>Ruling is hard. This was maybe my answer to Tolkien, whom, as much as I admire him, I do quibble with. Lord of the Rings had a very medieval philosophy: that if the king was a good man, the land would prosper. We look at real history and it’s not that simple. Tolkien can say that Aragorn became king and reigned for a hundred years, and he was wise and good. But Tolkien doesn’t ask the question: What was Aragorn’s tax policy? Did he maintain a standing army? What did he do in times of flood and famine? And what about all these orcs? By the end of the war, Sauron is gone but all of the orcs aren’t gone – they’re in the mountains. Did Aragorn pursue a policy of systematic genocide and kill them? Even the little baby orcs, in their little orc cradles?
did sneed pursue a policy of systematic feed and seed?
Ryan Baker
pathetic tolkiencel keep crying
Henry Young
based rulingishardposter seething
Brody Kelly
It's ok user. Karma got him back hard. Arya committed a mass genocide including little babies. NK is evil just cause, and Cersei is a bad ruler just cause. Jon will be a great ruler because he didn't want the throne. Everything he said he hated, happened to his characters.
Xavier Roberts
Arya left the Frey women alone didn't she? >Tell everyone what you just saw
Also why no repercussions for Arya killing an entire house?
Christopher Garcia
Ruling is hard. This was maybe my answer to Homer, whom, as much as I admire him, I do quibble with. The Fuck and Suck had a very medieval philosophy: that if the owner was a good man, the shop would prosper. We look at real history and it’s not that simple. Chuck can say that Sneed became owner and reigned for a hundred years, and he was wise and good. But Chuck doesn’t ask the question: What was Sneed’s tax policy? Did he maintain a stock of gummy bears? What did he do in times of high PH soil? And what about all these tomaccos? By the end of the war, The Southern Colonel is gone but all of the other duels Homer demanded aren’t gone – they’re in Springfield.
Hudson Jackson
>Jon will be the ruler. No, it will be Bran. And it will be beautiful.
Martin is a huge Tolkien fan, idk why people keep spamming this quote as though this is him shitting on Tolkien
Chase Watson
Political machinations and mundane shit make ASOIAF interesting. Unlike the food descriptions they aren't just filler material that adds flavor and have impact on the story.
Isaac Flores
no, Tolkien was built off religious themes and stories way older than medieval taxes. He can be appreciated on multiple levels for both young and old, which is why his books will still be read in 50 years and GRRM will go the way of another interesting, but forgotten fantasy book series like Dragonlance.
Nicholas Wood
>What's his fucking problem?
Fat liberal degenerate.
Kevin Reed
At least Tolkein gave enough of a fuck to finish his own story lmao
Angel Garcia
literally nobody above the age of 18 cares about Tolkien and his autistic abomination have sex
Luis Barnes
>Tolkien was an incredibly meticulous writer, famously so, and Middle Earth is so consistent in it's lore and happenings that there's pretty much no plot holes in any of the books he put out >Muh tax policy!
Maybe Tokien didn't put emphasis on the tax policy because it's not important to the fucking world at play. This is a guy that wrote such a consistent world that we have details of entire areas that are barely touched upon in the books
Benjamin Williams
That's fascinating my dear boy, but pray tell, how would the ecology and environment influence each separate race?
Wasn't Turin famous during his time for his success in orc genocide?
Jaxson Baker
The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings are a mix of fairy tale/fable/adventure story against a background of not!mythical (early) medieval Europe. A Song of Ice and Fire is tragedy against a background of not!mythical (late) medieval Europe (and Africa/Middle East, I suppose).
>GRRM will go the way of another interesting, but forgotten fantasy book series like Dragonlance. Lel, you're deluded if you think that any retrospective of pop culture in the 2010s won't feature Game of Thrones front and center. It has shaped what current generations think of when they think of fantasy.
Dominic Richardson
This.
>GRRM The only things that exist are that which are plot critical >Tolkien Was autistic enough to make the world consistent not for the convenience of the plot
World-building is only really relevant if you want to create spin-off fiction or for role-playing games. And Tolkien's world-building isn't great for either.
Wyatt Hall
you forgot to mention all the child sex in A Song of Ice and Fire! Why did we never see how child sex worked in LOTR?
Matthew Martin
I do not understand what idea he is trying to get across here with this statement. If the king is a good man, why does the realm need to be worried about him imposing a ruinous tax policy? Or worry about the him not supporting the people in troubled times? I just don't understand what he is trying to say here, that everything is shit and it is pointless to have good rulers because bad things still happen anyway? What sort of retarded logic is that?
Jaxon Bailey
Except he still pretty much ignores all of that. In the books he throws it a bone once in a while, but we still have basically no clue what the average joe in Westeros is like, and how he's affected by all the shit going on around him.
Nicholas Scott
>regarding the show as anything more than bait for normies to start reading the books after the disappointment that D&D was I see you're one of them, user.
>World-building is only really relevant if you want to create spin-off fiction or for role-playing games. No, not at all. The world created must be internally consistent, if it feels like it exists solely for the plot at hand then it's shallow. >And Tolkien's world-building isn't great for either. Ah so you're retarded.
