracy, but it just is not the same at the moment.
USSR bureaucracy is the fever dream of certain people within USA, and they are pushing towards it, but there is still resistance and push back.
Local parties had autonomy, not the Republics themselves. Perhaps you didn't have to have Moscow approve every Kolhoz, but law differences or big projects most certainly did.
I guarantee none of the Brotherly Republics had as different opinions as USA states have on Guns, Abortions, Vehicles etc

>energy politics of a country are decided solely by movies
this is factual wrong and you know it

>Americans will never know what it's like to live in a utopia where you're arrested for posting words on the internet
You may not be arrested for it yet, but you can be unpersoned from employment, banking, etc for it

>picking the one HMO that acutally provides a European-level of care and is actually compatible with MFA

The Holodomor has been repeatedly debunked. It doesnt even show up as a word in spell check, unlike Holocaust or Shoah.

Fun fact: Early Bolsheviki were okay with sexual freedom, promiscuity, trannies, and homosexuality. They were also okay with telling Germany to invade them cause they wouldn't fight back because war is bad, and they also had no idea how to pay for or run anything.
Stalin had run the party's books. He knew how to pay for things. He wanted anyone who invited invasion dead. And he rolled back all that sexal freedom stuff and made people get into nuclear families.

Fossil fuels kill polar bears and penguins
Nuclear energy kills people

Now, which one would you choose?

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>contributed to
>decided solely by
Spot the difference

>If you think the health care system we have in the US is in any way good you're genuinely retarded
The US healthcare system is a corrupt government managed piece of shit. Same as communism. Just because they don't slap it with that label doesn't mean it's not failing for all the same reasons.
>the reactor is fine comrade

Yeah lucky us, we only live in a country where corporate news will try to ruin your life if you smile at a native american hobo with a drum.

You're actually retarded if you don't understand how movies like these affect public opinion on certain topics, especially when Three Mile Island and The China Syndrome happened so soon after one another.

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Michael Moore: these insurance companies are killing people!
Barack Obama: ALL POWER TO THE INSURANCE COMPANIES!

That's it, boys, debunked by fucking spellcheck, time to pack it up and go home.

>The Holodomor has been repeatedly debunked.
[citation needed]

>muh spell checker!
How do you manage to tie your shoes in the morning?

You're a piece of shit

They gettin they asses sued now. Aw lawd he comin.

Nuclear Energy barely kills anyone and fossil fuels kill loads of people each year. lmao like half a million people die from industrial pollution and air contamination in China, mostly from their power generation.

>politics
>giving a shit about public opinion
are you american, Sr.?

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It's actually very normal, even at lower levels of radiation comrade

dumbo

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what is this unabashed kikery?

>go onto amazon prime video
>have to pay for another subscription ontop of my prime subscription

it's so crazy how much American conservatives reflexively have to whatabout to random shit that has nothing to do with the actual thing they're responding to.

Are you aware of this as you do it?

You're a shill for people that just guaranteed that the number of bankruptcies goes up again. Your cost of living is skyrocketing. Obama was a conservative centrist. He passed the fucking conservative bootlicker healthcare bill to try and please Republicans, because he was a fucking idiot.

We're talking about now. We're talking about the future. Whatabouting to WHO DUNNIT as a way to justify why you continue supporting the people making it worse will not fix the problem. This is a crisis that is decimating the middle class and if it isn't addressed the country will fail.

you are destroying your people, your country, and your future.

I'd have pointed out that he's already told them that the reactor was destroyed and they didn't believe him, and ask why they'd believe what he tells them he saw from the roof.

We should talk about science instead of politics.

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>having a life expectancy of 30 years is not as bad as it sound
>birth defects? nah m8, just cut the crimble limps and reemplace them with prosthetics

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>he has an amazon subscription

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We could mate with the polar bears and create a new hybrid race like Greta mother did.

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>No one actually starved in yhe USSR

THIS COMRADE IS EXACTLY RIGHT, ANYONE CLAIMING OTHERWISE IS DELUSIONAL AND MUST REPORT TO INFIRMARY IMMEDIATELY

THE GLORIOUS COMMUNIST PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC FOUNDED BY GREAT LEADER VLADIMIR I. LENIN WOULD NEVER HAVE ANY OF ITS CITIZENS STARVE TO DEATH BY THE MILLIONS

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What will the show even be about.

What I thought it would be about was all in one episode.

This.

Only poor people don't have Amazon subscriptions. And if that isn't the case what the fuck is wrong with you.

>every nuclear power plant is Chernobyl

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Whataboutism is the US mainstream media falling all over themselves to worship Nork officials. Pointing out that politicians in America are something lobbyists put on their genitalia for the pleasure of their company, industry, or nation is not whataboutism. It can't be because it's including the politicians of both parties.

>this self-importance over being a good little paypig

They haven't even put out the fire yet

Marxism is a religion.

>DUDE LET'S DENY BASIC LAWS OF ECONOMICS AND LETS DENY BIOLOGY
Chapo trap house in a nutshell.
Everything they're saying has already been debunked but you're too brainwashed to question your retarded ideology.

This, Cenk Uygur told me right after to explained how the Armenian Genocide didn't happen.

Science is part of politics. If you can f2f ind science that backs up ypur viewpoint you can use it against the other side. Science is extremely partisan

explain what you think you mean.

is this goofle translate?

The US healthcare system is expensive because the government controls it.

It used to be much cheaper in the 50s and 60s before the government took it over.

We need a free market in healthcare so prices drop to the floor.

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>Obama was a conservative centrist. He passed the fucking conservative bootlicker healthcare bill to try and please Republicans, because he was a fucking idiot.

He knew exactly what he was doing. Given a choice between funding their own healthcare or pointless wars in the name of Israeli and Saudi state security, guess what the people would choose?

>tfw his radioactive ghost is haunting the plant

That is by no means the natural state of things.

I hate that people like you exist.

POLITICAL SCIENCE IS SCIENCE

>it's safe this time!
>upps, who could have though of an earthquake, next time will be secure!
>upps who could have though of an terrorist attack next time will be secure!
>upps who could have though of a radioactive waste explosion next time will be secure!

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>He knew exactly what he was doing. Given a choice between funding their own healthcare or pointless wars in the name of Israeli and Saudi state security, guess what the people would choose?
the US is spending more per capita on healthcare than anywhere else in the world. What is up with you ESL shills? You literally don't speak the language what the FUCK are you doing participating in this conversation?

Tvoyo zhelaniye skoro ispolnitsya. Idi ko mne...

Yet European healthcare systems are also controlled by the government but are still cheap?

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made my pp diamond.
like imagine if that happened today and we were able to see the beam from space frying satellites and space stations like shin godzilla.

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Get out of here, Stalker

because they do it using a different method, they have waiting lines and a lower standard of care instead

The best solution is a total free market.
Imagine if anyone could manufacture any drug patent free for pennies.
Imagine if the government didn't restrict the supply of hospitals.

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>cars are safe!
>upps, who could have thought the wheels would lock up on the highway, next time we'll design that better!
>upps who could have thought driving into the back of a Ford Pinto would make it explode!
>upps, would would have dreamed someone would drive a van into a crown of people and kill dozens!
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I really hate your sophomoric pseudo scientific attitude.

>science is part of politics
Other way around brainlet

>The US healthcare system is expensive because the government controls it.
nope. It's called agency capture. The system is so expensive because it has to exist ON TOP of the cost-inflated for-profit insurance system.
>It used to be much cheaper in the 50s and 60s before the government took it over.
yeah we used to just refuse treatment to poor people.
>We need a free market in healthcare so prices drop to the floor.
You're a bootlicking knownothing nigger and you're going to burn in hell.

>The best solution is a total free market.
But you have no proof for this nor real life examples because a total free market has never existed.

>radioactive waste explosion
top tier brainlet shit right here

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Health care was better back then because a healthy and productive workforce was viewed as a matter of national security by politicians who had by and large participated in WWII. Coincidentally they also had the novel virtues of patriotism and national identity. It was mandated to large companies that employed Americans because it was the right thing to do.

The idea that we could ever have something resembling a free market health care system in the current climate of globalism-based deregulation is retarded and so are you. Nationalize health care and suddenly the citizens don't want to import more people.

I read that Dyatlov was exposed to a big dose of radiation in an earlier accent involving a submarine reactor, and then his kid died of leukemia. How does that work? If a parent is exposed and then comes home, is the parent radioactive?

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>The best solution is a total free market
Imagine believing this.

Shill misuses word.
>Here's what that word actually means and why you just used it inappropriately.
Shill: ... you're a Russian relying an an autotranslate program!
Okay. But the Republicans are the slaves of big business, and the Democrats are the slaves of big business. Democrats who say they are against their slavemasters are lying to you. Obamacare wasn't about giving anybody health care.

> complains about rich fucks while giving their hosts 100k a month.
lol

>we should go back to living in trees because terrorist attacks are a risk

what boot do you lick in a pure free market, you projecting government lackey?

How many politicians have mentioned that all medical pricing comes out of an arbitrary and unaccountable cartel?

>nope.
Yes, kill yourself you fucking moron.
>It's called agency capture.
NO SHIT IDIOT
What do you think they're capturing? THE GOVERNMENT.
This is our main fucking point.
Please kill yourself already.

>The system is so expensive because it has to exist ON TOP of the cost-inflated for-profit insurance system.
The entire reason the cost-inflated for-profit insurance system exists in the first place is due to government regulations.

>yeah we used to just refuse treatment to poor people.
Nope, this was unheard of. People who couldn't pay were still treated, there were countless charity hospitals too.
The price was extremely cheap.

>bootlicking
The fucking irony.
I actually want a higher standard of living and cheap healthcare.
You want government control and waiting lines.

Too bad a total free market can not exist by definition

>radioactive waste explosion top tier brainlet shit right here
is it exactly what happen in city 40
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozyorsk,_Chelyabinsk_Oblast
and in fact was worst than chernobyl

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t.

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>radioactive waste explosion
the
moon
is
gone

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>But you have no proof
Yes I do.
The 50s and 60s when healthcare was super cheap.

>a total free market has never existed.
We've had examples of what would be extremely close to a free market.
The more free market something is the cheaper and more efficient it becomes.

>The idea that we could ever have something resembling a free market health care system in the current climate of globalism-based deregulation
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
What fucking "deregulation" you disingenuous liar?
Healthcare in america is the 2nd most regulated industry after banking.

I've posted massive evidence for my side and you've posted nothing.
Kill yourself.

>Nationalize health care and suddenly the citizens don't want to import more people.
lmao works for europe amirite

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I am American and have experienced first hand the difference between American and European health care systems. The idea that less government control over the marketplace the better is stupid

>We've had examples of what would be extremely close to a free market.
give me examples

It's fucking true you bootlicking faggot.
Enjoy your high healthcare costs.

Only one.
Ron Paul.

Okay how about a 98% free market. Deal?

did the waste explode, or did the tank explode?

read >soviets store nuclear waste underground
>didn't account for gas pressure built up
>all the nuclear waste explode one day irradiating fucking everything around

>The 50s and 60s when healthcare was super cheap.
You mean when America was 90% White?

>us healthcare was very much a free market until the 1970s
>we can directly compare to that earlier time period and see the price distortions caused by gov
>"But you have no proof for this nor real life examples because a total free market has never existed."
You should have worked at Chernobyl.

>The idea that less government control over the marketplace the better is stupid
Yes, objective reality sure is stupid.
I enjoy the state restricting my healthcare and telling what I can and cannot treat, and I love paying far more than I would in a free market because I am a socialist cuck.

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you've literally provided zero proof or sources, wtf you talking about retard, ahaha

>exposed and then comes home, is the parent radioactive?
SURE, IF THEY AREN'T THOROUGHLY DECONTAMINATED

SOME PEOPLE ARE HARDIER THAN OTHERS IN HOW THEIR BODY REACTS TO BORDERLINE DOSES, IT HAS TO DO WITH UNIQUE GENETIC MUTATIONS AMONG MANY OTHER FACTORS
SIMILAR TO HOW SIDE EFFECT PROFILES OF DRUGS VARY WILDLY PERSON TO PERSON

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Nuclear waste can't explode you retard, the storage tank exploded and caused a contamination.

the waste generate pressure and blow up the cointainment coffins, not a nuclear explosion but a pressure explosion that irradiate enviroment

How do you measure a 98% free market and why do you think it works like that? Are you braindead?

In healthcare specifically, see pic related in the post your replied to.

Yes. I'm also a white nationalist.
We need free markets and white nationalism.
Fuck poverty, fuck central banking and fuck socialism.

>I can't read your sources or graphs so they don't exist
Enjoy your low IQ lmao

>I read that Dyatlov was exposed to a big dose of radiation in an earlier accent involving a submarine reactor, and then his kid died of leukemia. How does that work? If a parent is exposed and then comes home, is the parent radioactive?
Radiation requires a source. To "become radioactive" you have to inhale or ingest radioactive materials that then do not leave the body. OR you have to be exposed to enough radiation that materials which can become unstable/radioactive, and are already in your body, do so.

More than likely this didn't happen to him, but the DNA in his sperm was fucked and it fucked his kid.

So don't improperly store it then.

everything in that image is stupid and wrong
literally arguing for unlicensed, unskilled, unqualified doctors, absolute retardation of the highest degree

In the old system you couldn't turn away emergencies and you had to donate one third of your practice to poor people. You charged for medical assistance two-thirds of the time. If every doctor now practicing treated one third of legitimate conditions for free, how the hell would anybody be left over unable to pay?
But no let's have the insurance policy setters that every doctor and penty of patients complain about as ending medicine have total control over everything.
You can't make the grass grow but you can remove the rocks.

Kinda strange to me that he wouldn't be properly decontaminated. Not from a humanitarian perspective, but, from an asset perspective. I imagine they figured he was pretty useful (even if he fucked up)

Depends on whether or not they're carrying radioactive material on their skin or clothes, or if they ingested any of it.

those aren't sources LOL

And also when emergency rooms were not crowded with permanent encampments of Mayans who have nothing really wrong with them.