Dominic Moore
I was specially talking about the work, not the influence. Besides, i'd argue The Witcher (and even dragon age) has done more for pushing more of the gritty low fantasy genre more.
Aaron Foster
fpbp, as always
Zachary Gonzalez
Isn't like 1/3 of FFC dedicated to how the average joe was fucked over and doesn't care about the War of Five Kings and their dumb family drama
Connor Foster
Authors, across all genres, have been crafting sufficiently believable settings for their stories to play out in ever since.
>Ah so you're retarded. No, I have both played and run RPGs set in Middle-Earth. There's vast wilderness with nothing going on and only few big cities. And do we really want to see spin-off fiction set in Middle-Earth? I don't.
Benjamin Nguyen
What I said further above: the notion that you just need a good king and everything will be well is quaint and aimed at young readers. Aragorn might have been a good man but it's possible that he'd suck at being a king with all its political ramifications. Why should fantasy literature stay limited to that and not explore mythical medieval europe from a more adult angle?
Charles Walker
>A scale of twenty leagues
There's no way that's correct or Durin's Bridge alone would be over four miles.
Jaxon Butler
And be disappointed again when they learn the books are shit as well
Julian Baker
Quite right gentleman, but how does an Empire which relies on religious fanaticism retain its technological know-how?
>Very bright was that sword when it was made whole again; the light of the sun shone redly in it, and the light of the moon shone cold, and its edge was hard and keen. And Aragorn gave it a new name and called it Andúril, Flame of the West.
Aragorn neither followed correct probate procedure nor declared any valuable gifts against his IHT Allowance from his father's estate. Depending on ME's IHT legislation he may have commited tax fraud. Would you really want this criminal in executive power?
>aragorn makes distraction so Frodo can destroy ring and essentially kill Sauron, which makes all his armies fall into chaos, ending the threat to the main army
>jon makes a distraction so Danny (arya) can kill the NK, which makes all the zombies fall over dead and the main army is saved
Ironic how he shat on high-fantasy and his "climax" had more tropes and magic than Tolkien himself.
Aiden Hill
>Tolkien was too black and white, there needs to be a grey area >DUDE THE NIGHT KING IS BAD JUST TRUST ME ON THIS
GRRM is a hack
Ryder Wood
tune in for the companion series, a game of farms
Camden Ortiz
>"What was Tywin's tax policy?" >"Uhhhhhhhh prudent financial management and gold mines"
>criminal in executive power aren't they all? Isn't the very nature of holding absolute executive powers corrupt in that anything you do is considered "ok"?
>whom, as much as I admire him, I do quibble with. Is this, dare I say it, the "I have a rivalry with Orson Welles" of literature?
Blake Taylor
>What's his fucking problem? He's correct, tolkien had an absolutely shit understanding of history and it influences his writing so much
Charles Mitchell
Only the first episode of goblin faggot was any good
Michael Cooper
almost all media beyond the written word misrepresents lotr, i think intentionally
Charles Thompson
>filler lacking the interest or understanding to contextualize the significance of intersecting linguistic and culinary descriptions of cultures introduced throughout the series doesnt make them filler. it just revealse a cultural shift in your environments values
That's what I love about the cunts who try to criticize Tolkien for writing fantasy that isn't misery porn: he personally experienced the worst horrors of war and they didn't.
Lucas Young
Tom Shippey's presentation of on post wwi heroes in literature called something to the effect of 'zeitgeist of the age' and it gives some interesting context to this idea
Christian Gomez
R:R. Martin is a filthy degenerate and you ultra faggots have become so desensitized that only the next perversion is able to elicit an emotional response from you.
gentle reminder that catholicism lies at the root of the creation of universities
Zachary Robinson
It's heavily implied that the Orcs are twisted Elves and Men and that death for them delivers them to Mandos. (The last point is never stated, but there's strong support for it in the books). Killing an Orc is likely doing him a favour.
Daniel Ortiz
congrats, you're as annoying as twitter SJWs
Nolan Nguyen
First Seed Best Feed fsbf
William Baker
Tolkien is a jewish dicksucking faggot
Juan Adams
All but one of his friends died in that war. It's no wonder he started writing while recuperating in an army hospital. Anyone would want to escape from that shit.
Which makes him a hypocrite. Save the baby stories of evil dark lords and the heroes fighting a losing battle but eventually winning due to the power of friendshop, to the little children
Jace Anderson
>implying he wasn't redpilled as fuck, and actually had some tact unlike Adolf and his autistic descendants. >“The main mark of modern governments is that we do not know who governs, de facto any more than de jure. We see the politician and not his backer; still less the backer of the backer; or, what is most important of all, the banker of the backer.” >"The bigger things get the smaller and duller or flatter the globe gets. It is getting to be all one blasted little provincial suburb. When they have introduced American sanitation, morale-pep, feminism, and mass production throughout the Near East, Middle East, Far East, U.S.S.R., Hither Further and Inner Mumbo-land, Gondhwanaland, Lhasa, and the villages of darkest Berkshire, how happy we shall be. At any rate it ought to cut down on travel. There will be nowhere to go. So people will (I opine) go all the faster. >Collie Knox says 1/8 of the world’s population speaks ‘English’, and that is the biggest language group. If true, damn shame—say I. May the curse of Babel strike all their tongues till they can only say ‘baa baa’. It would mean much the same. I think I shall have to refuse to speak anything but Old Mercian"
Chase Cox
You seem to have a very tenuous grasp on the english language
He talks about bankers, bur where does he name the real culprit - the jew? Even leftists, unknowingly name the jew when they talk about capitalists. But do they really understand who id behind all of their ills when they spout these buzzwords? No.