>implying that a nuclear waste tank explosion isn't as bad as a nuclear dirty explosion

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>Yes. I'm also a white nationalist.
>We need free markets and white nationalism.
>Fuck poverty, fuck central banking and fuck socialism.
Ok, at least you are consistent then. You can't have any kind of functioning system in a non-White country. Except for some Asians I guess

>Yes, kill yourself you fucking moron.
nope.
>NO SHIT IDIOT
and youre shilling for it to continue
>What do you think they're capturing? THE GOVERNMENT.
yep.
>This is our main fucking point.
nope it's BLAME GUBMENT NOT DADDY
entry level "libertarianism" messaging strategy
>Please kill yourself already.
too expensive
>The entire reason the cost-inflated for-profit insurance system exists in the first place is due to government regulations.
nope. Makes people a lot of money. EVERYONE requires healthcare. It's a fantastic racket.
>Nope, this was unheard of.
nope wasn't until Reagan that ERs HAD to accept poor people.
>People who couldn't pay were still treated,
literally no they weren't.
>there were countless charity hospitals too.
reminder the government is spending TWICE AS MUCH as comparable nations per capita. And you're talking about "charity hospitals."
>The price was extremely cheap.
nope. You're just a revisionist cuck that's been lied to a lot and you've internalized the lie.
>The fucking irony.
Keep cucking for daddy nigger.
>I actually want a higher standard of living and cheap healthcare.
no you don't. If you did you wouldn't be doing all this whataboutist degeneracy to shill for daddy.
>You want government control and waiting lines.
Government and corporations are one in the same. That's what agency capture is. The government is fucking you over right now FOR corporations. You want to give corporations MORE rights to FUCK you in your faggot face.

Public option healthcare NEEDS to happen or the country fails in your lifetime. That's your choice. If you want the insurance system to be less regulated STOP voting for the people preventing public option. When you vote for (((Republicans))) you're voting for you standard of living to go down, your cost of living to go up, and healthcare to continue destroying the economy. That's just reality.

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Ah okay. I thought his kid was already alive. Makes more sense.

The free market doesn't exist.

Government regulations are almost entirely written by lobbyists.

What government regulation prevents HMOs and insurance companies from making their treatment and procedure prices transparent and available?

It's ok, everyone goes through a libertarian phase when they're young and dumb. You'll grow out of it.

>Nuclear waste can't explode you retard,
Actually if not stored correctly it can go prompt critical. There's at least one uranium mine where we discovered some of the material went critical naturally long before we dug it up.

>chernobyl
>they speak fucking english

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>youtube.com/watch?v=C4g3FkXUhx0

Great in a serious sense, but oh man now I don't want to visit chernobyl anymore, the sarcuphagus was kind of iconic(stalkerfag).

White nationalist? I didn't know 'white' was a nation.

Well, this thread sure went to shit fast.

>tankies ruining comfy chernoybl threads

It was inevitable I guess

americans haven't gone to sleep yet, thats why

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>I enjoy the state restricting my healthcare and telling what I can and cannot treat,
they currently are. More than any other nation in the world. There are literally death panels in the US right now determining if the cost to save people is worth it. People's lives are being determined by a for-profit system. It's unprecedented in human history.
>and I love paying far more than I would in a free market because I am a socialist cuck.
nobody spends more than the US. The US government spends more per-capita than ANYWHERE else in the world, and then each individual American has to spend an average of $300,000 in their lifetime on healthcare. This is EXCLUSIVELY an American problem.

you're literally a cuck.

Does that mean it was undergoing a continuous explosion underground? Why is that considered waste if it's so reactive?

What nation were the Black Panthers or the Chicanos nationalist for?

We were doing great a few hours ago. Like really great, actually.

tfw I get that reference. At least he got the other people out.

nice demon core you got there.

>"It's the governments fault we have no idea how much a procedure is going to cost!"

We're arguing with a toddler here

I MEAN, ITS RUSSIA

THE DOSIMETER READ WELL BELOW 3.6 ROENTGEN EVERY TIME!

ONLY THE DELUSIONAL WOULD DARE SUGGEST THE POSSIBILITY HE WASN'T PROPERLY DECONTAMINATED WHEN RETURNING HOME FROM HIS HIGH EXPOSURE JOB

THESE CRITICAL THINGS DONE IMPROPERLY IS SIMPLY AN IMPOSSIBILITY IN THE GLORIOUS BUREAUCRATIC UTOPIA OF GREATEST COMMUNIST LEADER V. I. LENIN

who let the big oilcucks in the thread?

>why do you think it works like that?
How does it not work like that?
Do you think it's impossible to quantify the level of government control over an economy or something?
Are you retarded?

>all of our doctors would be dangerous if we don't allow the AMA cartel(which is already dangerous and full of corrupt corporatists) to monopolize the entire medical industry

What a bootlicker.
>implying there wouldn't be competing medical schools and competing testing agencies

My system actually worked in real life.
Sorry.

>pic
Why do you think I support that socialist faggot reagan?
>and youre shilling for it to continue
I'm the only one fighting against it.
You're the one that wants more government control.
>nope it's BLAME GUBMENT NOT DADDY
But this is actual reality.
Without the government's control these businesses would have nothing to take over, they would be forced to compete with each other.
We are mocking your stupidity in completely ignoring this.
>Makes people a lot of money.
They make money because they use the government to form cartels, they wouldn't be able to do this otherwise you idiot.
>literally no they weren't.
Yes they were, Ron Paul talked about this.
There were no reports of people just dying in the streets.
>reminder the government is spending TWICE AS MUCH as comparable nations per capita.
WE FUCKING KNOW YOU GIGANTIC RETARD
We've telling you WHY it's so expensive.
Kill yourself.
>You're just a revisionist cuck
Look at you lmao you're actually getting mad at the actual fucking data.
Typical statist can't deal with reality.
>Keep cucking for daddy nigger.
LMAO you literally want daddy government to run your entire life
>If you did you wouldn't be doing all this whataboutist degeneracy to shill for daddy.
Why are you projecting?
>The government is fucking you over right now FOR corporations.
We libertarians have talked about this for decades and this point was my main argument.

>Play with highly reactive, radioactive material by shoving a screwdriver in it
>Get irradiated and die
>WHOAAA IT MUST BE CURSED! IT'S A DEMON CORE!

You're against the fact that healthcare is for profit, yet you want it privatized? Strange conclusion.

I hijacked it.
Im:
>114481363

All me

when new episode arrive it will be great again, have faith comrade

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>Public option healthcare NEEDS to happen or the country fails in your lifetime.
No, all the fucking corruption in healthcare NEEDS TO BE PROSECUTED or the country fails in our lifetime. Some of the bullshit off the top of my head:
* Procedures performed without quotes, then priced according to ability to pay. (Blatantly illegal under existing law.)
* Price differentiation based on method of payment (also illegal).
* Artificial limit on number of medical schools and graduations.
* Artificial limits on number of hospitals within a service area.
* Heavily abused patent system.
* Artificial limits on re-importation of drugs allowing drug companies to charge Americans 10-1000x more than they charge in other countries.
* A completely fucked malpractice system.

There's also the little problem that with insurance or gov funding you remove one of the most important pressures which cap prices in a free market: ability to pay. If your widget costs $1 million an no one can afford it you go broke. So you lower the price to something affordable. What's affordable to the individual is vastly different from what's affordable to an insurance network or the government.

This is all thanks to government. Trusting government to fix it is like trusting a rapist to take care of the woman he raped.

>If you want the insurance system to be less regulated STOP voting for the people preventing public option.
The best thing to happen to America's health care system would be to completely and totally outlaw all forms of health insurance. Prices for healthcare services and drugs would drop like a rock because of the principle above.

Tends to happen when you have a Holodomor-denying shill in a show about a disaster in the Ukraine.