Oliver Brooks
because "jews" are only half the problem you mouth breathing faggot
Nicholas Long
See You fucking idiot.
Jeremiah Perry
And what is the othef half, you autist? May I remind you that jews have been a united race of shekel grabbing, hook nosed, subversive rats since the early days of the Roman Empire? Hell, even earlier - since Cyrus.
Not to mention that Tolkien was a jewish cocksucker because that is what he was. He routinely praised the jews in his letters
Cameron Foster
This just shows how devoid you are from real-life connections.
Bentley Nguyen
The Night King isn't in the books.
Jose Campbell
>We look at real history and it’s not that simple.
The only real reason why it's not that simple is because usually, good kings don't exist. Authority is psychopathic by definition, because psychopaths are usually the only people who want it.
Austin Martinez
Now tell us how true anarchism has never been tried
Wyatt Russell
Hope this is bait There’s no “night king” or “ white walkers” in the books Only the Others
Anyone have the quote from Tolkein about how he started to write a Fourth Age novel that would be dark and a political thriller but decided against it because it was too boring?
Caleb Mitchell
>imagine being so fat you couldn't finish your own series
>Everything he said he hated, happened to his characters. ...in the show
Evan Rogers
He’s probably molested some kids or been molested himself.
You can just tell.
Camden Cox
No. It was dedicated to retarded new plot points like the Ironborn summit.
Nolan Lewis
>be me, George R R Martin >enjoying a small breakfast of thick sausages, griddle cakes drowned in buttery syrup, soft boiled eggs served over toasted bread and covered in a layer of cheese alongside a mountain of cinnamon rolls, oozing with sugary icing and washed down with pale ale. >interrupted by the chime of a video call from D&D >I ring the bell for my assistant, she wheels over a cart holding a glass fishbowl. Within are two goldfish I call David and Daniel >reaching a hand into the water, I finally manage to come up with David - wriggling manically - clutched in my grasp >I hold him tightly, watching with no small amount of amused arousal as David struggles to breathe, his tiny orange mouth gaping open and shut much in the way the David waiting for my return call was wont to look. I squeeze harder. >after a solid minute of depriving the thing of water, I finally release the battered fish. I feel ready to answer the call >Weiss and Benioff are in their office - an atrocious room - its walls covered in Star wars posters and feces, floors littered with scraps of paper and half eaten crayons >David is screaming into the microphone while Dan is hanging upside down on a bronze stripper pole >his shirt falls over his face. I cannot help but notice his nipples. Tiny things, angry red in color and surrounded by a grotesque cluster of thick, auburn hairs which jut out at odd angles >"ARYA KILL NIGHT KING GEORGEY" rouses me from my reverie. >"No, no, remember the line? Spring melts the snow to reveal her holding needle? That's foreshadowing, David, we talked about this. She's to die in battle wi-" >David interrupts me, screeching, slamming his palms onto the crusty table. >"ARYA AND GENNY MAKE BAD POOSIE GEORGEY" >Dan falls from the pole, screaming and beating his chest. They frantically begin writing, yelling over one another and forgetting my existence. >I hang up, bring a cinnamon roll to my waiting lips and ring for my assistant to bring me the fishbowl
I saw GRRM at a grocery store in Los Angeles yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything.
He said, “If we were in the middle ages and I was a nobleman I could just rape you right now.”
I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Monster energy drinks in his hands without paying.
The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept trying to distract her by arguing about tax policy, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.
When she took one of the cans and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her that in the middle ages she'd definitely be raped all the time, and then turned around and winked at me. After she scanned each can and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by shitting himself.
Adrian Adams
nothing wrong with genocide when it comes to orcs and trolls and other foul creatures
Cooper Gray
based pasta poster
Joseph Richardson
>Others are bad because they are bad They're shit in the novels, too. Tolkien's explanation about orks being corruptions of Melkor sounds like Summa Theologica compared to GRRM's caricatural, one dimensional and cartoonish portrayal of Others, who are spooky and evil for the purpose of being spooky and evil.