>do you think it's impossible to quantify the level of free market
Yes, that is what I am saying. The 19c called, it wants its determinism back.

>Without the government's control these businesses would have nothing to take over, they would be forced to compete with each other.

Imagine actually believing this

sovietbots have been in every single thread. I'm willing it bet it's just SupaHotFlamingFaggot since all he does it shitpost on Yea Forums and Yea Forums

Nice to meet you, man.

>The free market doesn't exist.
Currently no, in the past yes it essentially did.

>Government regulations are almost entirely written by lobbyists.
Libertarians have been telling you people this for decades and you constantly ignore us and continue sucking cock.
>It's ok, everyone goes through a libertarian phase when they're young and dumb.
You're thinking of socialists.

>The US government spends more per-capita than ANYWHERE else in the world
I FUCKING KNOW
Why are you telling me this like it's a brand new revelation?
We've been trying to tell you WHY it's so expensive yet you don't want to listen.
Please just fucking kill yourself.
PLEASE

>you're literally a cuck.
I'm literally fighting against this while you're defending state control of medical care.

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>Yes, that is what I am saying.
Then you're an idiot.
We can compare nations by levels of economic freedom, pic related.

>Imagine actually believing this
Because it's actually TRUE and actually fucking happened in the 50s and 60s.
Just because you ignore reality doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Keep licking those boots though.

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Can you name a nation state that had an entirely or close to entirely free market in history?

wakanda
atlantis
hyperborea

Yep.
USA during the so called "gilded age".
Free banking with no central bank, no income tax, extremely low government spending, low regulations.
There were some examples of state/business collusion but they were rare.

Some anti-statist examples:
Medieval ireland
Medieval iceland
Neutral Moresnet
American midwest during parts of the 1700s and 1800s were essentially polycentric law.

days when cavemen and that were knocking about

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>Why do you think I support that socialist faggot reagan?
I don't really think you're an actual American tbphwyf. Even if you are you're so far gone it doesn't matter.
>I'm the only one fighting against it.
nope if you're opposed to public option you are fighting for it.
>You're the one that wants more government control.
nope the insurance system would be FREE from government control if we had a public option operating at cost like everywhere else in the world.
>But this is actual reality.
Yeah you're a bootlicking nigger for Insurance companies. You're going to burn in hell.
>Without the government's control these businesses would have nothing to take over
you're literally retarded. EVERYONE GETS SICK. EVERYONE DIES. THE INSURANCE SYSTEM IS A RACKET THAT EXPLOITS LITERALLY EVERY AMERICAN. YOU ARE BURNING A NICE HOUSE ON HEALTHCARE YOU STUPID FAGGOT.
>they would be forced to compete with each other.
NOPE it's called a plunderbund. they're competing to see how much they can charge. They're price fixing. Every market participant is incentivized to inflate cost as much as possible.

If you want "competition" you need PUBLIC OPTION OPERATING AT COST. When they're competing against "free" then you'll see their cost go down. Will never happen otherwise.
>We are mocking your stupidity in completely ignoring this.
Who the FUCK is "we" you nigger? You're ALL by yourself. You're ALWAYS all by yourself. It's just you and the black mirror alone in a room somewhere.
>They make money because they use the government to form cartels
means nothing. They make money because EVERYBODY DIES. ITS A MARKET ECONOMY THAT EVERYONE HAS TO PARTICIPATE IN.
>they wouldn't be able to do this otherwise you idiot.
no they did. That's what happened. That's why we're here.
>Yes they were, Ron Paul talked about this.
oh well if the nigger shill for Insurance companies talked about it!
>WE FUCKING KNOW YOU GIGANTIC RETARD
who is WE?

I love that you completely ignore the fact that monopolies exist and the free market inevitably creates them.

Can you explain to me how unregulated national corporations would create a competitive health care environment in rural america? Related question: have you ever been a Comcast customer before?

it doesn't have to be great
just not terrible

>We can compare nations by levels of economic freedom, pic related.
Maybe you should take a look (again?) at what free market means in macro-economic theory, then. You seem to think it is simply defined by government control, which outs you as someone who doesn't really what he's talking about.

>You're against the fact that healthcare is for profit, yet you want it privatized?
It's 100% privitized. I want public option. The US NEEDS public option or it's going to fail in our lifetime.

Ah yes the glory days of child labor and 70 hour work weeks

>I love that you completely ignore the fact that monopolies exist
Monopolies can only be created as a result of government interventionism.

>free market inevitably creates them.
But it doesn't.
You've been told these "just-so" stories your entire life and it has nothing to do with reality.
You're brainwashed.
Standard oil was never a monopoly.
By the time they were broken up they only had 63% market share.
DeBeers was entirely a government granted monopoly.

>Can you explain to me how unregulated national corporations would create a competitive health care environment in rural america?
By increasing the supply of health care?
By competing with other firms to drive down prices(all which doesn't happen today thanks to government intervention which created the health insurance industry).

>have you ever been a Comcast customer before?
Why do you faggots think we don't have answers to all of your dumb points(we have debunked them all before)
wired.com/2013/07/we-need-to-stop-focusing-on-just-cable-companies-and-blame-local-government-for-dismal-broadband-competition/

They are government mandated monopolies and you fucking know it.

>Ah yes the glory days of child labor and 70 hour work weeks
Ah the child labour and long work weeks strawman argument.
Look at this absolute result of american statist education.

Child labour was a fact of life for all human history. It was capitalism that abolished child labour.
Working hours were decreasing thanks to economic production. This was long before the government implemented any useless laws.
pic related

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Very funny, very funny. But seriously, we can't let Dyatlov get his hands on the nuclear controls.

But wasn't there massive inequality and poverty during the gilded age? How is that a good thing?

reminder that this is an insane leftist who goes on and on about russia, putin, the "internet research agency," and will call you a nigger and tell you to kill yourself ad nauseum if you reply to him. he's literally crazy. just ignore it

here is a selection of his derangement:
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it just goes on and on like that, thread after thread

Ask me anything about nuclear chemistry.

I actually refuse to ever get cable in my area because I have been a Comcast customer. And the government gave Comcast the local monopoly.

>You seem to think it is simply defined by government control
It essentially is though.

>nope the insurance system would be FREE from government control if we had a public option
LOL You're granting a health insurance firm a TOTAL monopoly and FORCING everyone to pay for it through a public option.
You love monopolies.
>Yeah you're a bootlicking nigger for Insurance companies.
You're projecting and you love high healthcare costs.
You love patents too because you suck corporate cock.

>THE INSURANCE SYSTEM IS A RACKET THAT EXPLOITS LITERALLY EVERY AMERICAN
We've been trying to tell you this for ages but you don't want to listen.
The government's laws created the exploitative health insurance racket. You're an idiot

How does the graphite moderate the nuclear reaction?

save it for your circlejerk Koch shill. You're literally going to burn in hell. In the 9th circle where the traitors go.