Jordan Hughes
>GOOD VS EVIL GOOD >GREY CHARACTERS BAD >IDEALISM GOOD >REALISM BAD
>Even the little baby orcs, in their little orc cradles?
it would do that fat git a good service if he were to READ THE BOOKS. fuck
Carson Evans
At least Tolkien finished his books. Fucking GRRM
Lincoln Gray
absolutely based
Austin King
The character of Aragorn reflects one of the aspects of the Christ-archetype (the others being Gandalf, and the Frodo/Sam dyad). Aragorn is the Christ-as-king element, he brings hope to despairing people and groups of people, one of his Elvish names 'Estel' simply meaning 'hope'. He literally descends underground to the land of the dead to redeem the souls of past generations of sinful men. He then emerges in triumph and spreads this triumph to those who themselves are also struggling against darkness. He then goes around the city healing the sick and thus fulfilling the historical myths of the local people, confirming himself as king by establishing himself atop the spiritual heirarchy. THIS is the level on which our lad Tolks was operating. Rings is a deeply religious work, a meditation on the conflict between hope and despair in the face of horror and death which takes place in the heart of man, and the resulting spiritual transformations which occur. To refer to 'tax policy' of all things is to completely miss the fucking point by a very wide margin. Grrm is the absolute pinnacle of uncultured American genetic trash who really needs to appreciate how lucky he got and then shut the fuck up. >Inb4 lotr isn't an allegory. Yes, I know. It's MYTHOLOGY. The whole saga is utterly replete with archetypal religious symbolism.
Are you actually trying to imply that muh grey morality isnt the more NPC view now?
Carson Kelly
>"I did begin a story placed about 100 years after the Downfall, but it proved both sinister and depressing. Since we are dealing with Men, it is inevitable that we should be concerned with the most regrettable feature of their nature: their quick satiety with good. So that the people of Gondor in times of peace, justice and prosperity, would become discontented and restless — while the dynasts descended from Aragorn would become just kings and governors — like Denethor or worse. I found that even so early there was an outcrop of revolutionary plots, about a centre of secret Satanistic religion; while Gondorian boys were playing at being Orcs and going around doing damage. I could have written a 'thriller' about the plot and its discovery and overthrow — but it would have been just that. Not worth doing."
Tolkien thought about writing ASOIAF but decided not to, because it sucks
>the human condition triggers Tolkien This explains a lot.
David Hill
>Also why no repercussions for Arya killing an entire house? Probably because she didn't announce it on insta with a vertically shot video.
Cameron Richardson
kys postmodernist
Kayden Thomas
>Lord of the Rings had a very medieval philosophy: that if the king was a good man, the land would prosper. This is literally 100% true though, George is a dumbass
Chase Long
>Miura actually taxposting in the lastest Berserk chapter
Tyler Morris
Jews are behind a lot of good things in addition to the bad.
Isaiah Cox
>'George RR Martin avoided being burned alive by avoiding fire, while JRR Tolkien jumped head first into it covered in oil because it was his 'duty'' Wow! GRRM is such a coward! xD
>Not worth doing." Their philosophies might be different but he's not wrong here. Look at this shit show.8 years of build up for payoff is blue balled for the sake of a jolt to the brain. Oh wait.. that was D&D not GRRM.
he finished the hobbit and lotr, he did not finish anything else, his idiot son had to throw all his half finished scattered notes together. he considered the silmarillion his lifes greatest work and he didn't even finish it lol
Julian Sanders
GRRM finished nothing and will be remembered for finishing nothing
Ryder Evans
and tolkien will be remembered for writing an entire story that could be solved with eagles
Ayden Johnson
>Being such a brainlet that you actually buy into the eagle shitposting
James Morales
its presentation is retarded but the poster speaks the truth, read Novalis
he has been remembered as the person who created the fantasy genre as we know it
Jack Rodriguez
and chuck berry is remembered as the person who created rock and roll. who gives a fuck?
Jose Allen
kreia is reddit as fuck
Christopher Hall
the people who care about seeing those works completed. if you are a fan of GRRM's works you should be offended at his tardiness. Tolkien completed and published a work a thousand times as complex and original in less than half the time.
Samuel Evans
shit, is that asimov? Dude was dapper as fuck.
Luke Rogers
i'm not a fan of either of them, they're both garbage, tolkien fanatics are just far more annoying than grrm losers. every single tolkien thread is filled with the same canned responses >he was a professor! >he created modern fantasy! >he was a linguist! >he was in ww1!
if you find something profound in that lame ass basic story i dont know what to tell you other than grow up
Elijah Nelson
sure, you dont care about either of them, you are bulletproof, thats why you're here right now, talking about them, to me
Nolan Sullivan
yea i dont, im just here to laugh at you because i find it amusing
Brayden Wilson
you're having a great time
Robert King
i am, does baby want baabaa?
Cooper Jackson
shut that soft ass shit up
Aaron Bailey
I find this quote ironic since the show has completely ignored the massive famine that should be happening in Westeros for the last season and a half
Jacob Anderson
>The only things that exist are that which are plot critical This, Western Essos is a great example, there are free cities (plot-relevant), but everything between them is just wasteland.
The long night was one night. What famine? All the horrors of the white walkers we heard about in the first few minutes of episode 1 season 1 including the lord's freezing in their castles none of that shit happened why the fuck would famine?
literally all medieval wars created famines you fuckstick
Andrew Flores
>Was autistic enough to make the world consistent not for the convenience of the plot the eagles are very consistent arent they?