>No, all the fucking corruption in healthcare NEEDS TO BE PROSECUTED or the country fails in our lifetime.
This means nothing. Why can't you just address public option? why is it ALWAYS about whatabouting to "prosecuting" the government?
>Some of the bullshit off the top of my head:
good shill really dig deep into your Koch nigger talking points.
>Procedures performed without quotes, then priced according to ability to pay.
Or jsut do public option and stop worrying about it
> Artificial limit on number of medical schools and graduations.
nope nobody is talking about that. As things are there is already a shortage of GPs because the cost of education is too high so everyone needs to become a specialist if they want to get rich.
>Price differentiation based on method of payment
public option makes this a non-issue
>Heavily abused patent system.
we are way worse than comparable first world countries
>Artificial limits on re-importation of drugs allowing drug companies to charge Americans 10-1000x more than they charge in other countries.
public option gets rid of that
> completely fucked malpractice system.
DONT SUE DADDY!!!!!
>There's also the little problem that with insurance or gov funding you remove one of the most important pressures which cap prices in a free market: ability to pay.
public option
>If your widget costs $1 million an no one can afford it you go broke.
public option
>So you lower the price to something affordable.
they don't
>What's affordable to the individual is vastly different from what's affordable to an insurance network or the government.
public option
>This is all thanks to government.
agency capture by insurance industry

so you want to "outlaw all insurance" but public option triggers you?

Are you fucking retarded? What the FUCK are you even talking about?

Can you make a potion to make the thread derailers go away?

holy shit you're right I've argued with this delusional faggot before
Brain damage is a hell of a thing.

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why do they speak english if they are in chernobyl ?

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Describe for the layman what's generally happening here meltdownwise.

>it was capitalism that abolished child labor
No it was the government actually

Also working hours were far lower before the industrial revolution

>I love that you completely ignore the fact that monopolies exist and the free market inevitably creates them.
That's not a fact. There are very, very few historical examples of natural monopolies which exist without government intervention and protection. They usually result from insane resource requirements that lend themselves to massive economies of scale. There are examples where this is not the case but they are very transient, i.e. one day there's a monopoly the next there's a hundred competitors.

The monopolies which currently exist in healthcare are all, every single one, artificial creations of a Congress that's bought and paid for in full by BigHealthcare. There is no free market.

>Can you explain to me how unregulated national corporations would create a competitive health care environment in rural america?
You don't need a "national corporation" to provide healthcare for fucks sake. You need doctors and nurses. Graduate anyone who can pass a test and prove competence, and let anyone open a medical practice, clinic, or hospital who can meet standards of care.

>Related question: have you ever been a Comcast customer before?
Cable monopolies literally exist due to city and county regulations. In rural areas there is a resource issue (laying cable to sparsely populated areas) that could create a natural monopoly. But the solution is simple: fund the laying of cable or fiber through a bond, then provide a right of access to any/every provider who wants to use the cable.

The problem is that cities don't do this. They take a bribe to limit access to ONE provider.

>It essentially is though.
In name, perhaps. But for a free market to be "free" you need to satisfy certain conditions, like no asymmetrical information, equal bargaining power, and so on. Those are things that you cannt measure, and, one could argue, are nigh impossible in practice (especially perfect information among actors)

ITS GONNA BE BASED AS LONG AS ACTIVE NUCLEAR DISASTER IS GOING ON, SO LIKE ANOTHER EPISODE AND A HALF MAYBE

AS THE SHOW PROGRESSES TO THE INVESTIGATION PHASE CAPTAIN MARYSUE BECOMES THE FOCUS AND
>magically, preposterously takes over the story
t. NYTIMES

>>"The biggest and most artificial contrivance is the creation of a fictional character, a Belarusian scientist played by Emily Watson
IMAGINE GETTING THE LEFTY NEWSPAPER OF RECORD TO WRITE SUCH AN ANNOYED REVIEW LMAO
JUST PAUSE THE SJW SHIT TO MAKE ONE GOOD SHOW, CAN YOU EVEN DO THAT HBO
WHAT A WASTE, ANOTHER VICTIM TO THE >CURRENT YEAR #YASSSS!

>Koch shill
kek I unionrically support 85% of what kochs want and I love that it angers you bootlickers

>so you want to "outlaw all insurance" but public option triggers you?
DUDE LOL
You want to create a TOTAL MONOPOLY on health insurance and you give other people shit for wanting competition in healthcare.
Holy fuck just kill yourself.

Whats this show about? Realistic or S.T.A.L.K.E.R demon shit?

Is the soundtrack out or is it just the videos on youtube?

>The US NEEDS public option or it's going to fail in our lifetime.
Once again, the US NEEDS TO PROSECUTE CORRUPTION AND DEREGULATE THE HEALTHCARE INDUSTRY or it will fail in our lifetime.

Something like "medicare for all!" will only bankrupt us sooner.

>nope the insurance system would be FREE from government control if we had a public option

This ought to be the end right here. The government controlling everything would mean freedom from government control. Where have we heard this logic before? Gentlemen, we are dealing with Justin Trudeau.

>No it was the government actually
Wrong wrong wrong.
Child labour like long working hours were decreasing long long before government put in any of their foolish laws.
In fact even today when foolish third world governments implement child labour laws it just results in the children starving to death or going into prostitution.

Child labour laws are sadistic.

So far about as close to 100% realistic as a fictional show can get.

>I FUCKING KNOW
AND YET YOU REFUSE TO ACCEPT THE OBVIOUS SOLUTION
>Why are you telling me this like it's a brand new revelation?
because you're retarded?
>We've been trying to tell you WHY it's so expensive yet you don't want to listen.
A: You're just fucking lying. You're parroting Koch talking points.
B: IT doesn't matter WHY it's about how you unfuck the broken system. You unironically talk like a Stalinist with your NO UR AT FAULT bullshit when it literally doesn't matter at all.

The solution is public option. That's worked EVERYWHERE else.

>Please just fucking kill yourself.
Why? You're the confused weirdo.

>I'm literally fighting against this while you're defending state control of medical care.
you're not fighting against anything. You're fighting against the only solution in a muddy-waters autism meme that allows the people exploiting you to continue exploiting you. You're literally a cuck.

Why are you against something like Medicare for all? Insurance system can still operate independently of the at-cost government system, and it'll be less regulated to boot!

Like can you dive into that specifically?

Realistic. The only horror is that of humanity's hubris and leftists in the threads.

chernobyl incident

No, its realistic with some artistic liberties.

Realistic to a point, but they imposed this omniscient character to tie scenes together. This will probably be the best realistic docudrama for years to come.

>like no asymmetrical information
Fuck off and die (((joseph stiglitz)))
mises.org/wire/capitalism-and-asymmetric-information
mises.org/library/markets-and-information-problem

>like no asymmetrical information, equal bargaining power
You don't need any of these things for a market to be free.

Lived in ussr, Europe and present day America, only real difference now is the quality of life in the west is way higher due to more wealth to go around. The entire Russia/Mueller thing was pretty much a watered down version of Beria's "show me the person and I'll show you the crime". The faggot/trans phenomenon is on par with rare cases of kgb brainwashing people with torture but infinitely more widespread.

My comrades in the ussr were at least based as fuck and we'd all pirate bbc together and laugh at our absurd system and fuck around with apparatchiks (no you didn't get gulagd for that in the 80s). People in the west are so bluepilled it would probably take a few famines to knock them back to earth.

This is the most retarded thing I've read so far, back up claims like that with proof

Say what now?

>AND YET YOU REFUSE TO ACCEPT THE OBVIOUS SOLUTION
The obvious solution is getting government out of healthcare so these companies lose their monopolies and the prices actually fall to the ground like they used to be in the 50s and 60s.

A public option is just forcing everyone to pay for an inefficient bureaucratic system.

We need competition and medical innovation.

Stay mad.