Jordan Moore
subtlety and nuance you fucking poltard. You can't call out the strongest and most organized force that controls the financial system, banks, the media, and even murderers (MOSSAD) by calling them out directly without getting branded as an autistic stormfront pol faggot like you or getting your career destroyed/suicided
Martin can't build worlds, he can only write characters. He isn't even a good fit for the fantasy genre.
Easton Ramirez
no, people of good heart can be untalented at any given thing
Christopher Richardson
>grow up How old are you
Nathaniel Ward
yea what martin really needs is a bunch of faggy elves living in the woods, thats some top tier world building lmao
Jonathan Lee
Oh you want to split hairs? Alright, let's play. >has completely ignored the massive famine Sansa made it a point of contention directly challenging Dany in episode one discussing how they were going to feed Dorthraki, thedickless, and two big ass dragons. So would you like me to grab you a dictionary so we can look up what the word completely means?
Carson Carter
old enough to realize being obsessed with fantasy is extremely childish, sweetie
Jonathan Diaz
The only castles Martin put in his books were White Castle
Matthew Murphy
Ntohing then, I got baited I guess
Nathan Long
based
Jaxon Edwards
World war one and two were far more pointless.
Tyler Smith
what martin really needs is a talking dragon that lives in a mountain that hoards treasure, thats some adult shit right there bro HAHAHA
Thomas Adams
the irony is he really doesnt address anything he complains about in his own books.
Dylan Rodriguez
kinda depressing that gondor was going to shit only a century after aragorn became king
Hunter Ross
Have you not read the books?
Oliver Scott
That would make his books tolerable I suppose
Nolan Lewis
i dont know how to read. but no im shitposting and his prose is god awful
Noah Hernandez
Sothoryos men are described as brindle-skinned half-men by Daenerys Targaryen.[8] Their brindled skin is thick, often in patterns of brown and white. They are big-boned and massively muscled, with long arms, sloped foreheads, huge square teeth, heavy jaws and coarse black hair. Their broad, flat noses suggest snouts. Sothoryi women are said to be unable to breed with men from Essos or Westeros, only bringing forth stillbirths or malformed offspring.[7]
Christopher Jenkins
When are you going to stop replying to every post, thinking you're being clever. Why so mad?
Ryan Jenkins
Worked in The Witcher .
Ryder Carter
what martin really needs is >Hey dol! merry dol! ring a dong dillo! >Ring a dong! hop along! fal lal the willow! >Tom Bom, jolly Tom, Tom Bombadillo!
Jack Peterson
GRRM won't even be able to finish his books because there is no satisfying ending.
Kayden Adams
GRRM will go to his grave knowing that his opus will be completed by two moron TV writers and not him, when he releases the books, if, no one will care. The story has already been finished.
Asher King
Stay mad then
Joshua Bennett
1500 pages of GRRM is about to prove you oh so wrong. Oh it will be trash and my face will be beet red. At least if I am right there will be a good story in it for us, no?
Ryder Robinson
Why are GOTlets so insecure and easily upset if they're so absolutely certain of Martin's superiority over Tolkien? Shoildn't it be a mere childsplay to dismiss the criticism towards Germ?
The political ramifications of being a king really only exist when there's an actual political landscape. By the time Aragorn gets crowned the only other kingdom that exists is Rohan and he's bffs with its king. Compare that to the average medieval kingdom where the king would have to deal with counts, barons, nobles, other kingdoms, feudal customs, miscellaneous groups like crusader orders, the church, etc. And even then, that a king was good with political affairs didn't necessarily mean that the people were at peace or happy, it was often quite the contrary. Really a bad king was only one that was weak of mind and will
Easton Torres
It's funny to mock the fat loser that's why.
Luis James
>normies >read
Henry Jenkins
tolkien is on the list of best selling authors of all time and grrm didnt even make the cut.
Christopher Peterson
Absolute assmad zoomer faggot RING A DONG DILDO YOU MERRY FAGGOT
That's because Westeros is literally the clown world variant of middle earth. Gurm WANTS Tolkien's ideals to triumph, he WANTS to believe that if the king is good enough, everything will fall into place. ASOIAF is his attempt at recreating Tolkien's story arch with enough realism, brutality and nihilism to make it seem possible. If you read the books, you get this impression immediately with Jon.
Angel Adams
Goblin Slayer is shit.
Luis Price
>ASOIAF is his attempt at recreating Tolkien's story arch with enough realism, brutality and nihilism to make it seem possible. >IT'S BAD ON PURPOSE!
more canned responses. garth brooks is one of the best selling musicians in history, holy crap that must mean he's amazing. do i really need to keep doing this?
Thomas Campbell
>What was Aragorn’s tax policy? i know all the memes and shit but i still cant believe he said this. this is a pasta isnt it?
I guess other kids didn't even need to beat you so that you give them your lunch money in the school.
Josiah Reed
>ASOIAF is his attempt at recreating Tolkien's story arch with enough realism, brutality and nihilism to make it seem possible. No, it's not.
Joshua Young
>guise im telling you my author is better! you have to believe me >ok fine his prose is objectively worse >ok fine he made far less money >ok fine he ripped off tolkien >ok fine hes a fat pedophile >but really believe me when i say hes better
James Lopez
No, mongo. What Tolkien wrote was an epic. That post-modern bullshit has no place in his work.