>Child labour laws are sadistic.

just like age of consent laws, right libertarian?

>You don't need any of these things for a market to be free.
But you very much, because this is the argument you're putting forward when you say free market would solve all problems. You are using the models of perfect competition and market equilibrium to shill for your view of what should be. So own up to it.

Oh, thank God for the bump limit! How about not shitting up the next thread?

>This guy is billed for only 1 episode

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How many dark skinned people and women have actually watched this show? Or posted here about it? Less than a dozen? Less than that? Should have given Beyonce a cameo.

>public option worked everywhere else

People not eating themselves to death worked everywhere else, public option is shit, you're at the mercy of bureaucrats choosing when and what treatment you can get

Only things that can be universally mandated successfully are strict health guide where you get whipped for smoking or being a fat fuck and regular screenings/triages for nipping shit in the bud

u ok sweetie?

>This means nothing. Why can't you just address public option?
BECAUSE IT DOESN'T WORK.

>>Some of the bullshit off the top of my head:
Good shill really dig deep into your retarded brain to ignore valid points.

>>Procedures performed without quotes, then priced according to ability to pay.
>Or jsut do public option and stop worrying about it
>surely prices will be fair and accurate under glorious government control
And the reactor is fine.

>> Artificial limit on number of medical schools and graduations.
>nope nobody is talking about that.
>As things are there is already a shortage of GPs because the cost of education is too high
You don't understand that price is a factor of supply and demand yet you have the audacity to open your mouth and say ANYTHING about how to solve the healthcare crisis?

STFU and let the adults talk and vote.

>>Price differentiation based on method of payment
>public option makes this a non-issue
And aggravates price inflation.

>>Artificial limits on re-importation of drugs allowing drug companies to charge Americans 10-1000x more than they charge in other countries.
>public option gets rid of that
No it doesn't. Bribe the right congressman and charge what you want.

>>There's also the little problem that with insurance or gov funding you remove one of the most important pressures which cap prices in a free market: ability to pay.
>public option
>>If your widget costs $1 million an no one can afford it you go broke.
>public option
>>So you lower the price to something affordable.
>they don't
Then why don't corn growers charge $1 billion per bushel?

>>What's affordable to the individual is vastly different from what's affordable to an insurance network or the government.
>public option
Which would lock in predatory pricing you ignorant fuck.

God damn it. Don't fucking talk about economics when you've never studied it.

>This is the most retarded thing I've read so far
Because you've been brainwashed by public education.
Notice how your history textbooks don't actually have sources and were mostly just stories.
Did you not see my working hours graph?

No, age of consent laws are good.
Child labour laws literally cause children to turn into prostitutes.
Is this what you want?

>the models of perfect competition and market equilibrium
I support austrian economics, people who support free markets support austrianism.
We mock the idea of "perfect competition and market equilibrium" as a fantasy
wiki.mises.org/wiki/Perfect_competition
mises.org/wire/perfect-competition-“gobble”-degook
mises.org/wire/why-perfect-competition-not-so-perfect

If you're free from government control, the government wins.
>t. Trudeau

The guy is an schizo leftist idiot that doesn't understand economics.

>Brits pulling their own teeth
>Canadians dying of easily treatable diseases
>budget deficits...budget deficits every where
>"The solution is public option. That's worked EVERYWHERE else."
The reactor is fine comrade.

what does economics have to do with my kino

go to the infirmary

Child labour laws made children go to school instead of the factory. Prostitution is also a form of labor.

dope argument cuck. Stay assblasted.
post pictures of your tits.
>kek I unionrically support 85% of what kochs want and I love that it angers you bootlickers
You're literally a bootlicker though. they fucking hate you. They're exploiting you. You're shilling for them to destroy your country in your lifetime. Your future is FUCKED and they'll be dead in a few years LOL.
>DUDE LOL
Why is this so hard for you?
>You want to create a TOTAL MONOPOLY on health insurance
NO! WHY ARE YOU SO FUCKING THICK?

Seriously WHY? What the FUCK is wrong with you?

PUBLIC OPTION OPERATING AT COST IS ENTIRELY DETACHED FROM THE INSURANCE SYSTEM. The insurance system would be left to compete with AT COST, which would be GOOD for you!
>and you give other people shit for wanting competition in healthcare.
THERE IS NO COMPETITION IN HEALTHCARE RIGHT NOW ARE YOU FUCKING PSYCHOTIC?

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Please, friend. I'm trying to help you. You're SO confused! Right now there is ZERO option. EVERY American is forced to burn $300,000 avg in their life. Compared to ANYWHERE ELSE where they have private insurance options AND public options!

Do you understand what I'm saying to you?

>Holy fuck just kill yourself.
you're literally killing hundreds of thousands of people a year for no reason. You're destroying the middle class. You're making upward mobility almost impossible. You're destroying America. And it's ALL because you're fucking confused!

>Something like "medicare for all!" will only bankrupt us sooner.
nope it'd lower government cost immediately. If Medicare was operating AT COST instead ON TOP of the insurance system, the government spending per-capita would drop to being closer to relevant first world countries. We're LITERALLY ALREADY GETTING BANKRUPTED BY THE INSURANCE SYSTEM.

Honestly you cucks talk like Soviets to defend this autistic retarded shit.

Based poster realizes there's graphite on the roof and the reactor is gone.

Economics is a soft science not a hard science. There is nothing to understand.

>this delusional faggot thinks there's some "we" here.
yikes.

>Child labour laws made children go to school instead of the factory.
Nope you sadistic fuck.
Once the economy was developed enough, parents had enough funds to send their children to school and for the first time in HISTORY the children didn't have to work.
Isn't capitalism amazing?

>Prostitution is also a form of labor.
An illegal form that the government forced the child into by banning the child from working in a factory.

hehehe post hog CHUD xDDD
on a serious note, that thread where they all doxed themselves as ugly cartroons that will never pass just like you'd imagine was something actually funny from there that wasn't just a vapid, meaningless in-group joke created from bastardized alt-right memes.

i keep waiting for them to chimp out about this show

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Take him to the infirmary

TL NOTE: INFIRMARY MEANS GULAG

CONTROL THE SPREAD OF MISINFORMATION

SEAL OFF THE TOWN! NO ONE LEAVES THE INFIRMARY, EVER :^)

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Again not a single source. You can't just debunk a widely accepted fact without a source you know.

>>Something like "medicare for all!" will only bankrupt us sooner.
>nope it'd lower government cost immediately.
Medicare/Medicaid is the fastest growing item on the Federal budget, is set to surpass SS spending, and is set to bankrupt before any other program including SS. On top of this every fucking estimate ever produced regarding the future cost of Medicare/Medicaid has been far too low.

You're literally retarded if you think that adding MOAR PEOPLE to Medicare would somehow reduce overall costs. Go up on the roof and look at the reactor comrade. You'll be fine, you'll see.

>They're exploiting you.
By wanting to raise my real wages?
By wanting to end the wars?
By wanting to cut my taxes?
By wanting to grant me the freedom to live my own life?
Why do you leftie bootlickers project so much?

>PUBLIC OPTION OPERATING AT COST IS ENTIRELY DETACHED FROM THE INSURANCE SYSTEM.
But it's still a cartel everyone else is forced to pay for.
Just because it's controlled by the government doesn't not make it a cartel.