Carson Rivera
I'm not sure. Certainly there is Moralfag Martin behind a lot of the writing. But it is equally certain that he's struggling with Ramsay Martin, who clearly enjoys seeing his characters suffer and grossing out readers. It may be that the books stopped coming exactly because their conflict became irreconcilable, one has to give in - the story is at the point where Martin HAS to start writing main climbing up from the pit he threw them into to assume their roles of saviors of the world, or go full grimderp Abercrombie-style.
Brandon Smith
>>ok fine he ripped off tolkien you mean the things tolkien ripped off from folklore and mythology?
Ian Torres
>tolkienfags post "ruling is hard" pasta almost everyday If you tolkienfags are such chads then why are Martin's words bothering you so much? One would think nobody would give a fuck about Martin's opinion on Tolkien if he was such a worthless, talentless writer.
Alexander Fisher
he didn't rip off Tolkien, he basically aped his entire story off the Accursed Kings series
Camden Gonzalez
>What Tolkien wrote was an epic. more like a fable, lel
Christopher Powell
>What Tolkien wrote was an epic yea, if youre a child. do you want to slay the dragon too, bucko?
William Morgan
This, so much this! My only regret is I have but one upvote to give you.
Juan Jackson
Tolkien was a professor at an university and created a whole language, mythology and two fantasy defining books as hobby.
Brayden Carter
>he was a professor! >he created modern fantasy! >he was a linguist! >he was in ww1!
Nah he wrote Wagner fanfiction, lotr is nothing like any of the actual epics
Ayden Sullivan
All true, can you argue against any of that?
Dominic Johnson
What I posted: >was an epic What people read: >was epic
Epic as in the genre. Are you guys American?
Brayden Turner
HE BROKE NEW GROUND
Hudson Campbell
"In August 1914, Britain entered the First World War. Tolkien's relatives were shocked when he elected not to immediately volunteer for the British Army. In a 1941 letter to his son Michael, Tolkien recalled: "In those days chaps joined up, or were scorned publicly. It was a nasty cleft to be in for a young man with too much imagination and little physical courage."[43]
Instead, Tolkien, "endured the obloquy",[43] and entered a programme by which he delayed enlistment until completing his degree. By the time he passed his finals in July 1915, Tolkien recalled that the hints were "becoming outspoken from relatives".[43] He was commissioned as a temporary second lieutenant in the Lancashire Fusiliers on 15 July 1915."
He certainly procrastinated long enough about it. And went straight to officer training, because he had gone to university and studied the classics.
Benjamin Hall
>ok fine he ripped off tolkien What the actual fuck are you talking about ASoIaF is one of the fucking main series from a movement within fantasy which explicitly moved away from using Tolkien as an inspiration
Henry Long
>if I greentext his point and put a wojak next to it I win! GRRMfags everyone
He did something better: He created a high-demand product and his death will make him remembered forever as the guy who grinned and told his fans to eat it. Epic trolling, gents.
Owen Hughes
Brown hands typed this post
Leo Bailey
>tfw you realize all of ASOIAF is just Martin's way of getting to put his favorite creation into another book.
in his defense, he kinda was the first one to think of a dragon that breathed cold instead of fire
Mason Carter
Probably captured the essence of it there, yeah.
Oliver Gomez
are you a child? can you grow up?
Christian Edwards
>he basically aped his entire story off the Accursed Kings series
Not really. If I have to name books which Martin plagiarised most directly, that would be the Last Valois trilogy of Alexandre Dumas (accidentally also unfinished). Most of Cersei's characters and for that matter Tywin's as well, the plot surrounding Ned Stark's downfall, Red Wedding are lifted directly from there. From the Accursed Kings he mostly tried to borrow the general atmosphere of oppressive tragedy, and IMO mostly failed due to lack of literary talent.
Parker Davis
um no sweaty. everything martin has done has been ripped off of actual D&D
>who are spooky and evil for the purpose of being spooky and evil We aren't TOLD anything about the Others, except by the various POV-characters. It could be they aren't any more inherently evil than white blood cells are to diseases.
Connor Bailey
this. GRRM just writes D&D fanfic. its painfully obvious.
Ethan Baker
>I found that even so early there was an outcrop of revolutionary plots, about a centre of secret Satanistic religion
Makes you go hmmmmmm...
Nolan Barnes
>the endless stair is over a hundred leagues away when following the abyss >Gandalf kicked the Balrog's ass all the way there, all the way up it and then booted him off the mountain. What an absolute trooper. No wonder he died of exhaustion
Sebastian Peterson
The Lord of the Rings is generally considered to be one of the few pieces of fantasy fiction with genuine literary value and you're not impressing anyone by acting like you're above it. Also you're telling people to grow up whilst posting in a GoT thread on a Vietnamese fly fishing blogspot.