>THERE IS NO COMPETITION IN HEALTHCARE RIGHT NOW
This is what we've been saying for ages yet you people don't listen.
If we allowed a free market in healthcare, most of these health insurance companies would go bankrupt and people would pay out of pocket for most drugs(which would cost pennies because patents don't exist, and doctors would be cheap as well.

>you're literally killing hundreds of thousands of people a year for no reason.
Why do you keep LYING and pretending I support the current system?
People are laughing at you for strawmanning people in this thread.
My first post in this thread was explaining why healthcare has gotten so expensive and I posted several graphs.

>You're destroying the middle class.
You're the one that supports central banking and keynesianism.

Kill yourself you anti-human sociopath.

leave

>The obvious solution is getting government out of healthcare
ok make a public option for gubment healthcare and private option for insurance healthcare. That's the ONLY actual solution. You saying NO GUBMENT just makes you a degenerate shill that will NEVER be reasonable.
>so these companies lose their monopolies
nope not how that works at all. and they already have them now LOL.
>and the prices actually fall to the ground
nope.
>like they used to be in the 50s and 60s.
yeah when poor people just died.
>A public option is just forcing everyone to pay for an inefficient bureaucratic system.
We're ALREADY DOING THAT YOU STUPID FUCKING NIGGER. AND IT COSTS A WHOLE LOT MORE. AND IT KILLS A WHOLE LOT MORE PEOPLE.
>We need competition and medical innovation.
you get competition through public option. There is ZERO without it.

PLEASE JUST STOP PARROTING THE PARTY LINE FOR A MINUTE AND THINK CRITICALLY PLEASE.

I love you brah. You're dying on SUCH a stupid hill. Just please wake up and stop huffing the Koch fumes for a minute! This is ONLY a problem in the US!
>Stay mad.
but like you're killing millions of your countrymen. You're destroying your economy. You're destroying your future. And for what? Just LET PUBLIC OPTION HAPPEN. You don't need to be so upset! It's not your fault! Nobody is saying it's your fault! And you'd save HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS in your life!

Like what the fuck man why is this SO difficult for you to come to terms with? You're trained to just have recite "solutions" that literally mean nothing and/or just shill for insurance companies to have MORE agency over your life. WHY? FUCK INSURANCE COMPANIES. What the FUCK do you owe them?

Actual economics(austrian economics) is based on logic.
Supply and demand for example is a fact of reality.

>widely accepted fact
It's not widely accepted.
fee.org/articles/when-child-labor-is-your-only-option/
fee.org/articles/let-the-kids-work/

>saying NO GUBMENT just makes you a degenerate shill
Why?
The costs will drop dramatically like they were in the 50s.
Why do you keep lying?

>nope not how that works at all.
I posted a massive text of evidence in favor of this working
Where is your actual refutation?

>yeah when poor people just died.
Really?
Last time I checked everyone was treated.
Got any sources to back that up?

The rest of your post is just you ignoring everything I've said and crying over and over in allcaps.

Take your meds kid.

>BECAUSE IT DOESN'T WORK.
works literally everywhere m8. Nobody in the world is dealing with hundreds of thousands of healthcare bankruptcies OTHER than the US.
>And the reactor is fine.
You are LITERALLY the exact same thing as the Soviets right now. You're just NUH UH EVERYTHING IS COOL AS IT IS while hundreds of thousands of people are being decimated by this system.
>You don't understand that price is a factor of supply and demand
this means nothing in this context.

Actually honestly you're so riled up with your bootlicking for insurance companies that I have no idea what you're saying with all this spastic shit. Take it sleazy cuck. When the economy collapses because of your degeneracy make sure to blame jews LOL.

You're kidding, I'll take that guy over Lean Forward Boy.

I love how you just keep getting angrier and angrier

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>PLEASE JUST STOP PARROTING THE PARTY LINE FOR A MINUTE AND THINK CRITICALLY PLEASE.
The fucking irony in this brainwashed cultist.

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>God damn it. Don't fucking talk about economics when you've never studied it.
t "some highschool"

What kind of lolbertarian bullshit is this? Letting children work in coal mines and selling newspapers is BAD for a nation because you want an educated population.

>I'm going to keep pretending you support the current american healthcare system and screaming loudly like an autist because I have no actual argument against anything you're saying

Nobody is arguing with you anymore because you're a strawmanning compulsive liar that ignores everything we're saying.

Are you a bot? Seriously, is this a bot?

IT WAS THAT ONE GUY'S FAULT, HE BROUGHT UP the economics of health care!

>lets make extremely poor families even poorer because I want to force feed them government propaganda instead

Public education is the biggest crime in history.

>it was that one guy's thread I kept screaming and arguing in bad faith
wew

>>Brits pulling their own teeth
their dentistry industy is privatized. The American system is basically the equivalent of British teeth.

And reminder that they have ZERO medical bankruptcies a year.

>>Canadians dying of easily treatable diseases
Americans die of WAY more easily treatable diseases. Around 100,000 preventable deaths, JUST accounting for people that went to the hospital and got fucked. We also have an opiod crisis, a mental healthcare crisis, heart disease, diabetes, etc all caused by the for-profit healthcare system.

>budget deficits...budget deficits every where
A: We are already spending WAY MORE than ANYONE ELSE
B: We just cut $2 trillion a year in corporate taxes under trump. So we've literally never been deficit spending more than right now.

>"The solution is public option. That's worked EVERYWHERE else."
yeah 100%. Nice argument comrade.

Like we're unambiguously barreling towards economic collapse caused by the things you're shilling for. You LITERALLY just justified what you support using whataboutism. You LITERALLY talk like a Stalinist to shill for corporations.

>>BECAUSE IT DOESN'T WORK.
>works literally everywhere m8. Nobody in the world is dealing with hundreds of thousands of healthcare bankruptcies OTHER than the US.
No, they're just dying of easily treatable diseases, pulling their own teeth, etc.

>>And the reactor is fine.
>You are LITERALLY the exact same thing as the Soviets right now. You're just NUH UH EVERYTHING IS COOL AS IT IS
I've posted over and over that the healthcare system is critical due to corruption and will bankrupt the Federal government if we do not enforce the law. Some how that's the same as HURR DURR IT'S FINE in your twisted mind.

>>You don't understand that price is a factor of supply and demand
>this means nothing in this context.
You bitched that education costs were too high yet you don't think this has anything to do with the AMA/ADA liming the number of schools and graduates???

FUCKING HELL YOU ARE STUPID

>Actually honestly you're so riled up with your bootlicking for insurance companies
I'm the guy who literally said HEALTH INSURANCE SHOULD BE OUTLAWED.

Extremely poor families shouldn't even be a thing? Thats what government safety nets are for, education is a RIGHT and every child deserves it.

And let's keep this conversation about the civilized world, Africa has way too many problems to have a rational discussion about.

Understanding economics is like understanding how to split the atom. It tells you how to accomplish X, not if X is morally desirable.

The problem is the number of people who want morally desirable good Y but have no fucking clue how to get it so they end up creating a system that produces morally unfathomable evil X.

Westerners were brainwashed with anti-Commie propaganda from their birth, which is why you now have Democrats and Republicans both reverting to default programming and accusing their opponents of being secret Marxist subversives.

These threads are starting to feel like brit/pol/ in the comfy pre-2016 days.