Wyatt Lee
Is was established that the races of men were capable of shooting down eagles in the hobbit. This shows anyone with a triple digit iq that the orcs would be able shoot down the eagles, not even mentioning the various races of man who would shoot at the eagles on sight
Dylan Thompson
Holy fuck you fucking destroyed him there user
Brody Green
you didn't read asoiaf and it's obvious. the others are in like 2 scenes in the entire series, we know nothing about them other than they create zombies and dragonglass kills them. orcs and goblins are bad because they're bad and that's about it. wow bro theyre corruptions, that is SO incredibly deep and epic
Ayden Martin
Martin ripped off Tolkien so hard he even stole the two(2) R.'s in his name.
Noah Jones
Absolutely fucking based Tolkien. Has GRRM ever responded to this?
Angel Long
>complains about realism >his books are actually more unrealistic and more deliberately vague in terms of policy and descriptions of various locales, peoples, cultures, and languages than Lord of the Rings How can one man be so retarded?
Jack Jenkins
oh look, another canned response. its amusing watching you idiots use the same 5 or 6 talking points over and over. that says more about fantasy as a whole rather than lotr lol, its lame as fuck and you're pathetic
Cameron Jackson
that wasnt the case 20 years ago. GRRM will be judged 50 years down the line as well
Christopher Ross
>lotr is more realistic than asoiaf the absolute state of obsessed tolkien losers LOL
Ian Moore
Yeah because you just calling people idiots is a much more poignant and unique thing to post. Truly you have established yourself as the greatest most original thinker on this or any other board. Agreed, time vindicates a lot of this stuff. Fantasy is pretty analogous to mythology.
Gabriel Edwards
BUT HE WAS IN WORLD WAR ONE!!!!!!!!
Jason Rogers
>There's vast wilderness with nothing going on So you're a shit gm that don't know tolkien much and rather wanna play dnd? Tolkien loved having his characters being in the wilderness and having their adventures there.
Owen Rodriguez
How do you think he will fare?
Jack Rodriguez
the lotr movies that you probably seethe and hate will be remembered in 50 years, not the books, and you're an idiot if you think otherwise.
Gabriel Green
Are you having a stroke? Or are allcaps non sequiturs your best attempt at making a point?
Eli Parker
BUT HE MADE HIS OWN LANGUAGE
Joseph Allen
FPBP
Cooper Powell
Oh right, you're tilting at windmills.
Carter Ramirez
BUT HE CREATED MODERN FANTASY
Wyatt Powell
>asoiaf has mystical, unexplained ice zombies that are only weak to a certain weapon forged with components from a magical flying lizard >the entirety of the motivations of the iron bank >the secretive group of super assassins that people know exist but somehow don't get employed >the ability to completely change your face and presence >people coming back from the dead >fire witches >unexplained powers supposedly derived from gods who are also unexplained
LotR is a lot more grounded, because there are actually in-setting explanations for everything that goes on.
Benjamin Ross
Writing aside, I really think Martin's actual fantasy is just vanilla at most at times flat out bad. He uses S U B V E R S I O N and ott gore to distinguish his fantasy but that does not mean its better. The Faceless Men, the Red Priests, The Paladins, dragons, the hive mind race of zombies etc.. they are all just hamfisted and unoriginal. I really do not get his appeal to some as a great writer. Its fun schlock that translated pretty well into some flashy television. but get real, the guy is so overrated.
Logan Cooper
>my fantasyshit with magical zombies and gay buttsex is better than your fantasyshit with orcs and elves Okay pal.
This. This fat hairy neckbeard fuck had to watch his characters and his story be ruined in front of his eyes to suit the lowest common denominator of viewer. Meanwhile, if Tolkien had been alive to see the film adaptation of his novels, I have no doubt he'd be impressed with the attentiveness to world building and how true to form his characters were retained. I'm willing to bet he wouldn't even take much issue with the liberties Peter Jackson took with the story, just because of how big and beautiful the end product manifested.
Julian Clark
you're seriously fucking retarded, neither one of them are grounded you stupid fuck >>asoiaf has mystical, unexplained ice zombies that are only weak to a certain weapon forged with components from a magical flying lizard and lotr has balrogs...and dark lords....and giant spiders.... and nazgul....and fellbeasts. but oh no its only stupid if you need a special weapon to kill them. lmao what a fucking faggot >>the entirety of the motivations of the iron bank their motivations are not fully explained in the books, no clue what you're talking about >>the secretive group of super assassins that people know exist but somehow don't get employed they do get employed, have you even read the books? im guessing you havent >>the ability to completely change your face and presence you mean like how sauron can change his appearance? >>people coming back from the dead you mean like the deus ex ghosts in rotk? >>fire witches ....wizards >>unexplained powers supposedly derived from gods who are also unexplained you mean like how the gods aren't explained in lotr and you have to read a different book to understand them? fuck off, idiot
you're unbelievably stupid
Lucas Williams
He never says that in the video.
Liam Carter
>muh strawman
Gavin Phillips
the original run of berserk had better lore than all of asoiaf
Josiah Scott
He considered the idea but dropped it. Ergo it did not happen.