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*fault

Let's do it right this time, comrades

>The bit with the slow pulsing noise that happens when the onlookers play in the ash which i think cuts to a guy heading to one of the more dangerous areas made my stomach turn

This made me so physically uncomfortable. I never get like that especially in what would otherwise seem like an innocuous scene.

It was the moment that I decided I was going to watch the rest of the miniseries.

>>>Brits pulling their own teeth
>their dentistry industy is privatized.
>NHS is private
Jesus Christ

>>>Canadians dying of easily treatable diseases
>Americans die of WAY more easily treatable diseases.
[citation needed]

And no, you can't include shit like obesity that has nothing to do with healthcare availability or cost and everything to do with stop feeding your fucking face.

>We also have an opiod crisis, a mental healthcare crisis, heart disease, diabetes, etc all caused by the for-profit healthcare system.
>taking drugs, eating like shit, not exercising, eating tons of sugar IS ALL THE FAULT OF THE HEALTHCARE SYSTEM

>A: We are already spending WAY MORE than ANYONE ELSE
How will spending even more solve that?

>B: We just cut $2 trillion a year in corporate taxes under trump. So we've literally never been deficit spending more than right now.
That's not how tax revenue works you retard. Tax revenues are up under the tax cuts. They would not necessarily be higher, and in fact would probably be lower, without the tax cuts.

>Medicare/Medicaid is the fastest growing item on the Federal budget,
yeah because we keep giving concessions to the cost-inflating insurance industry. Take it OFF the insurance system and bing bang bong.
>is set to surpass SS spending, and is set to bankrupt before any other program including SS.
yeah and if we just MADE PUBLIC OPTION BOTH OF THOSE PROBLEMS WOULD GO AWAY.
>On top of this every fucking estimate ever produced regarding the future cost of Medicare/Medicaid has been far too low.
nope. Take it off the insurance only system and cost goes down immediately.
>You're literally retarded if you think that adding MOAR PEOPLE to Medicare would somehow reduce overall costs.
It would. If we made Medicare an independent system that wasn't operating IN the insurance system, it 100% would.

>Go up on the roof and look at the reactor comrade. You'll be fine, you'll see.
you're literally looking at Graphite on the ground swearing the reactor is fine right now my dude. This is DESTROYING THE COUNTRY. YOU ARE DESTROYING YOUR OWN FUTURE.
>By wanting to raise my real wages?
nobody is doing that. The Republicans are keeping them down.
>By wanting to end the wars?
Republicans started the terror wars. They're profiting off of them.
>By wanting to cut my taxes?
they just cut corporate taxes and deregulated Wall Street. Your cost of living is going up. All that lost revenue will be made up with tolls and sales taxes that effect YOU primarily.
>By wanting to grant me the freedom to live my own life?
You don't have that you HAVE to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on not dying.
>But it's still a cartel
nope
>everyone else is forced to pay for.
they already are. and they're paying a lot more than they need to be for something they have no access to.
>Just because it's controlled by the government doesn't not make it a cartel.
At this point you're basically just arguing newspeak semantics. Means nothing.

>Extremely poor families shouldn't even be a thing?
It's called life.
Do you think the government(which has nothing) can magically make poor people not poor?

>Thats what government safety nets are for, education is a RIGHT and every child deserves it.
Public education has done more damage to humanity than the a bomb.

Yes the goverment can use tax money to help out the poor. It's called empathy which is a human trait. A trait which helps in favor of our survival.

genuinely curious, what triggered you?

>The Republicans are keeping them down.
Koch bros are libertarians, not republicans

>Your cost of living is going up.
Thanks to inflation.
Which is a thing you people support.
We libertarians support free banking and DEFLATION.

>You don't have that you HAVE to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on not dying.
We want a free market healthcare system, we're against the current system.
Democrats who started medicare are partially responsible for high healthcare costs.
>At this point you're basically just arguing newspeak semantics.
HAHAHAHA
WHAT THE FUCK?
Are you projecting?
I'm actually cutting through the newspeak and telling it how it is.
The government is a fucking cartel and a gang.

You people are massive bootlickers that enjoy being exploited.

Kill yourself for continuing to strawman and refuse to actually take this debate ANYWHERE but your continued strawman arguments and lies.

REPEAT AFTER ME

YOU HAVE NO ARGUMENT

YOU HAVE NO ARGUMENT

YOU HAVE NO ARGUMENT

KILL YOURSELF

>Yes the goverment can use tax money to help out the poor.
But they can't.
The real redpill is understanding that the working class consume 99% of all consumer goods and services in the economy.
Taxing the rich and giving it to the poor simply raises prices for the poor.
You're actually fucking over the poor by doing this.
Taxation is theft you economically illiterate nigger.

>yeah because we keep giving concessions to the cost-inflating insurance industry. Take it OFF the insurance system and bing bang bong.
>the government that allows insurance to fuck americans will surely stop the rest of the industry from fucking americans via medicare
This is our moment to shine comrade.

>yeah and if we just MADE PUBLIC OPTION BOTH OF THOSE PROBLEMS WOULD GO AWAY.
>if there are more people surely government will become efficient and operate without corruption
I wonder if you know the true name of this power plant?

>>On top of this every fucking estimate ever produced regarding the future cost of Medicare/Medicaid has been far too low.
>nope.
Yes.

>>You're literally retarded if you think that adding MOAR PEOPLE to Medicare would somehow reduce overall costs.
>It would.
YOU DID NOT SEE MEDICARE BUDGET OVERRUNS BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT THERE!!!

>HUD has enough open office space to house the nation's homeless
>the homeless are still homeless
The absolute state of The State.

>This is what we've been saying for ages yet you people don't listen.
>WE
who you and the Kochs?
>If we allowed a free market in healthcare
A: "free markets" are like absolute zero. They don't exist.
B: You're just saying "if we further deregulate health insurance companies XD"
>most of these health insurance companies would go bankrupt
nope market share makes them too big to fail. They'd jsut further become an unfuckable plunderbund. If you created a PUBLIC OPTION, on the other hand, they would largely be fucked.
>and people would pay out of pocket for most drugs
aka MORE unmedicated crazy people aka MORE untreated people aka MORE bankruptcies aka MORE cost inflation
>which would cost pennies because patents don't exist, and doctors would be cheap as well.
lol NOPE. Why the FUCK do you think Doctors would be cheap? They have to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars and decades of their life getting to that point.
>Why do you keep LYING and pretending I support the current system?
because you do. This whole "libertarianism" meme where you go to extreme crazy town and talk about "free markets" is DESIGNED to act as a bouncer for the current system. You're a victim of a subversive messaging campaign being pushed BY the people profiting from the current system. As long as you're shilling AGAINST public option and FOR fairy tail free market utopia bullshit that'll never happen, you're shilling FOR the current system to continue.
>People are laughing at you for strawmanning people in this thread.
Why are you so crazy about "people" and "we?" You're literally ALL by yourself AT ALL TIMES.
>You're the one that supports central banking and keynesianism.
you likely have no real idea what either of these things are. They're just easy memes. Are you a big youtube consumer by chance?
>Kill yourself you anti-human sociopath.
you're supporting a system that is literally destroying humanity.

Honestly why are YOU so upset?

The guy doesn't even give a shit that the US government is bankrupt and we have the biggest debt in the history of the world.
Not to mention unfunded liabilities.
These leftists are in for a world of hurt in the next few decades.

No, we're ALL in for a world of hurt if we don't stop them.