Alexander Brown
I genuinely hate when people talk exactly like they try to write
Jacob Clark
>and lotr has balrogs...and dark lords....and giant spiders.... and nazgul....and fellbeasts. And..? >you mean like how sauron can change his appearance? Well, he kind of fallen angel. And just like Melkor he lost this ability. >....wizards Literally restricted by the Valars.
Ryan Richardson
>""""""based"""""" on the War of the Roses, pretty much gives up on it halfway through >almost no other races besides human >still dragons somehow tho >mythology/religion barely explored >incohesive clusterfuck of a story
Juan Anderson
>millennials >having any culture that lasts more than two years and isn’t solely dictated on whatever the streamers are doing nowadays Nah
Hudson Sullivan
>genuine literary value What the fuck could this phrase encapsulate that isn't pretentious drivel aimed to establish ambiguous superiority?
Nolan Powell
movie?
Oliver Rodriguez
so..this is where the meme came from
Luke Flores
Well I think it's worth having some kind of distinction between works which are shitty and forgettable, or poorly written, or have nothing to say, or barely make sense from those which you might want to put some time into. Reading to feel superior to people is stupid because people aren't impressed by it.
Xavier Walker
is he on the phone or talking in person with them
Christian Nguyen
>expecting logic from fedoras
Andrew Young
Scream 4
Ayden Baker
If that's the case then the term "genuine literal value" becomes nonsense when placed back in the context of the message. Especially, the passage "one of the few pieces of fantasy fiction." If you're using the term as a metric then each and every piece of literature is a genuine piece of literal value. All of them have a value, a negative value is still a value. For you to attribute "shitty and forgettable" to a piece you had to evaluate it to assign it a value. > Reading to feel superior to people is stupid because people aren't impressed by it. Right, but that's not what happened. You didn't flex the fact that you read you flexed the fact that you had knowledge of "genuine literal value" which implied you had the ultimate litmus test of genuine literature, which means nothing because all the implications of superior and lasting merit are already built into the word literature.
Zachary Diaz
that brekfiss sounds delicious desu
David Hall
Okay, fair enough. I was responding to a guy who was flexing over not liking LotR though and I wasn't trying to make any kind of major point about the standards of literary academia and how certain texts are selected.
Ayden Butler
Cheers. I was more confused than roasting you.
Luke Gutierrez
>writes 6 books without ever discussing tax policies
Aaron Ross
GoT sets up an interesting period in a grounded setting; all the houses united against a common enemy (that was man and man made) but after overcoming the problem they've ve become complacant, scheming, disloyal etc over time. the world is a horrible place because they've never had their equivelant of the christian revolt of slave morality, so it's a permanent medieval hellscape entering into it's worst possible time. this is good enough as a story on its own but then he adds war winning dragons and all this dumb fantasy shit which trivialises the well established human elements. robert baratheon going from a hero to a drunken retard in a way that mirrors the decline of the realm is great but it feels borderline irrelevant in a world with a zombie army that's going to kill everyone. it just doesn't really justify the fantasy stuff imo and would be better without it
think about lord of the rings without gandalf and the elves, or even just the exagerated "good" characters afforded by the fantasy setting. it would absolutely suck. now imagine game of thrones without dragons. it would pretty much be the same show but without gay nerd shit
Chase Myers
the whole "everything is irrelevant because of the zombie army" thing was kind of the point though until Dabid totally fucked it. the spirit of pre dnd fan fic got wouldve had the possibility of an outcome where the white walkers either win or at least devastate the realm leaving nothing worth ruling
Grayson Morris
Why would he suck? He was raised for leadership, trained to lead and fought a war as a leader of men. The idea that he can't be a good man and a capable leader is stupid.
Camden Johnson
What I don't understand is if D&D decided on Arya 4 years ago as they claimed why did they keep building Jon's arc right up to the point where it no longer mattered? Build an interesting story around Arya, I don't care. Make it matter to the character and to me.
Parker Ward
Tolkien not only derided that kind of horseshit as a banal thriller he stopped writing after one page after thinking about it and is clearly working within the mythological but more importantly GRRM doesn't do any of that shit either. The closest he ever gets to dealing with taxes and grain is throwaway mentioning it inbetween the texts on diarrhea and never dealing with it in the context of the wars.
There are chink webauthors who are unironically millions of times better than GRRM at writing about the realities of war and leadership.
Elijah Johnson
>capeshitter forgets people can backtrace his images the absolute state
Matthew Mitchell
Based GRRM
Isaac Ward
because le subversion. They simply failed to grasp that a subversion done right will have you watching/reading the work again with it in mind, and from there you'll connect the dots you originally missed. An example being Ned or Robb's mistakes that lead to their deaths. D&D have fucked it up so massively that they did the precise opposite, and people rewatching will simply give up when they remember how ultimately pointless it is. As much shit as Martin gets for helping bring subversion into popularity again, I do at least credit him for grasping how to pull it off.
Brody Watson
>gives the world's largest child porn collection to his son in his will.
Lucas Nguyen
We should count ourselves lucky. Cuck's chase this feeling, we get it for free. Fucking so much elegant set up squandered on a behind the ear slight of hand. Yes David, there is a quarter behind my ear. Well done.
